A Song of Ice and Fire thread

[DarkLink]

He didn't kill her over Shae, at least not directly. In case you haven't noticed, he's got a lot of daddy issues. Including believing that his dad hired a whore to pretend to marry him so he could "become a man", then have her basically raped in front of him. Then threatening to kill the second "whore" that Tyrion loved, except turns out that Tywin was a total hypocrite for all those times that he criticized Tyrion for spending time with whores by doing precisely that, more or less demonstrating that Shae was probably totally faking it the whole time as well.

It might not have been quite as explicit as in the books, but nothing was lost in that scene, and frankly I think a witty comment like "I guess he doesn't really **** gold" would have ruined the mood of the scene.

It's easy to get carried away with "well this happened in the books but they didn't show it here", but you have to realize that writing a book and writing a tv series are two very, very different things. Even aside from budget issues and time constraints, dialogue has to be delivered differently, the pacing of scenes and episodes and overarcing plots is completely different, so you're not going to get a 1-1 conversion, not if the director is doing a decent job that is.

[Bigred]

I'm having some real issues with the show at this time and may well bail out...

NOTE: I have not and won't read the novels, and none of my issues are with the novel's plot - it's with the show runners.

1) They have this issue of killing off characters the readers care about and invest a large amount of time with. I would say that many more important protagonists than antagonists have been killed off. The issue with this is that without some type of balancing act - or real short term meaning to the protagonists deaths, you are just wasting the viewers time and eroding their trust.

Many folks wrote off Lost during its 4th season when they introduced popular characters and killed them off with no real payoff. The X-files also cratered towards the end of it's run when it "sold out" it's roots in the opinion of many fans and didn't give them the "big payoff" the show had promised for so long. Chris Carter basically killed his career with that. The risk with killing off characters viewers are attached to, is you make it harder for them to become emotionally invested to later characters you introduce. Fool me once and all of that...

2) They are tending to kill off the better actors. This of course is one of those random things that a show runner can't entirely predict, but with any ensemble cast you will get some amazing actors (Dinklage, Pascal, Rigg) and some duds (Turner, Clarke). So the trick is how to deal with their charisma on screen while staying as true to the plot as possible. What GoT has done is apparently (I haven't read the books) stayed close to the overall plot, but by chance they are killing off not only more protagonists, but very good actors. And that's dangerous for any show.

If you asked an average TV viewer "Would you watch a 7 year show where the good guys and most of the quality actors all get killed and the bad guys pretty much roll all over them with few repercussions - but trust us, by the last year of the show it's all going to turn out well?" Most people would say no... I would posit a theory that the death of Tyrion would cost the show a substantial percentage of it's viewers at this point.

3) The dramatic pacing is just awful. Remember that episode of Lost where Locke opens the hatch and the entire 1 hour episode was various angles of him descending the ladder. Episodes of GoT are starting to feel like that. The long needless scenes added here and there to fill time, while things you actually care about are left ignored. The show runners love surprises, but are having issues building up genuine suspense and maintaining momentum of story. Even many of the surprises are presented so flatly, you just kind of register they occurred before moving onto the next cast member you haven't seen in 5 episodes. Its just becoming an jumbled mess plot and pacing wise.

Finally, I assume the show runners are sweating bullets about now without those final 2 novels from Martin. I bet they assumed they wouldn't catch up to the books this fast.

I predict rough seas ahead...

[Gotthammer]

and some duds (Turner, Clarke).

Oh no you didn't!

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3) The dramatic pacing is just awful.

I do agree with you here though, I generally tune out when Bran's on screen - not because of any dislike of the actors or such but because nothing's happening with him besides vague circular conversations with Jojen.



Finally, I assume the show runners are sweating bullets about now without those final 2 novels from Martin. I bet they assumed they wouldn't catch up to the books this fast.

Apparently they have the plot outline for the entire series, so in some ways book fans are hoping Martin hurries up so the show doesn't spoil it for them. To pull an example out of my *** if next season opens with Sansa pushing Baylish through the moon door it's going to indicate that down the line he's going to die.

[Bigred]

Oh no you didn't!

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Rilm_xXua6M/U22CC6dx19I/AAAAAAAAq9w/X6PzFXjFieo/w800-h800/tumblr_m9jqnqrygY1rwqq0uo1_400.gif

I should have added Rigg to the list of the good actors/actresses... She is absolutely magnetic on screen.

Also, the show runners need to watch this as they have absolutely no idea of anything Hitchcock is talking about in this clip:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPFsuc_M_3E

[Wolfshade]

1&2) This is replicating the books. I fear Martin has written himself into a whole. He doesn't know how to move the story on so he introduces yet more characters and it is a case of one step forawrd, two steps back. So but the time we are up ot speed with a new character the main plot has stagnated. The odd shock death of a "major" minor character is always a good hook, but as you say can just turn people off.

3) "The dramatic pacing is just awful" - is once again replicating the books. ;)

[Gotthammer]

I partly agree with that vid - the difference being that not letting the bomb go off only works in a short work like a movie and GoT wouldn't work if it was always thrown out of the proverbial window in time (or would be Lord of the Rings). I do agree that there is a need to work on the way scenes are presented though.
I thought the Brienne / Arya scene did that well, as when they're talking Arya gives an aside, so we're there knowing who's behind the rock and that it will get very real very shortly, but they're just chatting away and actually having a nice conversation.

[daboarder]

word is that the studio may not even bother with lady stoneheart.....and we're officially traipsing into "inspired by" land...sigh

[Bigred]

I've kind of grouped the show into three groups of characters at this point:

Pay Attention Time:
Tyrion
Tyrell
Obyron (sob, sob)
Varys
Littlefinger
The Hound-Arya murder-duo
Lady Tyrell
Stannis-Melisandre burninating-duo
Mance
Bron

Keep an eye on things:
Cerce-Jaime incest-duo
John Snow
Danyris
Walder Frey

Bathroom/Refrigerator Time:
Bran et al
Non Mance wildlings
Pod
Brianne
All Maesters
Dany's underlings
Stannis' underlings-family
Sansa
Lady Tyrell's family
All Greyjoys (please make the misery end...)
All Boltons (pretty please make the misery end...)
All Tullys


I'f they killed off most of group three and gave group 1 their screentime - THAT would be a show!

