Greater Daemon summoning & Killed from Perils

[Alessander]

If a psyker successfully casts Posession, and the psyker kills himself through Perils when attempting to summon the Daemon, is the GD still conjured? Ie is removing a non-perils-killed caster from play a requirement to successfully conjuring the GD?

[katanarahl]

So possession reads:
Possesion is a conjuration with range of 6" that creates one of the following (greater daemons). Rules blah... If this power if successfully manifested the psyker is removed as a casualty....

So you summon daemon then psyker dies so if psyker is alrwady dead its doesnt matter as it happens second. The pwrils rules also state that the power manifest anyway so yeh go ahead and kill your psyker before you summon your gd you get it anyeay.

Narratively this is the psyker just finding a different way to kill himself before summoning the daemon. More than one way to kskin a cat hehe

Sorry about bad spelling on phone and can barely see screen

[charliemachina]

I read it that the Psyker gets possessed by a greater daemon and then the daemon is hit by the perils as a result of the psyker lousing control mid summons!

Cheers

Charlie

[Alessander]

I found clairification. On the Perils chart, it says the the spell is successfully cast regardless if the caster is killed by perils.

@Charlie - Conjuring means it's summoned within a distance. The Perils won't impact the summoned unit.

[sfshilo]

perils is before the conjuring. you need a model to sacrifice for this power to work.

It's no different then the herald power, you can perils, but if there are no models to trade in for the herald you are DOA.

[Charon]

perils is before the conjuring. you need a model to sacrifice for this power to work.


Source?

[DWest]

The current wording of both Sacrifice and Possession both say "[Power] is a Conjuration that creates a [Herald/Greater] within 6 of the caster." first, and *then* "If the power is successfully manifested, inflict 1 Wound to a friendly model within 6 (Sacrifice) / remove the Psyker from play (Possession)". The inflicted wound is a side-effect of the power successfully activating, so yes, even if the Psyker blows his own head off, the Daemon still arrives. Technically speaking, with the order of operations, you could end up having to put the Wound from Sacrifice on the Herald you just summoned, if no other friendly models are available.

[sfshilo]

I was referring to possesion not the herald power.

It says to remove the unit and create x, x being the greater daemon you select.

No unit, no possession.

Agreed on the herald, that power just requires a wound after it goes off.

[DWest]

I was referring to possesion not the herald power.

It says to remove the unit and create x, x being the greater daemon you select.

No unit, no possession.

Agreed on the herald, that power just requires a wound after it goes off.
The problem though, is Possession isn't worded that way. It specifically says "If the power is successfully manifested, remove the Pskyer as a casualty." In other words, it's "If you get the Daemon, remove the Psyker", not "If you remove the Psyker, you get the Daemon". It probably *should* be the other way around, for fairness' sake, but it's not, according to the current wording in the book. I say current, because it's possible this will get outright changed by an FAQ, depending on how loud the backlash is.