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Imperial Golden Guardsmen
04-18-2014, 09:57 PM
Demolisher
Pask

Punisher
Psyker

PCS
Infantry 50x
5x autocannons
Psyker (lv2)

Vets
3 plasma
demo

Vets
3 plasma
demo

Valkryie

Valkryie

Vendetta

Executioner
lascannon

Executioner

Mad Cat
04-19-2014, 09:16 AM
HQ: I would take Pask with 2 punishers. Equip them with HB sponsons and stubbers. Being heavy vehicles means they can move and fire the lot and Pask gives rending.

Troops: Platoon looks good. Swapping out the psyker for a level 1 inquisitor (or Coteaz) could get the blob the stubborn rule as well.
I would take carapace on the veterans to help with survivability. Demolition charge would be nice but the melta bombs probably won't see action as most enemies will try and kill them as soon as they dismount. You could take 1 vet unit and a SWS with 3 demo charges as a suicide squad (able to fit in a vendetta).

Fast: Take rocket pods on Valkyries, ordnance hellstrikes are really poor. If you go for the SWS you could drop a Valk to pay for other upgrades.

Heavy: Executioners aren't that great against tanks so swap out the lascannon for plasma sponsons or keep a lascannon but put it on a vanquisher.

Katharon
04-19-2014, 09:34 AM
Addendum to some of what Mad Cat said:

If you're going to take Pask, then give him a Punisher or an Exterminator. His ability to Rend with those weapons makes it more viable to take those particular models of the Leman Russ. Also, his HQ tank squadron, if you fill it up, should be two more Punishers with heavy bolter sponsons (camo nets are always a must). With as much firepower as this single unit can dish out normally, the fact that Pask (if your warlord) gives you Preferred Enemy, makes it that much more potent.

I think Mad Cat meant to swap the Psyker for a Commissar...? But yes, if you are going to have a blob squad, then a Commissar is a must. However, I would encourage you to remove the heavy weapons from that blob squad and instead make separate heavy weapon squads, so that your blob squad isn't tied down like a sitting duck.

I can see where you're going with the Veterans and Valkyries, but I would say that you should switch the Plasma guns over to melta guns and give them Grenadiers Doctrine as well. I'd drop the Vendetta for an Aegis Defense line with a quad gun to free up more points.

The two Executioners are a bad idea. The reason being because GW let whoever wrote this codex degrade the Executioner to its last leg and then swat that out from under it as well; they did this by making its main cannon fall prey to the Get's Hot! USR. As such you're far more likely to kill your own tank firing that thing than you are the enemy. Better to take normal Leman Russ Battle Tanks or Vanquishers.

Imperial Golden Guardsmen
04-19-2014, 12:01 PM
Does pask's abilities carry to his squadron or just his one tank

Imperial Golden Guardsmen
04-19-2014, 12:26 PM
Does pask's rules apply for just his tank or his squadron

This Dave
04-19-2014, 02:17 PM
Does pask's rules apply for just his tank or his squadron

Just his tank.

Imperial Golden Guardsmen
04-19-2014, 03:06 PM
Thank guys for your comments. With what you said in mind i came up with this list.

Punisher
Heavy Bolter sponsons
Pask

Punisher
Heavy Bolter sponsons
Psyker

PCS
3x flamer

Infanty 5x
5x autocannons

Ruin Priest

Inquisitor
3x servo-skulls

Aegis Defense line

Grey Hunters
2x Plasma
Mark of Wulfen
Wolf Standard
Drop pod

Grey Hunters
2x plasma
Mark of Wulfen
Wolf Standard
Drop pod

Vendetta

Vanquisher
Lascannon

Vanquisher
Lascannon

Mad Cat
04-19-2014, 06:09 PM
I think Mad Cat meant to swap the Psyker for a Commissar...?

Nope, Inquisitors give stubborn USR as well as being level 1 divination psykers. They don't get the auto pass leadership if you execute rule but stubborn & Ld10 is pretty damn reliable.

Compared to a primaris they get an extra wound and a 4+ armour as opposed to 5+ invulnerable. You can't get them to level 2 but Coteaz is for 100 points but he gets 2+ armour and other decent benefits. By taking one of these you get the advantages of a commissar and a primaris in the same model.

Katharon
04-19-2014, 07:09 PM
But way more expensive.

greenknight
04-20-2014, 01:26 AM
Addendum to some of what Mad Cat said:

If you're going to take Pask, then give him a Punisher or an Exterminator. His ability to Rend with those weapons makes it more viable to take those particular models of the Leman Russ. Also, his HQ tank squadron, if you fill it up, should be two more Punishers with heavy bolter sponsons (camo nets are always a must). With as much firepower as this single unit can dish out normally, the fact that Pask (if your warlord) gives you Preferred Enemy, makes it that much more potent.

I think Mad Cat meant to swap the Psyker for a Commissar...? But yes, if you are going to have a blob squad, then a Commissar is a must. However, I would encourage you to remove the heavy weapons from that blob squad and instead make separate heavy weapon squads, so that your blob squad isn't tied down like a sitting duck.

I can see where you're going with the Veterans and Valkyries, but I would say that you should switch the Plasma guns over to melta guns and give them Grenadiers Doctrine as well. I'd drop the Vendetta for an Aegis Defense line with a quad gun to free up more points.

The two Executioners are a bad idea. The reason being because GW let whoever wrote this codex degrade the Executioner to its last leg and then swat that out from under it as well; they did this by making its main cannon fall prey to the Get's Hot! USR. As such you're far more likely to kill your own tank firing that thing than you are the enemy. Better to take normal Leman Russ Battle Tanks or Vanquishers.

All of the above is wrong priests and inquisitors belong in your blobs and so do autocannons, heavy weapon teams on their own suck they will get blasted turn 1, never use them. Next camo netting is a waste with how much ignore cover there is in the games. Also executioners are great just use psykers to twin link them then they rock. I run my tank HQ now as pask in a vanquisher with lascannon and plasmas then ether 2 more vanquishers with the same or two executioners; then twin link pasks' squad every turn and split fire, this is a ton of damage.

Mad Cat
04-20-2014, 06:55 AM
But way more expensive.

Well a level 1 inquisitor with carapace, force sword and bolt pistol costs 55 points so only 5 more expensive than a level 1 primaris. Cheaper than getting a primaris and a commissar to do the same job.

Coteaz is about the same cost as a level 2 primaris and a commissar but he gets 2+ save and some really nice anti deep-striking rules and a reroll on stealing the initiative.