I Bet We'll See a Chaos Knight Dataslate Before Too Long

[Chris Copeland]

I'm reading the Knight codex. I think it is well written. Chaos will SO be getting a data-slate, I think. Towards the end of the first section of the book the author talks about Knightly Houses that have fallen to Chaos and Imperial Knights that have become Daemon Knights. So, the background is right there... ripe and ready to be harvested...

PS: Does GW not list individual authors anymore? Not that I'd blame them for stopping after the abuse this community has heaped upon some of them... I don't see an author listed for this codex (of course, I'm still getting used to navigating digital books)...

[SON OF ROMULOUS]

I am sure we will see one as well i think what this new release schedule that we will certianly see unit that GW has had in the warhouse slowly be released to update as well as to fill in and apparently create new units and factions. I know i will be doing atleast 1-2 chaos knights at some point but for right now my primary focus is my 3 warhouds for legion metallica and getting 3 knights to represent house krast :)

[ElectricPaladin]

A data slate… or a whole codex.

[Crevab]

I dunno, they specifically mention that Chaos Knights are extremely rare (p.15 HH sidebar). Seems kinda weird that they also mention the conservatism of Knight Houses helps protect against Chaos. I wonder why they would go to such lengths?

[daboarder]

I dunno, they specifically mention that Chaos Knights are extremely rare (p.15 HH sidebar). Seems kinda weird that they also mention the conservatism of Knight Houses helps protect against Chaos. I wonder why they would go to such lengths?

because its GW and ****! CHAOS!!

[Chris Copeland]

because its GW and ****! CHAOS!! Daboarder, you Chaos players have some of the best stuff in the game: Helldrakes, Nurgle Demon Princes, Oblits, Plague Marines, Defilers... what are you on about, exactly?

[DrBored]

Daboarder, you Chaos players have some of the best stuff in the game: Helldrakes, Nurgle Demon Princes, Oblits, Plague Marines, Defilers... what are you on about, exactly?

Heldrakes, the things that people hate us for if we take more than one?
Nurgle Daemon Princes that don't get an increase in Toughness?
Oblits that lost a lot of Leadership and now can't fire the same weapon?
Defilers that are just totally useless all around?

Ok, to be fair, Oblits are actually awesome, but the rest of what you got in there is a little irksome.

[Chris Copeland]

Hmmm. I guess, as a Tyranid player, I don't have a lot of sympathy. Every one of the above things can be rock-hard if used correctly. The Mark of Nurgle Demon Prince with the Black Mace is damn near unkillable and wipes the floor with anything he fights with. Helldrakes slay everything and they seem to always come in pairs. Seriously, you don't like Defilers?

PS What is wrong with Plague Marines?! They are as hard as nails!

[DrBored]

Hmmm. I guess, as a Tyranid player, I don't have a lot of sympathy. Every one of the above things can be rock-hard if used correctly. The Mark of Nurgle Demon Prince with the Black Mace is damn near unkillable and wipes the floor with anything he fights with. Helldrakes slay everything and they seem to always come in pairs. Seriously, you don't like Defilers?

PS What is wrong with Plague Marines?! They are as hard as nails!

Defilers are walkers, and suffer from everything that walkers suffer from, not to mention it's super expensive points wise.

Plague Marines are great. Fantastic actually. T5, 3+ with FNP, Poison knives, two special weapons in a squad of 5? They're almost too good...

And I've lost friends fielding just ONE Heldrake.

[Chris Copeland]

...I've lost friends fielding just ONE Heldrake. Oh no! Ugh. Sorry to hear that. Some folks take this playing with space-barbies stuff a wee bit too seriously... :(

[LCS]

Defilers are walkers, and suffer from everything that walkers suffer from, not to mention it's super expensive points wise.

Plague Marines are great. Fantastic actually. T5, 3+ with FNP, Poison knives, two special weapons in a squad of 5? They're almost too good...

And I've lost friends fielding just ONE Heldrake.

Yeah, Defilers are bad. They are however, better that Hellbrutes/Dreadnoughts with that battle cannon. And I'm SO sorry that Plague Marines and Helldrakes are too good. That must be such a problem for you.

[DrBored]

Oh no! Ugh. Sorry to hear that. Some folks take this playing with space-barbies stuff a wee bit too seriously... :(

It's sad but true. But then, think about it. To make a good army that you put your heart and soul into, you spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars and dozens of hours building and painting everything up... only to have it trounced on the table because of the opponent's one flying turkey? Yeah. Lots of hurt feelings.

