What Other Special Characters Should be Lords of War?

[Defenestratus]

The seemingly confirmation of Ghaz as a Lord of War has me thinking "Who else deserves this honor?" Out of the two armies I play (only one I love) I can only think of 2 honestly.

Dante, and the Sanguinor.

For Eldar, I was thinking that perhaps Eldrad, but he's not really a monster like Ghaz is... if the Phoenix lords were to get new models, get buffed statlines.. I could see them becoming Lords of War...

Who else do you think should be the next special character LoW?

[Charon]

CSM: Abbadon (obvious)
Eldar: Avatar (as he is one per Craftworld anyway)
Dark Eldar: Vect with his Dais of Destruction

[Harley]

None.

This is a slippery slope. Putting beloved special characters into LoW slots legitimizing LoW and means that more and more people will want to run them in standard games. After all, how can you fault an Ork player for wanting to use Ghazkull when he wasn't a LoW in the previous codex and if he can take a LoW then you might as well too...

I don't want every game of 40k to turn in low point Apocalypse.

On the other side of the coin, change all 200+ point character models into LoW and then only use them for special themed games. Makes a lot of sense honestly... why should Ghazkull be in every battle. Why is Mephiston leading every Blood Angel army you see these days. Doesn't make sense.

[Caitsidhe]

Be'Lakor has the power to take out an Imperial Knight one on one. I don't know if that qualifies him as a Lord of War, but it has to count for something. :D

[Mr.Pickelz]

A Warhound or Reaver Titan as a LOW for the Knight's codex would be hilarious...

[DrLove42]

Should have 2 versions of him in book.

A normal version for 40K and a super fluff matching one for apoc or LoW.

As for who would be good....Abaddon and chapter masters as combat LoW. Characters like Vect would be more suited to be no better in terms of stats but bring a crap ton of extra buffs to the army

[DarkLink]

Draaaiiiiiigggooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tomgar]

Vect. Easily. Unless he runs into +2, he's an utter monster. I've heard of him winning games practically on his own. Plus, he's just plain badass.

Vect even moreso if he's on the Dais, as Charon said.

[Mr Mystery]

Any and all named Chapter Masters.

Not only is there only one of each in the Galaxy, but also one of each per Chapter. Company Masters are 10 a penny (puntastic!).

Also means you can make them ridiculously hard.

As for this 'legitimising' Lords of War.....erm.....that was done already. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean they require further justification for everyone else.

[Tomgar]

I literally don't think I've played a game without a Lord of War on one end of the table since escalation hit. They've just become part of the landscape of the game for me.

[Dalleron]

I think all chapter masters should be lords of war, at least of the original legions. Think of the power they have at their command. Mega buffs or straight up combat monster. Abaddon should be too, he seems woefully underpowered on the table top compared to what I've read in the books. I'd agree with the Sanguinor and the Avatar. All the really big tyranid ones should be to, in my mind.

[telenikros]

if you are going to class legion lords of Lords of war, then they would have to be so buffed up at people have said, compering the likes of Abaddon to what is in the http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/L/lordsofwar.pdf list of what is a Lord of war, Abaddon doesn't come near to An'ggrath or the other Lords of war and with you only being able to take 1, i know which one i would take

[OverwatchCNC]

the Primarchs. At this point why the hell not...

[Mr Mystery]

the Primarchs. At this point why the hell not...

Already are.

Indeed, seeing as Horus Heresy Vol 1, Betrayal predates Escalation, Primarchs are very much the original Lords of War.

And absolutely ded 'ard on the battlefield too. But far from unkillable.

[Rough Touch]

Draaaiiiiiigggooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He is a demon slayer so Lord of war I guess so! but good v orks?

[Coffeepirate]

The Swarmlord, surely?

[Andrew Thomas]

Any and all named Chapter Masters.

Not only is there only one of each in the Galaxy, but also one of each per Chapter. Company Masters are 10 a penny (puntastic!).

Also means you can make them ridiculously hard.

As for this 'legitimising' Lords of War.....erm.....that was done already. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean they require further justification for everyone else.

I agree with that last point, and if you ask me, disallowing LoW units, as limited as their availability in battle-forged list is, is an unnecessary handicap on casual play. Now, if your TO doesn't want LoWs throwing off the tournament meta, that's their prerogative.

As to who should be a LoW, generally, anyone that has/had a vehicle stat line would be a good start (I.e. Samiel, Karamazov, Bjorn). Anyone that doesn't really "lead" an army (Lelith, Khârn, Ahriman, Fabius, Rakarth, Drazhar) would also fit. As for generic LoWs, loose Specialist ICs would be good, especially Vehicle Characters or MC characters. Anyone who can't keep your troops in line but can give an edge in whichever phase they're optimized for.

[This Dave]

Sly Marbo. He's just that much of a badass. :)

[dirkspair]

well, i am not sure that we would see them any less, i would welcome making my CM a LOW and run 2 libbies as HQs. might not have a big doodad but still suits me just fine.

[epicwargamer]

I literally don't think I've played a game without a Lord of War on one end of the table since escalation hit. They've just become part of the landscape of the game for me.

This is me, and I do not mind.

[Anggul]

None of them. Who wants to have to pay out for another HQ on top of their already very expensive big fancy special HQ?

[daboarder]

None of them. Who wants to have to pay out for another HQ on top of their already very expensive big fancy special HQ?

This.

Either this will be silly.

Or GW will boost the rules for the low characters lat re r and orks are stuffed

[Demonus]

If they are going to do that, Id rather see a "Lord of War" statline, and a "regular toned down 40k" statline.

