Valk / Vendetta Basing

[themacdiesel]

Hello,

At a recent, local tourney, a player was "disqualified" from the tournament for having cut his Valk bases down from the ridiculous height they are to 2-4" tall.

Having done something similar, as I can't stand tipping over my models (which I am prone to do because I am clumsy) I thought it worth asking -- does a Valk / Vendetta have to be run on the enormous plastic stalk from G/W unmodified, or can it be run on a shortened stalk?

Traditional skimmer bases have four different height stands, so I've always thought stand height was "for show, not for go," but curious to hear what others think!

Thanks,
Sean

[Herald of Nurgle]

I believe that, by the rules, only the BASE is required to be the size supplied. It's why Eldar bikes, for example, have so many variations and such. I don't see why someone would be disqualified for such a, quite frankly, bull**** call.

[DarkLink]

It's not like it'd be easy to hide a Valkyrie if it was suddenly 4" shorter. The thing's still frickin' huge.

The organizers would have the right to disqualify the player for something like that, but it's a stupid thing to do it for.

[Lerra]

I agree that it's a BS ruling. If anything, it hurts the Valk/Vendetta player because he is losing some height and is less likely to be able to shoot over terrain. I'd expect most tournaments to allow you to use a shorter base.

[Jwolf]

Significant modification of the stand would qualify as modelling for advantage, so I could see disallowing the model. Disqualifying is somewhat unneccessary.

If this issue comes up at BoLSCon, a judge will be present at the start of each round to inform the opponent that they have the right not to play against the non-standard model(s).

[Lerra]

I'm curious as to what kind of advantage the player is modelling for. You're never going to get a cover save on a model like a Valkyrie. I can't see how else it benefits him to be a few inches shorter. If I was going to model for advantage, I'd make it taller, not shorter.

To the OP: You could always bring a "booster seat" for your 4" tall base so that it's back up to the official height for tournaments.

[themacdiesel]

Thanks for the interpretation Jon.

What would you consider, "significant" in the case of a 5.5-6" tall stand?

Mine currently are 3-4" tall (I went and measured after my first post,) and still allow friendly/enemy models under the wings, under the tail, to reach the base unobstructed by the hull (per the FAQ,)etc...

Appreciate the thoughts and commentary all.

[themacdiesel]

To the OP: You could always bring a "booster seat" for your 4" tall base so that it's back up to the official height for tournaments.

ROFL... I love it.

[Jwolf]

Thanks for the interpretation Jon.

What would you consider, "significant" in the case of a 5.5-6" tall stand?

Mine currently are 3-4" tall (I went and measured after my first post,) and still allow friendly/enemy models under the wings, under the tail, to reach the base unobstructed by the hull (per the FAQ,)etc...

Appreciate the thoughts and commentary all.

If you were playing it such that your opponent was allowed to draw unimpeded LOS to 3" over the top of your Valk, you'd be fine. I guess the best thing to do is never call cover and you're good to go.

Heck, if you just say "This model can be seen anywhere, no cover, and blocks nothing but other Valkyries," I can't imagine anyone caring at all. I'd certainly not pull the model under those circumstances, as a TO, unless there were simply too many irregularities to have them addressed at the start of each game.

[slxiii]

messed up ruling to be sure, but "modelling for advantage" is apparently srs business in our game of plastic men.

[Jwolf]

Modelling for advantage is not as common as dealing with grumpy sore losers who complain they were robbed because of anything they can flail about to blame losing on, including minor things like shorter Valkyrie bases.

As a TO you have to deal with these sorts of issues. It sucks that people can't just relax and play (I know Sean, and he's as likely to "model for advantage" as Mother Teresa would have been to get into a drunken bar fight), but removing any possibilty of tarnishing your game is the safest policy for tournament play.

[GoozzZ]

Also about modelling for advantage. Does valkyrie on it's original stem with troops inside contest an objective? I ask because actually valkyrie hull are about 5" away from objective, but rules says that we need to be in 3" to contest or claim objective. So how you think it must be?

[Jwolf]

If the base of the Valkyrie is within 3", troops inside are able to control the objective. This is answered in the Imperial Guard FAQ. (http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m470041a_FAQ_ImperialGuard_2009.pdf)

[BuFFo]

Also about modelling for advantage. Does valkyrie on it's original stem with troops inside contest an objective? I ask because actually valkyrie hull are about 5" away from objective, but rules says that we need to be in 3" to contest or claim objective. So how you think it must be?

Make sure you Download each Errata update for your armies from the GW site so you can be up to date with the latest Errata changes.

As for your question, common sense tells us to use the base, and this is how it is suggested to be played as in the IG Errata and FAQ. If you and your opponent/gaming group wish to use the hull of the Valk/Vendetta, by all means do so.