Adepta Sororitas, Sisters of Battle Rumours

[Harley]

Old 2014 Rumors (over 6+ months old)
Warning: this post contains conjecture, please take with a grain (pile) of salt

Recently, as of the summer of 2014, the Games Workshop webstore has eliminated a relatively large number of models from the Sisters of Battle range. These models were first labelled as "No Longer Available" but have since been completely removed from the store altogether.
Update 6/28/2014: As of approximately this time these models/units have been completely removed from the webstore *Amended as of 7/2/2014



-Celestian Squad (As of 7/2/2014 has been added back to the store)
-Adepta Sororitas Command Squad (As of 7/2/2014 has been added back to the store)
-Retributor Squad
-Seraphim Squad
-Adepta Sororitas Dominion Squad
-Seraphim 2
-Superior with Power Maul
-Superior with Chainsword and Bolt Pistol(As of 7/2/2014 has been added back to the store but is marked No Longer Available)
-Missionary with Plasma Gun
-(Celestian) Superior with Chainsword and Plasma Pistol
-Battle Sister with Flamer 1(As of 7/2/2014 has been added back to the store)
-Battle Sister with Meltagun 1
-Seraphim Superior with Power Sword (with helmet)

THIS (http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/index.php/Sisters_of_Battle_-_Collectors_Guide) website has a good complete list of the original models released for the SoB to give an idea of what has been discontinued over the years.

It's worth noting that all of these models have a basic variant which is still available, so it is possible to still create for example a squad of Seraphim, albeit to do so you must now buy single units, one at a time, and with the exception of special weapons, the entire squad will be the same cloned model. This means that the vast majority of Sororitas models have been reduced a single variant/model.

This correlates, as has been rumored, that Games Workshop has vastly minimized their metal casting capabilities and is eliminating scores of models from production.

Hopefully it indicates that plastic Adepta Sororitas models will soon be released since this stands as a staggering reduction in the production of this army. Keep the faith

Update 6/30/2014: From DeSteele


Reply that I received today from Black Library to my query of if/when the SoB codex was going to be updated to 7th.


Hi Phil,


Thank you for your email. Codex: Adepta Sororitas will be updated by the end of this week.


Many thanks,

And no, not updated at the time I wrote this email. :)
http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Codex-Adepta-Sororitas.html
Latest Update:
Update 7/1/2014: Black Library page (http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Codex-Adepta-Sororitas.html) states the Sororitas dex has been updated:
June 30th 2014 - Updated for new edition of Warhammer 40,000
Only noticeable update at this time seems to be removal of allies chart for reference to new 7th edition chart in core book *unverified*

Update 7/2/2014
In another one of Games Workshop's truly plot twisting actions, some of these models and squads have been added back to the store but are sometimes labelled as NLA or out of stock.


Celestian Squad
Adepta Sororitas Command Squad
Battle sister with flamer 1
Superior with Chainsword and Bolt Pistol (NLA)

Sororitas Forum Roundup 1-7-2015

From Bolter and Chainsword:

Ishagu[/B]"]A Hardback Sororitas Codex with plastic kits. I was told something similar by someone in the know not long ago. It could be true...

From Warseer:

Sephillion[/B]"]I’ve heard more credible things about Sisters being later (next year), and the fact that they would redo Dark Angels, CSM and Daemons so soon… instead of redoing the problem Codices… seems like whoever wrote this just assumed GW would follow the same order.


Via Steve the Warboss 1-11-2015

Regarding Sororitas Codex

After the featuring in the Shields of Baal Campaign i think its possible for a near Sororitas release. The Codex is complete and can be released every time. More rumors do not exist at the moment.

via Heresy Online's Zion (http://www.heresy-online.net/forums/showthread.php?t=177546) 1-16-2015

Regarding Sisters of Battle

From a little Ripper Swarm to me:
The Codex is done, the models are in production, and it's nebulously a Q2 release. It's the Dark Eldar treatment-- rebuilt the range from the ground up, completely.

via the birds in the trees 2-10-2015


Warhammer 40,000 Summer Campaign this year:

Sororitas and Space marines are the Imperial side

Tzeentch is the focus of the antagonists with multiple new kits:

- Plastic Lord of Change

- New Tzeentch Daemon unit

- New Tzeentch CSM unit (perhaps new plastic Thousand Sons - Rubric Marines)

Look for this campaign on the far side of WFB 9th which is occurring earlier in the year.

These rumors are rated: above average, coming from known sources

via Birds in the Trees 3-15-2015


Sororitas Rundown:

- R&D on the entire line is complete, and the range is all new in plastic.
- 5-model combo-unit Sisters infantry kit
- 3 model Sisters unit on 50mm bases kit
- 5 model Sisters unit on 32mm bases kit (different from the infantry unit listed above)
- Sororitas combo unit vehicle kit "A" kit
- Sororitas combo unit vehicle kit "B" kit
- Sororitas Walker/Monstrous Creature vehicle kit
- 3 clampack Sororitas characters

These are on ice and only await release scheduling by GW.

These rumors are rated: PROBABLE coming from known reliable sources.

[euansmith]

I hope your faith is rewarded. All the best.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

I'm not sure if it means anything, but I sincerely hope it does. At this point, I think it would be amazing if they got Tempestus level support with only 1 or 2 kits.I'll get my pet Tarantula to cross all 8 of her legs in the hope Sisters players get the huge plasticy update they so deserve.

[MajorWesJanson]

I'm not sure if it means anything, but I sincerely hope it does. At this point, I think it would be amazing if they got Tempestus level support with only 1 or 2 kits.I'll get my pet Tarantula to cross all 8 of her legs in the hope Sisters players get the huge plasticy update they so deserve.

Grey Knights got a major revamp with a mere 4 plastic kits...

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Grey Knights got a major revamp with a mere 4 plastic kits...

Yes and I proclaim the same can easily be done for sisters - you can put 5 of their units in one plastic kit, like the "Grey knights PA" kit. I think those units should be visually more distinct personally, but whatever.

[BrianDavion]

I'd kill for a proper sisters update, I'd proably make em my primary army

[Mr Mystery]

Yes and I proclaim the same can easily be done for sisters - you can put 5 of their units in one plastic kit, like the "Grey knights PA" kit. I think those units should be visually more distinct personally, but whatever.

Yup. Though for distinction between units, you really just need different heads.

Bare, Helmeted, Helmeted with symbol thingy.

[Sister Rosette Soulknyt]

at best you can combine Dominion/Retributors together for one box. Celestiens and a Command squad together, and a box for just Battle sisters.
Doubt one box fixes all would be worth the investment.
I can fortell a few more units coming out yet to fill roles that are not available as of yet.

[Mr Mystery]

Done in the manner of Space Marines, they'd only need a single body sprue. Other weapon loadouts can be done with additional, usually singular sprues. Probably.

[Harley]

Done in the manner of Space Marines, they'd only need a single body sprue. Other weapon loadouts can be done with additional, usually singular sprues. Probably.

Pretty much this. Although I think a troop box should have 2 specials of each kind since they can be ran that way. So it would look like 5 sister legs and torsos, 10 heads, fancy bits, 10 arms, 1 bit to distinguish superiors, 2 flamers, 2 meltas, 1 heavy bolter, 1 multi melta, 2 storm bolters, 5 bolters, 1-3 ccws.

That seems reasonable to me.

Celestian/commands squad could be the same thing but with 5 baroque ccws, armor, fluer de lis helmets, and a few more upgrades. Toss in jump packs and it doubles as Seraphim. There is not a need for a specific Dominion or Retributors box. Just buy single heavy bolters etc as they are very common.

[DrBored]

It's worth noting here, as I had this trouble a while ago, that most of the kits that are unavailable are due to one specific model being unavailable out of each of those kits, like the Sister with Power Maul being unavailable and therefore making the Retributor Squad as a whole unavailable, even though the rest of the individual models for the Retributor Squad are still available.

So the list is really only about 6 or 7 models that are no longer available.

HOWEVER.

A month ago when I checked, there were only 2 models that were set to 'No Longer Available'. So, now that there are like 7 that are No Longer Available, that's really a step up. Most of them are character models, it looks like, so the pickings are getting slim, fast...

That's a good sign.

[DeSteele]

Looks like they have solved the "No longer Available" items for SoB by removing them from the website. Now down to 30 entries on the UK Site and 33 on the US.
On the UK site the order of models has also been reorganised.

[Harley]

Good catch DeSteele. I still want to make a comprehensive list of Sob models which have been discontinued.

I am frightened to think of the skyrocketing prices on all these OOP models on eBay.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I want to see chicks in Terminator Armour... O_O

[DeSteele]

Reply that I received today from Black Library to my query of if/when the SoB codex was going to be updated to 7th.


Hi Phil,


Thank you for your email. Codex: Adepta Sororitas will be updated by the end of this week.


Many thanks,
And no, not updated at the time I wrote this email. :)
http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Codex-Adepta-Sororitas.html

[Harley]

*scratches head*

I'm confused on what they mean by "updated". Since most special rules refer back to the core rulebook and there isn't any content dealing with the new psychic phase, what needs to be updated?

[StraightSilver]

Anybody else think it's a bit weird that SoB have been getting a tiny bit of White Dwarf attention in the last couple of issues (one of the WD team is building an army) but you can't buy most of the models....

[Harley]

I agree it's strange but GW has done stranger things before such as the nearly 2 year long period where their entire codex was OOP and not available in any format from Games Workshop.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

I wonder if a "7th ed" update will just remove entries of models that are now gone...would like to be optimistic for Sororitas players but...

[DrBored]

I wonder if a "7th ed" update will just remove entries of models that are now gone...would like to be optimistic for Sororitas players but...

That'd be fully and incredibly ironic.

Here's hoping that it all points towards new SoB.

I mean, the digital codex was a top-seller, over all other digital codices from GW.

[Harley]

That'd be fully and incredibly ironic.

Here's hoping that it all points towards new SoB.

I mean, the digital codex was a top-seller, over all other digital codices from GW.

and astoundingly dreadful... but unfortunately plausible. Maybe they will be releasing it in a physical format?

How can you tell if it's a top-seller?

[DrBored]

and astoundingly dreadful... but unfortunately plausible. Maybe they will be releasing it in a physical format?

How can you tell if it's a top-seller?

Someone somewhere posted a screenshot of it a couple weeks ago. I'll see if I can find it...

[DeSteele]

Someone somewhere posted a screenshot of it a couple weeks ago. I'll see if I can find it...
Saw it on a dakkadakka thread re Adepta Sororitas kits going missing.

It was a screen print by Troike on the 29th May at 13:33
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/597550.page
Best seller on German iBooks

Additional comments a bit lower in the thread


the_Armyman wrote:
It got to the best sellers list in Germany. How hard is that to do? How long did it stay there, a day? Not a good metric, IMO.


It still mustered the sales to reach that spot in the first place, and that's next to more maintream books like that I am Malala one. Also, I do not see why it would be drastically different in other locations, unless Germans have a significantly greater interest in the SoB.

[Harley]

Thanks for the link DeSteele.

Wow that thread is so disheartening and painful to read. People like OgreChubbs and the_Armyman taking every opportunity to bash the SoB army as if they had some sort of personal investment against them, meanwhile Trioke just trying to defend and interest in the army.

[DrBored]

Thanks for the link DeSteele.

Wow that thread is so disheartening and painful to read. People like OgreChubbs and the_Armyman taking every opportunity to bash the SoB army as if they had some sort of personal investment against them, meanwhile Trioke just trying to defend and interest in the army.

I wouldn't pay it any mind. Trolls will be trolls.

[Jgolden]

I wouldn't pay it any mind. Trolls will be trolls.

Or on these sites, Orks will be Orks... ;)

[EVIL INC]

I've found Dakka to have an overabundance of trolls. Unfortunately, the mods are part of the troll pack and defend their troll buddies to the death, so there is no getting rid of them there.

[helline9]

Thanks everyone for these updates. :D
As i was telling Harley a few days ago, it looks to me like GW is gearing for a GK/ necron/ DE type SoB overhaul... quietly pumping enthusiasm, testing the waters for sales, while phasing out the old models, rules & fluff.

