40K "Not 7th" Boxed Set Details

[Bigred]

via BoLS 1-27-2014


Launch Window - @September
Rules Summary: Updated Mini-rulebook contains FAQs, minor tweaks and clarifications, and much of Stronghold Assault rolled into a new shiny package.
Miniatures included: @70
Armies:
Blood Angels (plastic quick assembly)
- Assault Marine Squad
- Tactical Marine Squad
- Death Company Squad
- Captain (kitted out for assault)
- Chaplain
- Sanguinary Priest (limited edition, similar to the Dark Vengeance mini was)

Orks (plastic quick assembly)
- 'Ardboys (full mob)
- Nobs (small squad)
- Warboss
- Big Mek
- Ork themed fortification

This was described as simply an updated Warhammer 40,000 Starter Set and specifically "NOT 7th Edition."

You will note that September falls right smack in the middle of the rumored release slots for Orks (a couple of months before), and Blood Angels (a couple of months after).

On first glance the "not 7th Edition" makes no sense until you go back and read this. (http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2013/12/40k-why-7th-edition-may-never-come.html) This could certainly be the start of GW rolling the "organic living ruleset" for 40K that does away with edition numbers and the sales dips they cause. Instead we would get updated core products such as rulebooks and starter sets from time to time to "bring them up to speed" with all the most current rules additions that have been rolled out in the intervening years.

This rumor comes from high-confidence sources.

~Have at it.

via Faeit (http://natfka.blogspot.com/2014/04/7th-edition-and-starter-set-release.html#more) 4-10-2014


40k 7th edition and the new starter kit Beachhead Stygia. It is small kit, with only five scouts, five blood angels, a commander with jump pack, five meganobs, 10 armoured ork shootas including a nob with two-handed axe and 10 gretchins. There are some destroyed columns, destroyed gothic stone walls and a three-piece stone bridge carried by gargoyles. It has a 96 page book, but only about the half is used for rules including three scenarios. Expert rules like all vehicle-related stuff are omitted completely. There are a handful of dice, a ruler, but no blast markers.

At the same time, there will be a new starter painting kit with 10 snapfit miniatures that will bring the tactical marines from the starter box to a full squad size and gives the ork player 5 additional boyz. It has a 48 page booklet with additional scenarios and hobby guides, brushes, basing sand and glue.

via BoLS 5-9-2014

Blood Angels (suitably bedazzled)
- Brother-Captain w/JumpPack
- Tactical Squad (10)
- Assault Squad (5)
- Terminator Squad (5)
- Dreadnaught with Autocannon and Multi Melta

- Limited Edition: Sanguinary Priest

Orks
- Warboss
- Weirdboy
- Shoota Boyz Mob (10 or 20, conflicting reports)
- Slugga Boyz Mob (10 or 20, conflicting reports)
- Kommandoz Mob (5)
- Mega-nobz Mob (5)


Extras
- "Orkified" Aegis Defense Line (no gun)
- Misc. small Objectives
Dont be surprised to see the starter paint set change to Blood Angels.

This rumor comes from above average sources.


Or maybe it's not Blood Angels:

via one of Gary's dudes (http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Faeit212/~3/x-BMdWHn6po/7th-edition-starter-set-is-here.html): 7-5-2014

White Dwarf issue 24 has a Space Wolves vs Orks box set in it.
The cover has Space Wolves on it, and the exact quotations are Space Wolves vs Orks Boxed Set: Stormclaw.

Latest Sanctrus Reach image via Nicholas at The Mexican Ork: (https://www.facebook.com/mexork?ref=br_tf) 7-5-2014

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[eldargal]

Orks vs Marines, boring.

[Wildeybeast]

So is the living rule book thing just for 40k or is Warhammer going that way too?

[Deadlift]

Orktober it is then ;)

[korgüll]

A new Starter Set without a psyker?
Sry, amounts of salt must be taken...

[Wolfshade]

Orks vs Marines, boring.

