Off-Topic III: The Revengening!

[40kGamer]

My bet is the sight is purely decorative.

[Morgrim]

Why is it wearing a kid's boot on the stock?

[Psychosplodge]

idk it came off tumblr :D

[DarkLink]

Nah, Continetanal Drift would bugger the tunnel up after a few years, youy would need to make the tunnel flexiable, don't think the boffins will be able to agree on how to do that until the dust of the fights settle down :p

Welcome to california: http://dailycurrant.com/2014/11/05/california-approves-587-billion-high-speed-rail-link-to-hawaii/

[Mr Mystery]

I have been learning to speed read today.

Up to 1,320 words a minute. Which is nice.

[40kGamer]

Better be careful or the friction may light up your brain!

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/joshwolfe/files/2014/06/brain_on_fire.jpg

[Tyrendian]

Welcome to california: http://dailycurrant.com/2014/11/05/california-approves-587-billion-high-speed-rail-link-to-hawaii/

pleeeeease tell me that is not a real thing... "dumbest idea ever" sounds about right... and those quotes from the supporters... ohhh the humanity...

[DWest]

The Daily Currant is a satire site, like The Onion. Unfortunately, they're not exaggerating the level of stupid by much.

[DarkLink]

No, they really aren't. Adding a strech to Hawaii is about the only way they could make the High Speed Rail project more wasteful and pointless.

[eldargal]

Last day of regular work for a few months, just in time for Dragon Age Inquisition what a coincidence... 12 hours to go and I'm done.

[Mr Mystery]

Last day of regular work for a few months, just in time for Dragon Age Inquisition what a coincidence... 12 hours to go and I'm done.

Whereas I've gone mental and signed up to work Saturdays - because munneh

That and I really, really enjoy my job. And don't have a great deal better to do!

[Psychosplodge]

The Daily Currant is a satire site, like The Onion. Unfortunately, they're not exaggerating the level of stupid by much.

http://www.reddit.com/r/nottheonion/ if only these were satire


Last day of regular work for a few months, just in time for Dragon Age Inquisition what a coincidence... 12 hours to go and I'm done.

What a shocking coincidence. :D


Whereas I've gone mental and signed up to work Saturdays - because munneh

That and I really, really enjoy my job. And don't have a great deal better to do!

But what about laying around all day not getting dressed?

[Mr Mystery]

It's dressdown at work on Saturdays.

I'm building up to it. Then they can see my amazing techicolour techpants in all their glory!

[Wolfshade]

It comes to something that the most shared news item on BBC is a story about a woman who parked her car on tram lines in nottingham,...

[Psychosplodge]

abandoned more like.
Though they'd have been better just lifting the backend like a wheelbarrow.

[Mr Mystery]

Trying to order the Mechanicum Knight bundle, and HH IV.

It's not working.

TAKE MY MUNNEH CURSE YOU!

[Psychosplodge]

Worlds biggest liar contest (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-30143372)


Entry is barred to journalists, estate agents, lawyers, double glazing salesmen and politicians on the grounds that they are "professional liars".

[Darren Richardson]

So true that, so true :D

[Deadlift]

Alive and well, but suffering with Jet lag. Upside, I was awake at 4am so able to watch Lewis Hamilton win the 2014 title.

[Mr Mystery]

Don't think I've ever had Jetlag - but then I'm not noted for my international travel!

Glad to hear you're all good Mr Lift :)

[energongoodie]

Wasn't the most entertaining race but I'm glad he won :)

Glad the travelling went well :)

[Tyrendian]

Wasn't the most entertaining race but I'm glad he won :)

yup - can't say I overly like the man, but he does deserve the title this season. Let's hope they finally manage to weed out that fossil Bernie and make F1 truly worth watching again...

[Psychosplodge]

Alive and well, but suffering with Jet lag. Upside, I was awake at 4am so able to watch Lewis Hamilton win the 2014 title.

Well at least you got there, even if there's nowt on at 4am :D

[Wolfshade]

#neverbeasgoodasjensonbutton

All hail megatron!

First proper frost of the winter :( I've only been able to feel my toes for the last 30 minutes. Dman it.

[Mr Mystery]

Guardians of the Galaxy out on home media today.

JOY!

[Wolfshade]

I will wait for netflix ;)

[Mr Mystery]

It's here it's here it's here!

WOOOOOO!

So excite to see this again. Version I saw in the Cinema was a press screening, and didn't have a certain Superfowl in it....

[Wolfshade]

I've still not seen it :(

Also decided to move house again, though I have to wait 18 months to get out of my fixed term period. :( Trying to decide how to move my fruit bushes and trees.

Two weeks in a row I've been nominated for employee of the division, though owing to poluitics (i.e. not my team's turn to win) I didn't win :'(

[Psychosplodge]

Already? No improvement in noise?

[Wolfshade]

As I complain about their tv so they complain about my dog and to be honest in two years time I should be able to afford a detached house then I can start listenting to my music loud and not really care about those adjoining people.

[Psychosplodge]

oh dear.

[40kGamer]

Detached is a huge improvement over adjoining walls but you can still have 'that neighbor'. We have 1/2 acre in town and the guy next door manages to spend every free hour mowing, leafblowing, weedeating or generally just making noise. I swear that one of these days that leaf blower is going where the sun doesn't shine! Now we're looking at a 100 acre mountain property spread to get away from the noise hell of the city.

[Psychosplodge]

its alright for some :p
Though land is relatively cheap in the US right?

[40kGamer]

its alright for some :p
Though land is relatively cheap in the US right?

Depends heavily on location as even mountain property can be pricey. Lucky for us, we both grew up in West "by God" Virginia and the mountain property there is still relatively cheap. 100 acres will eat ~$250k USD plus whatever we want to spend on building the house. We both love crafts so we are looking at house designs that have our "play" room being the majority of the entire house.

[Darren Richardson]

see that's what neighbours are for, to annoy the hell out of each other :p

Personally I'm still dreaming of finding a nice dry cave in a mountainside, with soloar panels outside and insulated walls to go live in.....

Or a Hobbit Hole :D

[Horncastle]

Alive and well, but suffering with Jet lag. Upside, I was awake at 4am so able to watch Lewis Hamilton win the 2014 title.

Welcome to Canada! Never been to the west coast (only as far as Alberta) but I hear it's very nice.

[40kGamer]

see that's what neighbours are for, to annoy the hell out of each other :p

Personally I'm still dreaming of finding a nice dry cave in a mountainside, with soloar panels outside and insulated walls to go live in.....

Or a Hobbit Hole :D

Mine deserve a gold medal for being absolutely ace at accomplishing their task! :p Most days I would gladly dig a hobbit hole.

[Wolfshade]

Depends heavily on location as even mountain property can be pricey. Lucky for us, we both grew up in West "by God" Virginia and the mountain property there is still relatively cheap. 100 acres will eat ~$250k USD plus whatever we want to spend on building the house. We both love crafts so we are looking at house designs that have our "play" room being the majority of the entire house.

That's dooable. For that over here you can get a 3 bedroom detached house in a slightly more deprived area :( island problems

[40kGamer]

That's dooable. For that over here you can get a 3 bedroom detached house in a slightly more deprived area :( island problems

No doubt! When I scouted real estate in Scotland I was floored by the cost... I guess it's true that you can't go home again. :(

[Wolfshade]

Though I did see a nice bungalow on the isle of mann which was less than my current house, so I might be "neighbours" to kirsten...

Also:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uty2zd7qizA

[Kirsten]

house prices are pretty high over here by and large. not quite London high, but usually not that far off. because the island is so small as well, you don't really get cheaper areas to live. it can often be the opposite way round to England as well, where being outside of a town actually puts prices up, because you are still only no more than half an hour away from the city, whilst having the benefits of space etc.

[40kGamer]

House prices get really weird here. Some mountain areas like Wyoming have super high prices even though you are literally in the middle of nowhere. Our home state of West Virginia is a pricing anomaly. You are so-so close to a lot of major metros on the East coast but near nothing... reminds me of the Jack of All trades saying. Still 100 acres with a 2500 square foot house will probably run ~$500k. It is actually quite expensive to build your own road into a property that large and mountains are notoriously costly to work with. At the end of the day the heightened privacy supports the price tag.

[Wolfshade]

apparently though I can't cycle across the water so that plan is doomed to fail unless I work from home...

[Kirsten]

water cycling is quite tricky

[40kGamer]

apparently though I can't cycle across the water so that plan is doomed to fail unless I work from home...