[DrBored]

Thanks everyone for these updates. :D
As i was telling Harley a few days ago, it looks to me like GW is gearing for a GK/ necron/ DE type SoB overhaul... quietly pumping enthusiasm, testing the waters for sales, while phasing out the old models, rules & fluff.

Here's hoping! It seems like they've been building up for this for a long while.

I'm sure that they've had things planned, but financial reasons might have held them off from making a big investment into the Sisters of Battle. That stock dip certainly didn't help, but releasing a new edition, and popular armies like IG and Orks will help their cash reserves, which will give them what they need to invest in this overhaul.

They still have to get rid of their excess metal stock, and they probably won't do much more in Finecast, so if they do do an overhaul, I imagine it'll be entirely plastic, and that presents its own challenges.

[40kGamer]

Thanks everyone for these updates. :D
As i was telling Harley a few days ago, it looks to me like GW is gearing for a GK/ necron/ DE type SoB overhaul... quietly pumping enthusiasm, testing the waters for sales, while phasing out the old models, rules & fluff.

Sisters deserve a revamp! I would love to see plastic models and an actual codex release for them.

[DrBored]

Sisters deserve a revamp! I would love to see plastic models and an actual codex release for them.

The funny thing is that if GW is measuring hype, they're going to get a pretty poor response, since most SoB players are too jaded to think that GW would actually update their army to fall for the hype train yet again.

[Lord-Boofhead]

I've found Dakka to have an overabundance of trolls. Unfortunately, the mods are part of the troll pack and defend their troll buddies to the death, so there is no getting rid of them there.

Yeah that why I stay clear of there. Even the worst trolls here are a walk in the park compared to that joint...

- - - Updated - - -

So they are going to errata the ecodexes. I hope they do the Inquisition one too because thats just confusing.

[Kirsten]

just to give you all fair warning, when GW do finally get round to plastic sisters, I will be buying all of them. so you may have to wait another month or so after that for the restock :p

[Houghten]

Not if I get to them first, you won't.

Let the fastest internet connection win!

[Mud Duck]

Sounds like I'm going to have too steal the molds to get any models :)

[Skoolstah]

The sisters are finally getting some love!

[conker249]

Here is hoping they finally will get the model update that they need. Plastic Sisters would make me rebuild the entire army. I love their model line they have now, but new plastic would be amazing.

[DarkLink]

Maybe. This is still all speculation. DE sat on talk of just around the corner' like this for years.

[William Konarski]

way over due

[Harley]

Black Library page (http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Codex-Adepta-Sororitas.html) states
Latest Update:
June 30th 2014 - Updated for new edition of Warhammer 40,000
Although I'm not sure yet what if anything was actually changed.

[This Dave]

Black Library page (http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Codex-Adepta-Sororitas.html) states
Although I'm not sure yet what if anything was actually changed.

Weirdly I haven't gotten the notice to update my copy of it on my iPad. But I did get an update for Inquisition but other than saying it updated it to 7th edition there was no indication of what changed.

[Dalleron]

Dr. Bored is probably correct in what he says. That's how I fee about SoB rumours.

[Tomgar]

If they put out plastic Sisters, I'd happily buy two units of 10. I'm working on buying small detachments of the Imperial armies to run a grand Imperial Coalition army. Some Sisters would fit beautifully into there.

[Wizzardx3]

Plastic sisters (done in the vein of the new tactical marine box), and they will be my 3rd 40k army.

[Harley]

In another one of Games Workshop's truly plot twisting actions, some of these models and squads have been added back to the store but are sometimes labelled as NLA or out of stock.


Celestian Squad
Adepta Sororitas Command Squad
Battle sister with flamer 1
Superior with Chainsword and Bolt Pistol (NLA)

Seems like there is quite a bit of shuffling around of these models for some reason, which is anyone's guess.
What I find ironic is that some models like Sisters of Battle Seraphim 1 or Battle Sister with Melta Gun 2 are still numbered, despite there no longer being the sequential previous or next number, making such a label irrelevant.

[DarkLink]

That's why I caution against getting overly excited. Models with low production outputs will periodically appear and disappear off the GW site. It's happened with several other armies independently of getting updates. It's nothing new for Sisters. Not that Sisters won't eventually get an update, but having some models go missing from the site is not an indicator that a new codex is in the works.

[Harley]

That's why I caution against getting overly excited. Models with low production outputs will periodically appear and disappear off the GW site. It's happened with several other armies independently of getting updates. It's nothing new for Sisters. Not that Sisters won't eventually get an update, but having some models go missing from the site is not an indicator that a new codex is in the works.

Nothing is an indicator of a new release until GW post videos and announces it officially, or have you forgotten the recently new edition which no one could varify until the last moment.

But, it does let us know something is going on, which with Sisters is always a good thing. With such a weak pulse on the army, any little tremble is worth mentioning.

Also, with how many models have been discontinued out of the '97 and '03 releases, it'seems starting to get worrisome because some squads are down to a single model variation and special weapon. New squads will look like clone troopers. The theory is that something eventually has to give.

[EVIL INC]

I feel that often, they do what THEY want to do without really bothering with what the players want. If they listened to players, we would have quite a few different things. For examples I give
1. Squats
2. Plastic sisters
3. More alian love from forgeworld
4. lower prices
5. editing and loopholes taken care of before actual releases
The list goes on and on and on.....

That being said, I would love to see this and would get a box or two "just because" even if I never actually used them in a game.

[Mr Mystery]

Hmmm.

My brother has an extensive Sisters army. All bought on the cheap years ago during what was quite likely GW's last sale....

Hmmmm. Might be time to harass him into selling them!

[DarkLink]

Nothing is an indicator of a new release until GW post videos and announces it officially, or have you forgotten the recently new edition which no one could varify until the last moment.

You mean the one where there were rumors of a new edition floating around for six months? Just because not everyone believed it, or because people weren't sure if it was a republished 6.1 or a brand new 7th, doesn't mean that no one saw it coming.

There's a difference between rumor and speculation. This thread is pure speculation. There are, however, a number of individuals who do in fact have a direct line into parts of GW's process. They're not 100% accurate, for a number of reasons, but usually if a codex is upcoming then someone will hear about it from someone within GW. There's been nothing from the people who know things on Sisters. That doesn't mean it might have slipped under the radar, but it's a more reliable indicator of what might be coming next (or not) than what GW temporarily takes down from their website. Because again, far be it from a new trend, they've been taking models with low production output off the website and then putting them back on very frequently for a while now.

[Harley]

You mean the one where there were rumors of a new edition floating around for six months? Just because not everyone believed it, or because people weren't sure if it was a republished 6.1 or a brand new 7th, doesn't mean that no one saw it coming.

There's a difference between rumor and speculation. This thread is pure speculation. There are, however, a number of individuals who do in fact have a direct line into parts of GW's process. They're not 100% accurate, for a number of reasons, but usually if a codex is upcoming then someone will hear about it from someone within GW. There's been nothing from the people who know things on Sisters. That doesn't mean it might have slipped under the radar, but it's a more reliable indicator of what might be coming next (or not) than what GW temporarily takes down from their website. Because again, far be it from a new trend, they've been taking models with low production output off the website and then putting them back on very frequently for a while now.

Yes, the same new edition that similar people vehemently denied, claiming it to be a new expansion or Apocalypse.

Regardless, I'm not really sure what point you are trying to make. This thread does nothing to hurt anyone. If it doesn't interest you then you don't have to read it, so there's no reason to rain on anyone's parade.

Of course this thread is speculation, it is the very very first thing even mentioned in this thread. Obviously I am a Sororitas enthusiast as well as others here too. If I hear the tiniest thud on them while my ear is to the ground, I will discuss it and others will as well. Does it probably mean nothing? Yes. Could it mean something more? That's for everyone to decide.

The last thing Sister's fans need is yet another person telling us plastics aren't going to happen. I respect your opinion but there's no reason to point out how everyone is going to drown while aboard a sinking ship.

Thanks. :cool:

[DarkLink]

Dude, chill out. I'm literally only pointing out the difference between rumors and speculation. I even explicitly stated that there is no reason to think that sisters are getting dumped. Just a bit of a reality check, just because GW shuffles some models around doesn't mean it's the next codex. I'd like to play my shelf full of sisters again, but desire does not validate speculation.

Also, the whole 7th is actually apoc rumor stuff completely misses the point. We knew something was coming, and we knew it was either 6.1 or 7th or something big long beforehand. I had in-person conversations with Reece and Frankie months before it came out with them filling me in on what they had heard it would be. Not what some wild mass guessing told them it would be, but what someone who actually worked with GW had been able to relay to them.

[Kirsten]

Not if I get to them first, you won't.

Let the fastest internet connection win!

I have already bribed the mail order trolls...

[DrBored]

The main difference with the models going in and out of availability, is that I have yet to see any other models that are simply 'No Longer Available', and it seems that the number of Sisters of Battle models that are NLA is rising slowly.

Yes, other models and kits will disappear, only to reappear a day or a week later, but the Sisters of Battle are a unique case in 40k now. They're the only fully metal army left, which puts them in an interesting position. It wouldn't surprise me to see GW using the Sisters of Battle as a way to reduce metal stock slowly but steadily, as has been said many times before.

The frustrating part is that we have no other news. Sisters of Battle don't show up on any rumors except as an afterthought to the completion of all other 40k armies moving into hardback with 7th edition.

We can only hope that as armies like Dark Eldar and Space Wolves get their updates and subsequently move out of the way, that we'll hear more about Sisters of Battle models or hints.

The big hint will be when a rumor comes out about a new Sister of Battle kit and what it looks like.

[Harley]

Of course, I could have titled this thread "Adepta Sororitas Speculation" but that just seems kind of off. IDK would it have been better to call it "News"? A rose...

DrBored makes a good point. Other models may get discontinued and removed, but Sisters are the only ones with such a large scale of unavailable models. Without bothering to sit down and count it's safe to say that around 50% of the model line is no longer in production since 2004.

This of course goes along with the several year old rumors of GW completely sacking metal production and phasing out all metal models. We know this is true because of the lack of new metal models for armies, but what we don't know is what will happen after it's completely phased out.

If I had to make an educated guess it would be that Sisters will be released Spring of 2015 which gives a good window for most old 5th edition Codex to have been re-released and leaves summer open for a big Space Marines and or 7th ed starter kit release. If true it would make sense that we are seeing models in the range disappear.

There's your rumor :P

[Houghten]

I have already bribed the mail order trolls...

*fall to knees*

CURSE YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOU!

[xFallenx]

Weirdly I haven't gotten the notice to update my copy of it on my iPad. But I did get an update for Inquisition but other than saying it updated it to 7th edition there was no indication of what changed.

I'm in the same boat as you... I actually have the first iteration of the condemner too.

[farfromsam]

Can't wait to beat down women in 40k again, AMIRIGHT?! Let's hear it for domestic abuse!

[DarkLink]

Other models may get discontinued and removed, but Sisters are the only ones with such a large scale of unavailable models. Without bothering to sit down and count it's safe to say that around 50% of the model line is no longer in production since 2004.

Not gonna lie though, between the Sisters I already have, and maybe the Toughest Girls in the Galaxy, GW would have to do some pretty impressive work for me to buy many new models.

[kellyj]

I like my old metal girls. When some jack-hole kills them all by turn 3 and brags about how great his army/skill is, I just pack all 60 pounds of girls into their stowage sack and beat him to death with my army.

[rallyfox]

I like my old metal girls. When some jack-hole kills them all by turn 3 and brags about how great his army/skill is, I just pack all 60 pounds of girls into their stowage sack and beat him to death with my army.
not gonna lie, this made me laugh

[daboarder]

I like my old metal girls. When some jack-hole kills them all by turn 3 and brags about how great his army/skill is, I just pack all 60 pounds of girls into their stowage sack and beat him to death with my army.

SoB socking?