[DrBored]

Yeah, Defilers are bad. They are however, better that Hellbrutes/Dreadnoughts with that battle cannon. And I'm SO sorry that Plague Marines and Helldrakes are too good. That must be such a problem for you.

Yes. It's a tragedy. It's especially hard when your opponent starts to rage as you make all your armor and FNP saves while your Plague Marines hold the Relic..

[daboarder]

Daboarder, you Chaos players have some of the best stuff in the game: Helldrakes, Nurgle Demon Princes, Oblits, Plague Marines, Defilers... what are you on about, exactly?

never said we didn't. Don't know how any of those things relates to knights....a NEW ARMY, not some random unit.

And I guess its cool to keep glossing over just how comparatively FEW units we actually have, because you have just listed about a 5th of our entire list

[George Labour]

I think I'd much rather see Chaos Knights given a dataslate if/when they get around to them. Not just because I can't see myself justifying another forty bucks on a codex with two units (and lots of nummy fluffy) but also because they seem to have made them a rarity more suited to working as allies instead of as a full on army like the Imperial Knights.

Fluff wise I supposed (if this happens) they'd make some point of mentioning how chaos corrupts the throne mechanicum to enhance the rider's more ambitious and self centered traits instead of the more duty oriented ones that keep the normal but still glory hungry Imperial Knights from becoming greedy tyrants. Perhaps something in the imprinting process would cause it as generations of less than honorable riders would leave their mark on the machines.

[DrBored]

never said we didn't. Don't know how any of those things relates to knights....a NEW ARMY, not some random unit.

And I guess its cool to keep glossing over just how comparatively FEW units we actually have, because you have just listed about a 5th of our entire list

Yup, after you remove Mutilators, Possessed, Warp Talons, Helbrutes, and, really, Vindicators, Defilers, Predators, Terminators, Land Raiders, Khorne Berzerkers, Thousand Sons, Warpsmiths, Dark Apostles...

We're not left with very many truly effective units on the table. Yes, Heldrakes and Plague Marines and Obliterators are good, but what kind of a list is that?

[Chris Copeland]

Daboarder, I'm just trying to wrap my head around where you're coming from. You seem to think that GW is screwing over Chaos players. You seem to agree that they have some of the best units in the game. I think that between the two codexes (CSM and Demons) you guys have a lot to work with and a lot going for you.

So what, exactly, do you see as the problem. Why the "**** chaos" line?

[Chris Copeland]

Yup, after you remove Mutilators, Possessed, Warp Talons, Helbrutes, and, really, Vindicators, Defilers, Predators, Terminators, Land Raiders, Khorne Berzerkers, Thousand Sons, Warpsmiths, Dark Apostles...

We're not left with very many truly effective units on the table. Yes, Heldrakes and Plague Marines and Obliterators are good, but what kind of a list is that? Why don't you want to use Land Raiders, Termies, Defilers, Thousand Sons, or Vindicators?

[LCS]

Yup, after you remove Mutilators, Possessed, Warp Talons, Helbrutes, and, really, Vindicators, Defilers, Predators, Terminators, Land Raiders, Khorne Berzerkers, Thousand Sons, Warpsmiths, Dark Apostles...

We're not left with very many truly effective units on the table. Yes, Heldrakes and Plague Marines and Obliterators are good, but what kind of a list is that?

There are a lot of armies with this problem, but generally Chaos and Tyranid players are the ones you see complaining about it. Even before the 6th Tyranid book (when people were taking there almost invincible wall of MC with biomancy and dominating), they were complaining that not enough of their units were good. Well, at least they could win games with what the have. Same with Chaos. I'd rather have a codex that has a few really strong units mixed in with weak ones and can win games than a codex with a bunch of weak units and noting that stands out as good that can't win games.

[daboarder]

Daboarder, I'm just trying to wrap my head around where you're coming from. You seem to think that GW is screwing over Chaos players. You seem to agree that they have some of the best units in the game. I think that between the two codexes (CSM and Demons) you guys have a lot to work with and a lot going for you.

So what, exactly, do you see as the problem. Why the "**** chaos" line?