No worries mate! A solution is right here: ;)

http://images.gizmag.com/hero/2505_02.jpg

[Wolfshade]

Back of an envelope calculation says I should be fine, I won't be aquaplaneing until like I hit 90mph so that is fine

[Mr Mystery]

Urgh. I think I'm coming down with something....

Lemsip doesn't seem to be helping either. This is rubbish.

[Wolfshade]

If it makes you feel any better I am in fine fettle.

[Mr Mystery]

I usually am - very rarely get ill.

Blech. Will see how it goes - might take tomorrow off, as I tend to do better in the long run when I can spend a day properly sweating it out.

[Psychosplodge]

Rather you than me Mystery ;)

But at least it should be gone in time for the serious merry making.

[Mr Mystery]

Well indeed.

Currently also feeling a bit of a chill - very not-me!

[Wolfshade]

Maybe you are just becoming southern?

[Mr Mystery]

Nah. Been here 23 years now. Hasn't started, so not gonna happen.

[Psychosplodge]

Maybe you are just becoming southern?

bit harsh isn't it?

[Mr Mystery]

Could do with going home - but not gonna do a part-timer.

If I'm better tomorrow, great. If not, sick day. I always get over stuff quicker when I wuss out on the second day.

[Kirsten]

I usually am - very rarely get ill.

I have the opposite problem, I get ill quite often, but never for long. family member comes down with a week long vomiting bug? 24 hours of feeling a bit queasy for me, then fine. I get everything that goes around, but it never lasts more than a day.

[Mr Mystery]

I don't tend to stay ill all that long.

OH, and that's just EFFing marvellous isn't it?

Reasonable chance I won't be in tomorrow, as I'm feeling very ropey, and now Forgeworld ship my Knight Combine and Vol IV.

Bah!

[Wolfshade]

The world is consipiring against you.

Thinking of sick days, I;ve not lost a day of work owing to one for a couple of years now.

Hmm, might need a week off with toncilitus ;)

[Mr Mystery]

No no no.

Poncilitis - an acute inflamation of nothing whatsoever.

Now feeling a bit better - really don't want to take a day off, as other than migraines, I've not been off sick here well...ever, now I think about it. I've got a reputation to uphold!

[Psychosplodge]

The world is consipiring against you.

Thinking of sick days, I;ve not lost a day of work owing to one for a couple of years now.

Hmm, might need a week off with toncilitus ;)

Yeah but not in your current position though...

[40kGamer]

One of the very few negatives of owning your own business is you screw yourself when you take a sick day. :p

[Wolfshade]

Yeah but not in your current position though...

On the swing?

[Psychosplodge]

I meant you dont have sick free years accrued here yet?

[Psychosplodge]

Gott! What is this madness?

http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/image.php?u=217&dateline=1416820245

[Wolfshade]

I meant you dont have sick free years accrued here yet?

Oh no, but then I don't accrue anything :(

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Gott! What is this madness?

http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/image.php?u=217&dateline=1416820245

Bad! Gott, it isn't even advent (commercial or liturgically speaking).

Though i need to look for a sufficiently festive pic.

[Gotthammer]

Only one month to go!

[Psychosplodge]

Can you add hats to mine for me for when it is actually time? :D

[Mr Mystery]

Reminds me.

Must whip round Tesco and buy a half dozen or so advent calendars, then drop them off at the food bank.

Serial - imagine being a kid, and being the only one in your class that doesn't have an advent calendar. Couple of quid to me, quite a lot to them.

[Gotthammer]

https://33.media.tumblr.com/3a58c0fcba6249ae016d9862b02a1848/tumblr_nfn5s4TM3V1r3nwsxo1_100.jpg

:)

[Mr Mystery]

Also - have come into work.

Hardcore, that's me.

Also feeling a bit better, but wasn't this morning at all.

[Wolfshade]

Good for you Mystery. [Living kingdom values ;)]

[Psychosplodge]

https://33.media.tumblr.com/3a58c0fcba6249ae016d9862b02a1848/tumblr_nfn5s4TM3V1r3nwsxo1_100.jpg

:)

Aww that's adawbs, thanks Gott :)

[Mr Mystery]

Good for you Mystery. [Living kingdom values ;)]

On the hardcore 'push through the ills', or the foodbank thing?

[Wolfshade]

Food bank donation.

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Aww that's adawbs, thanks Gott :)

Gott might have to be the offical Avatar Revisionist for Seasons and Events

[Mr Mystery]

I like Food Banks.

I may not like that we need them in one of the world's richest countries, but I'm glad they're there.

Having spent a while homeless, it's not much fun!

[Kirsten]

got a Bolt Action Hetzer yesterday, amazed how small they are, hadn't occurred to me that they wouldn't be 28mm scale. quite nice to have something in a different size though, and it allows a lot more movement on the table if the models are smaller. unfortunately though the bottom of the hull has been cut for some reason, perhaps trying to remove resin lumps, and the entire underside of the hull slopes from left to right looking at the front, so the left hand tracks don't have enough material to actually be glued to.

[Darren Richardson]

sigh, I don't even have the space to invest in another game system, what with my D&D book collection, my 40k and Fantasy Figures, not to mention LotR (don't have any Hobbit ones) and my Graphic Novels, and boring regular Novels, and computer and such, there's not much surface in my room left for the cat to lay on!

[40kGamer]

Priorities are a funny thing. :(

https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/11611_742130815879975_1594717018115560102_n.jpg?oh =b59fd6adcbeeaf9eec9cadfa056956af&oe=551B19DC

[40kGamer]

http://news.yahoo.com/cleveland-release-video-boy-shot-officer-110012912.html

Absolutely do NOT play with anything that looks like a real gun in public!

[Kirsten]

somebody please tell me this isn't true, it is too stupid to be real

http://nationalreport.net/mom-calls-911-on-son-new-self-rape-law/

[40kGamer]

somebody please tell me this isn't true, it is too stupid to be real

http://nationalreport.net/mom-calls-911-on-son-new-self-rape-law/

Snopes.com is reporting this is a false story.

http://www.snopes.com/media/notnews/selfrape.asp

[Kirsten]

that is a relief.

said the boy...

*drumroll*

[40kGamer]

that is a relief.

said the boy...

*drumroll*

So bad! I can imagine some mom's making that call. :p

[eldargal]

https://38.media.tumblr.com/07a1cdafc6fe1226c883994b561a8f66/tumblr_nfn73mVHDu1sc035po1_1280.jpg
Article about the chap on the left (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/suspended-st-louis-officer-speaks-darren-wilson-department/)

[Psychosplodge]

well it could be racism, it could be they work for different managers who apply the rules differently, it could be lack of press coverage for the bloke on the left?

[eldargal]

Nope, its racism, its too common and too consistent beyond this individual case.

[Psychosplodge]

It could be, but then again we're talking a about a country founded on genocide and slavery, and still values human life so little they'll stand and watch you die of easily treatable things for lack of insurance/money.

[eldargal]

Genocide of natives and slavery ofblack people, and their lives are devalued more than anyone's. I mean you have white people in America right now literally saying 'but Mike Brown stole some cigars worth five dollars' as justification for his murder. Because a black mans life is worth less than five dollars worth of cigars apparently. Nevermind that he paid for them. Not only that but the cop who executed him has been rewarded with over one million dollars.

[Wolfshade]

Anyone who happens to be in any outgroup is devalued. Just look at the number of people that are killed by being run over and how few of those are ever prosecutted, and yet the narriative that is reported is that the pedestrian dashed out or something like that there is always an excuse, "oh it was low sun" or some other excuse and the killer walks away without an endorsement the police don't investigate it correctly. But have someone steal something or damage property and boom they are all over it like a hot rash. We live in a society that values stuff over lives, that much appears to be universal.

[eldargal]

Yes but some outgroups you can opt out of, you can't opt out of being black.

[Psychosplodge]

I dont think you can opt out of crossing the road.

Though I'm not convinced the police give a **** about property crime against a member of the public. Now against the state, or a large business, or speeding or murder. That's about what the police do these days isnt it?

[Wolfshade]

Yes but some outgroups you can opt out of, you can't opt out of being black.

Flippantly, ask Michael Jackson that.

You can't really opt out of walking.

And even if you could, why should you. Or are you saying that descrimination against people that can't change what they are discriminated against are worse than those that choose to be in certain outgroups?