[Erik Setzer]

I like my old metal girls. When some jack-hole kills them all by turn 3 and brags about how great his army/skill is, I just pack all 60 pounds of girls into their stowage sack and beat him to death with my army.

That was what I loved about the old metal Dreadnoughts, you could pick them up and chuck them at your opponent's head if he was being a tool.

[Sister Rosette Soulknyt]

Yes but we SoB canot do that with Penitant Engines (our version of the dreadnought), as one, they weigh a lot, but its putting them back together thats the hard part.

Have you ever seen anyone actually build one of the Penitant Engines? Unless you have three hands available, lots of patience and more pateince, they make your hair go grey building them.
It's not worth throwing them at some useless Douch Bag.

I'd rather throw the whole case i own at him. I use the KR Multicase that can hold over 600 minitures, weighs several kilos, not including the 300+ SoB i own.... trust me it's a D Strength weapon.

[DrBored]

"Yes, those were the days, when our models could cause concussions in our opponents when we threw temper tantrums."

[40kGamer]

The funny thing is that if GW is measuring hype, they're going to get a pretty poor response, since most SoB players are too jaded to think that GW would actually update their army to fall for the hype train yet again.

So true! A true Sisters revamp has been a roller coaster ride for a long time now.


"Yes, those were the days, when our models could cause concussions in our opponents when we threw temper tantrums."

Yet another reason to love metal over plastic. :)

[Harley]

Not gonna lie though, between the Sisters I already have, and maybe the Toughest Girls in the Galaxy, GW would have to do some pretty impressive work for me to buy many new models.

To me it's about flexibility. The current Sororitas models are too hard to convert with static poses.

I like the TGG models but they don't fit the Gothic stylings of the Sororitas. The line Raging Heroes proposes as Sisters are going to be at least 4 years away if their current range is any indication. 1 year for development of Dark Elves, 1 year for production and delivery, 1 year for development of Sisters and another for production and delivery. We haven't even seen full delivery on the current TGG line.

I sincerely hope that GW releases plastic Sororitas within 4 years time. 21 years from conception and 15 years since update for an army's models is just mind numbingly ludicrous.

[Fibonacci]

Black Library page (http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Codex-Adepta-Sororitas.html) states
Although I'm not sure yet what if anything was actually changed.

They change the reference to the rulebook to The Rules and jacked up the comdemnor bolt gun formatting when they added One Shot Only to its stat block -- it was already in the description but now it is under the type list too. Other than that I haven't found anything different.

[JMichael]

The funny thing is that if GW is measuring hype, they're going to get a pretty poor response, since most SoB players are too jaded to think that GW would actually update their army to fall for the hype train yet again.

Well count me out of that group.
I'm not jaded at all and still order the occasional Sisters models, though I have a large collection (been playing them since first release in 2nd edition).
I will also be playing them in our local GW summer league instead of my Eldar. Gotta represent the Sororitas!

On a side note, in 6th and 7th editions with the Digital Codex, my Sisters have been winning most of my games (~90%)!
My Imperial Knight is currently being built up in full Adepta Sororita Order of the Sacred Rose complete with Forgeworld Vehicle accessories.

[alpharious]

I do hope they get an update, i am tired of being my wife's vice and holding her models till they dry.....

[Harley]

From Spikey Bits
http://spikeybitsblog.com/2014/12/new-pics-shield-of-baal-exterminatus-2.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+SpikeyBitsFeed+%28Spikey+Bits %29&utm_content=FaceBook
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[Clockwork]

From Spikey Bits
http://spikeybitsblog.com/2014/12/new-pics-shield-of-baal-exterminatus-2.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+SpikeyBitsFeed+%28Spikey+Bits %29&utm_content=FaceBook
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Sadly, just Shield of Baal stuff.

I'm curious about the claim from the 2015 40k releases article with the claim that Sororitas are in the 2015 line up.

[daboarder]

aren't we all

[Clockwork]

aren't we all

Yeah. I've started looking around more and sharing the article on other boards to see what I can dredge up. Here's what I got so far:

From Bolter and Chainsword:

A Hardback Sororitas Codex with plastic kits. I was told something similar by someone in the know not long ago. It could be true...

From Warseer:

I’ve heard more credible things about Sisters being later (next year), and the fact that they would redo Dark Angels, CSM and Daemons so soon… instead of redoing the problem Codices… seems like whoever wrote this just assumed GW would follow the same order.

I'm still looking but I haven't see much else either way on the possibility.

[Bigred]

Via Steve the Warboss 1-11-2015

Regarding Sororitas Codex

After the featuring in the Shields of Baal Campaign i think its possible for a near Sororitas release. The Codex is complete and can be released every time. More rumors do not exist at the moment.

[Clockwork]

I hope he means "any time".

[DarkLink]

I've got a full metal Sisters army just sitting around waiting for a new codex and for me to finish painting them.

[ElectricPaladin]

I've been thinking about this whole "complete and ready to be released at any time" claim. Maybe it's true? For all that I decry the "oh, it's all a money grab, everything is a money grab" argument, it's also the case that GW is struggling with falling profits and trying to maintain the confidence of their investors. Maybe they plan to support the Sororitas, but the time has never seemed right, because they're too desperate to make sure that every release is the most profitable release possible? And because they only do one kind of release - the big release, with lots of secrecy and videos and other meaningless garbage, and never a quieter lower-overhead release - they haven't felt like the time was right, yet?

[Clockwork]

Considering how poorly WFB is doing I have a feeling that the falling profits are more to do with that than most anything else at this point.

If Sisters are just awaiting a hole to fill in the release schedule then it's more likely that they need a two-month release period and with everything else that's on the table to be released they just can't find a good spot to put them in yet. Maybe that'll change, or maybe they'll double down and just do it in a single month. I don't know. I'm just speculating at this point on a possibility.

[DarkLink]

I've been thinking about this whole "complete and ready to be released at any time" claim. Maybe it's true? For all that I decry the "oh, it's all a money grab, everything is a money grab" argument, it's also the case that GW is struggling with falling profits and trying to maintain the confidence of their investors. Maybe they plan to support the Sororitas, but the time has never seemed right, because they're too desperate to make sure that every release is the most profitable release possible? And because they only do one kind of release - the big release, with lots of secrecy and videos and other meaningless garbage, and never a quieter lower-overhead release - they haven't felt like the time was right, yet?

They sat on Dark Eldar stuff for a long time as well. Just because there are higher priority core armies to update doesn't mean they won't eventually get around to Sisters. Eventually.

[Halollet]

I would have doubts about this, but their inclusion in Baal and the fact that we're apparently getting Harliquins has me hopeful for this. If an army from the 90s that has been reduced down to one elite unit can get a whole army again, then I don't see why Sisters can't make a come back!

Here's to hopeful wishing!

[StraightSilver]

My view on this (and it's only my opinion but based on working for GW for some time) is that there are 3 armies that regular or long term 40K players are really passionate about.

Dark Eldar
Battle Sisters / Sorroritas
Ad Mech

I know those aren't the only ones (Exodites, Arbites, Squats etc also feature a lot in these types of discussion) but they are probably the top 3.

These aren't top tier armies in terms of sales, but they are still very popular in terms of people wanting them to be updated.

Taking Dark Eldar as an example. They were never a massive seller, and that may be because the models were, frankly in my opinion, awful, but their background was awesome and they were a well loved army.

One of the reasons they probably garnered an even greater following was because they went approximately 12 years without new models. They then became one of the most talked about armies and the one that most players wanted to see updated.

GW didn't want to update them because they had had poor sales in the past compared to other armies regardless of the reason (12 years without models undoubtedly didn't help).

However the designers were just as passionate and Jes Goodwin fought long and hard to get them brought back. For that reason the design team took a long time to get them right, because if the models weren't good enough and the sales were bad it would cement GW's view that some armies should be "squatted".

Dark Eldar, when they eventually reappeared, were an obvious success and sales have been good but they are still not top-tier in terms of sales but I don't doubt in GW's view that they have done well, but as far as GW are concerned they took a big risk and it paid off because they took their time with it.

Since Dark Eldar though 40K has changed a lot, meaning that minis can be released without necessarily having a full Codex. Unbound and Allies also help massively in this respect meaning that they can drip feed releases or only commit to one or two new units.

Harlequins are a good example of this. Plastic box of Harlies that can make 2 types of squad, plus a couple of clam pack characters and a data sheet or small supplement rather than full Codex and bang, you have a new army.

If rumours are true that's also probably how Ad Mech will play out, one or maybe two plastic kits plus clam packs which can be slotted in to any Imperial army.

So I suspect the rumours that Harlequins and Ad Mech are coming before Sisters is probably true.

Why?

Because the impression I get is that Sisters have been worked on for some time, and despite development issues a significant investment of resources has been put into them which suggest a full codex rather than a supplement or series of data sheets.

I don't know if the models are ready or not but usually models come first and then Codex so if the Codex is ready then so are the models.

However I believe GW will want to build up a lot of hype before they release them, and I think we are already seeing this. Sisters regularly appear in WD and did feature in the Shield of Baal campaign. They are also in the main rule book and have had a lot of new art work done, which also suggests GW is prepared to invest in them.

I personally believe they will get the Dark Eldar treatment, in other words a big release with a complete over haul, but I think GW is intentionally making us wait for it as they want to build up hype.

Obviously personal opinion but I think they are coming, and as a Sorroritas army rather than Battle Sisters, so not just the Militant arm but also Hospitalers etc, but I think it will be nearer the end of the year rather than first half.

[Darren Richardson]

I agree with most of the above, except I think they may release them just a few weeks before their end of financial year report, just so to gain a massive boost to the sales figures last minute, if we think about it, it's what the did with the Imperial Knights, realeased them in March last year, so their sales would be in the end of year report in April.

[StraightSilver]

Actually that's a fair point and one I hadn't considered. I was thinking year end to boost Christmas sales but a release before financial year end does make sense.

I also think they would fit an Easter release very well, in the same way Dark Eldar had a hallowe'en release.

[Charistoph]

Mayhaps. It depends on how good the legs on the rumor that Sisters were two years away from being released, back last November, are.

Of course, the little birdy that provided that information may have already been behind.

But then, GW has always let the risky propositions happen mid-"year", like most companies. The huge Necron and Dark Eldar model revamp both happened in Fall, and if Sisters are considered a risk like they would be (more because of market glut than anything), than having the rest of the fiscal year to compensate would be of use.

[zanth]

I don't know how much stock to put in this, but Forgeworld recently removed their Exorcist variant. Doesn't that sometimes indicate GW is revamping their models? Plus I recently got word form Forgeworld that they are repairing their Repressor mold to get it back into production. They said they hope to have it available soon. That was Saturday, I believe.

[dirheim]

Just my two cents,
I'm being expecting this army for the last years, and I plan to purchase a full army when released, but the current policy of GW secrecy regarding release dates means a problem. If I need to pay about 800€ for the army, for example, I'll need some time to save money and a planned date to expend it (otherwise I will end expending it in Forgeworld or other things cool)But since GW only give us weeks advice, most probably I will only purchase some units (the bare minimum for a detachment) before moving to the new cool thing.

[Erik Setzer]

Just my two cents,
I'm being expecting this army for the last years, and I plan to purchase a full army when released, but the current policy of GW secrecy regarding release dates means a problem. If I need to pay about 800€ for the army, for example, I'll need some time to save money and a planned date to expend it (otherwise I will end expending it in Forgeworld or other things cool)But since GW only give us weeks advice, most probably I will only purchase some units (the bare minimum for a detachment) before moving to the new cool thing.

Yeah, that's been my issue with the secrecy, especially from a standpoint of working with the customers, but you'll still find people jumping in to defend it as something that must be done to protect Games Workshop from the evils of the world... even though other companies don't seem to have those problems.

[DarkLink]

I don't know how much stock to put in this, but Forgeworld recently removed their Exorcist variant. Doesn't that sometimes indicate GW is revamping their models? Plus I recently got word form Forgeworld that they are repairing their Repressor mold to get it back into production. They said they hope to have it available soon. That was Saturday, I believe.

