What grinds your gears in games?

[Harley]

Sometimes when you play random people for pick up games at the FLGS you run into shenanigans, the unexpected or things that for whatever reason, just don't sit right with you. How do you deal with them?

One thing that drives me crazy are the way some players move their flyers. Recently in a game against 2 Plague Drones and 1 Heldrake, the player kept rotating them 90-120 degrees before moving, or adjusted their rotation after moving, just slightly, to get that 45 degree arc of fire in line... Because you usually measure, the pick it up and move it by eyeball, their movement is really easy to finagle.

The other one is, when a player is obviously using certain dice to roll high (saves, to hit) and different dice to roll low (leadership etc). These dice might even be different manufacture or size/style and the player insists it's just luck.

So how do you deal with this in a friendly pick up game situation? It feels like bringing it up is accusing the player of cheating, which it is, and then the friendly atmosphere is stifled. I've considered saying "Those dice seem to be rolling really well, would you mind if I use them also?"

As far as flyers go, I'm at a loss. It seems their prowess combined with the loose 'measure, pick up and place' mechanics are just ripe for exploitation.

[DarkLink]

You should read up on the Flyer rules. You're explicitly supposed to pivot up to 90 degrees in place, and no more, then move in a straight line 18-36", and stop (if they have vector dancer, then at the end of their movement they get a second 90 degree pivot.

[Eldar_Atog]

The other one is, when a player is obviously using certain dice to roll high (saves, to hit) and different dice to roll low (leadership etc). These dice might even be different manufacture or size/style and the player insists it's just luck.


I have a few dice that I only use for leadership/psyker tests. It's probably just superstition on my part but those dice always screw me on everything but leadership tests. If you test them, they will show that they are not loaded... but the Laughing One help you if you try to use them for anything but a leadership/psyker test.

For me, it's rules lawyering. I tend to be pretty easy going about things.. " Oh, you forgot to make your deep strike test? No worries, doing it during the middle of your move phase is ok". That all ends when you start nit picking every little thing. I will make the game as miserable for you as you are making it for me.

[Tyrendian]

for me it's when my opponent gets distracted all the time... I know a few guys who will literally pull out their smartphone and look at nothing but that for my entire turn, and I have to poke them everytime I need them to roll something

[Lord Krungharr]

At BeakyCon 2012 I had the misfortune of playing the 1st game against the dude who was in fact using loaded dice, he eventually got tossed out. There's never any fun or a good excuse for that. But using certain dice for certain things is okay if they're not loaded (like my sparkly ones for plasma guns, tiny black ones for bolters for example).

However, even in non-tournament games, I really hate when people use larger or oversized dice, especially the sharp edged ones, and roll them off their fingers like an inch or two above the table, in effect just flipping them easily to control what comes up. I vote for Vegas rolling, which is at least what, 6" or 8" off the table? Have some sport.

The not paying attention is annoying too, but mainly because if they opponent misses something they can't give me their best challenge, which is the most fun I think.

Excessive proxies are also tough to manage, as nobody seems to remember everything correctly and consistently. For a friendly match, just use whatcha got, and augment it with proper models for the paid tournies, or get some magnets or even sticky-tack putty. Qtip missile launchers, no problem, but easier to see and know than another lasgun with a gold tip instead of a silver tip.

[SquigBrain]

For me, what annoys me most is an opponent who believes the game is Serious Business.

This is a hobby, it's meant to be relaxing fun. If you are grinding your teeth and desperate to win, you are (IMNSHO) doing it wrong. :)

[Harley]

You should read up on the Flyer rules. You're explicitly supposed to pivot up to 90 degrees in place, and no more, then move in a straight line 18-36", and stop (if they have vector dancer, then at the end of their movement they get a second 90 degree pivot.

If you reread the OP, you will see this is what I'm referring to. Myself, being very familiar with these rules, gets annoyed when they are constantly annoying and players often move their flyers >90 degrees... usually somewhere around 100-120. They there is the little nudge at the end that usually happens. But calling them out, it just saps the fun out of it.

[Quaade]

Slow players, those rattle me more than anything else. A cheater is just someone whose ego is so brittle they have to resort to anything to get the win so they can feel good about themselves.