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That also sounds dangerously close to victim blaming, well you chose to be part of that outgroup what do you expect. But I know you wouldn't mean something like that, would you?

[Psychosplodge]

https://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m99lsnmxqV1revi4do1_500.jpg

Well she could have not been in an out group?

[Wolfshade]

Actually I was thinking of her. Did you see the animation that went with it? Very moving stuff. Essentially her experiance meant that the definition of hate crime was extended to include such volutnary outgroups

[Psychosplodge]

Well as it already included the voluntary religious groups its only fair.
I saw one a few years ago.
She popped up in my head as there were posts on FB yesterday or day before about what would have been her 28th birthday

[Wolfshade]

The whole thing I still can't get my head around. Her and her boyfriend's experiance scares me more than all the cycle collisions I've seen

[Gotthammer]

Lawrence O’Donnell, an MSNBC dude, just revealed that the prosecutor’s secretary gave the jury an outdated statute that states that police officers can shoot and kill a fleeing suspect simply because they are fleeing. But that was ruled by the Supreme Court as unconstitutional in the 1970s. She gave them an updated copy. When the jurors asked her if Supreme Court rulings override state rulings (for which the obvious answer is yes), she told them “don’t worry about that” instead of saying yes. She told them that they could still use the outdated statute, but that something in it was wrong. She never told them what part of the statute was wrong. She just said “DON’T WORRY ABOUT IT”

SHE GAVE THEM AN OUTDATED STATUTE THAT SAYS A POLICE OFFICER CAN DO EXACTLY WHAT DARREN WILSON DID, AND INSTEAD OF TELLING THEM THAT THAT PART OF THE STATUTE WAS WHAT WAS INCORRECT, SHE TOLD THEM NOT TO WORRY ABOUT IT.
HERE IS A LINK TO THE VIDEO!!
This is how the Grand Jury arrived at their verdict. Early on in the proceedings, Assistant District Attorney Alizadeh handed out copies of a law that was ruled unconstitutional in 1985. In essence it set the bar for use of excessive force lower than is permissible. Simply put, ADA Alizadeh told the jury that it was permissible to shoot a fleeing suspect.

--

Tennessee v. Garner made the statute Alizadeh distributed to the Grand Jury unconstitutional, but that didn’t stop her from distributing it to grand jurors at the outset in order to set their minds in a place where Darren Wilson was justified in what he did.

http://crooksandliars.com/files/images/14/11/screenshot_2014-11-26_20.41.23.png

Then, at the very end of the proceedings on November 21st, Alizadeh “corrected” the record. Sort of.

http://crooksandliars.com/files/images/14/11/screenshot_2014-11-26_21.43.15.png

For the entire proceeding, jurors weighed the evidence in light of a law that was deemed unconstitutional almost 30 years ago. Then they corrected the record at the very end

Link to the video and further discussion (http://crooksandliars.com/2014/11/how-robert-mcculloch-hoodwinked-ferguson).

[Psychosplodge]

The whole thing I still can't get my head around. Her and her boyfriend's experience scares me more than all the cycle collisions I've seen



What scared me was I wasn't surprised when it happened.

[Wolfshade]

Out of interest Gott, do you know why the presecution didn't raise an objection at the start about this?

This also highlights a problem where court rulings change laws, but "law" law isn't updated to meet "case" law.

Part of me is uncomfortable with laws being written and revised by unelected officials...

[daboarder]

http://www.nola.com/news/ferguson/ferguson-all-1.pdf


Might be interesting for people

[daboarder]

Out of interest Gott, do you know why the presecution didn't raise an objection at the start about this?

This also highlights a problem where court rulings change laws, but "law" law isn't updated to meet "case" law.

Part of me is uncomfortable with laws being written and revised by unelected officials...

The thing is, because of "case law" legislation doesn't NEED to be updated. the precedent is set and that is just a strong or stronger that legistlation

[Kirsten]

Link to the video and further discussion (http://crooksandliars.com/2014/11/how-robert-mcculloch-hoodwinked-ferguson).

surely they must re do the entire thing now

[Wolfshade]

Oh I know that it doesn't need to be, but it would be much easier if it were. That way when you start any preceedings you would be comparing law and relevant case law and it would be altogether. Rather than getting the law as wrote and then searching in a large pit for any relevant case law which may or may not be over looked (deliberately or otherwise).

[Gotthammer]

Out of interest Gott, do you know why the presecution didn't raise an objection at the start about this?

That was the prosecution. The chief prosecutor is president of a group that raised money for Darren Wilson. Basically every analysis of the prosecution by bar associations and legal experts has said it was almost as if given by a defence attorney.

http://40.media.tumblr.com/40e38e15a6f2fa0db68f1ee9c14c7274/tumblr_nfmlcz6Yb81qf7lkgo1_1280.jpg

http://38.media.tumblr.com/1a2f5842052cd9ff0cf81bfa6ae69ad9/tumblr_nfn0v3pzNU1rwrjiqo3_1280.jpg

http://38.media.tumblr.com/cd83350deb759846668e3d9d5834886a/tumblr_nfn0v3pzNU1rwrjiqo4_1280.jpg

http://38.media.tumblr.com/be2bf4fc3f3db6615f9bda9a5f89b78b/tumblr_nfn0v3pzNU1rwrjiqo5_1280.jpg

http://38.media.tumblr.com/3867d914b6782baaf44216d8b1f231b1/tumblr_nfn0v3pzNU1rwrjiqo6_1280.jpg

http://38.media.tumblr.com/331b95d9e51fe941cd1658198ae015ef/tumblr_nfn0v3pzNU1rwrjiqo7_1280.jpg

http://33.media.tumblr.com/d6b89e9f8fd541a4c14234853ea092e9/tumblr_nfn0v3pzNU1rwrjiqo8_1280.jpg

(Civil rights attorney/MSNBC legal analyst Lisa Bloom)

Not only all that but the police said Mike Brown was 35ft away from Wilson when Wilson shot him, thus as he "charged" he feared for his life. He was actually 148 feet away. (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/11/20/1346374/-BREAKING-VIDEO-Police-Lied-Mike-Brown-was-killed-148-feet-away-from-Darren-Wilson-s-SUV)

More on the "prosecutor":


One might give McCulloch (the prosecutor) the benefit of the doubt, if not for his background. His father was a police officer killed in a shootout with a black suspect, and several of his family members are, or were, police officers.

His 23-year record on the job reveals scant interest in prosecuting such cases. During his tenure, there have been at least a dozen fatal shootings by police in his jurisdiction (the roughly 90 municipalities in the county other than St. Louis itself), and probably many more than that, but McCulloch’s office has not prosecuted a single police shooting in all those years. At least four times he presented evidence to a grand jury but — wouldn’t you know it? — didn’t get an indictment.

One of the four: A 2000 case in which a grand jury declined to indict two police officers who had shot two unarmed black men 21 times while they sat in their car behind a Jack in the Box fast-food restaurant. It was a botched drug arrest, and one of the two men killed hadn’t even been a suspect.

McCulloch at the time said he agreed with the grand jury’s decision, dismissing complaints of the handling of the case by saying the dead men “were bums.” He refused to release surveillance tapes of the shooting. When those tapes were later released as part of a federal probe, it was discovered that, contrary to what police alleged, the car had not moved before the police began shooting.


Also note that despite being called a trial it wasn't to find Wilson guilty or innocent, but to determine if there was enough conflicting evidence requiring deliberation, or direct evidence of a crime being committed. Most Grand Jury trials take a day or less, have half a dozen witnesses and do not have the defendant present. This one took 25 days, had 80 witnesses, and Wilson was interviewed for four hours alone.



Also also out of around 100,000 grand jury trials only 100 or so have not gone to court. Except in the 81 involving police, where only one has proceeded.

[Wolfshade]

That was the prosecution. The chief prosecutor is president of a group that raised money for Darren Wilson. Basically every analysis of the prosecution by bar associations and legal experts has said it was almost as if given by a defence attorney.

Blimey. Surely that is sufficient to be a miss-trial?

[Kirsten]

it will always be far more important to them that police officers can kill people freely, than victims get justice. they will have been worried that if Wilson were prosecuted, the floodgates would open and police would have to do things like use reasonable force, or think about their actions. that might make them hesitate to kill, and people would therefore worry about their safety. it is the same with Zimmerman, far more important that stand your ground laws remain than a victim gets justice.

[Gotthammer]

Blimey. Surely that is sufficient to be a miss-trial?