No, stuff periodically appears and disappears from their website. It could also mean they ran low on stock. Sure, it's possible it's for a new release, but from where we stand we have no way of knowing.

[Harley]

Well, I pretty much went into hibernation on 40k stuff waiting for anything SoB oriented but seems like there are some stirrings in the pond. Will have to update the first post on this thread very soon.

[zanth]

No, stuff periodically appears and disappears from their website. It could also mean they ran low on stock. Sure, it's possible it's for a new release, but from where we stand we have no way of knowing.

Ah, gotcha. I did notice that when I first looked there the Repressor was not on the website at all. Maybe they were just taking turns fixing up their molds for the two models. I just started playing a few months ago, so I'm really excited about the prospect of plastic Sisters models. I hope all this speculation comes to be soon! :)

[Harbinger Rising]

Similar here.

Since when did Sisters of Battle change to 'Adeptas Sororitas?' Sounds like a college campus clique, more than a grim-dark femme fatale army, lol.

I hear Imperial Guard have also been given a name change. I've been away quite a while it seems.

[Defenestratus]

Well, I pretty much went into hibernation on 40k stuff waiting for anything SoB oriented but seems like there are some stirrings in the pond. Will have to update the first post on this thread very soon.

Meanwhile, the vast majority of 40k players go into hibernation while all that's being talked about is SoB.

[Harley]

Meanwhile, the vast majority of 40k players go into hibernation while all that's being talked about is SoB.

Ironic isn't it. The accelerated release schedule and added complexity of 7th edition only seemed to have hurt 40k in my area. It just hasn't seemed like the newer codex have really added anything significantly new and exciting beyond updating for 7th ed (For which an errata would have sufficed in many cases). I would be all over creating a Knight army if it wasn't so prohibitively expensive to start. Anyways just my $0.02

I'm worried though that a new Sororitas codex means either not enough positive new material like the GK treatment or so much change it invalidates the decade old metal models.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

I would buy so many sisters if they had plastic models! Not even joking!

[Houghten]

Since when did Sisters of Battle change to 'Adeptas Sororitas?' Sounds like a college campus clique, more than a grim-dark femme fatale army, lol.

I'm not sure. Were they in Rogue Trader? If so, what were they called in that?

Failing that, since 1993. They are named the Adepta Sororitas in the Codex Imperialis and the Army Lists.

[Charon]

Meanwhile, the vast majority of 40k players go into hibernation while all that's being talked about is SoB.

Idk... actually any news other than "Space Marines" is welcome.

[Harbinger Rising]

Idk... actually any news other than "Space Marines" is welcome.

Seconded. Too much Space Marine love in 2014. Need more rumours about the Sisters :D

[Kirsten]

I will make some up if you like, keep thing interesting.

[zanth]

Ironic isn't it. The accelerated release schedule and added complexity of 7th edition only seemed to have hurt 40k in my area. It just hasn't seemed like the newer codex have really added anything significantly new and exciting beyond updating for 7th ed (For which an errata would have sufficed in many cases). I would be all over creating a Knight army if it wasn't so prohibitively expensive to start. Anyways just my $0.02

I'm worried though that a new Sororitas codex means either not enough positive new material like the GK treatment or so much change it invalidates the decade old metal models.

Since 7th Edition sales and activity have increased dramitcally in my store. We don't have a huge community as is, but it's been thriving in the last 6-8 months. Excdept Tau, nobody here likes them much.

Hell, we have three Sororitas players even. They're all pretty stoked at these rumours that have been going around.

[silashand]

I will make some up if you like, keep thing interesting.

No thanks. Have had too many years of false hopes already... :)

[Cutter]

I'm not sure. Were they in Rogue Trader? If so, what were they called in that?

Failing that, since 1993. They are named the Adepta Sororitas in the Codex Imperialis and the Army Lists.

Yeah, they were called Adepta Sororitas in RT as well.

They had spikes for nipples, studded wimples and ram heads as part of their iconograpy.

Great days Eddie, great days. Grrr.

[Gotthammer]

Yeah, they were called Adepta Sororitas in RT as well.

The page in question (http://gregorhutton.com/roleplaying/sister-sin.jpg)

[Mr Mystery]

The page in question (http://gregorhutton.com/roleplaying/sister-sin.jpg)

I did not know that!

[Darren Richardson]

Interesting that they appear to be taking out a SM from what appears to be the Rainbow Warriors Legion (as they were known back then, chapters hadn't been thought of then)....

[Clockwork]

Interesting that they appear to be taking out a SM from what appears to be the Rainbow Warriors Legion (as they were known back then, chapters hadn't been thought of then)....

Rooting out Heresy has always been a job of theirs regardless where it appears. And the Rainbow Warriors are a dead chapter now. The prevailing theory being that the Sisters purged them.

[Cutter]

Interesting that they appear to be taking out a SM from what appears to be the Rainbow Warriors Legion (as they were known back then, chapters hadn't been thought of then)....

Really? :rolleyes:

"The Space Marines differ from the ordinary army in many respects: its organisational base and mode of operational are totally different. The basic Unit, called a Chapter, is lead by its own Imperial Commander."

Warhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader, p.153, 1987

[daboarder]

he's just confused legions and chapters, RT had first founding chapters, and no legions, and many of the second founding chapters had been listed as first in rogue trader (Crimson fists being an example)

[Gotthammer]

Actually no, the only chapter's referred to by any founding are the Dark Angels - first founded - and Space Wolves who are referred to as "Adeprtus Astartes Uniti 4 'Spacewolves'". The other Chapters presented are just shown as chapters with no founding order as there were no "foundings" yet as Primarchs didn't exist (the concept was first introduced as a title for mighty chapter heroes shortly after when Horus was still a human general). Foundings and Primarchs in their current iteration wouldn't appear until the Realm of Chaos / Space Marine 2nd Ed era.

Also the destruction of the Rainbow Warriors by the Sororitas is pure fanon - the only reference to them outside of RT is in the 5th ed Marine Codex with the planet Prism labelled with their chapter badge and no name but "record deleted".

Bloody fake geek boys :rolleyes:

[Cutter]

he's just confused legions and chapters, RT had first founding chapters, and no legions, and many of the second founding chapters had been listed as first in rogue trader (Crimson fists being an example)

It's almost like someone just made this **** up as they went along, instead of channelling fact from 38,000 years hence...

[eldargal]

Bloody fake geek boys :rolleyes:

http://www.ieatgravel.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/edge-wrestler-gif.gif

[Houghten]

The page in question (http://gregorhutton.com/roleplaying/sister-sin.jpg)

I suspected that might be the case, but the oldest books I have to verify anything from are the 2nd Edition main rules.
Link saved for the next time someone asks that same question...

[Darren Richardson]

ops I was getting mixed up with their original title, they wasn't know as Adeptus Astertes at least for another 5 or 6 pages later in the main rulebook, seriously they couldn't keep it constitant in the same book...

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[Bigred]

via Heresy Online's Zion (http://www.heresy-online.net/forums/showthread.php?t=177546) 1-16-2015

Regarding Sisters of Battle

From a little Ripper Swarm to me:
The Codex is done, the models are in production, and it's nebulously a Q2 release. It's the Dark Eldar treatment-- rebuilt the range from the ground up, completely.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Really hope that is true for all Sisters players out there, but I'll believe it when I see it...

[Mr Mystery]

Sounding positive so far!

[daboarder]

Actually no, the only chapter's referred to by any founding are the Dark Angels - first founded - and Space Wolves who are referred to as "Adeprtus Astartes Uniti 4 'Spacewolves'". The other Chapters presented are just shown as chapters with no founding order as there were no "foundings" yet as Primarchs didn't exist (the concept was first introduced as a title for mighty chapter heroes shortly after when Horus was still a human general). Foundings and Primarchs in their current iteration wouldn't appear until the Realm of Chaos / Space Marine 2nd Ed era.


Bloody fake geek boys :rolleyes:

thanks for the information hadnt realised they weren't "first founding" Chapters. and yes I know the primarchs didnt exist at that point

Oh and nice charming and fully expected hypocrisy too

[ElectricPaladin]

"From the ground up" is an anxiety-producing phrase. I paid good money for my little metal Sororitas. Can any Dark Eldar players reassure me that this doesn't mean that my existing collection will be invalidated?

[Kirsten]

you will be fine

[daboarder]

"From the ground up" is an anxiety-producing phrase. I paid good money for my little metal Sororitas. Can any Dark Eldar players reassure me that this doesn't mean that my existing collection will be invalidated?

doubtful that any of the units are going to disapear, AS have few enough unit concepts as it is, II doubt GW is going to throw the established ones out.

[Deadlift]

thanks for the information hadnt realised they weren't "first founding" Chapters. and yes I know the primarchs didnt exist at that point

Oh and nice charming and fully expected hypocrisy too

Edited out.....feel like a noob :D

[Gotthammer]

Oh and nice charming and fully expected hypocrisy too

http://41.media.tumblr.com/c06e099c066802711bce409c4de010c7/tumblr_n1y4imeEJY1qj2kgto2_500.jpg

[daboarder]

Oh, sorry Gott, was it "only a joke"

Seriously......we need a head shaking emoji

[Mr Mystery]

"From the ground up" is an anxiety-producing phrase. I paid good money for my little metal Sororitas. Can any Dark Eldar players reassure me that this doesn't mean that my existing collection will be invalidated?

DE only had things added during their re-do. From memory? Some new dakka, new beasts, Venom and the Jets. Oh, and the upscaling of Grotesques and the addition of Wracks.

Some stuff didn't remain quite the same (Incubi lost their shooting attack) but nothing a DE player had before couldn't be used in the updated range.

[Charon]

DE only had things added during their re-do. From memory? Some new dakka, new beasts, Venom and the Jets. Oh, and the upscaling of Grotesques and the addition of Wracks.

Some stuff didn't remain quite the same (Incubi lost their shooting attack) but nothing a DE player had before couldn't be used in the updated range.

Succubus/Archon/Haemi on jebikes/Skyboards
Incubi with Shredder/Blaster
Wyches with Shredder/Blaster
DE Beastmaster
Vect (recently)
Kabalite Warriors with 2 CCW

[Erik Setzer]

I guess I'm lucky my dad focuses on Warriors in Raiders with an Archon and some Incubi as his main core. A bunch of other stuff, but off the top of my head, these were the main changes to the stuff he had (mind you, this is an army that was built with the very first wave of DE, in early 3rd edition):
- Mandrakes no longer have weapons... but you can do a "counts-as."
- Grotesques are completely different now... but the old models looked awful.
- Maybe some Wych weapons aren't useful any more, but they can just count as basic CCWs.
There's a huge aesthetic difference, yeah, but overall it all still works just fine.

They might be changing some of the look of the Sisters. I just hope I can still use the ones I still have. Don't have many (couldn't find them all post-fire), but it's two or three squads, and that's enough to throw in some allies somewhere, or have a convent force assigned to a Rogue Trader. If I can blend them seamlessly with the new models, so much better!

[jonsgot]

Really hope that is true for all Sisters players out there, but I'll believe it when I see it...

This is true, it no secert the studio have been working on sisters for years, I don't know if they are finished or are just stock piling. GW doesn't commit to anything this far in advance. The important thing to note is no one has giving a definite release date. Q2 is a maybe , stranded release point for high risk releases. If it doesn't happen by the end of June it might take another year; or even longer. Sisters are not seen as a big seller so will have to slot in around other releases. I remain very excited about this, but recommend not holding your breath or planning to save up for May June without a back up purchase list.

[Charistoph]

This is true, it no secert the studio have been working on sisters for years, I don't know if they are finished or are just stock piling. GW doesn't commit to anything this far in advance. The important thing to note is no one has giving a definite release date. Q2 is a maybe , stranded release point for high risk releases. If it doesn't happen by the end of June it might take another year; or even longer. Sisters are not seen as a big seller so will have to slot in around other releases. I remain very excited about this, but recommend not holding your breath or planning to save up for May June without a back up purchase list.

