A Song of Ice and Fire thread

[Wildeybeast]

For discussion on all things ASoIaF, written, televisual and other.

The rules:
1) Spoilers from the show are only allowed after the UK edition has aired (that's 9pm Monday GMT). Those in the colonies, please take note.
2) Spoilers from the books are allowed. If you don't want them, don't visit the thread or visit your local bookstore. They've been out long enough. :p
3) No angry shouty arguments. This is a fan appreciation page, nothing more.

[Gotthammer]

1) Spoilers from the show are only allowed after the UK edition has aired (that's 9pm Monday GMT). Those in the colonies, please take note.

We're not the spoilers, you're the spoilers by making the rest of us wait and ruining our ability to talk about it!

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[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

And Old Woman Tyrell would be completely okay with that. Probably.

[eldargal]

We're not the spoilers, you're the spoilers by making the rest of us wait and ruining our ability to talk about it!

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Brilliant.

[Gotthammer]

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Also I'm agreeing with the idea that they should recast Daario Nahaaris every season with no explanation or reason.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Until they get him right.

[Gotthammer]

Nope, just a new guy every season. Besides, a blue bearded, golden moustachioed, rainbow clad dude would be idiotic on screen.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

It'd be the embodiment of Sweden.

[Gotthammer]

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[Wildeybeast]

We're not the spoilers, you're the spoilers by making the rest of us wait and ruining our ability to talk about it!]

I assure you it isn't through choice.

[DrLove42]

I tend to watch mine about 5 on a Monday online...so I beat the UK too :P

Enjoying this season. Need to read more of the books, just not been in reading mood. Had planned to get ahead of the show before it started, so having to make a new plan...

[Denzark]

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I would much rather have seen Fat Belwas fighting then dumping on their champion...

[Chronowraith]

Even though I've read most of the books (Still need to pick up Dance of Dragons) I couldn't help but think this during the scene where Mormont offered to be her champion...

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[SecondJames]

I just had the most amazing idea-

What if Bran

Can control Dany's dragons?

[Wildeybeast]

Well, wargs seem able to control any animal. I guess it would depend on how strong willed the dragons are and whether they have a magical exemption clause. But it could be a pretty cool prospect.

[Wolfshade]

Jon Snow to interview "Jon Snow".

[Mr Mystery]

I hope Little Finger gets put in a blender.

'Orrible little Weasel, and nowhere near as smart as wot he finks he be.

[eldargal]

Even though I've read most of the books (Still need to pick up Dance of Dragons) I couldn't help but think this during the scene where Mormont offered to be her champion...

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HA!

[Wildeybeast]

I hope Little Finger gets put in a blender.

'Orrible little Weasel, and nowhere near as smart as wot he finks he be.

Sorry, but he really is. Him and Varys are far smarter than anyone gives them credit for and both are playing the long game. You'll see.

[Psychosplodge]

I hope Little Finger gets put in a blender.


'Orrible little Weasel, and nowhere near as smart as wot he finks he be.


First they'd have to invent lectrickary and blenders

[Mr Mystery]

True that.

And he has slipped up. Majorly.

SPOILER

He sent Ser Fatty to give Sansa that necklace, and make sure she was out of there before it kicked off. He then reveals the necklace is a fake he commissioned, before leaving it on Ser Fatty's body. Whoops! Not gonna take long to find that, and then the maker, and from the maker, the commissioner of the work.

[DarkLink]

No, he just tossed it in the ocean. Besides, even if it is found, all that does is point back to Sansa as the culprit. They'll know someone helped her, but not who.

[Mr Mystery]

Didn't land in the ocean.....landed on the body.

And it's possible to find who ordered it.

[DarkLink]

Whatever. Even if it did end up mattering, how would they connect the necklace to anything? They might realize it was poison crystals, maybe, but what then? How are they supposed to track down the maker when only Dontos, Sansa, Littlefinger, and the guy who made the necklace even know it exists. They already suspect Sansa, Dontos is dead, and Littlefinger probably killed the maker, so the only way to connect it to Littlefinger would be for Sansa to tell them, and they have to find her first.

[Mr Mystery]

Sansa wore it at the wedding. Then disappeared.

Sansa seemingly has no money of her own. So where did it come from? Who gave it to her? Tyrion? Possibly. But he can use its existence to prove his apparent innocence.

It's a major slip up, leaving two whacking great bits of evidence behind you.

[Wildeybeast]

The boat is drifting in the middle of the ocean. Who is going to find it? In the unlikely event that a passing boat finds Dontos, they aren't going to know who he is. No one in King's Landing will even notice he is gone, and if they do, they won't bother looking for him. they'll just assume he's legged it now Joffrey isn't abusing him any more. Cersei has everyone convinced that Tyrion is responsible, they are trying to prove his guilt, not look for other suspects.

In the extremely unlikely event that someone in a position of power does find Dontos and the necklace, they are unlikely to connect it to Sansa. Do you think anyone there actually paid her enough attention to notice what necklace she was wearing? Tyrion possibly, but he isn't going to drop her in it.

Nope, I'm afraid Mystery, that Little Finger really doesn't need to worry about it.

[Mr Mystery]

Dontos was at the wedding. Everyone there saw him do his star turn.

Boat was close enough for Little Finger to show concern they might be heard.

[eldargal]

Hoping someone rogers Little Finger to death with a red hot pick axe at some point 'soon' (next book).

[Wildeybeast]

Dontos was at the wedding. Everyone there saw him do his star turn.

Boat was close enough for Little Finger to show concern they might be heard.

Yeah, but the point this, they aren't looking for him. This isn't some modern police force, looking at all angles and suspects. Cersei is convinced it is Tyrion, and Tywin wouldn't be particularly sad at losing him, so it's just a case of them pinning the blame on him, any way they can. The episode made clear that Cersei was already fabricating evidence and witnesses.

[Psychosplodge]

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[Gotthammer]

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[Psychosplodge]

silly subtitles are fun...

[Psychosplodge]

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[Mr Mystery]

Needs moar Ser Bron.

[Psychosplodge]

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[DrLove42]

Ser Bronn is awesome.

Nearly at the end of book 2 now. Blasting through it.

Episode 4 was great

[Gotthammer]

Episode 4 was great

Good summary of Ep 4 (http://maisiewilliams.tumblr.com/post/84123286279/what-you-missed-on-4x04-of-game-of-thrones)


Also:

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[Mr Mystery]

Bronn reminds of my typical roleplay character - Mouthy git who can just about get away with it, on account he's only speaking the truth.

[eldargal]

Good summary of Ep 4 (http://maisiewilliams.tumblr.com/post/84123286279/what-you-missed-on-4x04-of-game-of-thrones)


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Such laughter.

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MORE WINE!

[Wildeybeast]

That summary is totes amazeballs. It summed up a lot of my thoughts. I have literally no idea what is happening with that white walker sh1t and we just need Captain Jack to turn up at Crasters and the party can begin. Who writes those summaries?

[Gotthammer]

There are all sorts of summaries like that on tumblr for most shows really. Finding a good one can be tricky tho. Well I assumed it was that the walkers had been taking the babies Craster left out and making more walkers from them.

Also to celebrate the 10th anniversary of Mean Girls:

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[Gotthammer]

Peter Dinklage (http://www.danbarham.com/dinklage/).

[Wolfshade]

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[Mr Mystery]

Hodor.

[DrLove42]

Hodor hulk out.