No, because it's not a trial as one usually thinks of it to determine innocence or guilt, but more like a committal hearing to determine the strength of the evidence that there is a reasonable case to go ahead with. I believe the US is the only country to still use them.

[Wolfshade]

What worries me in cases like this or the Mendez trial in the uk. Even where there aren't any procedural issues, there is always the feeling that the establishment will protect the establishment and so there will be those who do not accept the outcome of the trial even if it were without controversey.

I am not sure in such occassions what can be done. Well other than making sure every trial is transparent and everything is proper.

[Kirsten]

there is always the feeling that the establishment will protect the establishment

clearly in America they always will

[White Tiger88]

Considering the riots I would say it doesn't mater what the cases out come is as this would of hsppend regardless.

[Wolfshade]

Considering the riots I would say it doesn't mater what the cases out come is as this would of hsppend regardless.

Yeah, it would either be because of the miscarriage of justice with the cop being a scapegoat or because of the miscarriage of justice with the cop getting away scott free.

[Kirsten]

but if you look at the rioters, according to police reports of arrests since the shooting, most of those rioters arrested are white and from a different town. almost as if they are using the unrest as an excuse. obviously that is not always the case, but the people who are using the riots as an excuse to condemn the black community are ignoring the activities of the kkk etc. who are there.

[Gotthammer]

Also that there is a whole load of video footage showing police firing rubber bullets and teargas at peaceful protesters (including people trying to help a woman who'd had a heart attack), firing teargas into residential areas, fires being started not by riots but by teargas cannisters shot into cars, police surrounding protesters on all sides then telling them to disperse (what first amendment lol) or be arrested but not letting the protesters through their lines etc etc.

[Kirsten]

yup, not to mention hiding their identities, harassing journalists, doing everything they possibly can to obscure the truth.

[eldargal]

The 'rioters' also torched Mike Browns church. Why on earth would supporters of Mike Brown torch his church? It is however a long established KKK tactic, and the current head honcho of the KKK admitted to having links with Ferguson police on television before backtracking and trying to say he had friends who knew people.

The decision not to indict was never in doubt, people on social media have been talking about it and the prosecutors links to Ferguson police for over a month. The riots didn't erupt when the decision came down, they erupted when police attacked the peaceful vigils and protests.

[Wolfshade]

For a slight change of pace, I am cleaning someone else's code up and I have discovered the following:

There is an object called 'mlp'
A Variable called 'fltrshy'

[Psychosplodge]

http://th09.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2012/274/e/e/fluttershy_yay_poster_by_anthroxtra-d5ggyyd.png

[Mr Mystery]

Feeling crap today. And took the day off work.

Still full of bogies and Bleurgh.

Currently building Nurgle models in the hope I can appease Grandfather.

[DarkLink]

http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/2nbuxe/ferguson_decision_megathread/

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/08/13/us/ferguson-missouri-town-under-siege-after-police-shooting.html?_r=1

http://apps.stlpublicradio.org/ferguson-project/evidence.html

[40kGamer]

It could be, but then again we're talking a about a country founded on genocide and slavery, and still values human life so little they'll stand and watch you die of easily treatable things for lack of insurance/money.

Time to insert some much needed musical propaganda.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hc-v8CFJzu4

Cheers! :p

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surely they must re do the entire thing now

Surely thou jest.

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No, because it's not a trial as one usually thinks of it to determine innocence or guilt, but more like a committal hearing to determine the strength of the evidence that there is a reasonable case to go ahead with. I believe the US is the only country to still use them.

Yes indeed. Not a trial and only used to determine if there is a sufficient reason to have a trial. The prosecutor has almost complete control over what is presented to the Grand Jury so they can basically determine the outcome before it even starts. This was nothing more than a dog and pony show.

[DarkLink]

Believe it or not, when a grand jury spends nearly a full month interviewing over 60 witnesses and all the physical evidence the can find and release a detailed 4,800 page document containing all the testimonies and evidence, they generally don't reverse their decision due to a few politically motivated tweets.

That said, this was only one of several investigations. The FBI is independently investigation this as a civil rights case, and the local prosecutor has nothing to do with that one.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8

(Language warning)

[Gotthammer]

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/08/13/us/ferguson-missouri-town-under-siege-after-police-shooting.html?_r=1


11:54 a.m. Michael Brown and Dorian Johnson leave Ferguson Market and Liquor. Surveillance video shows Mr. Brown stealing some cigarillos. They walk along West Florissant Avenue and then in the middle of the street on Canfield Drive.

False. The owner of the store has said that while he did argue with Mike Brown over some cigarillos they were not stolen, Brown paid for them, and he never called the police (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/18/1322560/-Ferguson-Store-Owner-Says-NO-ONE-From-His-Store-Called-Cops-To-Report-Cigar-Theft).

Which makes this:


He sees that Mr. Brown fits the description of a suspect in a convenience store theft.

A complete lie. In fact the Ferguson police chief retracted his statement Wilson knew of the theft (which didn't actually happen) and said the traffic stop was because "they were walking down the street blocking traffic".

[DarkLink]

You also seem to think the medical records don't show that Wilson had been struck, or know anything about the actual timeline of events based on the physical evidence. It's easy to be right when you believe only what you want to hear. I'm going to generally believe the NY Times over someone who pulls their opinions from heavily biased sources and who made up their mind on guilty long before seeing any evidence. You want to convince anyone? Don't quote some random person's snarky tweet. Make the effort to read the grand jury document and explain, in great detail, using verifiable sources that are as unbiased as possible.


Edit: though I think you are correct that they didnt call 911 at the store and wilson had no knowledge of the robbery. So that is one minor error. The grand scheme of events in that article is pretty strongly backed up by the physical evidence and several eye witness testimonies.

[40kGamer]

This case doesn't bother me as bad as the guy the police shot and killed in the Wal-Mart here in Ohio or the 12 year old that was shot and killed in Cleveland. Both of these were on video and in both cases the official police report does not match the video evidence. And no big surprise... nothing happened in either case. Plus I'm still plenty pissed that the idiots in Washington are handing out military grade equipment like candy. Who the hell thinks it's a good idea to give Barney Fife a tank and an assault rifle?

[daboarder]

That said, this was only one of several investigations. The FBI is independently investigation this as a civil rights case, and the local prosecutor has nothing to do with that one.


I thought the FBI case was independent of a civil case?

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or the 12 year old that was shot and killed in Cleveland.

Yeah I saw that one, pretty stupid all round if you ask me.

Shooting the poor kid was insane, but at the same time, that looked like a very realistic toy to me


EDIT: Wait, did any of you read anything from the evidence transcript?

just in case you missed it
http://www.nola.com/news/ferguson/ferguson-all-1.pdf

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Plus I'm still plenty pissed that the idiots in Washington are handing out military grade equipment like candy. Who the hell thinks it's a good idea to give Barney Fife a tank and an assault rifle?
yeah, that seems nuts, aren't sheriffs elected? who wants an elected official running around with that kind of hardware, seems like a good way to create fiefdoms

[Mr Mystery]

Force Awakens trailer should be going up tomorrow.

I R EXCITE!

[Kirsten]

It's easy to be right when you believe only what you want to hear.

hold on while I fetch you a nice pair of massive irony blinkers.

[40kGamer]

I thought the FBI case was independent of a civil case?

yeah, that seems nuts, aren't sheriffs elected? who wants an elected official running around with that kind of hardware, seems like a good way to create fiefdoms

The federal civil rights violation investigation is a separate case for what it's worth. They are more for appeasing the masses until things calm down. And you are correct that sheriff's are indeed elected officials. I'm far from amused with them having military grade equipment.

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Shooting the poor kid was insane, but at the same time, that looked like a very realistic toy to me

It did look pretty real. Supposedly in the 2 seconds it took the officers to shoot and kill him they ordered him to drop it and get on the ground 3 times. They must talk like an auctioneer to squeeze that into 2 seconds. The thing that is most disturbing is that if any other citizen pulled any one of these stunts they would be prosecuted. They may get lucky and not go to jail but they would have to answer for it in court... with all of these cases, all you hear are crickets.

[daboarder]

The federal civil rights violation investigation is a separate case for what it's worth.

Sure, its like the OJ Simpson case.

As far as I am aware the actual release of the evidence (and the quantity released) is almost unheard of, almost like they we're going out of their way to ensure that people dont have to just rely on other media.