Orks vs Marines Brilliant :p

Lets see, do I have Orks? Yes
Do I have Marines? Yes

70 for all that gubbins

Oh yes x17 :)

[eldargal]

It's just kind of, well, unoriginal:

2nd edition set: Marines vs Orks
3rd edition set: Marines vs Dark Eldar
4th edition set: Marines vs Tyranids
5th edition set: Marines vs Orks
6th edition set: Marines vs Marines + Squishy humans
6th edition set II: Marines vs Orks

I mean I get the need for Marines as the poster Mary Sues for 40k and everything, but there are four 'antagonist' armies that have never seen the inside of a boxed set (Tau, Eldar, Daemons, Necrons) but apparently he prevailing logic, at least in the community, is that the people starter sets are aimed at are too bloody stupid to figure out how to play with something that isn't T4.
I also have a sneaky suspicion the 'Ork themed fortification' will have everyone looking forward to some kind of ork fort a la Gorkamorka but in plastic and instead we will get an Orkified aegis line.:rolleyes:

Of course I'll still bloody buy the box anyway because I always do.

[Wolfshade]

Yes, that was what I was thinking,

The 4th war for armageddon?

[pgarfunkle]

Internet Rumour: There'll be a new starter set for 40K 6th Mark 2.
Me: Yep not really interested, but good luck with that.
Internet Rumour: It will be Blood Angels in the box.
Me: ...... well played GW, well played.

[bluepillredpill]

As I said on the news article regarding this, given the rumor about new chaos marine packs coming based on the DV starter set this does sound feasible that the starter could be changed out

[phoenix01]

2nd edition set: Marines vs Orks
3rd edition set: Marines vs Dark Eldar
4th edition set: Marines vs Tyranids
5th edition set: Marines vs Orks
6th edition set: Marines vs Marines + Squishy humans
6th edition set II: Marines vs Orks

I mean I get the need for Marines as the poster Mary Sues for 40k and everything, but there are four 'antagonist' armies that have never seen the inside of a boxed set (Tau, Eldar, Daemons, Necrons) but apparently he prevailing logic, at least in the community, is that the people starter sets are aimed at are too bloody stupid to figure out how to play with something that isn't T4.

Some of the armies out there are unlikely to ever see in the starter box. Let's look at twelveyear old Little Timmy and his dad. They've never heard of Games Workshop before today. They come into their local GW store and Little Timmy, who is a big Science Fiction fan, wants to know "Who are the 'Good Guys' and who are the 'Bad Guys'?" Now, with Space Marines the simple answer for the newbie like Little Timmy is, "The Space Marines are the 'Good Guys'; kind of like intergalactic knights." But what about the Tau and the Eldar? If they were the opponents in the starter box to the "Good Guy" Space Marines, that would make them the "Bad Guys" in Little Timmy's mind. Little Timmy won't understand that there are no real "Good Guys". Many would argue that the Tau and Eldar aren't evil (they don't look evil), so Little Timmy gets confused. He bigins to lose interest. So, while the Dark Eldar are always an option for a starter box, their "Good Guy" cousins are too good for their own good so to speak. Same as for the Tau.

What about Daemons? Well remember, Little Timmy's dad is going to be footing the bill for this game. He's ok with Orks ("Goofy green fantasy-like monsters that sound like something out of the Lord of the Rings") or Chaos Marines ("Those Space Marines are green and these are red, sure, whatever") or Tyranids ("Monster bugs, kind of cool, like in the movie Aliens"), but Daemons are just too evil ("Demons? Like from Hell? Let's go Little Timmy. I'll buy you a new X-Box One game"). As far as Necrons, they are a difficult choice for a first army. I mean they are cool and all, but cold and impersonal for a new player with which to identify.

[FireHazard]

This rumour pleases me.

[DrLove42]

Once again i'll be buying this...mostly for the rule book. Sell the marines and maybe keep the Orks....just to paint cos i like Orks

[ElectricPaladin]

I am totally buying this. Let's see...

• I have one tactical squad. Do I want a second one? YES.
• I have one jump assault squad and one foot assault squad. Do I want a second of either? YES.
• Have many sanguinary priests, but would I enjoy a neat, specially sculpted fourth? YES.
• My captain has a highly idiosyncratic loadout. Would it be good to get a more "generic" one to insulate me against some radical change in the codex? YES.
• I have ten Death Company with jump packs. Could I use a second squad to assemble on foot? YES.

I have already arranged with a local Ork player to split the box if/when it comes out.