Slight spoilers for this last weeks episode...highlight to reveal

If Bran Wargs into Hodor its Brans mind in Hodor. We assume Hodors ability to only say his name is a mental condition. With Bran in Hodor, could he say other things?

Was a good episode this week. I'm ploughing into Storm of Swords..

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[Mr Mystery]

I'm really enjoying this season.

And I've had a bit of a revelation about Sansa....as a character, she represents Westeros. She's passed from pillar to post by those who want power and control. She has no say in the matter, and is powerless to resist. She is central to many plots to take control.

[DarkLink]

I can finally keep up. I've been catching my roommate up on seasons 1-3, so I haven't been able to watch the new episodes when they come out.

[Wildeybeast]

If Bran Wargs into Hodor its Brans mind in Hodor. We assume Hodors ability to only say his name is a mental condition. With Bran in Hodor, could he say other things?

What, like 'Kneel before Hodor!"

[Gotthammer]

Have you planted any Easter eggs in the show?

David Peterson: One of the biggest is from Episode 3 this season. There’s a scene where the Meereenese rider is challenging Daenerys’ champion. He’s shouting and Nathalie Emmanuel [Missandei] is translating – but she’s not translating what he’s saying. He’s actually saying a Low Valyrian


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translation of the French guy’s insults in ‘Monty Python and the Holy Grail.’ That was [series creator] Dan Weiss’s idea and it was so hilarious that I had to do it.

Have fans caught on?

David Peterson: They know that something’s going on. Right after that episode aired, I was getting tweets like, “Is he saying a ‘your momma’ joke?” Close… But no, he’s actually starting out with, “Your mother is a hamster.” (http://www.makinggameofthrones.com/production-diary/2014/5/8/interview-with-linguist-david-peterson)

[Psychosplodge]

genies arse...

[daboarder]

What, like 'Kneel before Hodor!"

nah, Hodor needs a one liner like....

let off some steam, Locke.

Run! get to da FOREST!!

Its not a Hodor!

or something suitably hodorish

[Psychosplodge]

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[Wildeybeast]

Lola. Great caption

[DrLove42]

Last nights episode was great. Or tonights if you're watching on Sky.

[Mr Mystery]

Yup.

In swear it just keeps getting betterer!

[daboarder]

I dunno, this season is feeling a bit drawn out, its fairly obvious what the ultimate climax of it is going to be, but it feels like they are taking their time getting there.

Id almost say that I think they would have been better extending season 3 by say 4-5 episodes and covering this material then

[DarkLink]

I don't think they get a choice in how many episodes per season they get.

Knowing the plot of the books, I'm confident that the stuff that feels like filler will have a solid payoff. It's been true for all the previous seasons, by now I trust them to do a good job.

[Gotthammer]

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[Wildeybeast]

I don't think they get a choice in how many episodes per season they get.

Knowing the plot of the books, I'm confident that the stuff that feels like filler will have a solid payoff. It's been true for all the previous seasons, by now I trust them to do a good job.

They are heading into feast, which is pretty much all filler anyway. Last nights episode was worth it, just for Tyrions outburst at the end. Can't wait to see his trial by combat, it will be epic.

[Gotthammer]

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[Mr Mystery]

Well those are a wee bit out of date.

[Gotthammer]

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[Mr Mystery]

:p

[Gotthammer]

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[Mr Mystery]

Looks like a fart she shouldn't have trusted in that last one....

[Gotthammer]

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[DarkLink]

They are heading into feast, which is pretty much all filler anyway. Last nights episode was worth it, just for Tyrions outburst at the end. Can't wait to see his trial by combat, it will be epic.

And I wouldn't be suprised if some of the changes will lead into a revision of the filler in the books. It's something they've done a good job with so far. And, yes, it will be epic.

[eldargal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvHK6blDJaQ

[Gotthammer]

I don't mind divergence from the books but when they cut stuff like that out I think it really hurts the show.

[Gotthammer]

Really liked the latest ep - Brienne and Pod (and Hot Pie!), Arya and the Hound - tho Baelish is hella creepazoid, which in this show is sure saying something about his behaviour >.<

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[Mr Mystery]

Yup. Looking forward to Little Finger getting bumped off. Can't stand him (total credit to the actor there!).

Three episodes left of this season...and Sky have decided not to show one next Monday. BAH!

[Gotthammer]

Yup, and conflicted as what he did at the end of the episode was good, but eeeeeeech >.<

Get it online. It's what I did as they're showing it weeks behind here which is dumb as last season it was available same day as the US. Weird.

[Brakkart]

Sky are not showing one next week as it's not being shown on HBO in the States next week either due to it being the Memorial Day bank holiday weekend. Everyone will have to wait an extra week for episode 8 which will feature The Mountain vs The Red Viper. Should be epic.

[Wildeybeast]

Yup. Looking forward to Little Finger getting bumped off. Can't stand him (total credit to the actor there!).

Three episodes left of this season...and Sky have decided not to show one next Monday. BAH!

You may be waiting a while.....

I have been looking forward to that fight since I first read it. It's one of the few highlights of feast. That and what happens to Tyrion afterwards.

Also, who has a holiday day on the weekend? Everyone's off anyone. Silly Americans.

[Darren Richardson]

well I've finally popped my Doorstop cherry and brought the first book, man I can keep my dor mopen with this beast, but I'm getting into it so far pretty OK.....

the main thing I've noticed differing from the TV series of which I have seen so far, is in the books some of the characters are much, much younger.....

[DrLove42]

Yeah. Seeing Ms Targareon naked is abit wierd when you realise shes supposed to be around 13....

Also series 1 stuck to book 1 quite closely. It deviates more later on. I'm 1/3 through Storm of Swords now

[Gotthammer]

Has Oberyn Martell got you questioning your sexuality? Is there something about him that is too irresistible to ignore, even though you don't normally feel that way about men?
Confess your peculiar attraction and/or infatuation with the Martell prince in this subreddit.

Gay for Oberyn (http://www.reddit.com/r/gayforoberyn)

[eldargal]

Oh my goodness I was literally just looking for that link to post it here.

[Gotthammer]

Too slow! :p

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[Wildeybeast]

Is Joffrey Baratheon (Lannister) not the Joffrey Baratheon (Lannister) of our time?

[Mr Mystery]

Nope.

Think about it.

Both have the initial J.B.

Neither has any real dicernable talent.

Both are spectacularly vile human beings.

Both, despite their constant posturing, are actually about as hard as mashed potato.

[Wildeybeast]

Yeah, but my point was Joffrey isn't from the past, he's from the now as a currently popular fictional character. So he's the Joffrey Baratheon of our time. Also, technically it's Joffrey Hill.

[White Tiger88]

I am Ser Jorah Mormont!! LORD OF THE FRIEND ZONE!!!!!!

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[SecondJames]

Also, technically it's Joffrey Hill.

Don't they use 'Waters' in King's Landing? Like Aurane Waters.

[Wildeybeast]

Hmm, good point. I was thinking both his parents were from the Westerlands, so he would be a Hill, though he was conceived, born and raised in King's Landing (I don't think there's ever been mention of him so much as visiting Casterly Rock) so I suppose he would be a Waters.

[Wildeybeast]

True, though Tommen and Myrcella aren't. Not that it matters, no one other than Stannis would dare refer to them by ******* names and he never seems to bother.

[Wildeybeast]

That was an interesting change from the books. In them, Cersi tells the Iron Bank to do one, so they go Stannis and offer him support. They send along an accountant to keep an eye on him.