[Psychosplodge]

http://i58.tinypic.com/sq33vl.gif

http://i58.tinypic.com/2d1a9au.gif

[Deadlift]

I've been put off reading the books due to the series. I do enjoy it very much but there are episodes, characters and parts to the story that quite frankly add nothing to the overall plot. As others have said you get the feeling the writer has lost the way sometimes and forgotten how to move the overall story along. So adds even more characters instead.
I wasn't left chomping for more at the end of this series. Walking Dead and Falling Skies on the other hand I can't get enough of.

[eldargal]

You can beat people to death with the books.

I think Turner and Clarke are great in their roles personally, Turner in particular, lot of depth there really. also how can you not love Brienne?:p Brienne is amaze.

[Mr Mystery]

I've kind of grouped the show into three groups of characters at this point:
The Hound-Arya All Westeros Tag Team Starting and Freestyle Pagga Champions



Fix'd.

[Gotthammer]

Not love Brienne and Podrick?

http://31.media.tumblr.com/9ca54188feb3e986d419c6897db59d3b/tumblr_n0rqrfVPoh1qirafjo3_250.gif

Also:

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[eldargal]

<3 Brienne.

Lol. Imagine school roll call.
'Lannister Lannister'
'Present'
'Lannister Laninster'
'Present'
'Lannister Lannister'
'Present'
'Lannister Lannister'
'Present'
'Lannister! Stop saying present! Where are all your brothers and sisters'
'Lannister and Lannister got sent to incest rehab, Lannister was poisoned and Lannister accidentally shot Lannister with a crossbow while he was pooping'

[Gotthammer]

A whole lot of problems could've been solved with one of these:

http://37.media.tumblr.com/d60c39603d8d3a06c569ad98a526236f/tumblr_n6rwsgKHjY1sfmyt4o1_500.jpg


-


http://37.media.tumblr.com/f4bc098043de7f2af6775e332f5d0b04/tumblr_n5su5mgTdw1qaq3bko2_500.jpg

http://38.media.tumblr.com/5a66c01cbdde2ecd38c33319892f33cd/tumblr_n5su5mgTdw1qaq3bko1_500.jpg

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Really what they should do in the show is bring back Pedro Pascal as Oberof, Oberyn's twin brother come to avenge him - classic RPG move when your favourite character gets killed :p

[Deadlift]

You can beat people to death with the books.

I think Turner and Clarke are great in their roles personally, Turner in particular, lot of depth there really. also how can you not love Brienne?:p Brienne is amaze.

I like Brienne too, she's great. But I didn't see the point of her fight with the Hound. He was a gonna anyway with that festering neck wound and I'm guessing the fight was just added for some action. Was a pretty good punch up though, just didn't like the fact it was between two of my favorites.
Briennes story now though ? Where's that headed ? I'm guessing Pods going to get it at some point. He's a likable guy and they usually end up dead. But that's the thing with this story now. It's pretty predictable who's going to die. Seeing favorites die is no longer a shock factor, it's kind of expected. I'm glad we're seeing more of Jon Snow too, he has been waiting in the wings far too long.

[eldargal]

Yeah it was a bit odd, nice to see her being badass though so not complaining.:p As for Pod, you will have to wait and see.;) Hehehe.

[DarkLink]

Also, the show runners need to watch this as they have absolutely no idea of anything Hitchcock is talking about in this clip:

I'm sure you know more about this than several of the most successful directors of one of the most popular tv series of the time, which being a different medium than movies follows different rules. It's one thing to say that you don't care for the direction the show's taken so it's not your thing, and to say that the people making the show are incompetent. And frankly, I disagree that they've done too much to violate the point of that clip. But, whatever.


Really what they should do in the show is bring back Pedro Pascal as Oberof, Oberyn's twin brother come to avenge him - classic RPG move when your favourite character gets killed

About that...

[eldargal]

I'm more concerned with their overuse of female nudity, underuse of male nudity and somewhat cavalier attitude towards rape than the showrunners technique personally.

[Mr Mystery]

I want to learn the Cello.

And gather Viola players to me.

We will then go and hang around outside Churches, and demand money with menaces NOT to play the Rains of Castermere during the service.

[Psychosplodge]

The cello is a female instrument, male cello players are prone to cellist's scrotum which sounds really painful.

[Mr Mystery]

Doesn't matter, as long as they pay me not to play.

[Wolfshade]

The viola player is the rarer of the two.

[Mr Mystery]

I know musical types. Plan will work!

[DarkLink]

I would actually expand on the ticking bomb with this comparison: instead of baseball, you're at a company retreat, so people are vying for favor while trying not to get fired. They go out for a game of golf, and someone steps on a mine. Now everyone has to negotiate the minefield, but they're still arguing over who's boss. Some people you like get takenaway, making things more and more desperate for the remaining heroes. Meanwhile, someone left the gas on, so you know when they get back to the hotel it could blow up on everyone, but everyone is too petty and wrapped up in their stupid business politics and surviving the minefield to care.

So, yeah, more complicated, with a lot more slow-burning elements, but thats the nature of a tv show vs a movie. The same basic principles still apply.

At the same time, the producers are limited by the source material. They can change things, but only so much, so considering what they have to work with they've done a phenominal job. I liked the book, but I love the show. Every single change they've made (except the jamie cersei thing) has been for the better in my opinion, even if it isn't immediately obvious why.

So I can totally understand if such a dark series isn't your thing, and how interesting a character or plot is will always be highly subjective, but GoT has unquestionably found a very effective balance, regardless of whether or not it's perfect. And I can think of several extremely tense scenes on par with stuff like, say, the opening scene of Inglorious *******s. The cupbearer thing with Tyrion and Joffery? Even knowing exactly what would happen, that was extremely tense.


I'm more concerned with their overuse of female nudity, underuse of male nudity and somewhat cavalier attitude towards rape than the showrunners technique personally.

In light of some of their more pro feminist plot threads... eh, but I do think their one real miss r ep was the jamie cersei thing. Though considering that, while sympathetic, jamie still tried to murder Bran and cersei is just generally murderously psychotic, they have enough of a screwed up relationship that I could see it actually happening while remaining consistent with the characters. They just made it too ambiguous.