[spagunk]

I'd be interested to know how much is changed in the rulebook on whether or not to keep it or sell it along with the Orks. I paid my 75 for the friggin tome, I'm not going to replace it that quickly. :mad:

[Cpt Codpiece]

oh right on time for me to pick up my blood angels again :) hopefully by then FW wont be onto dark angels.... then i dont know what to do.... hitting mid 30s, i think A) id not get much for my spare kidney B) things are slowing down.... i may need that damn kidney C) just when i should be starting to think about the fat guy in red for the little one too :(

[LibertineIX]

Escalation league started at my local GW so I decided to use my BAs again and now that I am on this wave, I am quite happy.

However, I do wish there was something other than Space Marines featured in this, maybe IG? It might force people to use IG in a fluffy manner, with thousands of troops not tanks, and maybe have the opposite end appear to be elite underdogs.

[Power Klawz]

Orks vs Marines, boring.

You mean AMAZING I think.

[Baneblade]

As phoenix said regarding demons is true. Poor little Timmy cannot be corrupted by those devil worshipers, so mommy and daddy will not buy. The same is true with Dark Eldar. An entire army built around taking slaves torture so save their own souls. Way too dark and evil for little Timmy. 3rd edition got away with Dark Eldar because it was a new race, and overall a more mature setting. It was before 40k entered the mainstream, thanks to the well received Dawn of War series. It was also the era with the Juan Deiz demon sculpts.

Although with the recent Dark Elf release and the Medusa monster with a bare breast I was actually surprised. I had thought GW would not release such an "adult" with nudity again. Maybe GW will reign in on the over the top Mary Sue fluff and take a more mature look at their material again. After all the subject material is not exactly kid friendly. It is a game where genocide, xenophobia and other dark themes are the norm. A little less Monty Python Spanish Inquisition and Draigo, and more of 3rd edition themes may return to the game in the near future.

[Power Klawz]

Not really understanding the "Little Timmy" diatribe in this thread. I don't think there's ever been such a target consumer. My friends and I started playing around the age of 12 to 13, but we were all very intelligent and imaginative children who could understand the more "adult" themes of the 40k universe, in fact the complexity of the narrative was what really drew me into the hobby in the first place.

I think you're failing to give children and young adults due credit. Not every parent is a bible thumping zealot and not every child is obsessed with simplistic hero tropes. Sure flashy paint jobs and "cool" minis are going to attract younger children more than boring or staid sculpts, but lets be honest here: they're going to attract more adults as well so there's really no functional distinction.

I've always understood that 40k stopped short of describing the true atrocity of war in its fiction but I've always felt that this was an aesthetic choice as opposed to a marketing decision. You cannot truly exalt in the glory of planetary war when you have to keep in mind the real implications of genocide, cultural destruction, rape and desperation. You emphasize the heroic or villainous nature of the main players, the valiant last stands amid a hail of bullets and screaming, bestial monsters. You might even touch on the effects all out war have on society on a macro level, but very seldom has GW ever truly delved into the interpersonal effects of war or taken the perspective of anything less than a heroic personae.

I guess snake-boob monsters are a bit avant guard and I'm sure I can find grounds to object to them on principal, but I really don't see them as an indicator of a higher "maturity" level for the game at large. I mean putting boobs on a snake woman isn't what immediately springs to mind when I think of maturity.

[Lord-Boofhead]

Not really understanding the "Little Timmy" diatribe in this thread.

Stop trying to apply logic to anti GW trolls and you'll be much better off.

GW has been 'dumbing it down/censoring the grimdark for "the Kids" ' for ages acording to some folks totally ignoring the fact that Morathi has had her tits out for a good 10 years now...

[Cpt Codpiece]

there is a definite soft touch when it comes to both slaanesh and tzentch and their practices since the 1990s.

just read "wrath of kharn" by bill king. true descriptions of slaanesh cultists with phallic head dresses and tentacle appendage whips.

tzeentch on the other hand was always seen as the corrupter, and rampant mutation was common the juan diaz horrors while detracting from the original pink and blue horrors/flamers, they were actually terrifying if you took the idea behind their story, protean forms of mouths and grasping arms uttering multitudes of lies and half truths while prismatic beams/flames riddle anything in sight.

now they are very basic tickle monsters again, though they have tried to revitalize the horror aspect again.

dark eldar and demonettes are very much lacking of breasts for no apparent reason. its in the fluff just not the model (though with clever paint it can be done with the eldar), while i do agree that breasts do not make an auto 'mature' stamp i think the whole lack of them on models when its such a major part of the story is rather immature knee jerk reaction to appease parents of younger players.
also a fact that it has little impact on WFB as it is seen as the more mature game.