Someone who's slow on the other hand... He's just wasting everyones time and it gets me really -really- angry.

Even looking at a table with a slow player can make my blood boil.

[ElectricPaladin]

There's one guy at my FLGS who combines my least favorite gamer qualities: selective sloppiness and random slurs. He plays Tau, and while he's extremely precise about the ranges of his guns or whether or not I make it into assault, he'll do things like, in a special mission where victory points is measured in number of surviving models in a central ruin, ask to fudge move-through-terrain rolls.

Additionally, it is a pain to hear him constantly utter random slurs. I have never before played with a grown man who actually snarled "gay!" whenever a model failed to hit with an important shot or it turned out that a rule was not as he remembered it.

Similarly, there's a guy who talks smack to a ridiculous degree. Every time his IG removed one of my buddy's Sisters of Battle (team game) he would say "oh yeah, take that, get that ***** out of there!" It was non-stop.

[YorkNecromancer]

Additionally, it is a pain to hear him constantly utter random slurs. I have never before played with a grown man who actually snarled "gay!" whenever a model failed to hit with an important shot or it turned out that a rule was not as he remembered it.

Similarly, there's a guy who talks smack to a ridiculous degree. Every time his IG removed one of my buddy's Sisters of Battle (team game) he would say "oh yeah, take that, get that ***** out of there!" It was non-stop.

This +1, only topped by the guys who get offended when you call them out on it, like you're restricting their freedom of speech by drawing attention to the fact that what they're saying is ignorant, offensive, and frankly just uncreative. It's like, grow some basic ****ing humanity, you fool.

[SquigBrain]

This +1, only topped by the guys who get offended when you call them out on it, like you're restricting their freedom of speech by drawing attention to the fact that what they're saying is ignorant, offensive, and frankly just uncreative. It's like, grow some basic ****ing humanity, you fool.

Not to mention if he's doing in the local game store. Bring it to the staff's attention, if they're worth a damn, they'll tell him to clean it up or play elsewhere.

[Arkhan Land]

games ending early

[Gorefather]

There is one guy I play regularly who has a big problem with measuring accurately. Moves forward measuring front of base to back, shoots, then retreats (he plays tau) measuring back of base to front- essentially gives him an extra 2" move in each direction. The one time I called him on it he threw a huge tantrum in the middle of the store. I don't consider myself a rules **** but can't stand it when people fudge moves just to squeeze a few extra shots out

[ElectricPaladin]

This +1, only topped by the guys who get offended when you call them out on it, like you're restricting their freedom of speech by drawing attention to the fact that what they're saying is ignorant, offensive, and frankly just uncreative. It's like, grow some basic ****ing humanity, you fool.

I didn't call mine out on it. I felt like a ******* coward for days. Luckily (for him!) he's quit it since then, because there's no way I'm wimping out a second time.

[Librarian Harker]

People who don't know the rules, and use ignorance as a defence for a do over. An example would be when I guy I played against targeted one unit with his flamers, but used the template to hit two units. He wiped out the unit he targeted, and then in the assault phase he declared a charge against the other unit he hit with his flamers. When I told him it wasn't possible, he claimed he didn't know he couldn't do that and said he was going to redo the shooting. I could see why as the attacking unit was out of cover, and was guaranteed to be destroyed if he didn't get into an assault, or consolidated into cover, but to ask for a redo when the shooting was over and the models taken off the table was too much.

[DarkLink]

If you reread the OP, you will see this is what I'm referring to. Myself, being very familiar with these rules, gets annoyed when they are constantly annoying and players often move their flyers >90 degrees... usually somewhere around 100-120. They there is the little nudge at the end that usually happens. But calling them out, it just saps the fun out of it.Then... why aren't you calling them on cheating? Sounds like some of the fun was already sucked out of it, might as well prevent it from happening again.

[daboarder]

For me, what annoys me most is an opponent who believes the game is Serious Business.

This is a hobby, it's meant to be relaxing fun. If you are grinding your teeth and desperate to win, you are (IMNSHO) doing it wrong. :)

funny, I was going to say the most irritating thing was the constant excuse made about "the rules not needing to be good"


Then... why aren't you calling them on cheating? Sounds like some of the fun was already sucked out of it, might as well prevent it from happening again.

