Codex Inquisition with Inquisitorial detachment?

[Semaj14]

Im rebuilding my Planetary defense force which I previously used Codex Daemon hunters for (army of henchmen)

Can I use the codex Inquisition as a primary and Add an inquisitorial Detachment to it (led by Counts as corteas to make second group Score as well) for a total of 6 henchmen squads?
OR
Do can I only take Inquisition primary with allied Inquisition only giving myself 4 scoring elites choices?

[unwashed]

I think Codex: Daemon hunters was replaced by Codex: Grey Knights. You can use Grey Knights as primary detachment and add a Inquisitorial detachment. You can also use two Inquisitorial detachments in the same army if you wish, but one must be the army’s primary detachment. You could than use Codex: Grey Knights as allies. ... that is like 3 Coteazs :)

-Unwashed

[Aaron LeClair]

I think Codex: Daemon hunters was replaced by Codex: Grey Knights. You can use Grey Knights as primary detachment and add a Inquisitorial detachment. You can also use two Inquisitorial detachments in the same army if you wish, but one must be the army’s primary detachment. You could than use Codex: Grey Knights as allies. ... that is like 3 Coteazs :)

-Unwashed
Coteaz is unique and you cannot include more then one in your army(rule states army not detachment)
So to get the most out if scouring units you are best using Codex: Grey Knights. With Coteaz As your HQ, and Six Warbands as troops, the a Inquisition Ally for three more. Or even a guard ally for a count as PDF force.

Don't forget if you are playing over 2000 points you can double the force chart too.

[Haighus]

Coteaz is unique and you cannot include more then one in your army(rule states army not detachment)
So to get the most out if scouring units you are best using Codex: Grey Knights. With Coteaz As your HQ, and Six Warbands as troops, the a Inquisition Ally for three more. Or even a guard ally for a count as PDF force.

Don't forget if you are playing over 2000 points you can double the force chart too.
As henchmen warbands are only scoring in a primary Inquisitorial detachment, it would be best to have Inquisitorial primary, with GK allies led by Coteaz for more scoring henchmen, and another Inquisitorial detachment for more, non-scoring (expendable?) henchmen. Either way Coteaz has to be in the GK detachment if you want an all henchman army with no GKs.

[Semaj14]

You can also use two Inquisitorial detachments in the same army if you wish, but one must be the army’s primary detachment.
-Unwashed

This pretty much answered my question. Good to know on the rest of it, Huzahh!
I meant Codex Grey knights :P I cant belive I forgot about that.

[Semaj14]

Ill Probably just stick to a main Inquisition force with attached Inquisitorial Attachment led by corteas for 6 scoring units, if I have to ally it will be to my Salamanders.

[Blood Shadow]

If you take Codex Inquisition as your primary detachment then I don't believe you're allowed to take a second special Inq detachment....as it's normally forbidden to ally with ones own codex. It is possible to include an allied Inq detachment from Codex GK as allies.

If you could then his would allow for a Maximum 5 Inquisitors.....
2 Primary detachment
2 Inq detachment
1 Allied GK Inq (Coteaz)

And 7 IHW, 3 Primary scoring elites, 3 Inq non-scoring IHW elites and 1 elite or 2 troops with Coteaz

BUT...as I don't think you can ally from the same codex (other than codex:SM with different chapter tactics!)

This means you're limited to 3 or 4 Inquisitors:

2 from primary Codex:Inq, 1 from allied GK
or
2 from primary Codex:GK and 2 from allied Inq detachment

However this does get slightly complicated....Coteaz makes ALL IHW in the ARMY Troops, FAQ says they are no longer elites and take up a Troops force org slot, so a max of 6 as GK primary or 2 IHW troops with GK as allies.

The interesting un-FAQ'd thing is Coteaz makes all IHW Troops in your ARMY Troops, if you take Inq primary they have no Troop slots as they must use the special 2x HQ 3x Elite force org chart, so I could see it argued as they don't have troop slots they can't take any IHW?!?

Without Coteaz your 3 IHW Elite slots from Codex: Inq are scoring, but it's not clear whether any allied Elite GK IHW are also scoring as neither does the comment specify that the benefit is ARMY wide or if only applies to the primary Codex: Inq Elite IHW....it just says they are...so you could have 4 scoring Elite IHW as RAW.

It's interesting...