[White Tiger88]

That was an interesting change from the books. In them, Cersi tells the Iron Bank to do one, so they go Stannis and offer him support. They send along an accountant to keep an eye on him.

Going to assume this accountant has a rather large sword and short temper?

[Wildeybeast]

No, he's just a bloke keeping an on eye Stannis.

[Mr Mystery]

Bah.

Going to have withdrawal symptoms tonight :(

[Gotthammer]

If only Jaime felt the same...

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+

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(I mean how frigging obnoxious do you have to be to make Sansa mad...)

[DrLove42]

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8205049088/h91C5588F/

Cos Walder Frey needs lessons in planning...

Also predictions from someone who only halway through book 3...Oberyn Martell is going to lose. Cos hes awesome and I accidentally started to like him. Therefore hes is doomed

[Mr Mystery]

Trial by Combat tonight! Squee!

Man this past fornight has been horrible without my fix.

[Psychosplodge]

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[Gotthammer]

Trial by Combat tonight! Squee!

Man this past fornight has been horrible without my fix.

Was a little underwhelmed by this weeks ep to be honest. I mean lots of important stuff happens, but the whole thing felt quite disjointed and rambling. Every scene in King's Landing either seemed too long or too short. On the plus side Sansa continues to be a boss and Arya is amaze as always, and some stuff happens in sunny Myreen but despite it all it felt like a filler episode.


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...
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These two really have the right expressions for it too.

[Psychosplodge]

true

[Gotthammer]

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[Mr Mystery]

Was a little underwhelmed by this weeks ep to be honest. I mean lots of important stuff happens, but the whole thing felt quite disjointed and rambling. Every scene in King's Landing either seemed too long or too short. On the plus side Sansa continues to be a boss and Arya is amaze as always, and some stuff happens in sunny Myreen but despite it all it felt like a filler episode.



These two really have the right expressions for it too.

Needs more slack jaw, gease in the hair, acne....and less teeth.

[Deadlift]

Just watched this weeks episode, The Mountain aka Hafbor Bjornsson was a great choice to play him and as a WSM competitor I can quite believe he could do that to a mans head. Brilliant, some proper action at last.

[Wildeybeast]

Poor old Oberyn. Even though I knew what was coming, that was still sad. You can't help but like him, which inevitably means Martin will do something unspeakably horrible to him. I can't wait for the angry, sexy Sandsnakes to get all stirred up in Dorne now.

[daboarder]

Poor old Oberyn. Even though I knew what was coming, that was still sad. You can't help but like him, which inevitably means Martin will do something unspeakably horrible to him. I can't wait for the angry, sexy Sandsnakes to get all stirred up in Dorne now.

This series runs on inverse karma.

My money is still on sandor dealing with the mountain

[Deadlift]

I'm pretty certain the mountains unlikely to recover from his wounds, call it a hunch but if the mountain then dies when he falls back down, it's a draw and then the Imps neck is saved ?

I can't see anyone recovering from a spear though the chest.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Damn Oberyns death was pretty horrific I thought! saying something considering the show it is lol. I knew it was going to happen, but it is one scene I kinda hoped they'd changed a bit tbh.

[daboarder]

Damn Oberyns death was pretty horrific I thought! saying something considering the show it is lol. I knew it was going to happen, but it is one scene I kinda hoped they'd changed a bit tbh.

I'll be honest, I found joffrey's demise far more gruesome than oberyn's

[DarkLink]

I'm pretty certain the mountains unlikely to recover from his wounds, call it a hunch but if the mountain then dies when he falls back down, it's a draw and then the Imps neck is saved ?

I can't see anyone recovering from a spear though the chest.

The mountain pretty clearly won the combat. Tyrion is screwed, even if the mountain dies later. Which he kinda might, sorta, maybe? You'll find out ;).

[Gotthammer]

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[Mr Mystery]

Should always keep your head in combat.

It helps to avoid crushing defeats.

EXITS STAGE LEFT.

[daboarder]

Should always keep your head in combat.

It helps to avoid crushing defeats.

EXITS STAGE LEFT.

You;ve got to admit, he was awesome while he was around

[Psychosplodge]

fun quiz (http://www.buzzfeed.com/bradesposito/got-vs-auspol)

[daboarder]

fun quiz (http://www.buzzfeed.com/bradesposito/got-vs-auspol)

This is why we hate our government, in less than a year they've acted so strongly against public interest and desire that we're now a joke

[Mr Mystery]

You;ve got to admit, he was awesome while he was around

Oh absolutely. Really cool character!

[Gotthammer]

https://31.media.tumblr.com/67e41a332cf246b73c8adee2b2935f23/tumblr_n6iexmxN5e1snao0yo1_500.jpg

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In the game of thrones you win or have to take the tube home.


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So drama. Much plot twist. Wow.

[eldargal]

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[Wildeybeast]

Brilliant.

[DrLove42]

Oh Oberyn. You were so awesome.

That was quite a horrible end. I knew it was coming but still wasn't ready.

Battle of the Wall next week. Should be awesome

[Psychosplodge]

Two witches fighting over a star and causing an old dude to quit is hardly a battle...

[Deadlift]

Oh Oberyn. You were so awesome.

That was quite a horrible end. I knew it was coming but still wasn't ready.

Battle of the Wall next week. Should be awesome

It was pretty graphic, as I haven't read any of the books I had no idea it was going to end so explosively for him. What a way to go. But as soon as I saw him taking his time strutting around the Mountain, I guessed he was going to get it. Not like that though. Had my mrs shouting "oh god no...what the ?......good god" at the tv which was fun.

[Wildeybeast]

And that's why people love GoT. He had it coming, fighting with his heart and not his head is always a bad move. Still, at least the Martells got revenge for Elia. Now they just have to avenge Oberyn.

[Deadlift]

And that's why people love GoT. He had it coming, fighting with his heart and not his head is always a bad move. Still, at least the Martells got revenge for Elia. Now they just have to avenge Oberyn.

Don't the Martells have Cerci's daughter ? And I know Oberyn had 3 daughters of his own who are supposed to be formidable in their own right. I'm guessing we're going to be seeing more of the Martells soon enough.

[Gotthammer]

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[eldargal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmetFPHF_yE

[Gotthammer]

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That first pair :p

[eldargal]

I just really, really hope they show Cleganes slow, agonising death in the next episode.

[Gotthammer]

Preferably with a different actor for hilarities sake :p

[eldargal]

Oberyn gets off easy I think, compared to Gregor, thanks to his little insurance plan.

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[daboarder]

Probably shouldn't have mentioned that. Poor deadlift here is following the show so spoiers for anything not on it yet

[eldargal]

In the OP, says spoilers allowed after UK airing.:p

[Wildeybeast]

Don't the Martells have Cerci's daughter ? And I know Oberyn had 3 daughters of his own who are supposed to be formidable in their own right. I'm guessing we're going to be seeing more of the Martells soon enough.

Yeah, they have Myrcella (another reason Cersei wanted Tyrion dead). He has eight daughters in total, all *******s. Most of them are quite young, but the eldest are all pretty awesome in various ways. As his niece. And they are all pretty angry now. The Lannisters need to watch out. :D


In the OP, says spoilers allowed after UK airing.:p

I did say that. I also said spoilers from the books are allowed, this is the ASOIAF thread rather than the GoT thread. That said, people have largely steered clear of book spoilers, I suggest any significant ones of those come with warnings. In EG's defence, it isn't a massive spoiler to suggest that someone called the Viper may have used some underhand tactics to ensure Gregor meets an unpleasant end. Plus, he did get a big spear shoved through his chest, he's probably a gonner anyway.