Yeha we have this one bloke who is constantly picking up his fliers before moving them. This inevitably leads to extended measuring and over turning, calling him out on it is an exercise in futility, not because he is malicious, but because he is too stupid to get the point.

I go out of my way not to play him really, unless I need specific practice

[Chris Copeland]

I no longer have any patience for homophobia, racism, or sexism whilst playing games. If someone says, "Gay!" during a game these days I am happy to point out out that there is nothing wrong with anyone being gay. I used to let such things go but the times they are a-changin'...

[SuperDann]

Two things: not measuring the cover moves accurately. As in, the unit cuts corners of forests in it's movement, but conveniently doesn't make any tests even though 3" of it's 6" movement are technically difficult terrain.
And the second movement related thing, only measuring accurately for one model and then conveniently guesstimating the rest so that, somehow, the guy at the front moved 6" and the guy with the at the back with the special weapon managed to cover 9" and get into rapid fire range.

Oh, and people who just blame luck for losing, sucking any feel-good factor from your victory.

[Deadlift]

Backseat gamers, those who "help" your opponent with tactics when it's not their game. We have one chap in our group and when we played 4 way kill team games he would do it all the time, basically advising other players to shoot anything in this 4 way match up but his units. I had a quiet word, doesn't happen anymore.

[Orange]

Tabling opponents in three turns. I don't like it because you inadvertently become TFG without trying.

[sfshilo]

Thinking that a blast tempate that isnt barrage can magically wound models out of line of sight.
People that do not understand that feel no pain ignores wounds period. Only one thing can stop it and that is instant death. It aint that hard.
"MCs that are flying dont get cover right?" Ugggghhhhh

[daboarder]

Thinking that a blast tempate that isnt barrage can magically wound models out of line of sight.reading the FAQs helps
People that do not understand that feel no pain ignores wounds period. Only one thing can stop it and that is instant death. It aint that hard.
"MCs that are flying dont get cover right?" Ugggghhhhh
Just sayin

[Gleipnir]

Typically when being used that way the term "that's gay" or the ever so popular "that's so gay" is intended to mean a result that was bad or pick your choice of other negative vernacular. My personal objection to its use isn't that it somehow offends a homosexual by being compared to something negative, so much as it tells me the person I am dealing with shows a lack of decent communication skills or maturity, I'd feel the same way dealing with someone that said F this or F that every other sentence.

[Vangrail]

There are two things a guy at my store moves his models so slowly and he plays nids. Then second i use alot of fw and people just sit there all game like can i see the rules and i have to show them every turn...UGH

[Hunter]

What grind's my gears? i have a list.

) scheduled opponent who shows up with out a proper list , heck i once played a guy with a 4ed C:MS , his list was completely invalid such as a tactical squad with 2 heavy weapons and no sarg, my world eaters ended up wiping him off the map with Kharn with a personal kill count of 32 .

) power gaming opponent who decides before hand what the terrine/coversaves are going to be , shows up with an illegible list and refuses to identify his squads and off table assets.
I always identify what each of my units are and what there carrying , including transports as well as special characters and off table assets.
he pulled an orbital strike out of his *** and i lost the game on turn 1, i was so pist i haven't played a game in months.

) abuse of proxies and cheep *** conversion , way WAY back in the days of the 4th edition , some guy did a gray knight army by converting regular marines , with very little effort put in to it , lets just say i had strong opinions amount his army , especially as i already purchased 200$ worth of metal gray knight that i was in the process of meticulously painting and detailing .
An other was a bunch bitz bash buggy count as ig sentinels , how are thoes walkers ? looks more like an ork mek's shopping cart WITH DAKKA.

)and finally , preferential treatment during events/campaign, Friends of the campaign manager got special breaks and where awarded points that regular players diden't benefit from , i quit the event in protest.

[Denzark]

+1 Go slows, Backseat Tacticians and endless proxies. Also the magic transport trick where units start in one and surprisingly end up in another.

The first 2 I find particularly frustrating at the latter stages of a game. Please do not approach my table on Turn 5 if you are incapableof keeping your cakehole shut.