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280190-official-chaos-codex-complaint-thread/

all in one easy to access thread

[Ravingbantha]

If Chaos is supposed to be the all corrupting force in the galaxy, then you should be able to field Chaos Knights, Fallen Eldar, Khorn or Nurgle Orks, Dark Tau, Traitor Guard. Aside from necrons and Tyranids I dont see why Chaos cant have allies in the other armies. There is alot more to Chaos then just evil Space Marines.

[MajorWesJanson]

While most Knights do not fall (and the ones who do are often hunted down, (RIP House Devine...or are they?)) they do make mention of Daemon Knights, which seems like setting up for a separate kit (likely BB for CSM and Chaos, maybe allies of convenience for IG)

[George Labour]

If Chaos is supposed to be the all corrupting force in the galaxy, then you should be able to field Chaos Knights, Fallen Eldar, Khorn or Nurgle Orks, Dark Tau, Traitor Guard. Aside from necrons and Tyranids I dont see why Chaos cant have allies in the other armies. There is alot more to Chaos then just evil Space Marines.

While it is noted for its corruptive qualities and the very angry ideologies of its adherents, it's not exactly noted for its building of team spirit and selflessness in its disparate adherents.

[DarkLink]

Daboarder, I'm just trying to wrap my head around where you're coming from. You seem to think that GW is screwing over Chaos players. You seem to agree that they have some of the best units in the game. I think that between the two codexes (CSM and Demons) you guys have a lot to work with and a lot going for you.

So what, exactly, do you see as the problem. Why the "**** chaos" line?

First off, I've yet to meet a Chaos player who doesn't hate the codex (and I'm a former Chaos player, and I'm restarting it soon).

Every single power armor unit is terrible. Horrible. I-hate-Phil-Kelly-itastic. Well, maybe that's a minor exaggeration, but not much of one. If you were to make a list of all of the worst power armor Marine units in the game, Chaos would be, by far, the most competitive book for the top slot.

If you ignore all of the power armor units, you're left with Cultists, some HQs, Mutilators, Oblits, and a few Daemon Engines and tanks.

The tanks are all strictly worse versions of the SM tanks, and Chaos only has a fraction of the weapon and wargear options. No Razorbacks, no Crusaders, etc, and none of the really "good" tank options are present*. The only really good Daemon Engine is the Heldrake. Maulerfiends are decent, but Defilers, Helbrutes, and Forgefiends are all pretty bad.

Cultists are decent. Mutilators are laughably pathetic. Oblits and Terminators are both decent, but since they're not scoring and Terminators are pretty bad in 6th they're both average options, and Terminators are mainly only good for suicide Combi-weapon squads, which is totally unfluff. Who plays Terminators to deepstrike in, melta one tank, then die? Chaos, that's who:cool:.

There are some solid HQ choices, but only a handful, and anything that isn't good is terribad.



So, really, the CSM codex isn't a Chaos Marine codex. It's Codex: Heldrakes, Daemon Prince w/ Black Mace, Cultists, and maybe a few Oblits/Maulerfiends.

Does that sound like a fun codex for someone who wants to play, say, a world-destroying band of Khorne Berzerkers slaughtering everything in their path? Or for a Black Legion player who's special perk is taking Chosen, which are hilariously bad, rendering his army incapable of victory if he actually plays, y'know, his army?

Every. Single. Chaos. Player. Hates the CSM codex, because no one wants to play Heldrakes and Cultists. They want cool armies with a bunch of traitor Marines running around pillaging and burninating everything in their path. The codex does not provide that, no matter if you play vanilla Chaos, any one of the Legions, or an army dedicated to Khorne/Nurgle/Tzeentch/Slaanesh, or an army of recently converted Traitor Marines. Heck, even if you wanted to play Traitor Guard, guess what, your entire army consists of... Cultists. Yay. You can feel my enthusiasm pouring through the interwebz.



*This isn't to say that they should just copy/paste all the SM toys into the Chaos book. It just means that Chaos vehicles should have their own useful, unique toys to differentiate them from loyalists, and they should be useful in-game units instead of being mostly worthless.