From this I'd say select Coteaz as your Primary from Codex: GK this gives you 6 Troop slots to fill up IHW. Whether people let you ally in a further 3 (up to 9) as scoring troop choices or say you can't pick them as they are now troops is for interesting debate for which the FAQ is wanting....

Taking Codex: Inq as primary would allow for a max of 5 scoring with two allied GK IHW Troop choices......provided the Coteaz deal is fixed....otherwise it could be argued you're only allowed 2x allied Troop slot IHW....

GK Coteaz primary does open up to 3x Storm Ravens and elite slots for Clade Assassins......Codex Inq, get an inferior flyer and no assassins.....

Therefore Coteaz is the only guaranteed way to get >3 scoring IHW without arguments, however >6 IHW is arguable.....

Of course if you take Coteaz in your Inq detachment you lose the "In your ARMY" stipulation, this is replaced with "in the same detachment....". This would mean that Coteaz's 3 Elite IHW are scoring, regardless of whether they're taken as primary or as allies, but if in an allied Inq then there's no way to make the GK primary scoring as he's a unique character......oh boy....

I have a head ache now.....

[Semaj14]

@_@ well thank you for that!
But in the inquisitions allies matrix unlike others whos own factions are blotted out they are battle brothers with the Codex Inquisition.
So I think it may be legal
But then again That is why I posted the question up here. Not 100% :P

[Blood Shadow]

I know it's confusing, in the 6th Ed codex it states it's forbidden, no where in codex: Inq does it say the rule is no longer relevant. I've no idea if the Battle Bros chart is enough to win people over... it simply implies they are battle brothers to other =][=...


If Primary detachment is:

1) Inq you can have 3x scoring IHW

2) GK you need Coteaz to have 6x scoring IHW

That's clear...

If allied:

1) Inq need Coteaz for IHW to be scoring

2) GK you need Coteaz for IHW to be scoring, but he may cause any Inq allied IHW to bwcome illegal.

[davel]

Im rebuilding my Planetary defense force which I previously used Codex Daemon hunters for (army of henchmen)

Can I use the codex Inquisition as a primary and Add an inquisitorial Detachment to it (led by Counts as corteas to make second group Score as well) for a total of 6 henchmen squads?
OR
Do can I only take Inquisition primary with allied Inquisition only giving myself 4 scoring elites choices?
I believe your first option is correct. This part of the book is as clear as mud. The battle brother part seems to indicate you can join two lots of inquisitor org charts together. Though the option of using coteaz in grey knights to crate a list

2 inq charts pro more inquiz, useful priests, loads of transport option. Con no assassins, more reastrictive weapons (power swords not power weapons)
Dave l

[Semaj14]

I must say im really digging all the buffs the priests from codex inquisition doll out to their squads . Which is why already incorperating one in every squad just got a bit sweeter, and why id like to stay away from codex gk
@ Blood Shadow
But when would being battle brothers to your own codex matter if you couldnt ally?
It also lists grey knights and adeptus sororitus... sob, so its not like they are talking about the other inquisition linked codexes there

[SaveModifier]

Yeah, no where is Codex: Inquisition does it stste that you can add an Inquisitiorial Detachment to a Primary Detatchment from Codex: Inquisiton, in fact, the book states that there are two ways to use the Codex, as a Primary Detatchment OR as an Inquisitorial Detatchment, the impliction and indeed, the spirit of this, is that you can't do it, however, as perviously stated, you can either use Grey Knight allies with a Primary Detachement of Inquisitors or you can add an Inquisitorial Detachment to a Grey Knights Primary Detachment

[Aaron LeClair]

Yeah, no where is Codex: Inquisition does it stste that you can add an Inquisitiorial Detachment to a Primary Detatchment from Codex: Inquisiton, in fact, the book states that there are two ways to use the Codex, as a Primary Detatchment OR as an Inquisitorial Detatchment, the impliction and indeed, the spirit of this, is that you can't do it, however, as perviously stated, you can either use Grey Knight allies with a Primary Detachement of Inquisitors or you can add an Inquisitorial Detachment to a Grey Knights Primary Detachment

"“You can include two Inquisitorial detachments in the same army if you wish, but one of these must be the army's primary detachment”

People really need to read what the codex says....

[Semaj14]

so what I want to do is totaly ok then :D right on.

But uh, Just to be clear what page is that bit on that says that exactly?