[Wolfshade]

Let us try and keep it civil please.

If in doubt: http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/faq.php?faq=termsmaster#faq_bolsrules

[Wolfshade]

I think one of the problems is that as language "evolves" that words gain alternate meaning or even while retaining the same meaning gain a perjorative sense which isn't always meant by the original speaker.

What grinds my gears while gaming is one of my mates who before the game will do a well if you take X i'll take Y which will beat it then then after the game explain how I only won by luck and that the pivotal moment was a lucky result and if I had rolled "bad" dice then an result wouldn't have happened.

[Wolfshade]

If you wish to carry this on else where can I suggest The Oubliette would be the place for it.
Back on topic please which incase we forgot:

Sometimes when you play random people for pick up games at the FLGS you run into shenanigans, the unexpected or things that for whatever reason, just don't sit right with you. How do you deal with them?

One thing that drives me crazy are the way some players move their flyers. Recently in a game against 2 Plague Drones and 1 Heldrake, the player kept rotating them 90-120 degrees before moving, or adjusted their rotation after moving, just slightly, to get that 45 degree arc of fire in line... Because you usually measure, the pick it up and move it by eyeball, their movement is really easy to finagle.

The other one is, when a player is obviously using certain dice to roll high (saves, to hit) and different dice to roll low (leadership etc). These dice might even be different manufacture or size/style and the player insists it's just luck.

So how do you deal with this in a friendly pick up game situation? It feels like bringing it up is accusing the player of cheating, which it is, and then the friendly atmosphere is stifled. I've considered saying "Those dice seem to be rolling really well, would you mind if I use them also?"

As far as flyers go, I'm at a loss. It seems their prowess combined with the loose 'measure, pick up and place' mechanics are just ripe for exploitation.

[The Madman]

The only thing that really gets me is List-tailoring, adjusting or rewriting their army list so that it can beat mine with minimum effort.

[The Girl]

Take it over here: http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?43220-Is-quot-gay-quot-a-prajorative-or-not-And-fight!

In addition: the mod team sees the term, unless used to mean "happy" or "homosexual" in a neutral tone, as a pejorative on this board. Don't use it. If you see it used in a negative light, please flag it. I don't care what your definition of it is, this is ours. Respect it or face consequences.

Get this thread back on the rails or I will close it.

Thank you.

[crandall87]

I don't like it when people decide they want a game and then you've got to wait for them to write their list up. My biggest pet hate though is list tailoring, especially when they have to proxy stuff which happens in 99% of the cases. I'm the exact opposite, I write all comers lists at varying points levels so I'm ready to play if anyone wants a game. I wish there were more players who did that.

[Cactus]

I hate the dice switchers as well. I'll often ask my opponent to please use the same dice that roll hot to hit and wound only to receive attitude in return.

[nperkins]

me and a buddie did the doubles at WW a few years back, first ever time we'd done one. Had a great weekend up to the last game.
we played a couple, and it was obvious that it was the husbands models and armies and that his wife was only their to be a 'look its my doubles partner'. the whole army was painted and models on dark angels, quite well to, but he was using them as space wolves. he had termies based on small bases becasue they were the older models, and his wife wasnt interested, he had to pass her the dice and tell her what to roll, there was no interest or knowledge there, only reinforced her 'stand in' aspect.
Despite this we had a rather interesting game, one that by all intents shoulda ended in a draw. in the last turn he tried moving a speeder onto the homebase objective, it was swamped with guardsmen so we just said, 'you cant put it down theres models all over and no space with the inch gap around the base. Through 15 minutes of 'gently' nudging the wood the guardsmen were in, trying to 'find' space to stick the speeder, he proceeded to knock the guardsmen away from the objective, knocking some of them out of the woods altogether. by this point my mate had just about had enough, and an official was called over. Low and behold suddenly there was space, just enough space. he moved the speeder into the hole he created with the nudging, passed his dangerous terrain, and won the game.

it left one hell of a taste on the weekend but there was bugger all we could do short of marking him as unsporting

[Erik Setzer]

I roll certain dice for certain tests... but it's Orky superstition. Movement? Red dice. Saving throws? Blue dice. Combat? Green dice. Shooting? Black dice. Flame weapons? Translucent orange. Leadership? Back to the green.