[Bigred]

Regarding the show runners, these are their gravitas:

David Benioff:
Directorial Credits:
When the Nines Roll Over (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1503666/?ref_=nm_flmg_dr_2)

Writing Credits:
It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia (TV Series) (written by - 1 episode)
- Flowers for Charlie (2013) ... (written by)
2009/I Brothers (screenplay)
2009 X-Men Origins: Wolverine (screenplay)
2007 The Kite Runner (screenplay)
2006 When the Nines Roll Over (Short)
2005/I Stay (written by)
2004 Troy (screenplay)
2002 25th Hour (novel) / (screenplay)

D.B. Weiss
Directorial Credits:
none

Writing Credits:
It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia (TV Series) (written by - 1 episode)

So we're not dealing with experienced show runners here, and especially not on the directorial side. Zero previous shows under their belts and only a single short between the both of them on the directorial side. But then HBO is know for giving new shows to relative newcomers and rolling the dice. The guy who runs True Detective came from pretty much out of nowhere and that worked out swimmingly. These guys certainly picked material that struck a chord with the audience, but how much of that is them vs the material and the HBO infrastructure is questionable.

Actually come to think of it, many of my GoT pacing and style complaints are shared with Troy (2004). That was also pretty to look at, and fairly action-y but plotwise plodding and overall dull.

[DarkLink]

You're leaving off four seasons of one of the most successful and most watched shows in tv history, and 18.4 million people disagree with your claim that it's boring, but I digress.

[Path Walker]

You're leaving off four seasons of one of the most successful and most watched shows in tv history, and 18.4 million people disagree with your claim that it's boring, but I digress.

I dunno, most people I know are finding it a little boring now, last nights episode was good but the last two seasons have dragged and relied on two or three episodes to shine, an audience of 18.4 M doesn't mean that 18.4 million people aren't finding it boring.

I positively hated most of the last few seaons of Lost but I persevered, I'll stick with GoT too, mainly because after 20 years, I want to know what happens but I really can't face reading the new books, the first four were bad enough.

[Wildeybeast]

He didn't kill her over Shae, at least not directly. In case you haven't noticed, he's got a lot of daddy issues. Including believing that his dad hired a whore to pretend to marry him so he could "become a man", then have her basically raped in front of him. Then threatening to kill the second "whore" that Tyrion loved, except turns out that Tywin was a total hypocrite for all those times that he criticized Tyrion for spending time with whores by doing precisely that, more or less demonstrating that Shae was probably totally faking it the whole time as well.

It might not have been quite as explicit as in the books, but nothing was lost in that scene, and frankly I think a witty comment like "I guess he doesn't really **** gold" would have ruined the mood of the scene.

It's easy to get carried away with "well this happened in the books but they didn't show it here", but you have to realize that writing a book and writing a tv series are two very, very different things. Even aside from budget issues and time constraints, dialogue has to be delivered differently, the pacing of scenes and episodes and overarcing plots is completely different, so you're not going to get a 1-1 conversion, not if the director is doing a decent job that is.

Jamie is the one who claims to have hired his wife and confesses in the tunnel that actually she was exactly what she had appeared to be. Tywin had made Jamie lie. Not only does Tyrion find out that Jamie, the brother he idolises and the only member of his family he trusts, lied to him, but his father made him take part in the gang rape of his own wife. That's why he shoots him, not because he has daddy issues or because daddy stole Shae from him. He isn't that shallow and his far more composed and calculating. It's only this extreme revelation, coupled with the fact Tywin doesn't give a sh1t about it which compels him to shoot him. Killing him in this fashion makes Tyrion seem much more emotional than he is. Also, he didn't shoot him in the groin. And how the hell does he find his way to the chamber? I have no issues with changes from the books (I loved the interplay between Tywin and Arya in Harrenhal) just changes that are questionable.

[DarkLink]

Everything there is based on assumptions that you made based on what you read in the books. This isn't the books. The characters are subtly but importantly different. A snarky Bond one-liner would have been a huge mistake. There are definitely times when it's easy to let what happened in the books cloud your interpretation of what happened in the show, but just because it's different doesn't make it shallow. I much prefer that Jamie and Tyrion still love each other, rather than having that relationship torn down. Disregard what happened in the books, and it's fairly obvious what Tyrion was trying to do. After having everything taken from him, he wanted resolution with the conflicts with his father, likely to kill him. Running into and killing Shae was a rather traumatic coincidence that served to push him just that much more over the edge.

And they did bring up that Varys showed Tyrion all the secret passages in the keep, though it wouldn't be hard to forget since it was brought up way back in season 2.

[Wildeybeast]

You make an interesting point about looking at them separate from the books, but that doesn't work for me. I can't separate them from the books because they aren't different enough. If it was something like BSG, for example, where the new one was a radical reinterpretation of the original, then fine, I can separate the two. But they have made a very conscious effort to keep it similar to the books, just making a a small number of tweaks and changes. When they do that, those changes need to work, or at least have good reasons for doing so. The rape scene didn't work. I don't see any reason for changing the motivations for Tyrion killing Tywin. I respect and appreciate your approach to the series, but it doesn't work for me so I will have to agree to disagree.

[DarkLink]

Still don't think Tyrion's motivations really changed at all, especially after reading this :p :http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/06/16/game-of-thrones-finale-martin/


Most every change from the book I've heard people complain about I can think of a good reason why they changed it. They added Ros, because they needed to introduce some of the exposition that wouldn't have translated well from the books to the show. They added the dragon kidnapping, because Danerys' plot was slow, and they've significantly accelerated her plot now. The only real misstep in my opinion was the rape scene, but I even think that was a little overblown because I really can see Jamie and Cersei's relationship being that messed up as I said earlier (the real mistake was their making it too ambiguous so long after Jamie has become such a sympathetic character, if that scene had been in season 1 or 2 people would have just been like 'oh, yeah, that's the kingslayer for you').