Hard to be a big seller when the part that is supposed to be cheapest (Troops) is more expensive than other army's vehicles.

[zanth]

Hard to be a big seller when the part that is supposed to be cheapest (Troops) is more expensive than other army's vehicles.

No kidding, I just forked out $50 to build a 5-woman Retributor squad....

[Clockwork]

To add to the problem if you want to take advantage of the full sized Sisters squads you have to drop close to $200 right now (give or take if you take a Simulacrum or not). Not even Fantasy has pricing that bad for core units (yes I see you Blood Knights, but you aren't core).

[DeSteele]

Hard to be a big seller when the part that is supposed to be cheapest (Troops) is more expensive than other army's vehicles.
So Charistoph, are you suggesting that people are influenced by price? :)

Just picking some prices off the GW UK website for Imperial units of 10 figures we get

Imperial Guard – Plastic - £18
Imperial Guard – Metal - £20.50 (4 separate units)
Space Marine Tactical Squad – Plastic - £25
Grey Knight Strike Squad – Plastic - £37.50

Battle Sister Squad – Metal - £49.70 :eek:

And the SM & GK are more points per figure as well. 20 Space Marines worth more than twice the points of 10 sisters costing the same in cash.

Yep, can’t see why that would guide people to certain armies. ;)

[Charistoph]

Never mind, missed the sarcasm.

[zanth]

To add to the problem if you want to take advantage of the full sized Sisters squads you have to drop close to $200 right now (give or take if you take a Simulacrum or not). Not even Fantasy has pricing that bad for core units (yes I see you Blood Knights, but you aren't core).

Not quite that bad, but around $160. And that'll give you one extra Battle Sister, or two if you do the Simulacrum. And add $12.

[jonsgot]

Hard to be a big seller when the part that is supposed to be cheapest (Troops) is more expensive than other army's vehicles.

Yes it will be interesting to see if that changes when they are plastic. Hard to justify a squad of sisters over some of the other items you can pick up for that amount of money.

[Clockwork]

Not quite that bad, but around $160. And that'll give you one extra Battle Sister, or two if you do the Simulacrum. And add $12.

Still FAR too expensive.

[zanth]

Still FAR too expensive.

Oh, I am not disagreeing with you, sir. We're doing a custom planet strike campaign here, and I'm maining Sisters of Battle. It hurts our walletses it does.

[daboarder]

I just want plastic ones so I can convert up an few for a valkyrie order

[Mr Mystery]

I just want plastic ones so I can convert up an few for a valkyrie order

Might also prove interesting alternatives for Slaaneshi Marines?

[daboarder]

Might also prove interesting alternatives for Slaaneshi Marines?

if you want to go that way sure. May even use a few to sprinkle through my slaanesh army

[zanth]

I just want plastic ones so I can convert up an few for a valkyrie order

I'm already planning a female squad of Grey Hunters, myself. :)

[BlackTalos]

Tried posting in a new thread, but it does not seemed to have worked, yet.
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http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/632419.page

[Wolf of Winter]

I just saw this on Faeit... may be a little late to the party, but wanted to share in case anyone hadn't seen it...

Truth? tinfoil? ARGH!!!!!!

http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/sisters-of-battle-models-in-production.html

[Kirsten]

I so hope that is true

[StraightSilver]

Well, "if" the Codex is done then the models are already done too.

These days the Codex is written after the models are finished, so "if" a Codex has been spotted then the figures will be coming out at the same time.

Q2 release seems a bit optimistic but I must admit if GW were going to release Battle Sisters then doing so around Easter would be thematically appropriate, in the same way October was for Dark Eldar.

[Kirsten]

yup, what with all those rabbit ears and egg grenades the Sisters love :p

I am 100% certain we will see plastic sisters at some point, if they come out in a few months that would be incredible

[40kGamer]

Now that something as obscure as a Harlequins army has returned I'm feeling really good about Sisters chances.

[Wolf of Winter]

Now that something as obscure as a Harlequins army has returned I'm feeling really good about Sisters chances.

I'm inclined to agree with you on this. Looking at the new Harlequin minis certainly gives some hope to the chances of the plastic sisters issues finally being resolved. I can only begin to imagine how stunning the SoB will look with the versatility of plastic...

I noticed that there has been mention of the 'habit' (I forget the correct name for a nuns headpiece) being one of the issues (as well as filigree and fleur de lys) which begs me to ask the question of just how different the new Sisters will look compared to the classic minis? Will it just be a case of you can either have a bare head, helmed, or with 'nun' garb? I wonder what else will be changed? Puts me in mind of:

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[ElectricPaladin]

I'm inclined to agree with you on this. Looking at the new Harlequin minis certainly gives some hope to the chances of the plastic sisters issues finally being resolved. I can only begin to imagine how stunning the SoB will look with the versatility of plastic...

I noticed that there has been mention of the 'habit' (I forget the correct name for a nuns headpiece) being one of the issues (as well as filigree and fleur de lys) which begs me to ask the question of just how different the new Sisters will look compared to the classic minis? Will it just be a case of you can either have a bare head, helmed, or with 'nun' garb? I wonder what else will be changed? Puts me in mind of:

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I like that picture. That would be an awesome aesthetic choice for a new Sisters line.

[zanth]

That'd be cool to have the three options. So far all the rumours I've seen pop up here lately have come true, so I don't doubt at all we'll see Chaos in Feb, and Sisters in March. That fits most of the "timelines" Ive seen floating around the web. I've been trying to get anything out of my GW rep, but he claims to know nothing(which may very well be true).

[Wolf of Winter]

That'd be cool to have the three options. So far all the rumours I've seen pop up here lately have come true, so I don't doubt at all we'll see Chaos in Feb, and Sisters in March. That fits most of the "timelines" Ive seen floating around the web. I've been trying to get anything out of my GW rep, but he claims to know nothing(which may very well be true).

I'm just hoping it happens. I've been reading the rumor mill for years now, and I have become somewhat cynical about the whole subject, but something "feels" different this time around. A tremor in the warp, maybe! lol!

Not only would it mean I can revive my beloved Sisters, but my friend who is convinced they have gone the way of the short stumpy guys with big guns. One large helping of eating his own words coming up... hehe.

I don't see a reason why they wouldn't do well either, even with the younger 40K crowd, I mean, its the 'new shiny', but I feel it gives a different option for those burnt out on superhuman warriors or bad guys to do something refreshing a new.

[Charistoph]

I just saw this on Faeit... may be a little late to the party, but wanted to share in case anyone hadn't seen it...

Truth? tinfoil? ARGH!!!!!!

http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/sisters-of-battle-models-in-production.html

It's Faeit, so more tinfoil than truth.

Nothing listed there is actually new, just more of the same that has been passed down since 4th Edition ended.

[zanth]

I'm just hoping it happens. I've been reading the rumor mill for years now, and I have become somewhat cynical about the whole subject, but something "feels" different this time around. A tremor in the warp, maybe! lol!

Not only would it mean I can revive my beloved Sisters, but my friend who is convinced they have gone the way of the short stumpy guys with big guns. One large helping of eating his own words coming up... hehe.

I don't see a reason why they wouldn't do well either, even with the younger 40K crowd, I mean, its the 'new shiny', but I feel it gives a different option for those burnt out on superhuman warriors or bad guys to do something refreshing a new.

So many things point to it being true. Many rumours from many locations that all actually line up. I actually just started playing maybe 6 months ago, and I believe I have a good 3000 points worth of Sisters built up. I love the army, I love the lore, and I want to see them expanded. And the savings of plastic would be welcome indeed!

[DarkLink]

And for all the crap people on the internet talk about Faeit, they're still correct on a fairly regular basis. And half the time they're wrong, it's often as not because they got some rumors about stuff GW was in fact doing, but didn't get the whole story or GW changed things before release so they're "wrong", but not really. And in the case of Sisters, it's not like they didn't hold off on revamping DE for a long, long, long time, and no one seemed to believe DE would get a new codex until suddenly -bam-, new codex, new models, new everything. There's zero reason to think that they won't eventually do the same to Sisters, especially when many independent sources, many of whom are known to be reliable, have been stating this is exactly what GW is planning to do with Sisters. The only question is almost certainly when, not if.

[Charistoph]

And for all the crap people on the internet talk about Faeit, they're still correct on a fairly regular basis. And half the time they're wrong, it's often as not because they got some rumors about stuff GW was in fact doing, but didn't get the whole story or GW changed things before release so they're "wrong", but not really.

Faeit's been accurate when reposting posts from more reliable rumor mongers as things get close. Anything earlier than White Dwarf leaks, though, he tends not to parse very well and appears to post almost any wishlist.

[Erik Setzer]

Faeit's been accurate when reposting posts from more reliable rumor mongers as things get close. Anything earlier than White Dwarf leaks, though, he tends not to parse very well and appears to post almost any wishlist.

But that's basically what BoLS does, too, with the added bonus that they can just repost stuff put on the forums as a new post on the front page. It's an easy way to get a bunch of hits. If you're monetizing your site, that's the kind of stuff you do.

[Houghten]

And? I don't think anybody has ever expressed any respect for the BoLS frontpage as a rumour source. Or much else.

[DarkLink]

Faeit's been accurate when reposting posts from more reliable rumor mongers as things get close. Anything earlier than White Dwarf leaks, though, he tends not to parse very well and appears to post almost any wishlist.

...you do understand that's exactly what Faeit is, right? A rumor compilation site?

[Erik Setzer]

And? I don't think anybody has ever expressed any respect for the BoLS frontpage as a rumour source. Or much else.

"And"... It's not fair for anyone who's using this site to go bashing another site for doing the same tricks in order to get hits. That's all. Do I need to actually go into an explanation of how bashing one site while using another means that you implicitly support the actions of the site you're using, which makes you a hypocrite for bashing the other while not simultaneously pointing out the flaws of the current website? Or is that too difficult a concept?

[Charistoph]

"And"... It's not fair for anyone who's using this site to go bashing another site for doing the same tricks in order to get hits. That's all. Do I need to actually go into an explanation of how bashing one site while using another means that you implicitly support the actions of the site you're using, which makes you a hypocrite for bashing the other while not simultaneously pointing out the flaws of the current website? Or is that too difficult a concept?

To be fair, I put as much faith in the BOLS rumor mill as Faeit. Now, posting rumors is fine, but there has been too many cases of people taking any and every rumor at full face value instead of considering them being worth less than the paper they are printed on. Especially when the rumor mill has been more miss than hit for the last few years for anything beyond a week or two, it's hard to have strong confidence in any of them, really.

[Erik Setzer]

To be fair, I put as much faith in the BOLS rumor mill as Faeit. Now, posting rumors is fine, but there has been too many cases of people taking any and every rumor at full face value instead of considering them being worth less than the paper they are printed on. Especially when the rumor mill has been more miss than hit for the last few years for anything beyond a week or two, it's hard to have strong confidence in any of them, really.

In the current situation GW's created, we have a distinct lack of information coming out, so much so that even their own employees are often left unsure what's around the corner. So people want anything they can get, they crave information, even if it's some crazy off-the-wall rumor. With that new environment, websites know they can get a lot of hits just reposting anything that comes along, whether it's likely accurate or not. Everyone deserves blame for that, really. Can't change it any time soon, though. We're stuck just sitting around eagerly looking for scans of the later WD.

[eldargal]

The problem with SoB rumours is they are going to be right eventually, because we know they are being worked on. Jes Goodwin has said so on more than one occasion. Until we get leaked picture there is really no point getting worked up over anything.

[Wolf of Winter]

OK, I can see I opened a rather large and unpleasant can of worms with my post, which was not my intention at all, I just wanted to contribute to the cause for the SoB. I agree with Erik though. I don't understand why GW have to be so covertly secretive about what's coming down the pipeline that's anything over a couple of weeks from a release. Lots of manufacturers set out road maps for 3/6/12 month time frames (subject to change, obviously), so I don't know why GW treats its product release schedule like it's a chapter of Project Blue Book - above top secret.