When I'm playing other armies, I'll tend to mix and match more. But people know there's nothing "fishy" about my dice. Either they're really bad, or just average (I like average). Nothing amazing.

Oh yeah, I do tend to roll Chaos dice for their respective god, and their purpose. I.e. never use Khorne dice for magic, typically stick to Tzeentch since that's who I use for casting most of the time.

The ONE time I could understand my opponent questioning my dice was during the first Apoc game with the new book. I bought a block of the dice, one ended up getting lost under the counter (a "sacrifice" to the dice gods), and then the game started with a pre-game orbital strike on my opponent's Baneblade... HIT -> 6 on the D chart -> 6 for the D6+6 HP -> 6 on Catastrophic Damage table. Ow. And then the Lord of Skulls just shrugged off a sickening amount of shots. But the combo hasn't been that amazing since, even when the store manager put that LoS (he was letting me borrow it for the game) up for sale and I eagerly snatched it up.

[Eric French]

Non painted models, no rule book owning, no codex having, faq not-knowing, tape measureless, without scatter dice template borrowers that just have their army tossed into a dark vengeance box bottom scavenged
from a trash can...

*edit*

...that know YOUR rules but not their own and only remember basic rules of movement and LOS during YOUR turn. ;-)

[Mike Lawler]

I have a small list.
1)In a tournament I finish early, take a stroll around.. notice a nice Blood Angels list, notice it's mostly anti-armor and smile inside because I'm fielding an infantry heavy IG list.. then draw that opponent next round and suddenly find he's loaded with Baal Predators, HB Dreadnoughts, and a ton of anti-infantry that isn't there. Said player is a regular in the store hosting the tournament and I'm a visitor so my claim gets ignored by the judge.

2)Playing against someone who runs(ran) a well-known bits store and call him out when he tries to scale a wall with a rhino. It's his store so he dinks my sportsmanship and even though I pull the most points, wins, etc.. I still end up not even placing. (different store and people from the first example)

3)"Veteran" players who "forget" key rules when they think you haven't read the rulebook. When you notice them firing rapid firing weapons and assaulting or ignoring dangerous terrain checks on their jump infantry that are all over the difficult terrain you're fighting across.. they act as though you farted and are offended that you would even point it out.

4)People who blame their dice, throw said dice, smash their models when they're destroyed, and literally look like they're about to have an aneurism.. in a friendly garage game.

5)The kid that always wants you to look at his list.. which is really just an exercise in "how many _____" can I fit in my list.

6)That one guy who won a Golden Demon in a category nobody gives a crap about but suddenly has something to say about everyone's paintjob. Also happens to be friends with the guy from #2

7)The hyper-competitive guy who is very relaxed when he's winning but as soon he's losing he disappears into the crapper, takes a phone call, etc etc..

8)The "friend" that acts like you're screwing him over every time you make a good tactical decision and "comforts" you every time he kills off one of your units (not even exaggerating).

9)The hipster that used to play army-x back in the day.. but the codex changed and his old insta-win list doesn't work anymore so he's too cool to play the game now.. instead he cruises from table to table talking smack about 40k... then proceeds to drone on and on about his old list etc ad nauseum.

10)The models that have been converted so many times that they are literally a mishmash of superglue and paint, save for the one newly attached weapon... and it isn't even WYSIWYG.

[Asuryan]

i hate when people can't use the scatter dice properly, the arrow is pointing to the back left of my unit but somehow scatters directly left and gets more guys.

[AgentDarkBooty]

This +1, only topped by the guys who get offended when you call them out on it, like you're restricting their freedom of speech by drawing attention to the fact that what they're saying is ignorant, offensive, and frankly just uncreative. It's like, grow some basic ****ing humanity, you fool.

Aha I myself have been quite guilty of using an incredible amount of slurs during a 40k game but its all in the spirit of it being obviously ignorant and rediculous and usually gets a lot of laughs from the people involved in the game, I can't imagine playing against somebody that would seriously say something as stupid as "gay" during a game thats got to be tiring.