[eldargal]

It wasn't just the rape scene, it was that the showrunners didn't know it was a rape scene. Plus they turned Drogo asking for consent in the first book into a joke that no was the only word he knew in the series. Plus a tendency to sexualise violence against female characters in quite a gratuitous way

[Gotthammer]

https://31.media.tumblr.com/7bbdcb939552d1eac8922759e0ea755d/tumblr_n7c9amIy0r1r9h4heo1_1280.jpg

Disney princesses as GoT characters

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wk0WBshBR18/UweJZIIKd0I/AAAAAAAAFTI/NaXLRBfdDNI/s1600/jufvafxdoriv0rbtrmte.jpg

(large version (http://www.rowsdowr.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/disney_princesses_as_game_of_thrones_by_djedjehuti-d770lzw.jpg))

[eldargal]

Lol.

Ooh very nice.:)

By the way am I the only one who doesn't get the fuss about Rains of Castamere? Everyone loves it 'cept me it seems.

[Mr Mystery]

See my cunning plan from earlier.......

[Wildeybeast]

Still don't think Tyrion's motivations really changed at all, especially after reading this :p :http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/06/16/game-of-thrones-finale-martin/


Most every change from the book I've heard people complain about I can think of a good reason why they changed it. They added Ros, because they needed to introduce some of the exposition that wouldn't have translated well from the books to the show. They added the dragon kidnapping, because Danerys' plot was slow, and they've significantly accelerated her plot now. The only real misstep in my opinion was the rape scene, but I even think that was a little overblown because I really can see Jamie and Cersei's relationship being that messed up as I said earlier (the real mistake was their making it too ambiguous so long after Jamie has become such a sympathetic character, if that scene had been in season 1 or 2 people would have just been like 'oh, yeah, that's the kingslayer for you').

His motivations haven't changed, his reasons for them have. That whole article is about the revelations of what happened with his wife.

[eldargal]

https://31.media.tumblr.com/89101f5f6216dfc6c942f69ee647dd8f/tumblr_n6kjhkrTI81qzoa3to1_500.gif

[Gotthammer]

I approve :)

[eldargal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ngj2_Xjjsw

[Gotthammer]

Peytr Baelish - IT consultant (http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/9bc95a7a4a/game-of-thrones-littlefinger-it-consultant).


http://37.media.tumblr.com/d92383d979258c94b4cc882afabcdfca/tumblr_n7c5fltOem1qgdi1po1_1280.jpg

[eldargal]

Lol.

also lol. No Renegade option to cut his balls off to make earrings for Arya.

[DarkLink]

My stupid phone won't let me copy/paste youtube links without screwing the address up. Google game of thrones wrecking ball for lols.

[eldargal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUXTYy96cXk
?

[eldargal]

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[DarkLink]

?

Yep

[Wildeybeast]

Peytr Baelish - IT consultant (http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/9bc95a7a4a/game-of-thrones-littlefinger-it-consultant).


http://37.media.tumblr.com/d92383d979258c94b4cc882afabcdfca/tumblr_n7c5fltOem1qgdi1po1_1280.jpg

Pretty much any of those options would have solved that situation without the need to stove Sandor's head in with a rock. I'm going to miss the Hound.

[Mr Mystery]

40 weeks to go now!

[DarkLink]

Pretty much any of those options would have solved that situation without the need to stove Sandor's head in with a rock. I'm going to miss the Hound.

Well, after a few weeks on the road, they probably didn't have the wolf-bread, and even if they still did, they'd probably forgotten about it. Showing the royal letter or asking who paid for the Hound's sword would have made him start the fight on pure principle. As soon as she mentions Jamie Lannister, Arya completely shuts down and will absolutely refuse to ever do anything with her for the forseeable future (remember, Jamie tried to murder her little brother, and she hates Lannisters as much as Oberyn), and I'm not sure if Brienne even knows that they forged the sword from Ice. Even if she did, again, mentioning how she's buddy-buddy with Jamie is precisely the opposite of productive with Arya. Given the characters involved, the fight was pretty much inevitable.

[Gotthammer]

https://31.media.tumblr.com/42ee731356c483d33a72408beb0bc5d0/tumblr_n79st5g54I1skjnfvo1_500.jpg

[eldargal]

Ha!

[DrLove42]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/10369230_809770005719954_3043623811478852223_n.jpg

How it should have ended.

Jeez the internet just cannot cope with this one death..

[Mr Mystery]

That's because most people on the Internets have the emotional range of a small, plastic Hamster, and don't get what drove Oberyn.

[Wildeybeast]

Good old fashioned blood vengeance with a unhealthy dose of arrogance.

[DrLove42]

Confirmed - The Lady Stoneheart will NOT be appearing in the TV adaptation of the books.

Not sure what they'll do with Briennes quest now....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/25/game-of-thrones-lady-stoneheart-michelle-fairley_n_5530215.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

[eldargal]

That's ****ing stupid. Either she is lying so as not to spoil the reveal, they are recasting the character (or CGIing maybe?)or the writers are ****ing insane.

[daboarder]

huh, that could be enough for the show to lag in my opinion, half the charm is how faithful it is to the books.

Well, In good news History channel has confirmed Vikings will be getting a 3rd season, so sacking paris is going to be a thing!

[eldargal]

I love this show but every season there are 2-3 things they **** up which make me feel like giving up on it and so far this is the worst of them.

[Mr Mystery]

Confirmed - The Lady Stoneheart will NOT be appearing in the TV adaptation of the books.

Not sure what they'll do with Briennes quest now....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/25/game-of-thrones-lady-stoneheart-michelle-fairley_n_5530215.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

I'm not at all sure that is confirmed.... All she said was 'she's dead'. Well, yes, Lady Stoneheart is indeed dead, on account of being a Zombie type thing.

I'm going to do my usual 'wait and see'

[eldargal]

Yeah it's either sneakiness so as not to make the reveal a surprise (Michelle Fairley is returning as Lady Stoneheart, not Catelyn Stark, who is well ded), its being recast/cgid or the showrunners have completely lost their minds.

[Denzark]

I have just watched the final episode of S4. WTF? I can get changes for the sake of the limitations of TV. Ie we haven't got the money to film x or why. But this series has started to slide seriously away from the books for no reason. This is my list of annoyances (WARNING SPOILERS):

1. Why was a singer not framed for throwing Aunty Stark out the moon door?

2. Why in Gods name did Sansa reveal her secret? As if that wouldn't get out across the 7 kingdoms.

3. Stannis going to the Iron Bank in person?

4. Brienne killing the Hound? Really?

5. The frog person male (Jojen?) getting killed just before meeting the Children of the forest.

6. Rob Starks woman dying at the Red Wedding - she would be needed for dynastic shenanigans later on.


All in all because none of these thing seem to involve a huge budget/CGI/set to have gone per the book, I find them pointless and I am now hugely worried where they are going with the TV.