I'm a toy collector as well, and subscribe to a line that does reveals every few months for what's coming, and it generates excitement. Sure there is speculation as well, but we have at least a rough idea of what is to be expected, usually through sneak peeks, reveals and other means. It also helps that there is a brand manager who actually interacts with fans too, not only at the toy fairs, but on the internet. Maybe GW should do themselves a favor and hire one...

[40kGamer]

It also helps that there is a brand manager who actually interacts with fans too, not only at the toy fairs, but on the internet. Maybe GW should do themselves a favor and hire one...

That can just keeps getting bigger... :p

[Houghten]

"And"... It's not fair for anyone who's using this site to go bashing another site for doing the same tricks in order to get hits. That's all. Do I need to actually go into an explanation of how bashing one site while using another means that you implicitly support the actions of the site you're using, which makes you a hypocrite for bashing the other while not simultaneously pointing out the flaws of the current website? Or is that too difficult a concept?

Wow, where do I even begin? In what sense does pointing out that Faeit is not a reliable rumour source count as "bashing"? And why would that be hypocritical unless the rumours were the reason you were here?

[Wolf of Winter]

That can just keeps getting bigger... :p

You're right of course... dang it. OK, I'm done with all that lol!

Regardless of rumors, websites, unlimited rice pudding, here's to hoping that we get some positive movement in 2015 for the Daughters of the Emperor :D

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

You're right of course... dang it. OK, I'm done with all that lol!

Regardless of rumors, websites, unlimited rice pudding, here's to hoping that we get some positive movement in 2015 for the Daughters of the Emperor :D

Quite!

https://dailypop.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/doctorwho_mccoy.jpg

[jonsgot]

The problem with SoB rumours is they are going to be right eventually, because we know they are being worked on. Jes Goodwin has said so on more than one occasion. Until we get leaked picture there is really no point getting worked up over anything.

Can I get worked up over the possibility of a new sister superior? I thought I might pick up some of the models I don't own but GW are down to two of the very oldest models; that includes Seraphim who have zero available. I hope the GW are using up all the metal before moving to plastic rumours are true, other wise we'll be converting superiors from standard sisters.

[DrBored]

Y'know, if GW takes too long, Raging Heroes is going to come out with their Sisters of Eternal Mercy. The Kickstarter for it is slated for late March, and the Toughest Girls of the Galaxy will be fully released by the end of 2015. If GW drags their feet, Raging Heroes will release their Sisters.

Then we'd have models that would look great and unique, and could just keep using the digital codex forever. :P

[Kirsten]

I do like the raging heroes sisters, but they are a little too over the top for my liking to be GW sisters.

[zanth]

Yeah, but the Sisters as they are in the Digital Codex kinda suck. :P I had a game today up against guard with lots of armour and just got smoked. All the melta in the world won't help if you can't get your transports in range before they get destroyed.

[KhornishGameHen]

Yeah, but the Sisters as they are in the Digital Codex kinda suck. :P I had a game today up against guard with lots of armour and just got smoked. All the melta in the world won't help if you can't get your transports in range before they get destroyed.

Sounds like the same issues chaos often has :P

[Erik Setzer]

Y'know, if GW takes too long, Raging Heroes is going to come out with their Sisters of Eternal Mercy. The Kickstarter for it is slated for late March

Suddenly, the seemingly arbitrary month of March that someone told me as a rumored date for Sisters makes a lot more sense... But it'd have to be late March, because late February through early to mid March will be ET: Archaon.

[marful]

Y'know, if GW takes too long, Raging Heroes is going to come out with their Sisters of Eternal Mercy. The Kickstarter for it is slated for late March, and the Toughest Girls of the Galaxy will be fully released by the end of 2015. If GW drags their feet, Raging Heroes will release their Sisters.

Then we'd have models that would look great and unique, and could just keep using the digital codex forever. :PIf that happens, GW will just what they've done every time someone else makes a model for something they don't actually have a model for yet: get rid of that model/unit from the game.

[Wolf of Winter]

I do like the raging heroes sisters, but they are a little too over the top for my liking to be GW sisters.

They are stunning models, for sure, but are a little too WWII I think to be SoB. That said, I do own some of the minis because they are just so darn good.

[Kirsten]

Suddenly, the seemingly arbitrary month of March that someone told me as a rumored date for Sisters makes a lot more sense... But it'd have to be late March, because late February through early to mid March will be ET: Archaon.

I think that is reading too much in to it. Raging Heroes have never had a solid schedule, GW's will have been set months ago.

[Erik Setzer]

I think that is reading too much in to it. Raging Heroes have never had a solid schedule, GW's will have been set months ago.

Well, I feel like March seems a bit too early, anyway. I mean more that people would use March as a rumored time of release, not that GW would actually do it.

[zanth]

I'd been hearing March as Chaos more recently... but I guess we'll see in the upcoming weeks, I suppose.

I looked at those Sisters of Eternal Mercy designs, and they look really nice. Even if GW does get SoB out in March/April, I may have to get some of those to add some diversity to my army. :)

[Clockwork]

From what I've heard today May is too soon, so expect this summer at the soonest for Sisters.

As for March, that is pretty much confirmed to be the last WFB End Times release. April is a bit up in the air right now because I don't know what could be fitting in there, but May is likely WFB 9th ed.

[DrBored]

From what I've heard today May is too soon, so expect this summer at the soonest for Sisters.

As for March, that is pretty much confirmed to be the last WFB End Times release. April is a bit up in the air right now because I don't know what could be fitting in there, but May is likely WFB 9th ed.

Read: The SoB rumors were wrong, nothing is done, nobody is working on it, and we'll just push the rumor reverb along a few more months.

[eldargal]

Read: The SoB rumors were wrong, nothing is done, nobody is working on it, and we'll just push the rumor reverb along a few more months.

More likely that as with Dark Eldar they are being worked on, but someone sees something being done and assumes a release is imminent.

[zanth]

From what I've heard today May is too soon, so expect this summer at the soonest for Sisters.

As for March, that is pretty much confirmed to be the last WFB End Times release. April is a bit up in the air right now because I don't know what could be fitting in there, but May is likely WFB 9th ed.

What did you hear that has led you to this conclusion?

[DrBored]

More likely that as with Dark Eldar they are being worked on, but someone sees something being done and assumes a release is imminent.

True, but it seems like the general 'They're being worked on' bit was from Jes Goodwin, what.. like two, three years ago? It's been some time that he said that, so it feels more and more like rumor reverb and speculation-gone-wrong than anything else.

The real worrying bit is the new rumors about Dark Angels and Chaos potentially getting new Codices. If that's the case, then we can throw out the assumption that GW would finish all hardbacks before replacing any of them, and if they start to replace hardbacks, it throws the hope of a Sisters update in the near future straight up to the wind.

I'd love to see them get updated. I've been waiting for years and years. When I first got into 40k at the twilight of 3rd edition, people told me 'Oh, don't get those, they're expensive and should get an update eventually anyway'. Well, 4 editions later...

[zanth]

True, but it seems like the general 'They're being worked on' bit was from Jes Goodwin, what.. like two, three years ago? It's been some time that he said that, so it feels more and more like rumor reverb and speculation-gone-wrong than anything else.

The real worrying bit is the new rumors about Dark Angels and Chaos potentially getting new Codices. If that's the case, then we can throw out the assumption that GW would finish all hardbacks before replacing any of them, and if they start to replace hardbacks, it throws the hope of a Sisters update in the near future straight up to the wind.

I'd love to see them get updated. I've been waiting for years and years. When I first got into 40k at the twilight of 3rd edition, people told me 'Oh, don't get those, they're expensive and should get an update eventually anyway'. Well, 4 editions later...

Technically speaking, isn't the Chaos Codex older than the digital Sisters Codex?

[DrBored]

Technically speaking, isn't the Chaos Codex older than the digital Sisters Codex?

Teeeeechnically, yeah, but you'd still think that GW would get all their hardbacks out before updating other hardbacks.

I mean, by that logic, sure, they could update Dark Angels, Chaos, and I think Tau and another (I forget) before getting back to Sisters of Battle, but each edition they mix up the order of army release, so really it's up in the air.

[deinol]

Teeeeechnically, yeah, but you'd still think that GW would get all their hardbacks out before updating other hardbacks.

I mean, by that logic, sure, they could update Dark Angels, Chaos, and I think Tau and another (I forget) before getting back to Sisters of Battle, but each edition they mix up the order of army release, so really it's up in the air.

It's mostly a matter of whether GW thinks Sisters are worthy of hardback treatment.

Then again, I never expected to see a stand alone Harlequin book, so you never know.

[Bigred]

via the birds in the trees 2-10-2015


Warhammer 40,000 Summer Campaign this year:

Sororitas and Space marines are the Imperial side

Tzeentch is the focus of the antagonists with multiple new kits:

- Plastic Lord of Change

- New Tzeentch Daemon unit

- New Tzeentch CSM unit (perhaps new plastic Thousand Sons - Rubric Marines)

Look for this campaign on the far side of WFB 9th which is occurring earlier in the year.

These rumors are rated: above average, coming from known sources

[eldargal]

Wonder if it means we will see Sororitas before summer then? Seems odd to have them as the focus of a campaign with an outdated book and ridiculously expensive metal units.

[Mr Mystery]

Seems likely.

Warhammer End Times should be week after this (end of Harlies releases I believe?), as we've already seen the odd 'leaked' pages.

Allowing for a fairly standard 3 week End Times release, that would take us to....erm...14 March with nothing solid on the horizon. Seems likely it would be 40k, given the 'taking turns' approach we're mostly seeing.

[stevegill]

Wonder if it means we will see Sororitas before summer then? Seems odd to have them as the focus of a campaign with an outdated book and ridiculously expensive metal units.
Well they were one of the starring factions in the Shield of Baal recently with their outdated book and ridiculously expensive metal units so there is precedence ;)

[Erik Setzer]

Wonder if it means we will see Sororitas before summer then? Seems odd to have them as the focus of a campaign with an outdated book and ridiculously expensive metal units.

Given that the last two campaigns have also had a boxed set with two "armies" containing plastic models, I'd doubt SoB become the focus of such a campaign without new plastic models.

The Chaos side might not have new plastic models in the box, though... the Blood Angels used existing kits even though a new unit of Terminators that was more suited to BAs was being released. I don't think they'd want to undercut those new boxed set sales with the Chaos players, so expect some Chaos units that might not be hot sellers (I'd say probably a unit of CSM, a Helbrute, a special character Sorceror, and maybe a unit of Terminators).

[JMichael]

Sisters were my secondary army (Eldar my primary) but in 7th I've been winning with them so much (including undefeated in a 9 week GW store league), that my Eldar have been shelved for now!
And I will certainly shell out the $$ for both an Adepus Sororitas collectors codex and a regular one! I already started putting money aside with a May/June goal so I can spend a bum-load on their release!

[zanth]

Seems likely.

Warhammer End Times should be week after this (end of Harlies releases I believe?), as we've already seen the odd 'leaked' pages.

Allowing for a fairly standard 3 week End Times release, that would take us to....erm...14 March with nothing solid on the horizon. Seems likely it would be 40k, given the 'taking turns' approach we're mostly seeing.

Final release week for Harlequins is indeed next week, with the transport and Codex. I kind of wish these End Times release periods were shorter. They release like one thing a week for three weeks. They could easily shorten that window, but I suppose it is a tad easier on the wallet if you are buying the stuff, especially multiples thereof in some cases. I well imagine when Sisters hit I'll be dropping several hundred dollars very quickly on new models.

[DrBored]

Wonder if it means we will see Sororitas before summer then? Seems odd to have them as the focus of a campaign with an outdated book and ridiculously expensive metal units.

My hope is that they treat it the same way they treated the Orks vs. Space Wolves campaign, where we were getting rumors of Ork releases very early on, but nothing on the Space Wolves front other than that they were involved.

Ideally, it'll be that Chaos gets their release first with the Tzeentch stuff, with the campaign book being them versus Space Marines, then the odd book in the middle that involves the Sisters, then the Sisters get their Codex release tied in with the last campaign book, or something like that.