[SON OF ROMULOUS]

Seriously enough... enough already i play both World Eaters and Deathguard but this has to stop. this was suposed to be a thread about potential chaos knights and if or when they will arrive what they would be like would they be slanesshie like in epic ect... this is not another rant about how chaos sucks and is the redheaded stepchild of 40k... we get it heck i know i've gone off an had a million rants about it as well.. then you know what i did? i remembered it's a game and i shrugged my shoulders put on my big boy pants and i'm making the best out of a bad situation. I'm to heavily invested in my armies to shelve them heck i went out over the past several months to buy deamons for both armies as we picking up smaller 500 pt forces for both the thousand sons and emperors children...
(hell look up steel city grenediers on facebook its a pittsburgh gaming club those are my damn world eaters killing ultramarines)


So either the 2 of you and yes that's you link and boarder you both can continue to derail threads to go on about the same complaints which guess what everyone knows we are all unhappy with the chaos codex... they know. So why not try and figure out what to do besides moan? Do you plan to shelve your army boarder? we both play DeathGuard are you going to shelve them and not play with them? i know i sure the hell am not going to do that. you can either adjust and rise to the challenge sure the odds will be stacked heavily against us but oh well we conquered most of the damn galaxy once we can do it again. Hell i jsut ordered a damn necro model from forge world and i damn well intend to get some use out of him. So maybe the 2 of you can pitch in help do a tactica or toss around list ideas. there is a thread about slanessh and how to use sonic marines. Try going to that and helping the guy out he hasn't given up. I would try and help but seriously my noise marines aren't even painted yet they've seen zero table top action i have no clue how to help him.

[daboarder]

ok,

Being optomistic.

I would pay good money for chaos knights.

Even better I'd like to see the option to upgrade them to daemon engines, as in I would like to buy, (Daemonforge, daemon, IWND) special rules. about 30-50 pts seems about right for those upgrades.

Would be also fantastic to see different weapon loadouts for the Chaos engines, Maybe a Hellstorm option instead of the paladin (Deathknight?) and a lance weapon instead of the Errants melta one.

as for CC I'd keep it the same, once you get to a certain size variation is just for fun,

[ElectricPaladin]

As I work my way through the Knights codex, I think I can say with confidence that they are preparing the field for Chaos Knights. Although they do mention that Knight Houses tend to be conservative, which limits the frequency with which they fall to Chaos, it's important to remember the POV Principle. Codices are always written from the point of view of the subject of the codex. This is why Space Marines seem like the heroes of the galaxy if you read the Space Marines codex, but the Imperial Guard seems way more heroic if you read the Imperial Guard codex, the Emperor seems like a jerk if you read the Chaos Marines codex, and so on. If this is Codex: Imperial Knights, the narratives therein are going to favor the dominance of the loyal Knights. They did, however, mention both House Devine and a new fallen House.

Considering the POV Principle, that's basically prep for a datasheet, at least.

[Charon]

Still dont think we will see "official" Chaos Knights.
And even if we would, the would be crappy versions of the loyal ones for the same points which seems to be the grand theme of chaos nowadays.

Sidenote:


There are a lot of armies with this problem, but generally Chaos and Tyranid players are the ones you see complaining about it. Even before the 6th Tyranid book (when people were taking there almost invincible wall of MC with biomancy and dominating), they were complaining that not enough of their units were good. Well, at least they could win games with what the have. Same with Chaos. I'd rather have a codex that has a few really strong units mixed in with weak ones and can win games than a codex with a bunch of weak units and noting that stands out as good that can't win games.

I can actually understand the tyranid players. You seem to believe that everytime someone says "not enough good units" that means "my codex cant win", Which is plain wrong. Cultists and Dragons is very powerful. Tyranid big bugs were and are quite powerful. Its less about winning, its more about "feeling".
Have you ever read a book/flufftext covering tyranids? That vast army of bugs coming at you with billions of hormagaunts and termagaunts covering the whole landsacpe?
Now what does the codex promote? A few termagaunts to unlock tervigons ans big bugs. No vast armies, in fact very small armies. Very untyranid-ish. Dont read the "to few good units" as "cant win". Try to read it as "the wrong units are good and the fluff units are too weak" then maybe you get their point right.
Its less about weak units and strong units its more about "the wrong units are strong, the unfluffy units are strong". If your best option as CSM player is not to field ANY CSM (as in Cultists & Dargons) and your best option as a tyranid player is to play a small army of specialists (more greyknights than tyranids) the codex HAS failed.

[daboarder]

To be fair, the Dataslates have drastically changed the feel of Nid armies, sure your hyper constrained in what lists you can take, but we were already, this just gives us a few extra tasty bits, ones that make a HUGE difference to how the codex feels.

edit: I don't think it would work for every book, dataslates aren't a bolt on fix, but in the case of nids it may have.