[SquigBrain]

i hate when people can't use the scatter dice properly, the arrow is pointing to the back left of my unit but somehow scatters directly left and gets more guys.

The scatter dice really needs to be bigger, with a proper arrow on it, so you can line up the direction better. I should get one of those custom dice makers to make a batch.

[Vangrail]

+1 to mike lawler's number nine. Thats really irritating the person who use to play and now doesn't and bashes the game. Then you bash on their hobby and they are super defensive.

[Eric French]

The scatter dice really needs to be bigger, with a proper arrow on it, so you can line up the direction better. I should get one of those custom dice makers to make a batch.
I always request to my opponent that they (and I) roll the scatter die alone as close a possible to the unit/units scattering or the blast marker center. THEN 2/3s of the time roll the 2D6 for distance. It's so much easier to gauge proper direction when it's as close as possible to the item scattering.

[Mike Lawler]

I always request to my opponent that they (and I) roll the scatter die alone as close a possible to the unit/units scattering or the blast marker center. THEN 2/3s of the time roll the 2D6 for distance. It's so much easier to gauge proper direction when it's as close as possible to the item scattering.

Yeah, rolling it closer definitely helps. I really can't stand it when my opponent rolls it on their side of the table, then walks all the way around and glances at it once.. then puts the template over my unit.. that is almost 90 degrees to the other direction..

[Chris Copeland]

I tire of players who are poor losers AND poor winners... the type that crow about how well they did when they win but go on and on about how they got screwed when they lose (i.e.: the scenario screws their army in particular, their codex is underpowered and thus they always are playing from behind, the dice screwed them, etc).

[TheKennanator]

The guys who don't respect the miniatures, the terrain, and the people around them.

[John Bower]

Slow players, those rattle me more than anything else. A cheater is just someone whose ego is so brittle they have to resort to anything to get the win so they can feel good about themselves.

Someone who's slow on the other hand... He's just wasting everyones time and it gets me really -really- angry.

Even looking at a table with a slow player can make my blood boil.

Don't play my mate then, he can take over an hour at X-wing.....

[Asuryan]

the scenario screws their army in particular

I can see this being annoying for sore losers if it happens all the time, but i think everyone has a game or two where they were screwed before it even began. Just to day i had a game at a different store against tau. We ended up playing emperor's will with hammer and anvil deployment, and if that wasn't bad enough the table wasn't a 6X4 but an 8X4 so i had to get an extra foot closer to use my guns and he had the backfield to actually use the 36+ range weapons. He also ended up stealing the initiative, which is when i gave up all hope of winning. I still played out the game and it was closer than expected and if i had not failed a 5 inch charge i could have tied it up, but the game ended with him winning.

[Chris Copeland]

Asuryan, I see where you are coming from. It's how you react after it's all over that matters. Folks choose to win or lose graciously or not. I'm talking about the players who act as if they are Alexander the Great every time they win and then piss and moan about how the deck was completely stacked against them when they lose.

[SON OF ROMULOUS]

1. Scatter dice please roll them next to what yoru shooting at it makes things alot easier.
2. please win or loose graciously if you cannot do so then the next time we play i will make noises and very vulgar descriptions of what happens to your models as they die.
3. roll your damn dice where i can see them... no box rolling no rolling them into terrain and if the dice cant be flat re roll it.
4. if your dice are sucking do no bemoan me for having aveage dice rolls.
5. If i beat you its not my army its not that your army sucks its simply i played a better game then you and had some die rolls go my way. it happens just breath its not the end of the world.
6. psychic powers. buy enough damn cards or clearly write down what is what... if it feels like your cheating its probably because you are.
7.tell your opponent what type of game you want to play.. do not be the guys who comes to a casual game with a netlist that just won ATC when i'm playing a list for amusement... if you wanna play a tournement game we can play that if you want friendly we can do that as well. its called communication.
8. army lists... have one that is present and legible. same with your rules and codex I do not want you ratclaws all over my books... if anyones going to scuff or break my bindings it had better be me.
9. if you break one of my models or knock it over juust say your sorry i wont rip your head off but when you dont say anything and as the game ends i see somethings broken then i'll be upset with you...
10. hygene please for the love of all that is holy show and use some damn deodorant... is that to much to ask? (if you cannot abide by 10 then i reserve the right to bring a flask and become beligerent more and more after each sip :) )

[Chris Copeland]

^what he said!