[deinol]

I suspect it is far less of a "little timmy" factor and far more of a popularity factor. The two factions in the core set need to be popular enough that people will want to buy them. GW has to have numbers that tell them which armies have long lasting sales. Which is why there are so many marine armies to choose from.

[eldargal]

Stop trying to apply logic to anti GW trolls and you'll be much better off.

GW has been 'dumbing it down/censoring the grimdark for "the Kids" ' for ages acording to some folks totally ignoring the fact that Morathi has had her tits out for a good 10 years now...

Not to mention that in most such arguments the notion of making it 'kiddy friendly' means 'not slapping breasts' on thing, like pandering to the male gaze by slapping bare breasts on anything that can justify having them is somehow mature. Would 40k be more 'mature' if all the DE wyches had their breasts out? No, it would just be sleazy like three quarters of the other miniature ranges out there.

[Mr Mystery]

Warhammer 40,000, dumbed down and kiddy friendly, featuring as it does genocide, religious fanaticism, fascistic governments, daemonic corruption, extreme xenohphobia, all wrapped up in a nihilistic 'there are no good guys' parcel.

And you really think the odd pair of dirty pillows is going to put parents off? Really? Really really? Really really really really??

[Rev. Tiberius Jackhammer]

Hmm. On a personal level, I dislike it when someone tries to sell me a product based on sex appeal. While the concept of the crazed nude warrior has potential to be pretty kickass, it's been a bit overused to try and sell "lookit dese knockers". Personally, I'm quite a fan of the current selection of Wyches (especially Lilith), for finding a happy medium.

I do prefer the metal Daemonettes over the current selection, although half of that's simply their more acrobatic poses (although the uncanny-valley factor of the six-breasted ones worked pretty well). I'd be all over them on the aftermarket if their prices weren't murder.

[Mr Mystery]

Hmm. On a personal level, I dislike it when someone tries to sell me a product based on sex appeal. While the concept of the crazed nude warrior has potential to be pretty kickass, it's been a bit overused to try and sell "lookit dese knockers". Personally, I'm quite a fan of the current selection of Wyches (especially Lilith), for finding a happy medium.

I do prefer the metal Daemonettes over the current selection, although half of that's simply their more acrobatic poses (although the uncanny-valley factor of the six-breasted ones worked pretty well). I'd be all over them on the aftermarket if their prices weren't murder.

'Appens I know a man who has 30 of them knock(er)ing about, unpainted, and unwanted.

Spiv? Moi?

[spaceman91]

And you really think the odd pair of dirty pillows is going to put parents off? Really? Really really? Really really really really??

That is by far the best way I have ever heard to describe breasts.

[Psychosplodge]

It's good, but I'm rather fond of breasticles.

[Mr Mystery]

Devil's Dumplings for me.

[Deadlift]

Hmm. On a personal level, I dislike it when someone tries to sell me a product based on sex appeal.

Thats pretty much everything :P

[ElectricPaladin]

I don't dislike something being sold with sex appeal, but it bothers me because I want my hobby to be inclusive, and I know there are straight women and gay men who might be totally awesome to play with, but decided to spend their money somewhere else because they looked at the art for my wargame and said "Eh... it's just a tits out game for straight guys." At the very least, if you must have tits, make it an equal opportunity titillation game. We are all secure enough in our sexualities that we can look at a few tight butts and muscular chests if it means having a game environment that is welcoming and open to all kinds of players.

[Psychosplodge]

Yeah, I can't see where anyone would really object to that.

[Mr Mystery]

I'm still amused/bemused in equal measure that some feel a lack of al fresco funbags and lady gardens makes a game non-adult/mature.

[ElectricPaladin]

Yeah, I can't see where anyone would really object to that.