[Charon]

! SPOILERS !

Thats probably because they need to go on with the storyline and cant introduce 200000 characters like in the books.
Also we dont know yet if they derivate from the books just to get a better angle to close in again next season.

3) I guess to show how important the iron bank is and to remind the audience how poor stannis is at negotiating.
4) Probably to finish that one quick and go on with Arias storyline
5) I think they cut the children, same as coldhands.
6) She doesnt have any impact on the story after robbs dead. So I guess they just killed her to cut another boring and unimportant storyline. Otherwise the audience would just ask "But she survived... why dont we hear anything new of her... she still has robbs baby right? RIGHT?"

[Mr Mystery]

Just making me glad I don't mix my mediums, until the one I started with is finished.

GoT? First drawn in by the TV series. Walking Dead? Ditto.

By not touching the source material, I can enjoy the TV shows for what they are.

Which is of course great, until you're one of the peeps who started reading the books, and then started the show, in which case totally fair enough :)

[DarkLink]

I think it's hilarious how much people are freaking out. "OMFG, it's not literally exactly the same as the books and I can't comprehend how it might not be fiesable to copy a book to a tv series verbatim and now it's going to be the worst thing EVAAAAARRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Meanwhile, the people who haven't read the books don't notice at all because it's still a perfectly functional story.

[eldargal]

Yeah but you could cut out huge swathes of the books and still have a perfectly functional story. You could cut Jon Snow or Daenerys or who knows what and still have a fully functional story. But people who have read the books would still be pissed and it is bizarre that they are going to ignore one of the most interesting and highly anticipated characters with no explanation.

[Denzark]

I think it's hilarious how much people are freaking out. "OMFG, it's not literally exactly the same as the books and I can't comprehend how it might not be fiesable to copy a book to a tv series verbatim

Are you referring to me Darklink, in which case you clearly didn't quite get what I wrote. I'll make sure the spellchecker is not in Swahili and is in US English, 5 year old level if that helps.

[DarkLink]

It wasn't specifically addressed at you, no. Your spell checker works :p. Though most of the issues you bring up aren't as illogical as you might think. Within the context of the tv series, they make perfect sense. This is not the books. Stuff is c ghanging. If you can't separate the two and see the show as the independent story for which it is, it's your loss. Brienne killed the Hound because the Hound needed to maybe-die to get Arya to go to braavos and you need someone to do it, and if brienne's story is changing due to the lack of stoneheart (who I hated, because I realize now I never liked Catelyn precisely because she just turns into another psychotic murder because magic), then having her almost rescue Arya only for things to go wrong dovetails perfectly into the rest of the story. Baelish killing Lysa the way it happens here gives Sansa a huge serving of character development that she didn't get in the books. That was an awesome change, and Sansa has changed from a character half the internet hated because they thought she was stupid to one they love for becoming a gorgeous sith apprentance. I've said it before and I'll say it again, this isn't the books, and the same things that work in books don't always work within the constraints of a tv show, even if it means having to set aside your preconceived notions of how the show "should be" in favor of what actually works on screen. If you can't do that, I feel bad for you, but I'm still loving the show more than the books, and it's still hugely successful andg enerally awesome.

[Denzark]

Do you know what, what EG said about some story arcs being superfluous to the story I agree with - when reading or watching I always think 'wow leave mopey Danaerys (sp?) out of it, if I want dragons I'll read Anne MacCaffrey'. The series could indeed be chopped down without affecting the integrity of the story.

But some of what is described above doesn't (for me, admittedly YMMV) follow with characterisation. And whilst I acknowledge you can't do every little nook and cranny on the box, unless a change is absolutely essential, why bother, especially if it doesn't ring true?

Example:

Sansa. There is absolutely no way the Lords, having been confessed to by her in the Eyrie, would keep that to themselves. It would get out. Nobody in Westeros, let alone as venal as the Lords playing the game itself, would keep that to themselves. And that would lead to Cersei going batpoo mad to get her back, thinking she was in league with the Imp. I don't think that tracks.

Brienne. OK, her killing the Hound rather than his bones being found later, is quite neat. It was a good fight, I like Brienne. But her knowing 100% Arya was alive, would likely lead to her doing something stupid like going back to Jamie to beg on his newly discovered honour, for help to recover her. A major part of the geopolitical status in Westeros, after the red wedding, is because no one things Ned Stark has any heirs left (excepting Jon Snow). It would be an absolute game changer, and no one has any secrets of that magnitude in Westeros.

Cersei telling Tywin she nobbed Jamie - would never happen. She fears him, that was an act of contempt.

Jayne (I think that is name of Rob Stark's bride). She is being held hostage against Catelyn Stark's brothers good behaviour - her pregnancy is again a key political situation that the Boltons are manipulating. Or she isn't because she took a knife in her pregnant bump.


I agree the show is hugely successful and generally awesome - I enjoy everything in it - except for plot lines or characters being materially changed.

Maybe it is an acknowledgement of the producers, that TV viewers aren't as intellectual - I don't need them to spell out that Jon Snow is a teeny weeny bit upset about Ygritte by having to write in a scene where he torches her corpse.

[Wildeybeast]

I agree with DL that Sansa's change works well. Baelish has deliberately kept the Vale out of the war because it is all but impregnable to attack, so if he keeps the troops in there, he has probably the most powerful card to play. It wouldn't actually matter if the lords did squeal, because there is bugger all Cersei can do about it. She doesn't have the strength to attack the Vale, especially with Dorne even angrier with the Lannisters than it already was. Plus the lords did say how much they liked Ned and she is cousin to their current lord.

Denzark, you are confusing Rob's wife with Edmure Tully's wife. Rob's wife is never pregnant in the book as her mother was feeding her some sort of herbal contraceptive, an act which gets them back into Lannister good graces and ends her insignificant role. The Blackfish holds Riverrun until Jamie commands Edmure to order him to surrender or Jamie will catapult Edmure's pregnant wife into Riverrun. Either way, Rob's wife is never anything more than a plot device to trigger the Frey's betrayal (not that it takes much).