I want to see the split of what the jury voted for but I doubt we ever will (though that my do a lot to shut people up either way)

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It did look pretty real. Supposedly in the 2 seconds it took the officers to shoot and kill him they ordered him to drop it and get on the ground 3 times. They must talk like an auctioneer to squeeze that into 2 seconds. The thing that is most disturbing is that if any other citizen pulled any one of these stunts they would be prosecuted. They may get lucky and not go to jail but they would have to answer for it in court... with all of these cases, all you hear are crickets.

eh, theres nothing I can really say to that, I'd imagine that independent investigations are undertaken, but I honestly couldn't say (we have coronial inquests in australia.)

Remember that the stupid can go both ways.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/25508873/police-shooting-arrest-outrage/

THAT^ that is just ****ing stupid, disrespectful and a good way to ensure next time that the hostage is hurt.

[DarkLink]

hold on while I fetch you a nice pair of massive irony blinkers.

I haven't actually said whether or not I believe the officer should have been indited, whether the department should be sued for mishandling the case, whether or not this was a racially motivated thing on behalf of the officer, etc. I've only stated that based on the politically charged rhetoric that gotthammer has ben basing her argument on, that she is basing her response an an emotional kneejerk while selectively picking fact to support her argument rather than taking a logicl and rational argument. And that I find the NY Times and the grand jury documents to be a more reliable source than what she has posted. Doesn't mean she's wrong, just that she needs to slow down and take a bit of time to really look at all the evidence and do a better job of presenting her argument as unbiased and objective.


Force Awakens trailer should be going up tomorrow.

I R EXCITE!

Even the fake that got posted got me excited.


THAT^ that is just ****ing stupid, disrespectful and a good way to ensure next time that the hostage is hurt.

Yeah, unions here tend to be kind of messed up. Like, teachers unions don't care about teaching students, just making sure you can't fire teachers ever no matter how terrible they are. Teachers unions have been as much of an obsticle to education reform as budget cuts.

[daboarder]

Yeah, unions here tend to be kind of messed up. Like, teachers unions don't care about teaching students, just making sure you can't fire teachers ever no matter how terrible they are. Teachers unions have been as much of an obsticle to education reform as budget cuts.

Actually that story is the opposite.

Police officers shot a man while he was taking a person hostage at knifepoint. Man died, police were immediately arrested and treated generally like ****. Union is are demanding answers for why they were treated this way


The WA Police Union is demanding answers to why four of its members were arrested and detained for up to 13 hours like “criminals” after last Saturday’s fatal shooting in Carlisle.

[eldargal]

I posted the video of Mike Brown paying for his cigars in the feminism topic. The Ferguson police deliberately edited that out. Even if he had stolen them all that says is you think its ok for a white cop to execute a black man in the street over the theft of something worth a few dollars.

[DarkLink]

Oh, well, ignore me then. Thought it was the 12 year old kid with the toy gun thing.


I posted the video of Mike Brown paying for his cigars in the feminism topic. The Ferguson police deliberately edited that out. Even if he had stole them all that says is you think its ok for a white cop to execute a black man in the street over the theft of something worth a few dollars.

Huh, coulda sworn that the story was the police didn't know about the cigar thing, so how could he have been executed by police for it? Maybe it's those mind reading brain wave scanners cops have. The officer drove by, saw brown had paid for his cigars, so he whipped out his pistol and shot brown. Then punched himself in the face, rubbed blood on his clothes and the door of his patrol car, and called it in as self defense after bribing some of the witnesses to testify on his behalf?

[eldargal]

And here's a forensic pathologist (you know, an expert) saying why Darren Wilsons defense is bull****:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLrD5ojv21c

[daboarder]

I posted the video of Mike Brown paying for his cigars in the feminism topic. The Ferguson police deliberately edited that out. Even if he had stolen them all that says is you think its ok for a white cop to execute a black man in the street over the theft of something worth a few dollars.

yeah cool so your thoughts on the testimony of people with mike brown at the time? Who were also with him later?

[eldargal]

You mean the witnesses whose stories consistently said that Mike Brown ran from Darren Wilson, turned and raised his arms and was then shut multiple times in the chest and head? In direct conflict with Darren Wilson who claimed Brown charged at him before he opened fire? Witness accounts that are consistent with the forensic evidence in contrast to Wilsons'?

They sound fairly reliable to me.

Going to point out that the American Bar Association also thinks the failure to indict was absurd, but what would a prestigious one hundred and fifty year old association of lawyers know about it?

[daboarder]

You mean the witnesses whose stories consistently said that Mike Brown ran from Darren Wilson, turned and raised his arms and was then shut multiple times in the chest and head? In direct conflict with Darren Wilson who claimed Brown charged at him before he opened fire? Witness accounts that are consistent with the forensic evidence in contrast to Wilsons'?

They sound fairly reliable to me.

Going to point out that the American Bar Association also thinks the failure to indict was absurd, but what would a prestigious one hundred and fifty year old association of lawyers know about it?

so yeah, thanks for making my point.

So its a CLUSTER ****, you have witnesses contradicting each other all over the place.

I mean seriously, where do you get off chopping and choosing whatever parts of witness testimony you want?

whose more believable, the store owner, or the guy standing next to him?

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You know what screw it, You wouldn't have been happy with anything less than first degree murder.

EDIT:
Daboarder, you clearly have no ****ing clue what you are talking about, so just stop. This wasn't about finding Wilson guilty of murder, it is about whether there was grounds to send him to trial which there was according to the ****ing American Bar Association who know more about American law than you ****ing do.

Yes, I KNOW. And if he had been indicted and then found not guilty at trial you would again be screaming insults and profanity about "****ing white males"

[eldargal]

The witnesses statements were broadly consistent with one another and the forensic evidence, it should have gone to trial which is what the grand jury decided was unnecessary. Something they do in 0.004% of cases put before them. Also the prosecutor has KNOWN ties to Ferguson police, is KNOWN to be involved with a fundraiser for Darren Wilson, and has been condemned by the American Bar Association for not doing his job properly.

Darren Wilson referred to Brown as 'it' 'beast' and 'demon' in his statement, that doesn't sound racist at all though?

Mike Brown was unarmed. This is fact. Mike Brown did not attack Darren Wilson. This is fact. Mike Brown fled from Darren Wilson. This is Fact. Mike Brown committed no crime. This is fact. Mike Brown was shot multiple times in the chest and head while unarmed after fleeing and offering no aggressive action according to all the eye witnesses. This is fact.

It should have gone to trial, it is simple as that. It didn't because nine white people on the grand jury decided it was fine for a police officer to murder an unarmed, innocent black man who was fleeing from him.

The situation is not complex, the onyl people who think that are white people who care more about the reputation of a white police officer than the life of the teenager he gunned down in the street.

Daboarder, you clearly have no ****ing clue what you are talking about, so just stop. This wasn't about finding Wilson guilty of murder, it is about whether there was grounds to send him to trial which there was according to the ****ing American Bar Association who know more about American law than you ****ing do.

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The shop owner said there was no robbery, I'm inclined to believe him so you are literally making no ****ing sense.

Honestly the mental gymnastics white boys will do to justify the murder of black people never ceases to amaze me.

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Ok let me explain some more:

The point of this case going to the grand jury was to decide whether there was a reason for it to go trial, or if there was clearly no case to answer. There is a clear need for more investigation, I think you can agree since 'contradiction' seems to be a thing you're going for at the moment. The grand jury decided Wilson had no case to answer, no need for a trial.

So let me ask you this:

Given that in a case where a police officer gunned down an UNARMED black man who had committed NO CRIME the police officers testimony is contradicted both by the eye witness accounts and the forensic evidence, do you think there should have been a trial to establish guilt or innocence?

Yes or no. Should there have been a trial.

I say yes, the American Bar Association say yes, many, many other experts say yes.

It's not about declaring him guilty, its about whether it should have gone to trial. THAT is what is in dispute here.

[Gotthammer]

You also seem to think the medical records don't show that Wilson had been struck, or know anything about the actual timeline of events based on the physical evidence.

Ummm what?

I've never denied Wilson was struck, or that there was a confrontation, or even that Mike Brown was possibly even in the wrong in this part of the confrontation. What I have questioned is the fact that the Ferguson police have repeatedly been shown to change their version of events (robbery, not robbery. Shoplifting, not shoplifting. Brown was armed, not armed), failed to interview eyewitnesses, lied about facts (they have insisted for the entirety of it that Mike Brown was 35 feet away when killed, when the fact is he was over 130 feet away), and attempted to suppress any coverage of events - this is the police force who attempted to get all reporters confined to a "second amendment area" and teargassed ones who left it; covered their badge numbers; grabbed people off the street and held them without charge, saying to protest leaders they would be released without charge if the protesters dispersed.