[Deadlift]

To be honest, the odd spoiler doesn't bother me too much and what I've heard is the show does deviate a little from the books so nothings a given really anyway.

It's unfortunate though, I really wanted the Hound to deal with the Mountain but I suspected with his badly tended neck wound and the fact they keep referencing it, he's not likely going to be around too much longer either. I do like the Hound and his liberal use of the c word. But as it's GoT I've learnt not to get too attached to anyone really ;)

Oh and a spear though the chest isn't something to shrug off lightly, I guessed he was going to die soon enough. Just not quite as badly as EG has suggested he might.

If any of you guys watch World Strongest Man you will recognise the actor who plays the Mountain from that. Pretty sure he came 3rd last year. Apparently a jolly nice fellow too and not given to crushing skulls at all.

[DarkLink]

Remember, though, Oberyn made the point that they don't roll like that in the south, though.

Edit: btw, you haven't found out why they called oberyn the red viper yet.

[Wildeybeast]

And the award for Most Ambitious Editor Ever goes to......Anne Groell (http://http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/game-of-thrones-george-rr-martin-might-add-eighth-book-to-song-of-ice-and-fire-series-9482765.html).

Also, am I the only person not to realise that Alfie Allen is Lily Allen's brother? http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/lily-allens-incestuous-game-of-thrones-cameo-claim-not-true-says-brother-alfie-9476552.html

[DrLove42]

And the award for Most Ambitious Editor Ever goes to......Anne Groell (http://http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/game-of-thrones-george-rr-martin-might-add-eighth-book-to-song-of-ice-and-fire-series-9482765.html).

Also, am I the only person not to realise that Alfie Allen is Lily Allen's brother? http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/lily-allens-incestuous-game-of-thrones-cameo-claim-not-true-says-brother-alfie-9476552.html

I didn't know they were related....small world

Also an 8th book? How about finishing 6 and 7 first?

[Deadlift]

I'm guessing the TV series is going to overtake the books then.

[DrLove42]

Pretty sure thats going to start happening in the next 2 series anyway....

[DarkLink]

Kinda, not really. They'll probably fill in some stuff, since some major characters don't have much going on in the books. Sansa and Baelish have caught up to the books. But for the most part, the show is only up to book 3, iirc, so there's a lot of stuff to continue on with. Likely two more full seasons at least, and they have the option for a sort of prequel season (that Ser Duncan the Tall that people keep mentioning offhand actually has a book or two set a hundred years beforehand or something like that), and slow as GRRM can be, he might be able to get another book out in 2-3 years for another season or two.

They might have issues with the series finale, but that's a ways off, so I wouldn't worry too much.

[Kirsten]

Holly tells Lister what he has missed in Game of Thrones


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shs7VQhVvxA

[daboarder]

To be honest, the odd spoiler doesn't bother me too much and what I've heard is the show does deviate a little from the books so nothings a given really anyway.

It's unfortunate though, I really wanted the Hound to deal with the Mountain but I suspected with his badly tended neck wound and the fact they keep referencing it, he's not likely going to be around too much longer either. I do like the Hound and his liberal use of the c word. But as it's GoT I've learnt not to get too attached to anyone really ;)

Oh and a spear though the chest isn't something to shrug off lightly, I guessed he was going to die soon enough. Just not quite as badly as EG has suggested he might.

If any of you guys watch World Strongest Man you will recognise the actor who plays the Mountain from that. Pretty sure he came 3rd last year. Apparently a jolly nice fellow too and not given to crushing skulls at all.

I wouldn't worry to much about the mountain deadlift. There is a popular theory that he got better

[Wildeybeast]

Kinda, not really. They'll probably fill in some stuff, since some major characters don't have much going on in the books. Sansa and Baelish have caught up to the books. But for the most part, the show is only up to book 3, iirc, so there's a lot of stuff to continue on with. Likely two more full seasons at least, and they have the option for a sort of prequel season (that Ser Duncan the Tall that people keep mentioning offhand actually has a book or two set a hundred years beforehand or something like that), and slow as GRRM can be, he might be able to get another book out in 2-3 years for another season or two.

They might have issues with the series finale, but that's a ways off, so I wouldn't worry too much.

Yeah they are more or less at the end of book three. The next series will bring a whole chunk of characters in Dorne and we get to find out what the Greyjoys have been up to (the ones not having their knobs flayed). And Stannis has more to do, so the influx of extra characters will slow down the progress of the series.

[Deadlift]

I wouldn't worry to much about the mountain deadlift. There is a popular theory that he got better

I stumbled across something related to that earlier today. Intrigued to say the least.

[DarkLink]

That's the funny thing, so far everything that's gone on is little more than a precursor to the real war.

[eldargal]

I wouldn't worry to much about the mountain deadlift. There is a popular theory that he got better

'Got better' = 'reanimated headless corpse'.:p

[DrLove42]

'Got better' = 'reanimated headless corpse'.:p

You say Potato, i say potoato...

[Deadlift]

'Got better' = 'reanimated headless corpse'.:p

Yes I read this too, as the "White Knight" but kept stum as not to spoil it for others. Bravo EG.

[Psychosplodge]

'tis but a flesh wound...

[Gotthammer]

http://youtu.be/r8oOi6JOXEQ

[daboarder]

Man I knew people weren't going to take Oberyns death well, this is funny as. Queue acting career

[eldargal]

Yes I read this too, as the "White Knight" but kept stum as not to spoil it for others. Bravo EG.

Spoilers are allowed by the topic rules and fan theories aren't even spoilers.:p

[DrLove42]

Man I knew people weren't going to take Oberyns death well,

It doesn't suprise me how much the internet has "rallied" against The Vipers death.

I didn't know the Red Wedding was going to happen, and it shocked me, but didn't make me "unhappy". The most difficult thing to watch was them parading Robbs body around with the Direwolfs head attached. Thats what stuck with me longest.

This has been to me one of the most defining deaths in the series, even if it isn't as significant in the history of Westeros. I knew it was coming and its still been hard. As a character he was just one of the favourites.

Short of Hodor or Tyrion dying I don't see such a massive "outrage" at a death for the series. Which is wierd cos Oberyn has only been with us for less than a series.

[Wildeybeast]

Sssh, don't give away Hodor's death.

[DrLove42]

Sssh, don't give away Hodor's death.

I'm only in late book 3. :P

Also people might hate the Mountain for his actions in that episode and look forward to his agonising painful well deserved final time on earth and his eventual death....but the actor? Hes so cool its hard to dislike him;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv4t9LhDLQ8#t=168

Sure it ain't in English, but he dressed as the Hulk for a kids bday party. Also 2:50.....

[Gotthammer]

I hope Pedro Pascal comes back next year to play Daario Naharis.

[Deadlift]

Sssh, don't give away Hodor's death.

Hodor ?

[DrLove42]

I hope Pedro Pascal comes back next year to play Daario Naharis.

Hes being played by Hodor next year. And Renee Zellweger the following season

Also this;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqYr7qqOS0w&list=PLFWHlH4koGZAeH9x2wWeTB32VCESjRI51

The guy presenting is annoying as hell, but its suprising how many of the GoT actors youve seen in other things and not clocked....

