Do Ork Meks in Loota units count as characters for Precision Shots/Strikes?

[SquigBrain]

So, you buy a unit of Lootas, and make two of them mekboys with big shootas. Do they get precision shots?

Yes - They have a separate profile line in the codex.

No - The rulebook FAQ says Nobs become type Character when they lead a unit, but doesn't mention meks.


Any thoughts?

[Houghten]

If the FAQ doesn't mention Mekboyz, then the ruling in the BRB Appendix "Profiles" still stands. Mekboyz are In(Ch), therefore they are characters.

[Dave Mcturk]

but why ... in general... would you change a st7 2 or 3 shot 48" vap loota for at best a 5/5 36" mek ??

[Mr.Pickelz]

The reasoning behind the FAQ statement about Nobz is to eliminate the Unit of Nobz counting as Characters. Same goes with Paladins and Wolf Guard for GK's and SW's.

[SquigBrain]

but why ... in general... would you change a st7 2 or 3 shot 48" vap loota for at best a 5/5 36" mek ??

Well, I realize it may not be the most effective choice...but I would be doing it for the precision shots rule, the repair chance, to accept challenges if necessary, and mostly because I just want to model up an ork sniper. :)

[SaveModifier]

I think people take Meks because the box comes with a mek for every 4 Lootas, its very annoying

[SquigBrain]

but why ... in general... would you change a st7 2 or 3 shot 48" vap loota for at best a 5/5 36" mek ??

Also, he just *might* be manning a quad gun. :P

[SquigBrain]

An ork character on a quad gun might be the best sniper there is.

Low BS + Twin Linked = more rerolls, which equates to more chances to roll a six.

Four shots, on average, your BS2 hits with one of them, which gives you three re-rolls for a total of 7 chances to get a six, so you should be pulling off about 1 Precision shot per turn.

[Dave Mcturk]

loota packs are gr8 though .. all those extra bits...

i tend to run 42 lootas when im being cheesy...

but if you end up with spare guns they are great for making snazzgitz and meganobs

[Bambi]

Meks can have their uses if you are running lootas or burnas in a transport (particularly in a battlewagon). I also sometimes run a couple with lootas behind an aegis defence line next to a looted wagon with boom gun. Whilst their BS is rubbish i've played a couple of games where my meks have taken out a vehicle with lucky kustom mega blasta shots (always funny to see your opponents face when that one happens).

[Dave Mcturk]

think the blue moon in the sky was a warning ! :p

{statistically the mek is more likely to kill itself... another great example of rules writing}

[Bambi]

Sometimes desperate circumstances call for desperate measures, and anyway they're orks, I play them because I have embraced their frailties and enjoy their lunacy. Not everyone plays just to win you're allowed to have a bit of fun as well.

[Dave Mcturk]

i love my meks too... big... with a kff and a power claw and cybork armour ...
or sometimes just naked with an oilcan... [35 pts for an hq choice !]

or even when i am feeling random ... a couple with the MAD shokk attack gun

[Urtyfang]

meks are awesome when running a burna boy squad. By changing one to a mek with a big shoota you keep your 36" wound allocation range. Or if nothing else if you have 3 you can keep challenging to tie up their character so you don't lose as many orks.

[SaveModifier]

meks are awesome when running a burna boy squad. By changing one to a mek with a big shoota you keep your 36" wound allocation range. Or if nothing else if you have 3 you can keep challenging to tie up their character so you don't lose as many orks.

Thats not how wound allocation works,

[Nabterayl]

Thats not how wound allocation works,
Yes, it is. A target model is only "out of range," and thus un-killable, if it is out of range of every firing model.

[Dave Mcturk]

another great example of classy well thought out rules writing, logically flamers and template weapons should ONLY be able able to KILL models under their template... it is after all pretty much how higher technology template weapons work... and as for flamers firing overwatch from the rear of a unit ... oh my...

[John Bower]

True but so many rules don't make sense from a realism perspective, but are there for 'balance', *cough, cough* in a game. Take snipers, if you were to check the kill ratio of real snipers you'd soon realise their BS is around 9 not 3 or 4. And a guy with double his opponents WS would not be hitting 66% of the time, he'd kill them off the bat, without blinking. It would be like me trying to fight a Tiger with a knife, the tiger would be too quick and strong and would kill me before I got a blow in.

And on the subject of snipers, you should never, not ever in any way get a 'look out Sir' from a sniper shot.

[SaveModifier]

Yes, it is. A target model is only "out of range," and thus un-killable, if it is out of range of every firing model.

Only if you're a beardy, RAW ****-wit

[Dave Mcturk]

"And on the subject of snipers, you should never, not ever in any way get a 'look out Sir' from a sniper shot."

think this one is supposed to portray the 'bending over to tie up his shoelaces' effect...

and yes am having this argument at the moment... most elite snipers should be BS 10 if static and in cover... and at least 48" range

and the WS/WS table just needs to go down to '2's along the front line for it to make a huge difference for higher WS characters...

[Urtyfang]

Only if you're a beardy, RAW ****-wit

You do remember before that faq, flamers could wipe out an entire unit regardless of distance right? so by limiting it to the maximum distance of the unit they did reduce the range of flamers.

what you're saying is in essence: maximum range of the unit is lame, they should be unlimited like before.

[Dave Mcturk]

because everyone runs mothlike towards the flame ?... flamethrowers are great for clearing bunkers/buildings/ trenches where the weapon effect is magnified by being in an enclosed space, out in the 'open' they tend to ignite things 'nearest' and have far less effect on things 'further away'... in essence the template is almost the 'wrong way round'...