No reason to go to a full trial?

https://31.media.tumblr.com/6d7df9533d64454a942399592c1b53dd/tumblr_nfppzfVJV91shiv3ro1_1280.png


https://31.media.tumblr.com/ee11a13dfa059981cb2f851fee56513b/tumblr_nfpscdAeBd1qkchnio1_1280.jpg


While a Ferguson resident will lose an eye after being hit with a rubber bullet:

http://www.saycheesetv.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/B3ZDz4wIAAAEIqE.jpg-large.jpg

[White Tiger88]

Lets sum this up with a picture shall we?

http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/q763/White_Tiger88/ayp1ezy_700b_zps6d74dbeb.jpg (http://s1358.photobucket.com/user/White_Tiger88/media/ayp1ezy_700b_zps6d74dbeb.jpg.html)

[eldargal]

He didn't rob a store (according to the store owner, who should know better than anyone) and he didn't assault a police officer (according to most witness accounts) and gang members tend to be what we call 'criminals' while police officers, stop me if this is too advanced for you, aren't supposed to murder people. Like, you know, criminals.

So take your racist lies and shove them up your ****ing arse.

[Gotthammer]

And I don't think you'll find large numbers of people saying the girl's death was anything short of a horrible tragedy and the perpetrators should be brought to justice.

[eldargal]

Assuming the case is that of Laylah Petersen which I found after a quick googling, the police have pledged to find the killers and send them to jail. As opposed to Ferguson where they KNOW who the killer was and have literally declared martial law, trodden over citizens constitutional rights, attacked peaceful protests with military grade equipment, fired tear gas and rubber bullets at press at protesters and behaved illegally to protect him from even going to TRIAL let alone prison.

[White Tiger88]

He didn't rob a store (according to the store owner, who should know better than anyone) and he didn't assault a police officer (according to most witness accounts) and gang members tend to be what we call 'criminals' while police officers, stop me if this is too advanced for you, aren't supposed to murder people. Like, you know, criminals.

So take your racist lies and shove them up your ****ing arse.

So............things you find on the internet make you an expert on this stuff? Also i fail to see how this stuff is anything new to people considering it has been happening for over 100 years in the USA and suddenly everyone is getting more upset over this then Russia constantly attacking another country...........Interesting.



Edit: Also a mod should probably close this thread before its gets even more out of hand no one will agree on this one way or another. (Plus i fail to see how calling people racist gets anything solved.........Its just kinda sad really that you think you can scream racism at other opinions to win)

[Psychosplodge]

WOOHOO!

Car passed MOT with only the expected advisarys on the nearly worn tyres!

[Mr Mystery]

Got my VT-49 Decimator!

Sadly, UPS are unable to find a unique building in London, despite having the postcode and building name, and have returned my Forgeworld order to Forgeworld.

Bah. Time to contact Forgeworld and get it sent out again.

[eldargal]

So............things you find on the internet make you an expert on this stuff? Also i fail to see how this stuff is anything new to people considering it has been happening for over 100 years in the USA and suddenly everyone is getting more upset over this then Russia constantly attacking another country...........Interesting.



Edit: Also a mod should probably close this thread before its gets even more out of hand no one will agree on this one way or another. (Plus i fail to see how calling people racist gets anything solved.........Its just kinda sad really that you think you can scream racism at other opinions to win)

You're a guy with a ****ing **** reference in his damned name and you're posting memes based on demonstrably false claims and false equivalence to defend a murderous white police officer. It's not screaming racist its stating the ****ing obvious.

I'm not an expert, I listen to the experts. But apparently a bunch of white ****boys on the internet are more equipped to judge US law than the American Bar Association, so whatever.

[White Tiger88]

You're a guy with a ****ing **** reference in his damned name and you're posting memes based on demonstrably false claims and false equivalence to defend a murderous white police officer. It's not screaming racist its stating the ****ing obvious.

I'm not an expert, I listen to the experts. But apparently a bunch of white ****boys on the internet are more equipped to judge US law than the American Bar Association, so whatever.

Um i was Born in 1988....and i love White Tigers....so......hi? Also this is MY white tiger that i painted thus the name reference.... (its a 1\16 RC tank, i want a Perishing and king tiger next ><)

http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/q763/White_Tiger88/Tiger%201/20130825_171000_zpse7dca6e1-1.jpg (http://s1358.photobucket.com/user/White_Tiger88/media/Tiger%201/20130825_171000_zpse7dca6e1-1.jpg.html)
http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/q763/White_Tiger88/Tiger%201/20130825_171015_zps1d4cb347.jpg (http://s1358.photobucket.com/user/White_Tiger88/media/Tiger%201/20130825_171015_zps1d4cb347.jpg.html)
http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/q763/White_Tiger88/Tiger%201/20130825_170953_zpsc5173808-1.jpg (http://s1358.photobucket.com/user/White_Tiger88/media/Tiger%201/20130825_170953_zpsc5173808-1.jpg.html)

Not saying a thing on the opinions that are being posted as they violate forum rules :)

[eldargal]

Got my VT-49 Decimator!

Sadly, UPS are unable to find a unique building in London, despite having the postcode and building name, and have returned my Forgeworld order to Forgeworld.

Bah. Time to contact Forgeworld and get it sent out again.
Wish I had mine.><

[White Tiger88]

PM sent Mystery i am selling all my x-wing and i have a VT in there for you to have two!!!!

[Mr Mystery]

Wish I had mine.><

It will arrive.

And many, many Lady Cards involved!

[eldargal]

That's why I bought it.:p also because I have all the other Imperial ships.

[Mr Mystery]

Mission Briefing is very, very funny!

[White Tiger88]

Mission Briefing is very, very funny!

You mean the "Angry lady kills everything" parts.................. *palm*

[Mr Mystery]

More just how ruthless the Empire are.

Gives me a giggle every time. Especially being familiar with British Empire attacks and tactics.

[White Tiger88]

More just how ruthless the Empire are.

Gives me a giggle every time. Especially being familiar with British Empire attacks and tactics.

True, Remember kids if there good enough to fly a tie they are good enough to dodge friendly fire!!

[Mr Mystery]

I have seen the trailer.

And it is good.

[White Tiger88]

I have seen the trailer.

And it is good.

Palpatine clone i bet...............Looks like they did cast Jacen & Jaina as well!

[daboarder]

You're a guy with a ****ing **** reference in his damned name
Um i was Born in 1988....and i love White Tigers....so......hi? Also this is MY white tiger that i painted thus the name reference.... (its a 1\16 RC tank, i want a Perishing and king tiger next ><)

http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/q763/White_Tiger88/Tiger%201/20130825_171000_zpse7dca6e1-1.jpg (http://s1358.photobucket.com/user/White_Tiger88/media/Tiger%201/20130825_171000_zpse7dca6e1-1.jpg.html)
http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/q763/White_Tiger88/Tiger%201/20130825_171015_zps1d4cb347.jpg (http://s1358.photobucket.com/user/White_Tiger88/media/Tiger%201/20130825_171015_zps1d4cb347.jpg.html)
http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/q763/White_Tiger88/Tiger%201/20130825_170953_zpsc5173808-1.jpg (http://s1358.photobucket.com/user/White_Tiger88/media/Tiger%201/20130825_170953_zpsc5173808-1.jpg.html)

Not saying a thing on the opinions that are being posted as they violate forum rules :)

That was the best response I have seen, fantastic sir, talk about making a point.

[energongoodie]

Got my VT-49 Decimator!

Sadly, UPS are unable to find a unique building in London, despite having the postcode and building name, and have returned my Forgeworld order to Forgeworld.

Bah. Time to contact Forgeworld and get it sent out again.

Forgeworld order eh ;)

[Kirsten]

woohoo, ordered a special edition Horus Heresy Volume 4 book, I thought they would run out before I had any spare money.

[The Girl]

This is the oubliette... we don't typically moderate down here because of the nature of the forum. That said, I've had the same post reported by several people in the last 24 hours so I feel I have to issue a reminder:

I know conversations can get heated, but refrain from screaming insults at one another. Walk away from your keyboard, get some air, scream into a pillow; whatever you need to do to calm down before you decide to post. And, as always, you don't have to respond.

Just calm down. Take a breath.