Yarp

[Wildeybeast]

He's too annoying. I couldn't make it past two minutes.

[eldargal]

I made it 18 seconds.

[Deadlift]

The guy that plays Jamie is also in Oblivion with Tom Cruise, love that film. Especially the soundtrack. I watched all of the clips. Nothing most of us didn't know I guess......except Hodor is a freaking club DJ and has been mixing it up on the decks for years. :cool:

[Mr Mystery]

I made it 18 seconds.

I'll see your 18 seconds, and match it with my 11 seconds.

Why are they all so hyper?

[eldargal]

8 seconds I had it muted so...:p

'cos they are 'mercan? Seems to be a thing with them. No offense to 'mercans.

[Mr Mystery]

Mental. The lot of them.

[Gotthammer]

I skipped the video to each who is this thing. Pycel was in Last Crusade and the Hound is the 'yarp' guy from Hot Fuzz hehe :)

[Mr Mystery]

Pycel is also General Veers

[Gotthammer]

Ah, and in that Doctor Who with John Cleese then lol

[Mr Mystery]

He is indeed the Jagaroth.

[eldargal]

Julian Glover ftw.

[Gotthammer]

http://kaleidoscope49.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/blog-the-jagaroth.jpg

Majestic :p

[DrLove42]

I just find Varys with hair disturbing...

[Wildeybeast]

He was recently in a fantastic Inside No 9 episode, which everyone should watch. That entire series was bloody awesome.

[Kirsten]

this is for EG

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd380/KirstenIGMB/BpcyZ-PIQAAG3MC_zpsdaf0893b.jpg

[Mr Mystery]

Trying to resist starting Orks.

I may well have to just give in!

[eldargal]

this is for EG

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd380/KirstenIGMB/BpcyZ-PIQAAG3MC_zpsdaf0893b.jpg
*flails* I want that t shirt.:p I don't even wear t-shirts but I wants it.><

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R.I.P. the one character in GoT who was willing to risk his life and die for his belief that rape victims deserve justice in their own name not as an extension of the families honour or some **** like that,

[Wildeybeast]

I think that sentiment applies to all of Dorne really, not just Oberyn. They seem to have pretty much equal rights between men and women and run the place largely as a meritocracy. They also don't seem to attach any stigma to barstewards. That said, I doubt very much that Oberyn would have fought the Mountain if he had raped and murdered some common girl Oberyn didn't know (which he almost certainly did whilst he was sacking the Riverlands), rather than Oberyn's sister. There is certainly an element of personal vengeance/family honour mixed in with his more enlightened ideals.

[Deadlift]

I'm looking forward to seeing more of the Martell family in action.

[Gotthammer]

Word is his daughter(s) have been cast.

https://24.media.tumblr.com/d60c39603d8d3a06c569ad98a526236f/tumblr_n6rwsgKHjY1sfmyt4o1_500.jpg

[Wildeybeast]

Hurray. Looking forward to seeing some sexy Sandsnakes. I wonder who they are going to cast as ol'gouty himself.

[eldargal]

I think that sentiment applies to all of Dorne really, not just Oberyn. They seem to have pretty much equal rights between men and women and run the place largely as a meritocracy. They also don't seem to attach any stigma to barstewards. That said, I doubt very much that Oberyn would have fought the Mountain if he had raped and murdered some common girl Oberyn didn't know (which he almost certainly did whilst he was sacking the Riverlands), rather than Oberyn's sister. There is certainly an element of personal vengeance/family honour mixed in with his more enlightened ideals.
True but it was revenge for her, not because of the families honour or blood feud type vengeance but because his sister was raped and murdered.

[Wildeybeast]

Oh yes, absolutely. He did it because he loved her, in comparison with say Tywin going to war when Cat captures Tyrion. On this line, could we not also put Robert Baratheon into that category? He goes to war not because he wants the throne or for family honour, but because Rheager got all rapey with his beloved.

On a related note, I've recently come across an intriguing fan theory which suggests that relationship perhaps wasn't as one way as the Starks and Baratheons made out and that Jon Snow is actually the love child of Rhegar and Lyanna. Nothing in the books to support that, but I found it interesting.

[eldargal]

The trouble with Robert B. is that he was complicit in the rape of Elia Martell and the kiddlywinks, he didn't punish the Lannisters because they solved a problem for him and even though Stark and others wer outraged he effectively protected and compensated the Lannisters for doing it for him. So he was happy to tacitly condone the rape and murder of Elia and the kiddies despite going to war because his love interest was raped.

Edit: I am looking forward to seeing the Sand Snakes. I am also looking forward to the fact that most people think Oberyns head popping like a ripe pimple is this series equivalent of the Red Wedding when there is so much more fun to come. >:-)
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qMJA6zVpZL4/UcMvDTqyxSI/AAAAAAAAaNA/NISGSdfzUfo/s1600/FDLbuhb.gif

[DrLove42]

Well im mid Storm of Swords. Just been introduced to Daario.

I am very glad they changed the way he looks cos that description would nit have worked...

[Wildeybeast]

The trouble with Robert B. is that he was complicit in the rape of Elia Martell and the kiddlywinks, he didn't punish the Lannisters because they solved a problem for him and even though Stark and others wer outraged he effectively protected and compensated the Lannisters for doing it for him. So he was happy to tacitly condone the rape and murder of Elia and the kiddies despite going to war because his love interest was raped.

Edit: I am looking forward to seeing the Sand Snakes. I am also looking forward to the fact that most people think Oberyns head popping like a ripe pimple is this series equivalent of the Red Wedding when there is so much more fun to come. >:-)
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qMJA6zVpZL4/UcMvDTqyxSI/AAAAAAAAaNA/NISGSdfzUfo/s1600/FDLbuhb.gif

I agree that he should have punished the Lannisters for it, but I don't think he actually wanted Elia and her kids dealing with in that fashion. That war was never about taking the throne, simply about killing those who wronged him, which Elia and her children hadn't. I don't think he ever contemplated what he would do once he'd won the war.

Oh yes, events at the end of the series will be most amusing. Everyone knew going into that fight there was a reasonable chance he would die, but people won't have a clue what's coming up.

[daboarder]

\
Edit: I am looking forward to seeing the Sand Snakes. I am also looking forward to the fact that most people think Oberyns head popping like a ripe pimple is this series equivalent of the Red Wedding when there is so much more fun to come. >:-)


People are going to be massively divided by tyrions actions. There will be some saying it serves them right and others probably saying it doesn't (and yes I am trying to keep this spoiler free, just for deadlift, for now anyway:p)

[Wildeybeast]

There's no debate, Tyrion is entirely justified in his actions, given how much he has been f84ked by pretty much everyone.

[DarkLink]

As justifiable as anything in the show is, at least.

[eldargal]

I agree that he should have punished the Lannisters for it, but I don't think he actually wanted Elia and her kids dealing with in that fashion. That war was never about taking the throne, simply about killing those who wronged him, which Elia and her children hadn't. I don't think he ever contemplated what he would do once he'd won the war.

Oh yes, events at the end of the series will be most amusing. Everyone knew going into that fight there was a reasonable chance he would die, but people won't have a clue what's coming up.
But by letting them get away with it and from memory being quite relieved the problem was solved the tacitly condoned the actions, in contrast to Ned Stark who had a case of the grumps about it and left. I don't think RB wanted her raped and the kids murdered exactly but he was quite happy to accept it happening and let the Lannisters take the public fallout for it while reaping the benefits and rewarding the Lannisters in other ways.