It'd fit what they've done before, fit the rumors, and put the Sisters release probably somewhere in the middle or end of April if the Campaign starts its release in March right after End Times.

Important to note is that unless Chaos Marines gets a new book to go with those models, it means that Sisters will get a hardback before GW redoes any other hardbacks.

Edit: and as long as we're talking about unexpected releases, I didn't expect Space Wolves or Clan Raukaan to get their own separate releases, or Crimson Slaughter, or the Haemonculi Covens. Yeah these didn't really have full model releases or anything, but it seems like GW is looking across their spectrum of available armies and throwing bones wherever they can. The only one's their neglecting thus far are the Sisters of Battle and the Chaos Legions.

[Dr Cthulhu]

I'm inclined to agree with you on this. Looking at the new Harlequin minis certainly gives some hope to the chances of the plastic sisters issues finally being resolved. I can only begin to imagine how stunning the SoB will look with the versatility of plastic...

I noticed that there has been mention of the 'habit' (I forget the correct name for a nuns headpiece) being one of the issues (as well as filigree and fleur de lys) which begs me to ask the question of just how different the new Sisters will look compared to the classic minis? Will it just be a case of you can either have a bare head, helmed, or with 'nun' garb? I wonder what else will be changed? Puts me in mind of:

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[Clockwork]

What did you hear that has led you to this conclusion?

I had a reliable source on that saying May was too soon. I'm not really going to give you better than that on this one. Also with what I was told was we should be expecting a more Blanche influenced design.

EDIT:
From Natfka's comments section:


I can gurantee plastic kits for adeptus sororitas will be released within the next 18 months.. the molds are finished and production is already underway :)

[zanth]

I had a reliable source on that saying May was too soon. I'm not really going to give you better than that on this one. Also with what I was told was we should be expecting a more Blanche influenced design.


That's fair. I was just curious, was kind of a vague statement, but I get why now, thanks for the clarification.

You know, I find it a tad sad that people that post here actually know more than the reps that actually deal with the retail stores. They flat out don't tell them so they don't let things slip. I've stolen my rep's thunder by knowing about new releases before he could tell me. Poor guy.

[Erik Setzer]

That's fair. I was just curious, was kind of a vague statement, but I get why now, thanks for the clarification.

You know, I find it a tad sad that people that post here actually know more than the reps that actually deal with the retail stores. They flat out don't tell them so they don't let things slip. I've stolen my rep's thunder by knowing about new releases before he could tell me. Poor guy.

Some GW managers are stuck crawling the rumor sites on the Internet to have an idea of what's coming up. That doesn't help them push the upcoming products or plan anything around them.

[zanth]

Some GW managers are stuck crawling the rumor sites on the Internet to have an idea of what's coming up. That doesn't help them push the upcoming products or plan anything around them.

The problem is, if they don't announce stuff until the week before it comes out, that means they really don't want people knowing what's coming. It would be really nice to be able to plan out with my players more than a week ahead of time what they want. Even 3 weeks would be stellar.

[Erik Setzer]

The problem is, if they don't announce stuff until the week before it comes out, that means they really don't want people knowing what's coming. It would be really nice to be able to plan out with my players more than a week ahead of time what they want. Even 3 weeks would be stellar.

They *don't* want people knowing what's coming. They want people to make quick impulse buys, which is also why so much stuff is limited in numbers, even if it isn't called a limited edition (i.e. hardback End Times and Shield of Baal, card sets for armies).

[zanth]

They *don't* want people knowing what's coming. They want people to make quick impulse buys, which is also why so much stuff is limited in numbers, even if it isn't called a limited edition (i.e. hardback End Times and Shield of Baal, card sets for armies).

Oh, don't get me started on the Card Sets. We had several players requesting the Space Wolf Cards, and we got *ONE* set. I was pretty pissed off at that one, cuz customers come first, so I didn't get one. So many times tho, I have heard "Wow, that's really cool. If I had known that was coming I'd totally buy it."

[Erik Setzer]

Oh, don't get me started on the Card Sets. We had several players requesting the Space Wolf Cards, and we got *ONE* set. I was pretty pissed off at that one, cuz customers come first, so I didn't get one. So many times tho, I have heard "Wow, that's really cool. If I had known that was coming I'd totally buy it."

I know a GW manager who's had to get half of the End Times books as softcover because he had to help customers buy hardcovers before he could get one for himself, so I can imagine how that is. He initially even gave up his set of Lore of Undeath cards to a customer for the same reason, but I ended up with a spare set after buying an Undead army from a guy.

[zanth]

I know a GW manager who's had to get half of the End Times books as softcover because he had to help customers buy hardcovers before he could get one for himself, so I can imagine how that is. He initially even gave up his set of Lore of Undeath cards to a customer for the same reason, but I ended up with a spare set after buying an Undead army from a guy.

Wow, that's pretty crap. I've had to fight to get allocations of even one of some stuff. My Rep(s) are really great guys, I'm not putting this on them. But it can be really frustrating. Or like when they put up that Void Shield Generator, only 1000 available, none to stores.... I had two guys that wanted one, but couldn't be online to order them when they went up because they're responsible adults with day jobs.

When SoB get their stuff, I will fight my customers for the Datacards, and I will get the LE Codex. Assuming they deem them worth one. Maybe it'll be like the Harlequin Codex that has the datacards included with it. Would be nice.

[DrBored]

Wow, that's pretty crap. I've had to fight to get allocations of even one of some stuff. My Rep(s) are really great guys, I'm not putting this on them. But it can be really frustrating. Or like when they put up that Void Shield Generator, only 1000 available, none to stores.... I had two guys that wanted one, but couldn't be online to order them when they went up because they're responsible adults with day jobs.

When SoB get their stuff, I will fight my customers for the Datacards, and I will get the LE Codex. Assuming they deem them worth one. Maybe it'll be like the Harlequin Codex that has the datacards included with it. Would be nice.

When SoB finally get their stuff, I don't think I could justify getting so ravenous over all the 'extras' that GW tries to push. I'd be happy enough just with the hardback codex, and save the rest of my money for more miniatures :D

I'm already planning on making a joint force with my Space Sharks. The Sharks will bring all the plasma they can, while the Sisters of Orcinus will bring all the melta I can take.

[daboarder]

via Nightfury on Faeit 212
I can guarantee plastic kits for adeptus sororitas will be released within the next 18 months.. the molds are finished and production is already underway :)

Nightfury has been reasonably solid before

[DrBored]

Nightfury has been reasonably solid before

18 months is a big slice of time. What else could they do in that slice of time? Sure there's End Times, which should take a couple months on its own, so that leaves 16 months, and if we divide that in half between warhammer Fantasy, then that's 8 months of potential 'other' 40k content that could come out between now and a Sisters of Battle release.

Maybe I'm just being pessimistic, but as soon as I see a hardback that's already been put out get updated/replaced before SoB, I'm going to die a little inside.

[Charistoph]

18 months is a big slice of time. What else could they do in that slice of time? Sure there's End Times, which should take a couple months on its own, so that leaves 16 months, and if we divide that in half between warhammer Fantasy, then that's 8 months of potential 'other' 40k content that could come out between now and a Sisters of Battle release.

Maybe I'm just being pessimistic, but as soon as I see a hardback that's already been put out get updated/replaced before SoB, I'm going to die a little inside.

18 months fits the rumor back in the fall that Sisters were 2 years out. Also, Fall is usually when they make their riskiest 40K releases to allow for Christmas and the rest of the fiscal year to help balance out a potential failure.

Look at when Dark Eldar and Necrons were released for their huge model revamps.

[DrBored]

18 months fits the rumor back in the fall that Sisters were 2 years out. Also, Fall is usually when they make their riskiest 40K releases to allow for Christmas and the rest of the fiscal year to help balance out a potential failure.

Look at when Dark Eldar and Necrons were released for their huge model revamps.

Good point. If the rumors of a summer campaign are true, and Sisters are involved, perhaps they'll be released near the end of that campaign, which would be towards the fall anyway.

Time will tell. I've been waiting since 3rd edition. I can wait a few more years.

[BlackTalos]

Hey all, this one is happening tomorrow, thought it could do with a heads up:
http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?52557-Sisters-of-Battle-GW-appeal

The planned rally day for showing GW that there is support for sisters is almost here.

For those that don't know, the idea is that gamers will simultaneously purchase a model (or more if you wish) from the Adepta Sororitas range via the webstore in order to show GW that the community continues to enjoy sisters and that a new range is viable. Games Workshop is a business and if there is one way to make a business take notice it is by doing something unexpected with their sales figures.

This will take place on March 4th at:
8am PST (Pacific)
10am CST (Central)
11am EST (Eastern
4pm GMT (UK)
5pm CET (Europe)

Please then photograph your mini when you've completed it and send the picture to white dwarf's inbox (as they request you to!) at: [email protected] - this will further raise awareness of the rally.

Thanks to all!

[DrBored]

hey all, this one is happening tomorrow, thought it could do with a heads up:
http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?52557-sisters-of-battle-gw-appeal

the planned rally day for showing gw that there is support for sisters is almost here.

For those that don't know, the idea is that gamers will simultaneously purchase a model (or more if you wish) from the adepta sororitas range via the webstore in order to show gw that the community continues to enjoy sisters and that a new range is viable. Games workshop is a business and if there is one way to make a business take notice it is by doing something unexpected with their sales figures.

This will take place on march 4th at:
8am pst (pacific)
10am cst (central)
11am est (eastern
4pm gmt (uk)
5pm cet (europe)

please then photograph your mini when you've completed it and send the picture to white dwarf's inbox (as they request you to!) at: [email protected] - this will further raise awareness of the rally.

Thanks to all!

I am SO ready for this.

[zanth]

HAs there really been nothing new in the last month? The first 6 weeks were so ripe with promising "news," but now nothing? That makes this guys really sad...

[Charistoph]

HAs there really been nothing new in the last month? The first 6 weeks were so ripe with promising "news," but now nothing? That makes this guys really sad...

Some rumors are not worth the paper they are printed on. It happens.

Also, some of these rumors are really far out in release, and with a lot of other things noted as coming first, the rumor mill just doesn't have enough to work with.

[DrBored]

HAs there really been nothing new in the last month? The first 6 weeks were so ripe with promising "news," but now nothing? That makes this guys really sad...

Sadly yes. After the Sisters of Battle release got debunked, all the wannabe-rumormongers and speculators-mistaken-for-rumormongers stepped off for fear of being called out.

All we have is.. 18 months. Maybe. But more and more it's sounding like we'll get Space Marines and Tau and Eldar first, which makes me very nervous.

[zanth]

Sadly yes. After the Sisters of Battle release got debunked, all the wannabe-rumormongers and speculators-mistaken-for-rumormongers stepped off for fear of being called out.

All we have is.. 18 months. Maybe. But more and more it's sounding like we'll get Space Marines and Tau and Eldar first, which makes me very nervous.

When did it get debunked? I thought there were a lot of solid things saying it was supposed to be fairly soon. I must have totally missed something... and now I am really sad.

[DrBored]

When did it get debunked? I thought there were a lot of solid things saying it was supposed to be fairly soon. I must have totally missed something... and now I am really sad.

Nightfury, Hastings, and Lords of Wargaming have all said no Sisters this year.

[Kirsten]

debunked is a little strong, rumours of it being this year are unlikely, but the range has been worked on for a long time now.

[zanth]

I don't actively know who those people are. Valid enough to offset everything that said the models were in production, codex was done rumours?

[DrBored]

debunked is a little strong, rumours of it being this year are unlikely, but the range has been worked on for a long time now.

And yet, for a range that's been in the works for so long, nothing solid or reliable. My thinking is that once a rumor becomes older than two years, we really shouldn't regard it as valid.


I don't actively know who those people are. Valid enough to offset everything that said the models were in production, codex was done rumours?

In my mind, absolutely. I think those rumors about them being in production and a Codex being done were speculation or rumor reverb. We've been getting a lot of that with Sisters.