[Halollet]

Sly Marbo. He's just that much of a badass. :)
You beate too it. I would love to see marbo come back as the ultimate commando.

[Force21]

Hmm...

Lords of War should not only be Monsters on there own but maybe buff or enable some kinda of buff maybe a army wide like Chapter tactics or like just his unit gets X...something like that.


I would have to make a list...


Space Marines.
Calgar & Lysander a must...they are pretty beast at the moment, perhaps Khan, Vukan, Helbrecht & Shrike. I could see the LoW's get quite a few more Wounds, Attacks, It will not die, stuff like that.

Imperial Guard.
Yarrick, Straken & maybe Creed...because he is a pretty epic character & he can ruin a army with a few good orders...

Sisters of Battle.
The Saint.

Blood Angels.
Dante hands down! the oldest Chapter Master...& I could see the Sanguinor too.

Space Wolves.
Logan Grimnar easily. Bjorn the Fell-Handed a Space Marine from the Age of the Emperor? no doubt.

Dark Angels.
Grand Master Azrael & maybe Sammael & Belial.

Grey Knights.
Draigo...maybe Stern & Crowe.

Chaos Space Marines.
Abaddon The Despoiler, Typhus, Ahriman, Lucius & Kharn.

Chaos Demons.
Skarbrand, Fateweaver, Epidimius...is there a epic Slaanesh character...?

Orks.
Ghazghkull...well...you know.

Tyranids.
Swarmlord & maybe Old One Eye...you know the named Bugs...

Eldar.
All the Phoenix Lords & Avatar of Khaine...maybe Eldrad, he is 10,000 years old.

Dark Eldar.
Vect I can see being a LoW...maybe some of the other ones...Lelith, Urien...etc.

Tau.
Hmmm...Farsight? maybe Aun'Va or a Riptide character...?

Necrons.
Imotekh The Stormlord & maybe bring back the named C'tan...like more powerful shards, that have more power of the original C'tan like Deceiver & Nightbringer.


they would all have to be close to what Primarchs are like a 6's across the statline...some of the above already do...if not more crazy OP statlines...

Like Calgar...is stats are pretty good...all he would need is It Will Not Die, extra wound, attack...stuff that makes him stand out then a regular Chapter Master, Captain...which maybe be a LoW too...


these guys should not be cheap points wise...300+ points.

they should be able to take on a good chunk of a army...or what Ferrus Manus kinda has...lowers the Strength of shots at him...

maybe something like that or if basic line troops can't kill em as easy...like Lysander should not die to Mob of Orks...in the fluff he would be just smashing though them like nothing...Mob of Nobz and/or Warboss? now that I see that giving him a run for is money...

[John Bower]

Not sure about characters; don't even think Gazza should be. Wraithknight though; now that really should have been a GMC. It's as big as a Knight Titan; yet only a normal MC? Really?

[Garradh]

If they are going to do that, Id rather see a "Lord of War" statline, and a "regular toned down 40k" statline.

+1 to this. I don't like the idea of LoW special characters flopping around everywhere. They already have a slot - it's called HQ.

[Halollet]

Hmm...
Tyranids.
Swarmlord & maybe Old One Eye...you know the named Bugs...


Old One Eye almost needs this. He's suppose to be this ageless, ultimate, indestructible, monster but right now he's just a carnifex that ended up in the HQ section. Give him lots of wounds and some sort of crazy regeneration.

[Merellin]

Hmm...

Chaos Demons.
Skarbrand, Fateweaver, Epidimius...is there a epic Slaanesh character...?


I think you mean Ku'gath Plaguefather as he is the nurgle greater daemon character. Epidemius is only a simple Herald.

Sorry.. Just had to add my thoughts.. XD

Also, I dont realy think any special character should be a Lord of War..

[SON OF ROMULOUS]

none of them should be a lord of war you were only ever able to take one of them to begin with they are called special characters for a reason. and if you keep this up all you will end up with is players using unbound lists. so yes please go ahead and continue to ruin the game and attempting to make special characters lords of war...

[John Bower]

none of them should be a lord of war you were only ever able to take one of them to begin with they are called special characters for a reason. and if you keep this up all you will end up with is players using unbound lists. so yes please go ahead and continue to ruin the game and attempting to make special characters lords of war...

+1 to this; Lords of War was a daft idea anyhow; a clear marketing ploy no less that was so blatant it hurt. They should have remained 'Super Heavies' and remained in Apocalypse; at least Escalation 'tried' to balance them; now they are silly especially as it's harder to hurt them with D class weapons getting toned down too.

[SON OF ROMULOUS]

For me it's just that it makes no sense when you think about it. A lord or war as I see it is a representation of a titan a tank a primarch. I mean what's next a greater deamon as a lord of war? because if an ork is a lord of war then you will certianly see thoes following suite. It just reminds me to much of 4th edition when they make you ask for permission. like take me for example i have over the years been building an imperial fists force i am up to 500ish points on them and have yet to paint my lysander i tried it sucked to i stripped it.. but the force is built around the idea of him leading an imperial fist crusade fleet. now if these people had their wish i would have to make him a lord of war and then ontop of that buy another HQ to fufill my force org requirements. what if i only want to have a 1st company captain... why do i need to take another character to fufill that role? and seriously gazkull is not on the same power level as a titan. To me that's a lord of war a walking or tracked engine of destruction.

[Skoolstah]

I dunno, having Lucius the Eternal as a Lord of War would be pretty cool.

[Protoman2k]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Mephiston as a LoW.