As justifiable as anything in the show is, at least.
Yep.

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[Brakkart]

Found this online which I found amusing and ominous in equal measure:

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[eldargal]

That dress is very Sith.

[eldargal]

http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1078/2413/original.jpg?w=480&h

[DrLove42]

Just finished reading Storm of Swords.

Immensly looking forward to the next few episodes.

Really powered through the last book and a half (1500+ pages in a week), so think its time for a reading break. Come back to book 4 in a few weeks.

[daboarder]

well that was suitably impressive. No politics at all in the latest episode. and its full of holywood tactics but god its still good

edit: Oh, and i WANT one of those wall scythes

[Gotthammer]

https://31.media.tumblr.com/17947f44e446b9863939c6ca3b17e207/tumblr_mvgk3ajosF1skw6elo1_400.gif

I'm not sure about the way they're portraying Melisandre though.

[Tyrendian]

so, what's everybody's favourite scene so far, across all seasons?
mine is probably when Dani acquires the Unsullied and Astapor - although I haven't watched 4x09 yet, so that Wall Scythe might beat it...

[Gotthammer]

Sam dropping the f-bomb :p

[DrLove42]

Sam dropping the f-bomb :p

Awesome moment

Also the Sythe on the wall. Great moment.

Next weeks episode is going to be great. Its wierd being in the position i'm in now and know whats really coming for the first time.

[Deadlift]

Just watched this weeks episode, loved it.
The giants reminded me of Ogre Kingdoms and now I want to paint the dude on the Mammoth thing. Sam is as I always thought he was a brilliant character and showing his true colours. With finally Jon Snow and the Nights watch actually getting some worthwhile action too this week and the glad ginger lass croaking it, it's been a good GoT week. She got on my nerves with her oh so conflicted inner turmoil.

[Tyrendian]

yeah I immediately thought of Ogres as well... overall the episode didn't really feel like GoT to me though; if I want that kind of action all the time there's LotR or a dozen other things; the little tidbits of progress on more or less every front every episode are what I like... this once it was alright I guess, but I do hope they don't make a habit of it...

[Kirsten]

the final series is just going to be twelve hours of panoramic landscapes apparently, because everyone will be dead.

[Deadlift]

the final series is just going to be twelve hours of panoramic landscapes apparently, because everyone will be dead.

:D you could be right.

[Wildeybeast]

Some interesting diversions from the books there. The nights watch are much more competent in the books, led by the awesome Donal Noye. I have no idea wtf Jon is doing on his little Oates walkabout and I can't believe they killed Pyp and Grenn! Still nicely set up for the series finale, which will be epic.

[White Tiger88]

Some interesting diversions from the books there. The nights watch are much more competent in the books, led by the awesome Donal Noye. I have no idea wtf Jon is doing on his little Oates walkabout and I can't believe they killed Pyp and Grenn! Still nicely set up for the series finale, which will be epic.

Ah i am more surprised about the fact Snow is stupid enough to walkout.......with no weapon.........

[daboarder]

the final series is just going to be twelve hours of panoramic landscapes apparently, because everyone will be dead.

with those views? totally worth it


Some interesting diversions from the books there. The nights watch are much more competent in the books, led by the awesome Donal Noye. I have no idea wtf Jon is doing on his little Oates walkabout and I can't believe they killed Pyp and Grenn! Still nicely set up for the series finale, which will be epic.

We were always told that certain characters would be composites and others as such would be missing. furthermore with john not getting thrown in jail they needed to come up with some reason for him to go out and treat with the wildlings.

[DarkLink]

Ah i am more surprised about the fact Snow is stupid enough to walkout.......with no weapon.........

If they come to the same result as the books... it'll suprise you.

[eldargal]

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[Wildeybeast]

Don't the Martells have Cerci's daughter ? And I know Oberyn had 3 daughters of his own who are supposed to be formidable in their own right. I'm guessing we're going to be seeing more of the Martells soon enough.


In the OP, says spoilers allowed after UK airing.:p


with those views? totally worth it



We were always told that certain characters would be composites and others as such would be missing. furthermore with john not getting thrown in jail they needed to come up with some reason for him to go out and treat with the wildlings.

Yeah I get that and I appreciate they can't have everyone in it. I mean Donal Noye only ever really appears in that on battle. I'm not necessarily criticising the changes, I'm just surprised at some of them. Pyp and Gren are effectively written out not long after this anyway, so it doesn't make a massive difference. I can only assume the nights watch are made more incompetent to make Snow look event better, but then that is somewhat undermined by his ridiculous decision to go fight the entire horde by himself with no weapons.

[daboarder]

Yeah I get that and I appreciate they can't have everyone in it. I mean Donal Noye only ever really appears in that on battle. I'm not necessarily criticising the changes, I'm just surprised at some of them. Pyp and Gren are effectively written out not long after this anyway, so it doesn't make a massive difference. I can only assume the nights watch are made more incompetent to make Snow look event better, but then that is somewhat undermined by his ridiculous decision to go fight the entire horde by himself with no weapons.

they also are subjected to holywood tactics, I mean that wall is basically impenetrable by an army, block the tunnel and then push the poor idiots trying to climb the thing once they get to the top (IF they get to the top)

Snow says they cant stop an army that size, and I call BS. they wouldn't have too, an army that size would never be able to climb over a large cliff like that.

[Tyrendian]

mhm in the books that had a little more urgency to it... wonder if they decide to introduce a certain little magical something to the series after all to help with threatening the wall...

[eldargal]

http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1078/3684/original.jpg?w=480&h

[DrLove42]

With exception of the Sycthe (whoever thought that up deserves a payrise) i feel its a more dramatic interesting fight in the books.

Have to say i like the humanisation of Ser Alliser with Jon atop the wall. Almost makes him seem like a decent guy in a **** situation and not a total arse.

Also is Slynt supposed to be dead in thay store room? He wasn moving much when Sam came back

[Mr Mystery]

I'm really liking Sam's character.

If you like, he's us, the viewer taken from before the screen, and dropped into the situation. Completely unsuited to the task at hand, but willing to give it a bash anyways!

[eldargal]

I'm really liking Sam's character.

If you like, he's us, the viewer taken from before the screen, and dropped into the situation. Completely unsuited to the task at hand, but willing to give it a bash anyways!

http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1078/2544/original.jpg

[Mr Mystery]

Snow says they cant stop an army that size, and I call BS. they wouldn't have too, an army that size would never be able to climb over a large cliff like that.

Yup.

I mean, 100,000 people, all attempting to climb an ice wall, without ropes, and just pinions? Surely the ice itself will only be stable(ish) for so long, with so many things hacking into it?

Also also - Next time, drop the oil first yeah?

Also also, also - May have found myself having a wee cheer now and then during that episode. Stop. Hammer time! I feel slightly American for doing so, and thus sullied.

[daboarder]

mhm in the books that had a little more urgency to it... wonder if they decide to introduce a certain little magical something to the series after all to help with threatening the wall...

the problem basically arises form having what, 30-40 actors as the nights watch and foes, and your never going to be convinced 40 guys are fighting a pitched battle with a back drop that immense.

they pulled it off for blackwater because they could use the ships to mask the lack of numbers and only focus on the beach.

[Mr Mystery]

They're managing a better job than Sharpe did.

That was the one down side to Sharpe. 20 blokes trying to portray a Napoleonic battle....