[thegoldend6]

Sisters of Battle: the forgotten child of the 41st Millennium.

[deinol]

I want sisters to be released about 6 months from now once my budget has recovered from Harlequins.

[Kirsten]

And yet, for a range that's been in the works for so long, nothing solid or reliable. My thinking is that once a rumor becomes older than two years, we really shouldn't regard it as valid.

it isn't a rumour though, we know GW are working on Sisters.

[daboarder]

no all we know is that Jes mentioned that the sleeve robes wouldnt work in plastic as they currently were designed and that was about 4 years ago

ediT;And that he was taking a break before his "next" project after DE (Which, given h is the resident eldar expert , ok anything expert, may have been plastic harlie's

[eldargal]

it isn't a rumour though, we know GW are working on Sisters.

Yup, just like we knew DE were being worked on from Jes Goodwins mouth (both times) and people still said up until the photos of the first models were leaked that they were going to be squatted. People won't stop believing SoB are done for until the revamp comes.

[Mr Mystery]

Sisters have already received more support than DE got between their first and second book.

No, it's not a massive amount of kits, but it's still new toys. Immolator in plastic, additional sculpts for the infantry and Seraphim, Penitent Engines, those lass' with the Eviscerators. Two books (2nd Sisters kicked it off proper. Then you had Witch Hunters, and now the digital edition Codex). All far more than DE got (which was a single update to a very early codex) until they got properly seen to.

[Mud Duck]

Sisters have already received more support than DE got between their first and second book.

No, it's not a massive amount of kits, but it's still new toys. Immolator in plastic, additional sculpts for the infantry and Seraphim, Penitent Engines, those lass' with the Eviscerators. Two books (2nd Sisters kicked it off proper. Then you had Witch Hunters, and now the digital edition Codex). All far more than DE got (which was a single update to a very early codex) until they got properly seen to.


SHUUUUUSSSSHHHHH!!!!!!!!!:D

The digital codex really doesn't count as an upgrade, the Sisters lost abit of the cool 'fuffy' stuff from the previous codexes, (cough)Brazier of Holy Flame(cough), and made them into something like Space Marines lite. Plastic minis in this line are needed, if not for the Sisters, then think of those poor, poor, Penitent Engines.

[DrBored]

Sisters have already received more support than DE got between their first and second book.

No, it's not a massive amount of kits, but it's still new toys. Immolator in plastic, additional sculpts for the infantry and Seraphim, Penitent Engines, those lass' with the Eviscerators. Two books (2nd Sisters kicked it off proper. Then you had Witch Hunters, and now the digital edition Codex). All far more than DE got (which was a single update to a very early codex) until they got properly seen to.

I still don't count the Digital Codex, and I bought it and read through it from beginning to end. No, it's not a bad Codex, but my problem has never been the codex.

The problem is that now over half the Sisters of Battle models are unavailable or out of stock. The best you can do is order one-offs, and if you want to make a full army, all of your battle sisters with bolters are all going to look exactly the same because only one model exists. And good luck getting a full squad of Seraphim or Celestians.

Just like with Chaos Marines, I really don't know what Games Workshop is doing with these ranges, but I guess it's all a part of the bigger plan. They have to publish 9th edition, cover their butts with a Space Marine codex, and then after a year or more, they can do riskier things, especially if Fantasy is a success.

[Mr Mystery]

Point was they got more stuff between releases than DE got - and everyone knew they'd been squatted :p

[deinol]

Just like with Chaos Marines, I really don't know what Games Workshop is doing with these ranges, but I guess it's all a part of the bigger plan. They have to publish 9th edition, cover their butts with a Space Marine codex, and then after a year or more, they can do riskier things, especially if Fantasy is a success.

What's wrong with the Space Marine Codex? It's barely more than a year old, and does exactly what it needs to do.

[DrBored]

What's wrong with the Space Marine Codex? It's barely more than a year old, and does exactly what it needs to do.

Nothing is wrong with it, but Space Marines are their money maker. Anything they can do to update Space Marines and give them shiny new toys is almost a guaranteed sell. Warhammer Fantasy 9th edition is going to be a huge risk and huge investment, and by updating their most popular ranges (which right now are Space Marines, Tau, and Eldar, which also happen to be rumored to be coming up this year) they can cover their butts if 9th edition goes south.

[Bigred]

via Birds in the Trees 3-15-2015


Sororitas Rundown:

- R&D on the entire line is complete, and the range is all new in plastic.
- 5-model combo-unit Sisters infantry kit
- 3 model Sisters unit on 50mm bases kit
- 5 model Sisters unit on 32mm bases kit (different from the infantry unit listed above)
- Sororitas combo unit vehicle kit "A" kit
- Sororitas combo unit vehicle kit "B" kit
- Sororitas Walker/Monstrous Creature vehicle kit
- 3 clampack Sororitas characters

These are on ice and only await release scheduling by GW.

These rumors are rated: PROBABLE coming from known reliable sources.

[DarkLink]

I'm hoping battle sisters are still on 25s, seraphim are 32s, and that they get a cool new unit for the 50s. I've got a bunch of 25mm micro art studio bases I'd rather not waste.

[daboarder]

I'm hoping battle sisters are still on 25s, seraphim are 32s, and that they get a cool new unit for the 50s. I've got a bunch of 25mm micro art studio bases I'd rather not waste.

just a note, most basing companies are working on a 25-32 expansion ring, I know I will be using them when my CSMs are inevitably upgraded. Though I am also tempted just to keep using the 25s I think the 32s are ridiculous

- - - Updated - - -

I really want the rumours to be true but I dont believe them

[deinol]

just a note, most basing companies are working on a 25-32 expansion ring, I know I will be using them when my CSMs are inevitably upgraded. Though I am also tempted just to keep using the 25s I think the 32s are ridiculous


I'm fine with 32 for jump troops, but I'm never going to rebase existing models. And regular marines will always be 25mm for me.

Of course, I still have my Avatar on a square base, which he came with many years ago.

[daboarder]

I'm fine with 32 for jump troops, but I'm never going to rebase existing models. And regular marines will always be 25mm for me.

Of course, I still have my Avatar on a square base, which he came with many years ago.

its a sometime thing for me, I could do the rings for my marines. But the Fex oval and the 50 mm Warriors from deathstorm look super stupid on their ungainly MASSIVE rings of plastic. Mine went unashamedly on some spare regular sized bases.

[Houghten]

These rumors are rated: PROBABLE coming from known reliable sources.

You just roll a d6 for the rating, don't you?

[Charistoph]

So Sisters may be getting Centurions?

Interesting...

Still, one unit on 25, one unit on 32. Base and Veteran Sisters on 25 makes sense. Seraphim on 32 also makes sense. So, where would the Repentia go? They wouldn't work on 50 unless they are made a Swarm...

[Kirsten]

via Birds in the Trees 3-15-2015



These rumors are rated: PROBABLE coming from known reliable sources.

awesome

[zanth]

I really hope so. :) That sounds awesome.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

C'monnnnnn...

When Sisters hit, whenever that is, I'm doing an army of them.

[DrBored]

C'monnnnnn...

When Sisters hit, whenever that is, I'm doing an army of them.

Along with a lot of other people, myself included, if they'd just RELEASE ALREADY.

[daboarder]

yup, already have extensive plans for an army of shieldmaidens and valkyries

[DarkLink]

You just roll a d6 for the rating, don't you?

Believe it or not, there are actually rumor guys who are frequently correct, no matter how much internet armchair experts like to talk ****.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

There is also a lot of nonsense, man. How's that Archaon on Galrauch kit?

I try to take them on (what I see as their) merit. There's enough consistent chatter about Sisters to make me feel positively about their chances in the near-to-mid future.

[DrBored]

There is also a lot of nonsense, man. How's that Archaon on Galrauch kit?

This. They ended the end times without a new model for the biggest bad of the end times, the harbinger himself? WTF?

[Cap'nSmurfs]

To be fair, that Archaon model that exists is one of the best they do. And there's something cool about the Final Boss of Warhammer being a (huge) guy on a (daemonic) horse.

[DrBored]

To be fair, that Archaon model that exists is one of the best they do. And there's something cool about the Final Boss of Warhammer being a (huge) guy on a (daemonic) horse.

Yeah but, resin? I mean, at least it's not metal any more, and amazingly it's not web-only.

Oh wait, it IS web-only.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm -judgmental stare-

[DarkLink]

There is also a lot of nonsense, man. How's that Archaon on Galrauch kit?

I try to take them on (what I see as their) merit. There's enough consistent chatter about Sisters to make me feel positively about their chances in the near-to-mid future.

That there are inaccurate rumor sources does not mean that there aren't any accurate ones. That occasionally a rumor doesn't pan out because plans behind the scenes frequently change without us ever knowing does not mean that the source who sees what gw is working on is a liar. That some rumors are little more than "I saw something that looked a lot like x" does not mean that they promised that x would absolutely unquestionably come out next week without fail. You people take it so personally every time rumors aren't 100% accurate...

[Charistoph]

That there are inaccurate rumor sources does not mean that there aren't any accurate ones. That occasionally a rumor doesn't pan out because plans behind the scenes frequently change without us ever knowing does not mean that the source who sees what gw is working on is a liar. That some rumors are little more than "I saw something that looked a lot like x" does not mean that they promised that x would absolutely unquestionably come out next week without fail. You people take it so personally every time rumors aren't 100% accurate...

Harry on Warseer saw the new Deathwing models and thought they were new Black Templar models, for example.

Still, when someone has a reputation for posting any rumor, no matter the credulity, it tends to reduce their affect.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

I'm not saying there are no accurate rumour sources. I'm saying that there are plenty of inaccurate ones. It's not just occasionally that "things don't pan out... because plans behind the scenes frequently change" though. There are things which are made up (or, more charitably, were just speculation). There's no Blood Bowl box. Forge World isn't available in stores yet, although we've been told it's imminent on about eight separate occasions now. There's no Galrauch and Archaon kit. That wasn't just misidentification, it was misinformation. (Which is not to say that the people who provided it are "liars", just that they were wrong).

All the rest I agree with. I know a lot of the incorrect (or not fully correct) stuff is not down to malice but people seeing quick snippets of things and misremembering or misinterpreting, or not reading thoroughly (because of time constraints or language difficulties, etc.). All I try to do is take things on merit, combine new information with old and see what's likely and what's not. I've been wrong numerous times (I didn't believe Astra Militarum!). There are definitely people out there who know what's up and are trustworthy, and I think we're all grateful to them (for ex.: I'm inclined to believe the consistent Sisters chatter because of its consistency and because it fits into expectations that Sisters are being worked on and what redone armies have tended to look like; it looks a lot like we really are getting Mechanicum very soon; I'm hanging on the words of the trustworthy sources for Fantasy Battles rumours and speculation right now, too).

But that all of the above is the case doesn't then mean it's not the case that there is also misinformation, whether malicious or benign. That's why we call them rumours, not information. What annoys me (and this only happens now and then) is the suspicion that some people will post any old **** without giving it any thought.

The other part which gets me is the way people then start arguing about rumours, or rumoured changes, before they're confirmed or before the full information is available. This even happens with stuff that is fully accurate. In that manner rumours can be actively toxic to the community. So: it's by and large a blessing that we have people who know things or suspect things and are willing to share them, but it's not purely a blessing.

[Kirsten]

always makes me laugh when rumours are proven false and somebody says 'oh the schedule was changed last minute'. Given that White Dwarf used to be printed six months in advance, pretty hard to get a last minute change. I know it dropped to three months, and might be less now with the weekly issues, I don't know, but it still rules out last minute changes.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

always makes me laugh when rumours are proven false and somebody says 'oh the schedule was changed last minute'. Given that White Dwarf used to be printed six months in advance, pretty hard to get a last minute change. I know it dropped to three months, and might be less now with the weekly issues, I don't know, but it still rules out last minute changes.

It wouldn't surprise me in the new weekly format if they did allow for some things to be changed or swapped, but it's probably only smaller releases like the necron and grey knight codex releases more than larger multi-week releases.