As for Lady Stoneheart, assuming the show really has decided to get rid of her, I can only think it is because GRR told them she doesn't matter. He has given them outlines of where the future books will go and has almost certainly told them which characters are dispensable. For example, Jojen is barely alive when they reach the Children in the book and Pyp and Gren are sent away by the new commander of the Night's watch and never heard from again, so may as well be dead.

[Psychosplodge]

Found some heirs

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[Wildeybeast]

Yeah, I saw her on the live coverage. Cameras spent almost as much time on Maisie as the bands.

[Psychosplodge]

I only watched the metallica set...

(Sansa is in the first one too)

[Wildeybeast]

Yeah but the cameras didn't pick her up. I have been mostly watching the football, I just caught her in between matches.

[Psychosplodge]

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[eldargal]

Lol.

Maisie Williams nearly missed GoT audition to visit pig farm (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-wiltshire-27986285)

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[Mr Mystery]

I've got £10 that Baleish is going to take his eye off the pot for a second, and Sansa winds up wearing his delicate flobbilydobbilies for earrings....

[Wildeybeast]

Lol.

Maisie Williams nearly missed GoT audition to visit pig farm (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-wiltshire-27986285)

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That's probably why she failed to stop him get all stabbed up in the throat.

[eldargal]

Yep, the joke certainly backfired on poor Renly.

[energongoodie]

Yeah it's either sneakiness so as not to make the reveal a surprise (Michelle Fairley is returning as Lady Stoneheart, not Catelyn Stark, who is well ded), its being recast/cgid or the showrunners have completely lost their minds.

I'm just catching up with this thread sorry.

I have spoken to Richard Dormer who plays Beric Dondarrion. He isn't going back at all for series 5 and doesn't think Michelle Fairley is either. Does this mean the whole Brotherhood storyline is gone?
If so, why start it in the first place?

[DarkLink]

At worst? It was never the 'brotherhood storyline'. It was part of Arya's. And it's entirely possible they bring it up again later even if stoneheart is missing, depending on its long term plot importance.

[Wildeybeast]

Yeah, I was disappointed the brotherhood got so little airtime in the books, especially as everyone other character spends so much time talking up Dondarrion. They do just seem to have been another plot device for Arya. Though the last book ended with Brienne possibly doing something interesting with Lady Stoneheart, so who knows what GRR has planned.

[DarkLink]

For all the fuss over the missing stoneheart, she's only had like two scenes total in the books. If Brienne get to the same place by searching for ninja-Arya as she did by being threatened by stoneheart, it might not matter in the overall plot even without making any other changes from the books. I'd bet on that, since GRRM is heavily involved after all.

[Wildeybeast]

I get the feeling he regretted murdering all the Starks in the red wedding, which is why he bought cat back as lady Stoneheart. She seems to have been an indulgence for fans and/or GRRM.

[eldargal]

She was also interesting and exciting even if she didn't do much. There was so much potential there and now the show is just 'lolnope not going to touch it' and it is really disappointing.

[Charon]

The sad thing is that cut out characters act like mini spoilers for the books.
As Martin told them where he intends to go with the books you can kind of extrapolate that every cut out character/faction wont play any major role in upcoming books.

[Mr Mystery]

She was also interesting and exciting even if she didn't do much. There was so much potential there and now the show is just 'lolnope not going to touch it' and it is really disappointing.

We still don't know she's not in it.

The actress has said the character is dead. Which is absolutely 100% correct, but doesn't preclude her involvement.

[eldargal]

Yeah, I'm still hoping its a bit of misdirection. Will be totes miffed if not.

[eldargal]

How young is too young for GoT do people think? After long careful deliberation and weighing of their maturity my aunt has allowed two of her daughters (almost 6 and 9) to watch it, just started on season 2. Coping fine with it so far, will stop if they react badly to anything. Really freaked my friends out who watch it, not so much as the nine year old telling them Cersei was her favourite and a great role model for girls knowing full well they all hated her. So proud.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Cersei comes across a lot less crazy in the series. I'm not sure if I like that or not.

[eldargal]

I prefer it, she is a bit tropey in the books.

Edit: We also start them on sex ed at five and don't raise them with the bourgeois terror of sex that characterises Anglosphere culture so that helps with the sex and nudity.

[Mr Mystery]

How young is too young for GoT do people think? After long careful deliberation and weighing of their maturity my aunt has allowed two of her daughters (almost 6 and 9) to watch it, just started on season 2. Coping fine with it so far, will stop if they react badly to anything. Really freaked my friends out who watch it, not so much as the nine year old telling them Cersei was her favourite and a great role model for girls knowing full well they all hated her. So proud.

I dunno. Violence and boobage aside (because hey, kids understand telly isn't actually real, and generally don't have a problem with nudity), I don't think they'd generally 'get' the series?

[eldargal]

You'd be surprised. Natalya, the eldest, predicted Ned Stark was going to die in episode two because 'he doesn't know how to play the game'.:) Certainly they don't get all the themes but then look how many adult fans misunderstand Sansa and others.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I prefer it, she is a bit tropey in the books.

Like super bonkers.


Edit: We also start them on sex ed at five and don't raise them with the bourgeois terror of sex that characterises Anglosphere culture so that helps with the sex and nudity.

I agree. But it isn't really GoT. xD

[Psychosplodge]

Is this just preparing them for life in the aristocracy?

[CoffeeGrunt]

Anyone else rallying to the cause of Stannis The Mannis Baratheon, the One True King?

[Mr Mystery]

I'm warming to the Lady Mallisandra (puntastic!).

She's becoming a more sympathetic character as the series progresses, from simple witch you kind of suspect is just in it for herself, and manipulating people's faith, to being shown as a true believer of her faith, and less of a Lady MacBeth.

[Gotthammer]

Anyone else rallying to the cause of Stannis The Mannis Baratheon, the One True King?