[daboarder]

They're managing a better job than Sharpe did.

That was the one down side to Sharpe. 20 blokes trying to portray a Napoleonic battle....

....you could maybe do that right, with a lot of smoke and blurry backgrounds....

though 20 is probably too few, 40?

dont get me wrong, GoT is doing a decent job, and they are only half mangling the fighting. I'd just like to see more unit tactics.......

[Tyrendian]

it's not like there wasn't WETA workshop for that sort of job if you really want to do it right (and have the cash), and the Rome II Total War engine if you want to save money and it's just about distance shots and/or blurry stuff... I mean it's not on the scale of LotR battles anyway...

[Mr Mystery]

Guess it depends on what the budget needs to be spent on.

After all, they could do mass battles, but would it match the general level of quality they're going for with the series?

I thought they did quite well with what they had, especially focussing on the Southern Gate rather than the wall.

[Deadlift]

I loved it and thought it epic enough. The giants being the highlight for me. They were brilliant.

Sam is awesome and I'm guessing he will become more so, well unless he gets killed off. Fingers crossed that's not happening.

[Tyrendian]

yeah that was definitely the right thing to do... but it just felt so ridiculous seeing that single line of what? 50 dudes? and a whole two giants plus a single mammoth? coming out of the forest... I mean what kind of an idiot would send a token force like that, even as a distraction...

[Wolfshade]

One needs consider the cost and technology of Sharpe vs. GoT. Sharpe was actually made during the 80s (though not shown till 92 for ITV reasons). The costs at the time for a generic "good drama" was £600,000 per hour. Sharpe apparently cost much more than this. GoT is reportedly £3.5million per episode, so (if we inflate the £600,000 per hour to today's cost it rises to about £1million) so there is a magnitude of cost difference. Then, we need consider the technology, while CGI and green screen was about it was either very expesnive or looked a little naff, look at the computery stuff on ST:TNG in the early episodes, so things were done with physically which is expensive, also big budget tv movies weren't the things that people did back then, whereas now we have quite a pedegree of really good ones.

[Mr Mystery]

True enough.

Sharpe is still totally ace! Must get it on Bluray.

Time for second sittings, tonight with Simon and Chloe.

[DarkLink]

Yup.

I mean, 100,000 people, all attempting to climb an ice wall, without ropes, and just pinions? Surely the ice itself will only be stable(ish) for so long, with so many things hacking into it?

Also also - Next time, drop the oil first yeah?

Also also, also - May have found myself having a wee cheer now and then during that episode. Stop. Hammer time! I feel slightly American for doing so, and thus sullied.

I would ask a physicist before jumping to conclusions.

[Mr Mystery]

In which respect?

[Deadlift]

True enough.

Sharpe is still totally ace! Must get it on Bluray.

Time for second sittings, tonight with Simon and Chloe.


Read the books, they really are very very good. Bernard Cornwall is one of my favorite writers and his Sharp series is brilliant. I liked the TV series but the books are so much better (as is the case usually ? ) Sharps Tiger I think is the 1st one. I'm sure many of you have read the books, but those of you who have not, please give them a go.

[DarkLink]

In which respect?

In the sense that it's likely a little more complicated than 'hack it with lots of axes and it shatters'. I doubt they covered the structural properties of ice in school, so most people probably just assume ice axes can shatter ice because they saw it in a movie once. Now, in some circumstances it can shatter ice, but there are a lot of different types of ice depending on what chemicals are frozen in it and plenty of other complications, so I wouldn't just assume the wall will shatter if lots of people try to climb it. And since this is a work of fiction, it's reasonable to assume that if they're afraid of a bunch of wildlings climbing the wall, that the wildlings can climb the wall.

For that matter, the tactics aren't that bad. If the giants can tear open the gate, which they pretty clearly can even if the watch managed to stop them, 100 men won't hold against 100,000 for very long. It would take enough men that they couldn't man the walls or the castle properly, and a second attack like Tormund's would likely be successful. Even if not, every wound takes its toll, and you still need to eat or sleep. Hence Snow's suggestion to freeze the tunnel. They can reasonably shoot down climbers for a while, and only relatively small bands can climb over at a time, so they would at least hold out for a little longer. And from Mance's perspective, a small probing attack was the right move. Very low risk, high reward. He only lost a small fraction of his men, but probably killed half the garrison. He has more giants and mammoths, but a reckless attack would have cost him a lot more since the area outside the wall was a killing field. Now he knows about the scythe, the limits of the watch's bows, he's hurt them and depleted their stores of oil and arrows, for minimal cost.

[daboarder]

In the sense that it's likely a little more complicated than 'hack it with lots of axes and it shatters'. I doubt they covered the structural properties of ice in school, so most people probably just assume ice axes can shatter ice because they saw it in a movie once. Now, in some circumstances it can shatter ice, but there are a lot of different types of ice depending on what chemicals are frozen in it and plenty of other complications, so I wouldn't just assume the wall will shatter if lots of people try to climb it. And since this is a work of fiction, it's reasonable to assume that if they're afraid of a bunch of wildlings climbing the wall, that the wildlings can climb the wall.

For that matter, the tactics aren't that bad. If the giants can tear open the gate, which they pretty clearly can even if the watch managed to stop them, 100 men won't hold against 100,000 for very long. It would take enough men that they couldn't man the walls or the castle properly, and a second attack like Tormund's would likely be successful. Even if not, every wound takes its toll, and you still need to eat or sleep. Hence Snow's suggestion to freeze the tunnel. They can reasonably shoot down climbers for a while, and only relatively small bands can climb over at a time, so they would at least hold out for a little longer. And from Mance's perspective, a small probing attack was the right move. Very low risk, high reward. He only lost a small fraction of his men, but probably killed half the garrison. He has more giants and mammoths, but a reckless attack would have cost him a lot more since the area outside the wall was a killing field. Now he knows about the scythe, the limits of the watch's bows, he's hurt them and depleted their stores of oil and arrows, for minimal cost.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae

Only worse, because of the giant ice cliff being out of bow range from below and the like.

As to the ice, I believe that mystery was more refering to the fact that 100,000 men trying to climb a wall like that are going to suffer a serious rate of attrition, just from natural circumstances such as fracturing ice, weariness etc

though to be fair the wildlings are likely to send up initial climbers and then secure anchor points to make it easier for the rest (though your still likely to lose significant numbers in the climb.

Basically the whole wall situation is like a nightmare combination of Thermopylae and Hannibal's attempt to cross the alps. Good luck with that.

[DarkLink]

The Spartans also had 300 elite warriors and 8000 Athenians and other miscellaneous greeks backing them up. That's plenty to have someone holding the line at any given point in time, with cooks and doctors for the wounded and plenty of time for people to get the rest they need. The watch had about a hundred "untrained boys and tired old men". And remember, the Greeks were killed basically to the man as soon as the Persians found a way around the pass. Mance has a readily available means of getting around the wall that, while dangerous, is not at all an unreasonable means of sending a few hundred men to attack castle black. I mean, we literally watched him do that on-screen.