At least not anyone who really counts. I'm sick and tired of my hobby being dictated by the towering insecurities of some premodern troglodytes.

[Psychosplodge]

sorry I wasn't been sarcastic that time.
I quite liked the old daemonettes, and i'm certainly not going to object to bare chested warriors,
1. it's in theme.
2. if it gets me the occasional tastefully done like said daemonettes female semi nudity... shrugs

[ElectricPaladin]

sorry I wasn't been sarcastic that time.

Ah, the perils of text-only communication...

Clearly, I don't see any good reasons for anyone to object, either!

[Wildeybeast]

I don't dislike I know there are straight women and gay men who might be totally awesome to play with.

Phrasing. :D

[Lord-Boofhead]

We are all secure enough in our sexualities that we can look at a few tight butts and muscular chests if it means having a game environment that is welcoming and open to all kinds of players.

You mean like Chaos Marauders, Catachans and House Goliath Gangers from Necromunda?

[Lord-Boofhead]

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'Not Beefcake'...

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Wearing less clothes than most Witch elves but totally not beefcake...

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And these guys? These guys look like Lord Hummongus on his way to a Gay Pride march!

[Gotthammer]

Wearing less clothes than most Witch elves but totally not beefcake...

No, they're not - it's not just about clothing (or lack thereof), but how the subject is presented.

Beefcake:

http://31.media.tumblr.com/db98dac2867b04176c50388b57ee5725/tumblr_mjhff3pvyC1r8j1j3o1_250.gif

http://24.media.tumblr.com/919165b7505b8738b51a9fefe013f0b5/tumblr_mjhff3pvyC1r8j1j3o4_250.gif

http://25.media.tumblr.com/478ebc46390ac52b3cecb8f2c5fead49/tumblr_mjhff3pvyC1r8j1j3o2_250.gif


Not beefcake:

http://i2.cdnds.net/13/17/618x410/movies-thor-the-dark-world_2.jpg

Still a very attractive guy, but he's not there in that picture for sex appeal as a great many female minis are.

Also this comparison is very important (http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/2013/08/22/hugh-jackman-for-men-vs-hugh-jackman-for-women/).

[Lord-Boofhead]

Your argument makes no sense.

You say "it's not just about clothing (or lack thereof), but how the subject is presented."

And then back that up with helms worth with his shirt off is beefcake and Helmsworth in full Thor regalia isn't beefcake, thus contradicting your self...

[eldargal]

No, she doesn't contradict herself and the argument makes perfect sense. You just fail to understand the argument. Hint: It's about context and the way things are depicted. It is quite possible to have someone with their top off depicted in a way which is not beefcake, by not having the camera lingering on his body and so forth. With models there are other factors.

[Lord-Boofhead]

I do get that just that a better way would have been to use two shots of the same person with their shirt off in both a sexy and non sexy way.

Also your definition rules out witch elves and Daemonettes as cheesecake.

Which was sort of my point if my examples are beefcake the Witch Elves and Daemonettes aren't cheese cake.

Also if you want examples of Cheesecake and beef cake go look at Kingdom Death then tell me GW's figs are 'sexy'...

[eldargal]

Well I wouldn't say the daemonettes or Witch Elves are cheese cake-y either, beats me why everyone seems to want to slap some naked breasts on them and make them more cheese cake-y in the name of 'maturity'.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

So much of this stuff is in the poses. If Witch Elves were all in "tee hee!" Sexy Poses then they'd be cheesecakey. They're not. They're running around cutting throats, snarling and scowling. They're not wearing much, but they're definitely also not just sculpted for the male gaze.

Daemonettes are freaky.

The one thing I would want to see from GW in future - the one thing! - is more female sculpts. Any (non-Sisters) female imperials at all would be a godsend. As it is, I'm scouting around through other companies' ranges for my Inquisitorial Warband.

[eldargal]

Agreed. GW actually has a good record on this, most of their female sculpts are not ridiculously sexualised or if they are it is in keeping with the character of the sculpt (Escher being punk girl gangsters, Witch Elves being psychotic zealots etc) and the poses do not undermine this by putting them more on display. You look at more recent offerings like the Mirkwood rangers and the Sisters of Avelorn and they are well covered and completely badass looking. In contrast the vast majority of other model ranges use female sculpts really just to boost the sex appeal of the game. GW could do a LOT better in terms of quantity of female sculpts (even just to match their own written material) the quality of representation (beyond just sculpt quality) is hard to beat.