[Baneblade]

Mat Ward's butchering of the fluff

People who expect to play tournament rules (deployments, terrain, or whatever) in a PUG or a friendly game.

No consideration to fluff in list builds (as a WoC player with mostly Khorne units I would never run any Slaanesh units and I know that some of the Slaanesh spells complement MoK units but the fluff bunny in me will not run it)

Lame count as units or unit fillers. Especially if there is no clear way to tell what the count as or conversion even is suppose to represent. For example I have from a few years ago, someone tried to play a nid army "modeled" after some cartoon show. One "model" literally looked like a ball of play doh. I did not know that these were the "models." Luckily a staff member at the shop said no to these "models" after he pulled that ball out and saved me the trouble of pulling my army out.

[DarkLink]

People who expect to play tournament rules (deployments, terrain, or whatever) in a PUG or a friendly game. No consideration to fluff in list builds (as a WoC player with mostly Khorne units I would never run any Slaanesh units and I know that some of the Slaanesh spells complement MoK units but the fluff bunny in me will not run it)You realize that not everyone plays for the same reasons for you? And you do realize that this doesn't make them bad people, either?

[SON OF ROMULOUS]

@BANEBLADE The problem with that is lack of communication between players. when i go to play a pick up game I generally will ask my opponent what he wants from the game if i do not know him. I will say if you go for friendly game then pull out a 4 tide list I will make sure everyone knows your a Dbag in a heartbeat. At that point I would stop the game pull out my tourne list and we can give it ago unless your ego is to bruised.

As for fluff lists if you want a fluff game then that's on you not your opponent. Each of us plays for a variety of reason's maybe I'm testing a list for an upcomming tournament. If that were to be the case I would not bring a fluff list just to apease someone. I would look to game with a player who's willing or is even testing his own list. I as a player have the right to use that list You can complain that I'm using it but all you really can do is not play it...

[DarkLink]

Right. There's a distinct difference between just playing to compete, and finding a noob to spring a cheesy list on and then curb stomp them. The latter is pretty douchey (unless you're specifically teaching them to play competitively by tossing them in the deep end), the former perfectly normal.

[Mr Mystery]

I dunno. I think I see his point here, as it's something I've encountered on several occasions.

Challenged to a game in store. Whip out my usual 3,000 point Dark Elf list. Suddenly 'oh no. You can't use that. It doesn't match tournament composition. You'll have to re-write'.

No mention of this before, no seeking my agreement. It's not a biggy, as I have plenty of units to choose from. But I do object to being forced to play to arbitrary rules because my opponent is unable to separate their hobby from the wider hobby.

Same applies to various house rules. If it's not your house, just use the usual rules. Classic one? Warhammer 7th Edition. Large Targets could trace LoS over intervening terrain, and if they also have the Fly USR, can move over it. Combining the two? I can declare a perfectly legal charge over intervening terrain. Local tournament insists on having all trees 'infinitely high', so nobody can see over them. Which is fair enough if this is known by both sides prior to the beginning of the first turn. My cunning (and shockingly reliable) plan for my Savage Orcs of a first turn charge for my Warboss on Wyvern suddenly bollocksed, as my opponent insisted on this rule post deployment. I could no longer charge over the intervening terrain, leaving my Warboss and Wyvern open to several High Elf Boltthrowers....which did not end well for him, and because of a non-rulebook rule, cost me the game from the offset.

So if you wish to use non-rulebook rules, best to agree and explain them from the outset yeah?

[Eldar_Atog]

Is 3000 points common for a 2 player fantasy game? It might be that the army size was just more than they could field and didn't want to admit it.