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:p


Oh, and his acting choices. I’ll give you an example. When I got back from Blackwater and I was on the rock and burnt to bits, we rehearsed that scene. And this is a man I’ve been breaking my back for for a long time. His first line was, “I thought you were dead.” And most actors, they’d stand up and there’d be a moment of recognition, that one of the family had returned.

Stephen decides he’ll sit down, with his back to me, and he just looked over his shoulder for a moment when he says, “I thought you were dead.” He gave me nothing! That was really brave, because most would go for sympathy or emotion, but Stephen has no desire to be liked. He just doesn’t give a ****!

But for me, it’s brilliant for the scene! Because that’s how my character feels, like, “Is that all I’m going to get?!” It’s a wonderful, wonderful thing we have, that power shift. Stephen’s a joy, a joy.

Liam Cunningham about Stephen Dillane, who is apparently basically Stannis.

[CoffeeGrunt]

Have to admit, Ser Davos was the guy who made me the Stannis fan I am today.

[eldargal]

I like Davos, Stannis is a bit of a prat though. Preferred Renly.

[Mr Mystery]

Dunno. Renly just seemed a bit of a goon to me, though quite possibly that's due to his portrayal on the screen. Not reading the books until telly is done and dusted!

[eldargal]

Renly was a bit of a goof but I think he would have been a good king. He knew how to motivate people, he cared about people and he knew how to play the game. Stannis is just a dour prat.

[Mr Mystery]

Yet Stannis has the legitimate claim - eldest surviving sibling of a King who had no legitimate offspring.

And I think Stannis is developing nicely as a character on the telly box :)

[eldargal]

Pfft, legitimacy.:p

[Gotthammer]

Stannis is just jelly because Renly had Margaery, Brienne and all the best one-liners on his side.

[CoffeeGrunt]

I dunno, Renly was a bit too much of a fairy in his show portrayal. A bit like Loras, they take an interesting character and go, "this dude's gay, so he's gotta be grossed out by everything manly and be ultra-camp, yo." Loras was all hot-blooded and a bit badass in the books, but gotta be a wimp on the TV show if he's hugging a boy now.

Stannis is about the only one not thinking of himself all the time. He is the only one who knows there's more to the world than the silly political squabbling of who gets the honour of sitting on the World's Most Uncomfortable Chair. He's also doggedly determined and damn if that isn't an endearing character trait!

[Wildeybeast]

'Renly is gold, Stannis is iron and Robert was true steel'. Sums them all up perfectly really. None of them is cut out to be king. Renly is too pampered and extravagant, too worried about popularity. Stannis is too inflexible, almost autistic in is black and white view of the world. Robert is the best of the three, but he was forged for battle and had no idea how to do anything else.

[eldargal]

I didn't think Loras was that wimpy in the show? He gets less screen time and less action but he was still quite badass, had his charge against the Baratheon forces at Kings Landing and whatnot.

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[CoffeeGrunt]

I dunno, during the fights with Lady Brienne and The Mountain, Loras spends more time crawling away on the floor than standing and fighting.

[eldargal]

Well the mountain caught him by surprise and Brienne is the best so can't blame him for that.:)

[CoffeeGrunt]

Brienne is amazing, but I dunno. He hasn't really had a moment of true badassery, like say, Stannis leading the charge on the Mud Gate, Ser Alliser mustering the men at the Wall, all that sorta stuff. Maybe a little more screen time would help, I can't even remember him at the Battle of Blackwater Bay.

[DarkLink]

They don't have time to dedicated lengthy battle scenes to every single knight in the entire series.

[Mr Mystery]

'Renly is gold, Stannis is iron and Robert was true steel'. Sums them all up perfectly really. None of them is cut out to be king. Renly is too pampered and extravagant, too worried about popularity. Stannis is too inflexible, almost autistic in is black and white view of the world. Robert is the best of the three, but he was forged for battle and had no idea how to do anything else.

I dunno man. A binary view of the world can make for a successful leader, if not necessarily a popular one. For a real life example, Maggie Thatcher. I may not like what she did to Britain, and my generation (born in 1980) are the ones really paying the price (escalating house prices, rampant capitalism which no party seems in a rush to fix). But, she got stuff done, and stuck to her guns. I can respect her for that.

[eldargal]

Yup. I'm more worried about him possibly being disfigured in the books honestly, just seems like such a cliche thing to do to a character who prides himself on his looks.

[Wildeybeast]

I dunno man. A binary view of the world can make for a successful leader, if not necessarily a popular one. For a real life example, Maggie Thatcher. I may not like what she did to Britain, and my generation (born in 1980) are the ones really paying the price (escalating house prices, rampant capitalism which no party seems in a rush to fix). But, she got stuff done, and stuck to her guns. I can respect her for that.

In that world it would lead to almost universal unpopularity and probably a swift and violent murder by someone or other once he was king. Look how his own banner men desert him after the battle of black water.

[DrLove42]

Bit late to this party.

I support Stannis and his claim. He has legitimacy on his side, not to mention that hes the only one whos actually using his army to try and protect the realm. All the other kings recieved the same call to arms from the Nights Watch and chose to ignore it.

Having Davos the Super Onion Knight with him is helpful.

Renly lost my support when he stormed off in a huff after Ned Stark said he'd help Stannis, the legitimate king, back in series one. His lack of support and men resulting in Neds predicament, plus dividing the Baratheon loyalist forces, which resulted in half of them joining the Tyrells and Lannisters is basically the reason the realm is in the state its in.

[Wildeybeast]

I think ned was the chump in that one. Rely made clear that they would die if they stayed in kings landing unless they staged a coup. He knew exactly what Cersei was about. Ned refused and look what happened.

[Mr Mystery]

In that world it would lead to almost universal unpopularity and probably a swift and violent murder by someone or other once he was king. Look how his own banner men desert him after the battle of black water.

Just need to keep the nobles happy, which is where Joffrey went wrong. He tried to keep himself, and only himself happy. Plus his Grandad and Mum's constant machinations didn't help matters much.

Stannis is much more of his own man, and has a better grip of what's what.

[CoffeeGrunt]

Look how his own banner men desert him after the battle of black water.

In his defense, it was mostly because they were on fire.

[Wildeybeast]

Just need to keep the nobles happy, which is where Joffrey went wrong. He tried to keep himself, and only himself happy. Plus his Grandad and Mum's constant machinations didn't help matters much.