If you can't do that, please take it to PMs or email or your blog... just not here.

[Wolfshade]

So I've just realised that Battlestar is just a copy of Mormonism

Kolob = Kobol
Quorum of 12 = Quorum of 12 Apostoles


and many more mind.blown.

[daboarder]

So I've just realised that Battlestar is just a copy of Mormonism

Kolob = Kobol
Quorum of 12 = Quorum of 12 Apostoles


and many more mind.blown.

um...yeah dude, the director is a mormon, thats reasonably common knowledge mate.

[White Tiger88]

That was the best response I have seen, fantastic sir, talk about making a point.

I love you boarder.


(Not sure if Sarcastic....................lol)

[Morgrim]

Gah. I'm getting abuse hurled at me because I said that I don't care for Thanksgiving and want irritating yanks to stop bothering me about it. I'm aussie! Why on earth should I have to celebrate your creepy country-specific holiday?!

[eldargal]

Yeah they get really angsty about Thanksgiving in particular for some reason. Maybe because its under attack for being culturally insensitive given that it preceded centuries of genocide against native Americans? I recommend trolling them.

Feeling 100% happier about End Times now, might even start painting Stuff again.

[Kirsten]

yeah I got asked a few times, 'what did you do for Thanksgiving?' nothing, obviously...

[DWest]

The UK really *should* celebrate Thanksgiving . . . after all, it marks the day the colonial nutters finally had enough of a foothold over here that you didn't have to worry about them coming back!

[Kirsten]

I wish the GW website would stop changing language when you click certain pages. it used to happen on a Friday night when pre-orders went up, the pages for new stuff were all in German, and now What's New Today is Italian.

[Al Shut]

Someone is taking revenge for loosing the war.

[The_Gonk]

Gah. I'm getting abuse hurled at me because I said that I don't care for Thanksgiving and want irritating yanks to stop bothering me about it. I'm aussie! Why on earth should I have to celebrate your creepy country-specific holiday?!

Canadians also have a Thanksgiving but in October. Other nations also have similar harvest festivals.

Giving someone a hard time about it is definitely pretty off though!

[Mr Mystery]

yeah they get really angsty about thanksgiving in particular for some reason. Maybe because its under attack for being culturally insensitive given that it preceded centuries of genocide against native americans? I recommend trolling them.

Feeling 100% happier about end times now, might even start painting stuff again.

yay inclusivity!

[Deadlift]

Yeah they get really angsty about Thanksgiving in particular for some reason. Maybe because its under attack for being culturally insensitive given that it preceded centuries of genocide against native Americans? I recommend trolling them.

They prefer to be called First Nations, it's obvious why when you think about it.

[Tyrendian]

They prefer to be called First Nations, it's obvious why when you think about it.

unless someone starts to think about the western scientific definition of "Nation", but it's hardly a surprise "our" definition doesn't fit them...

[Mr Mystery]

Aww bums.

Seems I may have found myself in a love triangle, and everyone wants a piece of me.

Time to beat a hasty retreat on all fronts methinks. Totally not worth the fall out.

[Darren Richardson]

in that circumstances Mystery, retreat is the SANEST option of them all....

The crazist is, ah, sharing you if you get my drift ;)

[Mr Mystery]

Indeedy.

Best to save the arseache as much as possible.

[DarkLink]

(Not sure if Sarcastic....................lol)

With daboarder, you never know ;).

[Kirsten]

The craziest is, ah, sharing you if you get my drift ;)

sharing is caring...

[Wolfshade]

sharing is caring...

Unless you are talking about commutable diseases

[Wolfshade]

Saturday I took an alpaca for a walk.

These creatures are awesome, I want three.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

People have heated arguments on the Off-Topic thread? What is this madness?

[Wolfshade]

People who need Alpaca time

[Darren Richardson]

how do you pack an Alpaca?

[Tyrendian]

how do you pack an Alpaca?

Al Dente?

[Wolfshade]

how do you pack an Alpaca?

With appropriate saddlebags, though llamas are a better pack animal, but are much more mean spirited.

[Darren Richardson]

holy cow, just saw this on facebook

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/q87/s720x720/1508014_10204283443138967_782120147043871208_n.jpg ?oh=78136740bc204137a05effb0fdc880b6&oe=550CB33F&__gda__=1427759913_f561d15290159f0c027d976fff1f83c 8

Smaug is bloody HUGE!

[Wolfshade]

Yup, its on the bolswire too

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http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2014/12/breaking-smaug-hes-frakking-huge.html

[Mr Mystery]

Wow!

[40kGamer]

I hope he is not resin.

[Tyrendian]

he is. Now watch Bilbo be not in scale with the rest of the range and the model not all that big after all...

[40kGamer]

he is. Now watch Bilbo be not in scale with the rest of the range and the model not all that big after all...

:( I like resin 'ok' but it is a brittle medium for actual game play. Shame as he could have made an awesome Emperor Dragon in WFB. Now I'll have to decide if he's worth picking up as a display model.

[Mr Mystery]

Yay!

Tunbridge Wells is getting a FLGS!

[Wolfshade]

Yay!

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I walked this alpaca

http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=11940&d=1417462386

[DarkLink]

I wonder if Charles Barkley likes alpacas?

http://news.yahoo.com/why-charles-barkley-supports-ferguson-grand-jury-decision-163736319.html?soc_src=mediacontentstory&soc_trk=tw

[Anthrax ion pusscabe]

Me and a group of mates are preparing for a game of "Star Wars: the roleplaying game" where we just mess around around the time of one of the major conflicts, we are getting given a old rust bucket merchant ship and crew, then we're just gonna do some smuggling or legitimate trading, though there's been talk of trying to find and repair a abandoned separatist battle droid factory and making a nice little empire in the outer rim.
Anyway my character is called m4k7 and looks like this
http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=11943&d=1417488583
I'm going to be a modified astromech with a machine/Gatling gun and a top hat that's a borderline psychopath with edited programming in the form of adio film sound bits of catch phrases and profanity, best bit we've decided my characters the chief of security on the ship.
This is what happens when I get told to creat a "silly" character

[Anthrax ion pusscabe]

Also at a unisystem session over the weekend the other three party members had a really funny death that I avoided by virtue of heading in a different direction alone.
Ok so they where playing as a trio of lumberjacks that absolutely hated trees and anything made from trees, they barely tolerated their wooden axe handles (I was a ninja gnome and had forgot to buy any survival gear unlike the others) and as they traveled down from the mountains they cut down every tree they found (didn't collect the wood just felled the trees) and then as soon as the sun set the three brothers dumb (they had just over human average intelligence when added together) set up their tent, took off their armour and cloths, climbed inside the tent and went to sleep, didn't take turns watching for danger just all slept at once, well they where in the territory of a bastiladon (I think that's what it was) which was very angry at finding its forest half cut down, it ripped apart their tent waking them up, they grabbed their axes and tried to fight it (still naked) first it knocked the most injured unconscious (we'd only just escaped a dungeon we started in) then it killed another in one hit and gored the last to death with its spikes, so they all ended up dead, half eaten and naked somewhere in the mountains, meanwhile I was eating a dinner of eagle eggs and eagle boiled in their own nest, sharpened my knives (a obsession with which I took as a drawback) and had a good nights sleep hidden in a crevice

[DarkLink]

Man, now I wish that R2-D2 shows up with a mini-gun attachment in The Force Awakens

[daboarder]

he is. Now watch Bilbo be not in scale with the rest of the range and the model not all that big after all...

I'm more expecting it to be "while stocks last" and gone in 60 seconds before being sold for $1000 a pop on ebay, convincing GW they under priced it

[Wolfshade]

Well that would be an astute comment. The price of something is someone's willingness to pay it, if people to buy from ebay at inflated prices then clearly it is under priced.

[Mr Mystery]

Yep.

Do wish people would stop stressing about price. It is what it is. You are either willing and able to pay, or you're not.

Me? I'm looking at having to save hard for around 5 years to get a deposit for a flat together, and then 25ish years of paying off a mortgage. Only because renting is ultimately money down the drain.

Beer is up to £3.60 a pint in my local. Pricey, and there are cheaper alternatives, but I like that pub so I pay their asking price. If I didn't, I wouldn't. Not much room for argument there.

[40kGamer]

I'm more expecting it to be "while stocks last" and gone in 60 seconds before being sold for $1000 a pop on ebay, convincing GW they under priced it

LOL funny because this is the most likely scenario.

