So Librarians with Force Staves can be pretty awesome in CC

[bluepowerade]

I don't think I've seen this posted anywhere, but biomancy really improved the close combat potential of the humble marine librarian, in particular Tigurius. With Iron arm and a force stave, your librarian can be rolling at str 9 ap 2 at initiative with a toughness of 7 (And concussive). Throw in a possible warp speed and/or endurance and you have an absolute combat monster on your hands.

I am getting Tigurius now so I can try this out. I've always wanted my librarians to be more of a threat in CC :)

[ElectricPaladin]

Where do you get AP 2? Force staves are AP 4. It's pretty much the only thing that sucks about them.

[bluepowerade]

Smash from Iron Arm. Their one flaw resolved.

[ElectricPaladin]

Smash from Iron Arm. Their one flaw resolved.

Ooh… sexy. Thanks for setting me straight.

[Dalleron]

Then you better hope your one attack hits because that's all your getting, if smash does now what I'm lead to believe it does.

[Archon Charybdis]

Then you better hope your one attack hits because that's all your getting, if smash does now what I'm lead to believe it does.

It does not. If you choose to double your S and re-roll to penetrate, THEN you're reduced to one attack. Clearly there'd be more of an outcry if every MC in the game suddenly were reduced to one attac.

[bluepowerade]

It does not. If you choose to double your S and re-roll to penetrate, THEN you're reduced to one attack. Clearly there'd be more of an outcry if every MC in the game suddenly were reduced to one attac.

Exactly. As it stands, you get at least 3 attacks with a librarian. 4 for Tiggy. 6 and 7 with Warp Speed respectively. And at T7, challenges and high strength weapons aren't as scary for your Librarian without an Invuln.

[ElectricPaladin]

Yeah... guys, this is awesome. Three 9/2 attacks at Initiative are pretty incredible. Heck, if you're rocking Blood Angels and have a priest nearby, you're throwing 10/2 attacks. You're basically Lysander, but blue.

[RGilbert26]

Don't forget that wounds roll over into the enemy unit, so if they fail their invul or don't have one then you're looking at at least 7 or 8 dead straight away.

[bluepowerade]

Don't forget that wounds roll over into the enemy unit, so if they fail their invul or don't have one then you're looking at at least 7 or 8 dead straight away.

Ah yes! I forgot about that. Can go through a unit virtually on their own!

And don't forget about the monstrosity that is Mephiston. With Iron arm he is like a faster Great Unclean One. He likes most any biomancy power but Hemorrhage.

[RGilbert26]

Can't remember where I saw it but I read somewhere that a few people were saying that GK get instant death shooting, er no they don't. That Force power only works on weapons with Force, so melee only.

[bluepowerade]

Can't remember where I saw it but I read somewhere that a few people were saying that GK get instant death shooting, er no they don't. That Force power only works on weapons with Force, so melee only.

Nope. Although it is easier for them to all activate their force weapons.

I'm a bit bummed they can't get biomancy... Draigo with it would just be silly haha

[Katharon]

You're basically Lysander, but blue.

That's a horrifying thought and image.

[Defenestratus]

Yeah, I'm tossing all of my dispell dice at iron arm.

[Archon Charybdis]

Yeah, I'm tossing all of my dispell dice at iron arm.

Still kills me that it's a 1 WC spell. Would've been reasonable if they'd made it either to S or T.

[bluepowerade]

Still kills me that it's a 1 WC spell. Would've been reasonable if they'd made it either to S or T.

Yeah for the auto +3 and ap2, it really should have been more.

Another fun one is the librarian on a bike. Str 9 and Toughness 8. Like a lightning fast great unclean one!

[DarkLink]

Nope. Although it is easier for them to all activate their force weapons.

I'm a bit bummed they can't get biomancy... Draigo with it would just be silly haha

Draigo can get Precognition.