[DarkLink]

While this is kind of funny, there's really little point in bringing more than two Inquisitors. Coteaz, for double Divination, Acolytes, and reroll Seize, and a Xenos Inquisitor for another Divination power, Servo-skulls, and Rad/Psykotroke grenades. Beyond that, there's little reason to bring more.

Inquisitors are primarily force multipliers. Once you've grabbed your Servo-skulls, Acolytes, and force rerolls on Seize, everything else they do for you is taking a good unit and making it better. But you have to actually have a good unit to make better. Henchmen don't really work for that, they don't really pack the firepower to be worth buffing. And once you've taken a couple of powerful units for the Inquisitors to buff (e.g. Grey Knights), you're going to run out of points before it becomes worth taking five Inquisitors.

[davel]

We'll dark link may be right on the strictly competitive front, but a pure inquiz force is a challenge. Done right it can be a show stopping modeling /painting challenge. I have seen these forces at tournie snot in numbers but often voted as best looking

Still if you are going to invest in such a force then you will want it to work. On top of the 2 mentioned by dark link consider

Ordo Malanus warlord in terminator armour. Least useful warlord trait but only easy access to a invun save.

With nids synaps the anti psyker abilities of ordo heritic may be useful

Though priests mostly solve this issue inquisitor ld and stubborn solve the low ld of war bands. And all can be given divination easily.

Dave l

[Aaron LeClair]

so what I want to do is totaly ok then :D right on.

But uh, Just to be clear what page is that bit on that says that exactly?

I own the iPad Version.
Chapter 6 'the emperor's will' On the forces of the inquisition page. End of 2nd paragraph of the 'including inquisitors in your army'

[Semaj14]

erm... well here is the army,
1 Commissar (equerry from the imperium to over watch and make sure things are staying All nice and imperial)
Counts as Xenos Inquisitor with rad/spyk grenades and a needle pistol and venom talon
High Deacon Mortos der soul stealer w Stub Revolver and thunder hammer
counts as Corteas
4x squads of Promethian Cultists Armed with *Shotguns*
(Counts as Storm bolters Because shotguns in the 40k universe can take bolter ammo)
2with 3x meltas and 2 with 3x Flamers
1x Squad of Promethian Cultists armed with *Autoguns armed with Depleted uranium rounds*
(Counts as Hot shot lasguns) with 3x plasma
All Promethian Cultist squads have priests with eviscerators
All Promethian Cultist squads have Crusaders for Sgt except the Autogun squad whos sgt just also has an autogun
and finaly a squad of battle psykers led by a bolter equiped overseer "Mr. T"
He pities the heretic and guns them all down when they perils lol
All Squads are mounted in chimeras with heavy flamer turrets.

And that's the army. Its not meant to win tournaments or anything.But Id like to take it to some because its always awesome seeing other nicely painted/ interestingly modeled armies. Its a planetary defense force that's having their mettle tested off planet so they will be able to defend nocturne from whatever horrors come their way while the salamanders are away.
Even when I did take them using the grey knights army the only units I would ever use to support them would be dreadnoughts and now perhaps Storm ravens from the salamanders chapter.
Its largely a fluffy and fun army. No one expects squishy humans to run into assault like these guys do. They make for fun stories. Especially when they come out on top.

Uh, a little off topic I suppose But what do you all make of the list?

[Blood Shadow]

I own the iPad Version.
Chapter 6 'the emperor's will' On the forces of the inquisition page. End of 2nd paragraph of the 'including inquisitors in your army'

It's worth noting I've used the ebook version and I can't find any reference to this comment, so if someone with the ebook version knows where it is I'd appreciate it....

....As for who wants to run an army representing a conclave of Inquisitors....well I do!! And nobody expects anything less than a conclave of Inquisitors!!!!

[unwashed]

If you take Codex Inquisition as your primary detachment then I don't believe you're allowed to take a second special Inq detachment....as it's normally forbidden to ally with ones own codex. It is possible to include an allied Inq detachment from Codex GK as allies.

Codex: Inquisition under Including Inquisitors in your army, it explicitly says you can.

"When you choose an army, Inquisitors may be taken as a primary detachment or as a special form of allied detachment known as an Inquisitorial detachment."

"You can include two Inquisitorial detachments in the same army if you wish, but one of these must be the army’s primary detachment."

-Unwashed
P.s I was totally joking about Coteazs yes he is a unique.

[gwensdad]

I've heard there are at least 2 versions of the codex out there, and I'm starting to think this is one of the differences between the 2.