Stannis is much more of his own man, and has a better grip of what's what.

But that's my point, he couldn't care less about keeping the nobles happy. He thinks they should just do as they are told because he is their rightful ruler. Without Davos and Melisandre to moderate him, he'd be absolutely useless as a leader (other than on the battlefield as course).


In his defense, it was mostly because they were on fire.

Lol. I meant when he is regrouping on Dragonstone and everyone in the stormlands deserts him. Mostly out of prudence and a sense of self preservation, but it's one of the main reasons he goes to the wall. He doesn't have enough of an army to fight anyone other than wildlings.

[eldargal]

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[eldargal]

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[Gotthammer]

"cool girl's murder friend" :p

Also lolz at that pic and her shirt ^_^

[Wildeybeast]

https://33.media.tumblr.com/77d908032b5847e3f7078afcb9b6d79d/tumblr_n8fat5tj2c1syw1yeo1_500.jpg

Surely Theon should be 'wannabe Robb'? I liked the forgot about baby Stark. I think GRRM did for a couple of books as well.

[daboarder]

Saw this, thought it was funny. pretty wrong, but funny


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[eldargal]

Up to episode 8 of season 3 with my cousins. Red Wedding next episode, going to be interesting to see how they cope with it given that they like Robb, Catelyn and Talisa. So much more concern for the bear being shot with a crossbow than Theon getting de-knobbed, very proud.

[Gotthammer]

http://youtu.be/MDSaYvs-LJI

[Mr Mystery]

Up to episode 8 of season 3 with my cousins. Red Wedding next episode, going to be interesting to see how they cope with it given that they like Robb, Catelyn and Talisa. So much more concern for the bear being shot with a crossbow than Theon getting de-knobbed, very proud.

Is it possible to de-knob Theon fully? I mean, he's the son of Keith Allen, and the brother of Lily Allen. Being a knob is in his blood.

[eldargal]

I think Ramsey SnowBolton would argue that yes it is.:p

[Mr Mystery]

I like Ramsey!

[CoffeeGrunt]

Wat.

[Gotthammer]

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Also bringing this back:


http://youtu.be/0ACuI28p1Co

[eldargal]

*squee*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH2ri8RhSnw
Doran Martell = ALEXANDER SIDDIG! Like the number one fancast... Amonst women on tumblr anyway.
Nymeria Sand = Jessica Henwick (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3725055/)
Tyene Sand = Rosabell Laurenti Sellers (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3065809/)
Obara Sand = Keisha Castle Hughes (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1095720/)
Oh and Myrcella has been recast, new actress looks adawbs so yay. Still sad, liked the old one a lot.

So not cool that they have ****ing Trystane listed as the heir of Dorne elsewhere instead of Arianne though. Show has a ****ty enough record with women without ****ing taking that away. Better just be an oversight. Bad enough Asha/Yara has been relegated to a minor character in the show without dropping anotehr female POV character in faour of some snot nosed boy.
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Oh and Pedro Pascal is a fan of The Mary Sue feminist geek website hehe. Interview with him here (http://www.themarysue.com/pedro-pascal-interview-sdcc/)

[Gotthammer]

Yay! Shame about Myrcella, I liked the original girl a lot. I was also hoping to see who'd be this seasons Daario, but guess it'll be a surprise.

Also:

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http://youtu.be/v-7Fs9HJvs0

[eldargal]

The blooper video is great hehe.:)

[CoffeeGrunt]

The last 30 seconds are pure gold.

[Wildeybeast]

OMFG! Bashir as Doran, bloody loving it. Also yay for Sand Snakes and the awesome Jonathan Pryce. Though I have no memory of who high sparrow is. No news on Arianne Martel or the Greyjoy clan yet?

EG, It's probably just to explain who he is to non-book readers, we know Doran hasn't really chosen an heir yet. We also know what happens to the snot nosed boy!

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Oh, I remember now, he's the crazy High Septon who has so much fun with Cersei. Pryce will be excellent in that role.

[Gotthammer]

http://youtu.be/28vsAkfo94g

First 45 seconds are gold

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[eldargal]

OMFG! Bashir as Doran, bloody loving it. Also yay for Sand Snakes and the awesome Jonathan Pryce. Though I have no memory of who high sparrow is. No news on Arianne Martel or the Greyjoy clan yet?

EG, It's probably just to explain who he is to non-book readers, we know Doran hasn't really chosen an heir yet. We also know what happens to the snot nosed boy!

I hope so, it would be inexcusable to take such a major player in Westeros politics and a rare example of a (by Westeros standards) empowered woman and give the role to a boy who is ****ing insignificant in teh books.

Omigosh that video is brilliant also Maisie Williams as the CUTEST GIGGLE. *flails*

[eldargal]

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[CoffeeGrunt]

*Rapturous sound of lesbians everywhere rejoicing, also some men.*

[eldargal]

Watch these interviews (http://www.zap2it.com/videos/game-of-thrones-cast-meeting-red-viper-death-pedro-pascal-248449)with GoT cast about how their character would have got on with Oberyn, Gwendole Christies is the best.

[Wildeybeast]

There is a very good interview and Q&A with GRRM at Edinburgh festival on the BBC I player at the moment. Can't link it as I found it on the app, but should be easy to find if you search it. I recommend you all watch it before it goes.

[Mr Mystery]

https://31.media.tumblr.com/ece507eb845ea1a7cd539ca9a40850d7/tumblr_n9ig1xl1fv1tcj68yo1_500.png

Totally not getting this one?

[eldargal]

Sophie Turner is planning on marrying Natalie Dormer.

[Mr Mystery]

Oh I see.

Phwoar.

[Wildeybeast]

Here's (http://www.bbc.co.uk/events/ejh38g/acts/achrbp?intc_type=promo&intc_location=orb_promo_footer&intc_campaign=edinburgh_festival&intc_linkname=footer_georgerrmartin#p0249fwp) the interview I mentioned.

[eldargal]

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[Mr Mystery]

First Sword of Braavos confirmed to have a role in Episode VII!

[Wildeybeast]

Huh. I have no idea what, since he hasn't appeared in the books at all. Interesting.

[Mr Mystery]

Ayra's 'dance' instructor.