[DrBored]

Seriously enough... enough already i play both World Eaters and Deathguard but this has to stop. this was suposed to be a thread about potential chaos knights and if or when they will arrive what they would be like would they be slanesshie like in epic ect... this is not another rant about how chaos sucks and is the redheaded stepchild of 40k... we get it heck i know i've gone off an had a million rants about it as well.. then you know what i did? i remembered it's a game and i shrugged my shoulders put on my big boy pants and i'm making the best out of a bad situation. I'm to heavily invested in my armies to shelve them heck i went out over the past several months to buy deamons for both armies as we picking up smaller 500 pt forces for both the thousand sons and emperors children...
(hell look up steel city grenediers on facebook its a pittsburgh gaming club those are my damn world eaters killing ultramarines)


So either the 2 of you and yes that's you link and boarder you both can continue to derail threads to go on about the same complaints which guess what everyone knows we are all unhappy with the chaos codex... they know. So why not try and figure out what to do besides moan? Do you plan to shelve your army boarder? we both play DeathGuard are you going to shelve them and not play with them? i know i sure the hell am not going to do that. you can either adjust and rise to the challenge sure the odds will be stacked heavily against us but oh well we conquered most of the damn galaxy once we can do it again. Hell i jsut ordered a damn necro model from forge world and i damn well intend to get some use out of him. So maybe the 2 of you can pitch in help do a tactica or toss around list ideas. there is a thread about slanessh and how to use sonic marines. Try going to that and helping the guy out he hasn't given up. I would try and help but seriously my noise marines aren't even painted yet they've seen zero table top action i have no clue how to help him.

It's not just those two. There's about another 3 or 4 of us on this site, and another 5 on MiniWarGaming, and perhaps another 6 on Warseer and 4 or 5 on Dakka, and those are individual people with different accounts.

Here's the thing. For every person that likes the Chaos codex, there's about 5 people that don't, for a variety of reasons.

Sorry we keep derailing your precious threads, but you're only giving us fuel to work with.

Pro tip: stop making threads about Chaos. If you make a thread about Chaos, we will stick to it like flies to vaseline. It doesn't matter if it's about Knights or Imperial Guard or whatever, as soon as Chaos is mentioned, we'll be there, groaning.

Do we want pity? Nah. Do we want sympathy? Nah. We just want to complain, because the Internet is great for venting.

[Chris Copeland]

Well, I'm going back on topic. :)

Paladin, it seems like you've picked up on the same vibe I did. GW was WAYYYY to specific about telling the tale of the fall of a Knightly house AND about the existence of Demon Knights for them NOT to do something with it. They don't even have to do much. Two easy steps, really:

Write and release a dataslate called "Deamon Knights."
Begin printing money

The model (the Knight kit) already exists and the community has already shown a willingness to mod it for Chaos uses. They chaos up the rules a bit, release the dataslate and boom: they are selling $15+/- dataslates and $140 Knight kits by the truckload...

[SON OF ROMULOUS]

hell i know i took a long hard look at the chaos baneblade i had been working on months ago and if i start to see more and more knights in my local area i just might start to bring that bad boy or paint up my lord of skulls or maybe even try my hand at converting up a nurgle baneblade. I know i have hope that we will be able to field chaos knights but i for one do not want them to be the same kit. i want to have an actual chaos knight weather its house devin and decicated to slanessh or some other freeblade or what not. i just know i want some organic looking monster and not a knight with spikes on it... i know that's why i liked the vengance mini's they were more organically twisted instead of the usual give me more spikes.

[Chris Copeland]

I'm guessing that we'll get Spiky Knights before we get a full, new sculpt. It just seems logical. The kits are right there, ready to go... all they need to do to move them is write a dataslate...

[Mr Mystery]

Quick peek at the sprues on the GW Website seems to show most of the weapon parts being on a single sprue.

Thus, easy enough to swap out for different weapons. Contrary to interwebular wisdom, GW do these sorts of things quite deliberately.

Reckon we'll see a 'more than just a bit spikey' Chaos variant before long.

[DrBored]

Quick peek at the sprues on the GW Website seems to show most of the weapon parts being on a single sprue.

Thus, easy enough to swap out for different weapons. Contrary to interwebular wisdom, GW do these sorts of things quite deliberately.