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Well that would be an astute comment. The price of something is someone's willingness to pay it, if people to buy from ebay at inflated prices then clearly it is under priced.

Gotta account for outliers and supply & demand there mate. Fanatics might pay a ridiculous price but make up a small % of potential customer base. A large print run may lead to people thinking 'I'll just pick it up later' while dancing out the door with some other impulse purchased limited hotness. Luxury goods are walking a tightrope for sure.

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Do wish people would stop stressing about price. It is what it is. You are either willing and able to pay, or you're not.

Don't know if the issue is price or lack of supply creating an artificial environment. If Smaug's truly resin price won't be an issue as those pesky recasters will have a field day with it.

[Kirsten]

well this is pretty bizarre

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/a-long-list-of-sex-acts-just-got-banned-in-uk-porn-9897174.html

[eldargal]

Misogyny basically. It bans women from being dominant or showing pleasure in porn.

[Mr Mystery]

And it's easier than getting Parents to actually monitor and parent their offspring.

Just saw the Suicide Squad casting.

Still laughing.

[Wolfshade]

Gotta account for outliers and supply & demand there mate. Fanatics might pay a ridiculous price but make up a small % of potential customer base. A large print run may lead to people thinking 'I'll just pick it up later' while dancing out the door with some other impulse purchased limited hotness. Luxury goods are walking a tightrope for sure.

The only way that the scalpers will make money is if they are limited edition, in which case we are only talking about a tiny fraction of their customer base anyway so they can gouge the fanatics.

Kirsten - I was going to point a link to that. The most strange part I think is that you can't make it in the uk, but you can buy it in the uk, which just seems wierd.

[Psychosplodge]

Aww bums.

Seems I may have found myself in a love triangle, and everyone wants a piece of me.

Time to beat a hasty retreat on all fronts methinks. Totally not worth the fall out.

Threesome...



well this is pretty bizarre

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/a-long-list-of-sex-acts-just-got-banned-in-uk-porn-9897174.html

That's ridiculous.

[eldargal]

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Lisa Bloom, (Gloria Allred’s daughter) is an attorney, author, CNN legal analyst, and founder of general-practice law firm The Bloom Firm. Let me just tell you it’s nice to see an actual lawyer reading McCulloch and his team for filth. These words aren’t more valuable because she’s a white woman, but it’s certainly heartening to see white allies publicly denouncing that miscarriage of justice.

Y’all should follow her on twitter.

[DarkLink]

Wow, half of those claims are either extremely misleading of factually untrue, if you bother to look throught the witness testimony and other evidence the grand jury released. Plus, apparently she's never been punched in the face before.

[40kGamer]

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4056/4693550472_ffb48d5c99_z.jpg

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Like a lot of hot issues this is a little bit about this actual event and far more about the overall situation.

[eldargal]

Gosh who to believe, the boy on the internet or the practising high profile lawyer with her own legal firm...

Yeah I'm going with the expert.

Edit: I mean call me old fashioned, but I don't think any government department has any business having the ability to kill unarmed citizens with impunity. But funnily enough the notion of government accountability seems out of fashion with most libertarians these days who seem content to ignore government oppression of others so long as they are left to their white, middle class devices.

[Wolfshade]

Is a white middle class device an iphone?

I thought the reason for bear arms was to hold government to accountability?

As with most things the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle, though my impression of solicitiors is at an all time low, well some of them, based on my most recent letter I had from one. I mean if someone was trying to sue me it would be laughable. But ho-hum, found myself an independant witness without having to resort to bribery so hopefully it should all go away soon. Then I can counter claim for emotional distress and 17 belgium buns.

[eldargal]

The right to bear arms is what white Americans get to do to kid themselves into thinking they can stand up to guvmint oppression. But black people who are genuinely oppressed get met with militarised police with automatic weapons and armoured vehicles if they so much as peacefully protest the killing of an unarmed black man by a police officer. Oh and white people get to riot and cause millions of dollars damage because their football team loses or because it is Halloween without a heavy police presence too, funny that.

I doubt the truth is anywhere near the middle, the vast inconsistencies between the police officers account, most eyewitness accounts and most importantly the actual physical evidence indicate his account should be treated with great suspicion. Which is precisely why it should have gone to trial.

[40kGamer]

I thought the reason for bear arms was to hold government to accountability?

Mixed bag this one. Right or wrong, most people bear arms to give them a sense of security in their home. Especially when you live rural and the nearest police help is 20 minutes or more out even when you call. And most who live rural would rather deal with things themselves rather than involve the police as they tend to be more anti authority.

For others it is for sport. Either just a gun enthusiast or a throwback hunter.

Speaking of throwbacks, a small amount of people still belong to citizen militia's. :)

and then there are those who ascribe to Jeffersonian thinking and attach to his quote that
"When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


though my impression of solicitiors is at an all time low

Lawyers of all forms are a blight on society. The law is a necessary evil but too many follow the law with no concern for ethics or morality.

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The right to bear arms is what white Americans get to do to kid themselves into thinking they can stand up to guvmint oppression.

Those with the money, intelligence and influence to potentially use firepower against the government are also intelligent enough to realize that there are safer and more profitable ways to manipulate events. Plus it's not like the government actually runs the country anyhow.

[eldargal]

Of course, but the whole ideological rationale for the right to bear arms is defense against guvmint tyranny. Leaving aside that is a ridiculous premise when the guvmint has the armed forced with highly sophisticated weaponry and armour at its disposal, the only people who really get to benefit from readily available guns are white men and criminals.

[40kGamer]

Of course, but the whole ideological rationale for the right to bear arms is defense against guvmint tyranny.

But it's a nice sentiment and an easy battle cry to rally the ignorant masses. Everyone who manipulates events realizes the power of a simple line of reasoning. Even if that line of reasoning is ultimately flawed it can still yield results.

[Denzark]

11947

[40kGamer]

http://i.imgur.com/SMVaNLK.png

[Kirsten]

genius

building a plastic Panther Ausf A, hurrah.

[Darren Richardson]

Huh, until that final panal I thought he was refering to the UK :p

[DarkLink]

Gosh who to believe, the boy on the internet or the practising high profile lawyer with her own legal firm...

Yeah I'm going with the expert..

Er... you really should go read the grand jury report. Like, Bloom claimed they never asked wilson if Brown had raised his hands. The witness testimonies record his response to that exact question as "no, absolutely no", however. Several other witnesses were asked if Brown raised his hands, and several of them claimed they never saw Brown raise his hands, either. One went as far to say "people keep asking if Brown raised his hands, and no he didn't." The only witness that I found who actually did claim brown raised his hands said this:


Q: You previously testified that you were not present and only heard about the event from others. Did you see Brown raise his hands?

A: yeah, Brown was on his knees begging with his hands in the air and Wilson just walked up and shot him in the head."

She claims that Wilson was not injured, or that his injuries were not possibly serious enough to reflect that he was punched in the face. Photos of Wilson show noticable swelling and redness, and medical records reflect that. Some people, myself included, do not bruise. When I broke my leg, the only noticeable injury was a slightly swollen ankle. And, if you've never been punched in the face before, it hurts but half an hour later it's just going to be a little tender. It's only a lasting injury if you get a concussion or a broken facial bone. So I'm not even sure what angle she was trying to take with those comments, but unless Wilson tripped and fell down some stairs on the way over, he got punched in the face. Which, incidentally, is exactly why his lawyer told him to go to the hospital to ensure there were medical records reflecting this.

Several of her comments are just vague statements like "no one asked him any tough questions". Since they spent 4 hours asking him in detail why he shot Brown, I'm not sure what sort of "tough questions" they left out.

She critisizes Wilson and the police for not testing the gun for fingerprints and for Wilson washing his hands, but ignores that they have DNA evidence of Brown's blood on Wilson's sleeve and all over the inside of his patrol car and that Brown had a gun**** wound to the hand consistant with holding the slide of the gun when it went off.

Some of her criticisms may be valid, but several of them are factually incorrect, some present only a misleading snapshot of the complete picture, and some of them are purely statements of personal opinion rather than a professional analysis of the facts. Between her tweets and the grand jury evidence, Illgo with the grand jury evidence.

[The Girl]

I'm playing the no politics card (http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?480-Rules-of-the-Oubliette) and closing this thread. Feel free to open a new off topic thread... but if these topics and/or malicious posting style show up again I will start issuing bans starting at a week per offense. Take it to PMs or off site. I don't want to see this kind of posting here again.