Meanwhile, the tunnels looks maybe 15-20 men shoulder width, and Westeros doesn't make heavy use of shields and spears. So you need 30+ men awake and actively fighting at any given time, and you're taking casualties as you go. Sure, you'll probably have a pretty good kill/death ratio, but you simply can't dedicate nearly half your force to such an intense effort and expect to last for very long. It doesn't matter much if it takes a day or a week or if you kill ten wildlings for every brother, you will run out of men quickly. And that's not taking into account the fact that Mance can send raiding bands over the wall a few miles in each direction at a whim to keep the pressure on the castle. So now your ~60 remaining dudes have to man the walls at Castle Black instead of tending to the wounded, not to mention the men you'd want at the top of the wall to fire arrows at the attackers. Considering how effective Tormund's attack was, it wouldn't take much for Mance to keep the pressure on with minimal effort until the watch buckled. All Mance has to do is establish a foothold at the tunnel and then victory is basically inevitable barring politics or outside forces.

After the initial attack left probably half the brothers dead or wounded, it only will be exponentially harder to defend the wall after the next attack, and this one nearly broke through. Hollywood swordfighting and dramatic deaths aside, this wasn't unrealistic at all.

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Edit: Sorry, 7000 greeks. Totally changes things :rolleyes:.

[Tyrendian]

tangentially, was it just me or should someone count the Men of the Watch we actually see die over the course of the episode? to me it seemed like that number was close to a hundred at least...

[DarkLink]

Yeah, pretty sure Torumund and the cannibal guy and Yggritte each killed like fifty guys.

[Wildeybeast]

See, this is one of the changes that I don't get. In the book, the watch had he good sense to freeze the tunnel (probably because Throne was busy being an arse at Eas****ch) and Mance sent endless waves of troops to hack at it. Both sides were much more sensible.

[Gotthammer]

https://31.media.tumblr.com/c53da187e0bbd0ca8dda878547602430/tumblr_n6zxj3YKVa1rnyeudo1_500.jpg

Also:

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[Wildeybeast]

It think we've had those before, but still good. Shame they haven't got one for House Martel, the bestest of the houses.

[DarkLink]

See, this is one of the changes that I don't get. In the book, the watch had he good sense to freeze the tunnel (probably because Throne was busy being an arse at Eas****ch) and Mance sent endless waves of troops to hack at it. Both sides were much more sensible.

Thorne simply didn't believe Snow. And they had that little scene where Thorne admitted he was wrong. Plus, why would Mance throw too many troops at the wall? The real attack was from Tormund, he just probed their defenses to put some pressure on them. Exposing more of his men would really only get more of them killed.

[Tyrendian]

Thorne simply didn't believe Snow. And they had that little scene where Thorne admitted he was wrong. Plus, why would Mance throw too many troops at the wall? The real attack was from Tormund, he just probed their defenses to put some pressure on them. Exposing more of his men would really only get more of them killed.

or, you know, having any kind of a follow-up in the tunnel (that was obviously still very passable) would have broken the Watch in half... but that's probably why he didn't do it: we've a plot to follow... :D

[DarkLink]

Right, the battle isn't over. It's only day 1, and if Snow doesn't do something, they'll get attacked again tonight, and tomorrow night, and so on until they fall. Mance could afford to only send a few hundred men and a couple giants at them. They took a bunch of casualties, he knows about their defenses such as the scythe, and he almost won the first battle anyways. Now he's free to adjust his approach appropriately.

[Tyrendian]

which is why Jon went out there to "do something"... alone and unarmed... *sigh* at least take Ghost with you you lackwit (although I'd imagine he'll follow anyways just to "surprise" the audience at some point)
also, this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-TYTCYMfWs

[DarkLink]

Oh, you'll see....

[DrLove42]

Series finale tonight!

I predict excitement and awesomeness. And the last scene to be Pod and Briene encountering BwB and Lady Stoneheart...

[Mr Mystery]

26 and a bit hours until it airs in the UK.

Please be very careful of spoilers, and at least let us know they're coming in your post.

[Aenir]

yeah, like this :P

http://totallyheroes.mymiddleearth.com/files/2014/04/3D9dy.jpg


sorry, couldn't resist

[Mr Mystery]

Classy! And subtle!

[daboarder]

well, without spoilers I for one am confused as all hell about the way they handled certain characters in this episode.

They really are taking heavy liberties with the source material now.

hmm and they didnt include a certain reveal I was expecting....hmm

and all I could think at the end was

"HAHAHA he wasn't expecting that ****"

[Gotthammer]

I'm only passingly familiar with the books and I thought it was pretty awesome. The "I'm not a knight" scene was ****ing intense!!!

[daboarder]

I'm only passingly familiar with the books and I thought it was pretty awesome. The "I'm not a knight" scene was ****ing intense!!!

Aye, it looks like they went out of the way to actually answer that one, its a question that the fandom has considered for a while.

I bet Eldargal is going to love the outcome of that fight. so awesome on both their parts really.

[Gotthammer]

And the dude at the end's face "where did you get this..?" *craps pants* :p And Peter Dinklage stealing the show as well.

It's not an episode this time, it's an experience.

[daboarder]

And the dude at the end's face "where did you get this..?" *craps pants* :p And Peter Dinklage stealing the show as well.

It's not an episode this time, it's an experience.

I dunno, I liked it, but its most certainly is the "middle" of the story, it has a very, expectant ending as opposed to the previous rather "conclusive" endings

[Gotthammer]

Yep, going to be interesting how they keep the story together as a coherent TV series given everyone's so scattered now.

[DrLove42]

Highlight for thoughts....

-WTF with killing Jojen! I get hes kinda superfluous now Brans there, but still. He didn't need that to happen
- I like it continuing the books and not explicitly stating that Sandor is dead. Fan hope for his return and redemption
- Arya is still a badass. I liked the Feminism talk that Arya had, what with her being the first strong female lead she could follow. Makes her Bravos decision harder
- Pod is still adorable
- Disapointed in the lack of Lady Stoneheart. She should have showed up.
- Disappointed Tyrions thought about "not ****ting gold" didn't make it in.

Overall, great episode. Lots of great tie ups to story lines. But not that many cliff hangers for next season

[Mr Mystery]

And 41 weeks to go.

Lame!!! Need moar naow!

[Deadlift]

I was a little disappointed, I've heard the books like to drag things out a little and the style of writing can be a little over the top. I worry the show is going the same way. Brianne v Hound was awesome and pointless in equal measure. I knew the Hounds fate from a spoiler but the changes were a little unneeded really. Still it made for fun TV.

[Wildeybeast]

Where the eff did the dragur come from!? I'm disappointed with Tywin's end. To have tyrion kill him over Shae disminishes his character somewhat. It's much more justified after Jamie's confession, but I can only assume the writers figured people wouldn't remember a small piece of back story from series 1. I agree DL, Beauty and the Hound fight was amusingly pointless.

[DarkLink]

I'm assuming you're calling that fight pointless because you think it's only there to prolong arya meeting back up with sansa or something. Because future developments will disabuse you of that notion. Her plot goes in a completely different direction, and it was this progression that allowed it to do so.

[daboarder]

I'm assuming you're calling that fight pointless because you think it's only there to prolong arya meeting back up with sansa or something. Because future developments will disabuse you of that notion. Her plot goes in a completely different direction, and it was this progression that allowed it to do so.

So does the hounds to be honest


Where the eff did the dragur come from!? I'm disappointed with Tywin's end. To have tyrion kill him over Shae disminishes his character somewhat. It's much more justified after Jamie's confession, but I can only assume the writers figured people wouldn't remember a small piece of back story from series 1. I agree DL, Beauty and the Hound fight was amusingly pointless.

I agree, I was expecting that line, without it there is the question of why the hell tyrion went to tywins appartment in the first damn place