Reckon we'll see a 'more than just a bit spikey' Chaos variant before long.

That'd be pretty nice. I'd buy one up real fast if that were the case.

[Mr Mystery]

There are other kit bits on the sprue, and never having built one I can only go off the general visual impression all the bits for them are there.

[Lord-Boofhead]

So what, exactly, do you see as the problem. Why the "**** chaos" line?

Because Chemtrails and shape shifting reptilians...

[Lord-Boofhead]

Well, I'm going back on topic. :)

Paladin, it seems like you've picked up on the same vibe I did. GW was WAYYYY to specific about telling the tale of the fall of a Knightly house AND about the existence of Demon Knights for them NOT to do something with it. They don't even have to do much. Two easy steps, really:

Write and release a dataslate called "Deamon Knights."
Begin printing money

The model (the Knight kit) already exists and the community has already shown a willingness to mod it for Chaos uses. They chaos up the rules a bit, release the dataslate and boom: they are selling $15+/- dataslates and $140 Knight kits by the truckload...

While they mentioned House Devine who used Hell Knights, Hell Striders and Hell Scourges. And then mention a crusade to mostly wipe them out. They do mention another house to fell to Chaos in general and are still about. So just spiky Knights are a possibility.

[Lord-Boofhead]

It's not just those two. There's about another 3 or 4 of us on this site, and another 5 on MiniWarGaming, and perhaps another 6 on Warseer and 4 or 5 on Dakka, and those are individual people with different accounts.

So about 15 whinny over vocal guys vs 100s of Chaos Players out there?


Here's the thing. For every person that likes the Chaos codex, there's about 5 people that don't, for a variety of reasons.

No the rest of us who like the Dex or don't take it as a personal insult against us or part of an Illuminati Plot to ruin our lives aren't harping on constantly.

BTW I like the new dex. Its gives way more options than the last one or that hideous piece of crap in 3rd ed.. Is it as cool as the one before last? Or the 2nd ed version? Nope but the 3nd best out of 5 is good.

[Lord-Boofhead]

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280190-official-chaos-codex-complaint-thread/

all in one easy to access thread

Wow B&C condensed to its most whiny and obnoxious level. Thanks for reminding me why I avoid most other gaming forums.

[DrBored]

So about 15 whinny over vocal guys vs 100s of Chaos Players out there?



No the rest of us who like the Dex or don't take it as a personal insult against us or part of an Illuminati Plot to ruin our lives aren't harping on constantly.

BTW I like the new dex. Its gives way more options than the last one or that hideous piece of crap in 3rd ed.. Is it as cool as the one before last? Or the 2nd ed version? Nope but the 3nd best out of 5 is good.

Well then that's, just, like, your opinion, man.

[miteyheroes]

I imagine that Forgeworld will do a Chaos Conversion Kit. Keep the legs & torso, new weapons/head/armour panels.

Personally, having read the Codex I want an army of 4 knights for 1,500 points. But 4 knights is out of my price-range.

So I'll be kitbashing upright defilers into knights, make 4 nice twisted chaos knights and call them House Drakon.

[azoner]

Fluff wise I supposed (if this happens) they'd make some point of mentioning how chaos corrupts the throne mechanicum to enhance the rider's more ambitious and self centered traits instead of the more duty oriented ones that keep the normal but still glory hungry Imperial Knights from becoming greedy tyrants. Perhaps something in the imprinting process would cause it as generations of less than honorable riders would leave their mark on the machines.
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[Harley]

Heldrakes, the things that people hate us for if we take more than one?
Nurgle Daemon Princes that don't get an increase in Toughness?
Oblits that lost a lot of Leadership and now can't fire the same weapon?
Defilers that are just totally useless all around?

Ok, to be fair, Oblits are actually awesome, but the rest of what you got in there is a little irksome.

Plague Hulk is pretty darn awesome, just faced one the other day.

[dromanin]

I created this until we see a dataslate and some transfers. It the mount of Lyx Devine of House Devine


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I had a friend create the House Devine symbol, the hydra ying/yang and the chaos mechanicum in Adobe so I could make my own transfers.

[daboarder]

wow, hefty threadomancy.

no we are not likely to see chaos dataslates or variants to Knights.

And no, FW is not the answer, they haven't exactly solved our land raider problem in the last 2 decades now have they.