As for the house rules point, I agree completely. If you are not going to use the standard rules, that needs to be mentioned before deployment. Otherwise, you are SOL

[BeardMonk]

1) People who don’t help new players and/or take great pleasure in annihilating new players when the guy/girl is clearly still learning. When I play people who are new to the game but are out of the “learning the absolute basics” phase, I explain what im doing, why im doing it and often point out the things I could do next turn so they have some chance of reacting/countering it. Also im more inclined to allow some leeway in their movement and measuring to keep the game flowing and encourage them. I remember what it was like starting out. We should encourage new players, not humiliate them. There’s a guy at our club who takes great joy in beating up on new players. But once you start getting better or beat him, he’s very reluctant to play you.

2) People who make no attempt to paint their armies to a decent standard. I have no problems playing armies that are clearly in the process of being painted. What with work and other interests it takes me a while to paint up new models but as long as you can see it’s WIP, its cool. But even if you have never painted a miniature before, you can watch a few videos, get free advice on the internet and achieve a tabletop standard without too much trouble. So because of that, people who don’t/wont paint their armies irk me.

3) People who have been playing for more than a year who don’t have their own dice, counters, measuring tapes, templates etc. Once you have decided you are going to play tabletop war games at least get the basics

4) The game snobbery that often exists between some of the different games where people “look down” on games they don’t play and/or don’t like. Wamahordes not for you? Fine, but just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean that it’s not a good game. It just means you don’t like it. Think 40K is broken and flawed? Fine, but let those who like the game get on with it. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean that it’s not a good game. It just means you don’t like it. General Banter is fine tho

5) Leading on from (4), people who don’t take a polite interest in other gaming systems. You never know you might discover a new game or model set that appeals to you. So you should look into all the other systems if you can. Merc’s, Bushido, Guildball, Battlefleet Gothic.

6) The one exception to (4) is Magic players trying to play Magic on the end of a table that’s booked out and set up for Warmachine/WHF/WH40K.

7) People who don’t adhere to the “dice flat on the green” rule. Or those who do, but only for your dice rolls.

8) People who place their tea/coffee/coke/sandwich ON the playing area or mat.

[John Bower]

People that bend the wording of an FAQ to get saves they aren't entitled to, weak use of obscure rules that when you look into them aren't right just so a bunch of Genestealers can't remove their precious scoring unit in a building... Stuff like that, and usually from rules Lawyers who really play on you not really having the time to look it up and call them on it.

[Harley]

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2) People who make no attempt to paint their armies to a decent standard. I have no problems playing armies that are clearly in the process of being painted. What with work and other interests it takes me a while to paint up new models but as long as you can see it’s WIP, its cool. But even if you have never painted a miniature before, you can watch a few videos, get free advice on the internet and achieve a tabletop standard without too much trouble. So because of that, people who don’t/wont paint their armies irk me.

This!

It's one thing to have some units/models unpainted or in progress, but an entire Grey Army, for years, just doesn't cut it. It makes you look like a Bandwagoner if it's a Netlist and makes the game a lot less fun. At least block color your army to be Red, Blue or whatever the base color intends to be.

[eldargal]

People who eat with their mouth open during a game and spray chewed crisps all over my army. Then I'm the bad person for yelling at them.

[Wolfshade]

Why do you need to eat while playing? Certainly, massive apocalypse games I can see the need for comfort breaks but a normal game really?

[Arkhan Land]

If i stop eating candy and soda I die, that said ive never gotten either on someone else's minis let alone my own!

[eldargal]

I'm fine with eating during a game so long as basic manners are observed:

Don't talk with your mouth full
Don't chew with your mouth open

[Wolfshade]

I hate it when people touch my Nobz without my permission, or any of my boyz for that matter.

[Badlands]

In game: When I set up my army and put 4 Wave Serpents on the board. My opponent then roles his eyes and says "Serpent Spam" and then he put out his 7 AV 13 Necron tanks. Because AV 13 spam isn't nearly as bad!!?
On line: When someone posts anything about playing in a tournament, going to one, looking at one, or even just walking by one, and the next guy post that he is just some WAAC dirt bag player with no self worth outside of his toy soldiers. If you don't like tournaments, don't get involved with them and don't attack someone you have never even met before.

On line 2: GW puts out new rules, models or anything else to buy and someone instantly screams "Money Grab!!!!". There is nothing that says you have to buy every single thing they make. Nothing says that if you don't buys this then you can no longer play the game. If you don't want it, don't buy it.