[spagunk]

This conversation:

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[Lord-Boofhead]

The one thing I would want to see from GW in future - the one thing! - is more female sculpts. Any (non-Sisters) female imperials at all would be a godsend. As it is, I'm scouting around through other companies' ranges for my Inquisitorial Warband.

Yeah I was disapointed thet the Kurganovas ended up being more Cadian than the Vallahalian style officers suggested.

I need Valhallen ladies for my 579th Valhallans...

[Lord-Boofhead]

Damn it FW we want female IG how hard is that?

[deinol]

Damn it FW we want female IG how hard is that?

This.

[bubbles15]

The other possible alternative is Imperial Guard against Orks. Eldar are problematic as they're 'good', Daemons are a no no, Tau just too human. To sell, the models have to be demonstrably, obviously humans vs Aliens and Space Marines are synonymous with Games Workshop IP.

[Veteran Sergeant]

Damn it FW we want female IG how hard is that?Probably runs into the issues of scaling.

The problem that most conveters have when trying to make female IGuard is that the weapons end up looking ridiculously huge. And that says something since the weapons in 40K are always ridiculously huge.

So you have to end up exagerrating all of the proportions in order for them to look like girls and still not look like they are too impossibly frail to be carrying the weapons they have.

http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2009/8/20/48801-Cadians,%20Female,%20Imperial%20Guard.jpg
or
http://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/at/2012/5/5/28ea9e36fdb4f402e8bb047df51a7910_57822.jpg__thumb


I'd imagine GW have done female trooper test-sculpts in the past and just not been terribly happy with the results. You can see the only decent looking one is the Tanith sculpt, and that's because she's carrying a cut-down lasgun carbine. The rest are pretty cheesy looking, with skirts, and tank tops and tights. The only other one that fits into the IGuard aesthetic is the Catachan one, but that's just because the entire Catachan aesthetic is awful already, lol.
https://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/tg/image/1365/61/1365616403948.jpg

[Cpt Codpiece]

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'Not Beefcake'...

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Wearing less clothes than most Witch elves but totally not beefcake...

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And these guys? These guys look like Lord Hummongus on his way to a Gay Pride march!

i have to say, those house goliaths..... while in bondage gear (it was their fluff.... tight strapped muscle heads) the models should really not be used in any way to judge GW sculpts for ANY reason..... as they were sculpted by the dreaded Gary 'nagash the circus clown' Morley, the same 'sculptor' who was responsible for the crimes and almost canning of dark eldar....

having said that, the ones in metal, were actually quite well proportioned (half of that pic is the plastics from core game). (yes i had a goliath gang back in the day.... but van sar were my main dudes :))

[Skychaser]

i would go for some form of space marines against orks as they are rumored for June which could fit into the release of the box

[MajorWesJanson]

Probably runs into the issues of scaling.

The problem that most conveters have when trying to make female IGuard is that the weapons end up looking ridiculously huge. And that says something since the weapons in 40K are always ridiculously huge.

So you have to end up exagerrating all of the proportions in order for them to look like girls and still not look like they are too impossibly frail to be carrying the weapons they have.


Why not make a set of say female Elysians, with and without the helmets. They have the much smaller accatran pattern lasguns. And the more proportionate forms of the Elysians would allow for more feminine body shapes to be apparent without over-exaggeration.

[ElectricPaladin]

I really don't think that it would be hard to appropriately scale tiny ladies. Infinity and Warhammer Fantasy are chock full of tiny ladies, many of them wearing quite realistic body armor and toting realistic weapons. Additionally, have you ever seen a female soldier? They don't look terribly feminine in their combat armor, and that's fine.

All that you'd need to do with female IG is make the hips a little broader. All but the humungousest of breasts would be pretty much hidden by body armor - something that keeps on killing America's female soldiers is that our government has dragged its feet about developing body armor that accommodates breasts, though it wouldn't be hard to do - and then have female heads. But let's face it - female IG troopers aren't going to be wasp-wasted girls with big butts and long flowing hair. Even if you have that body type to begin with, I am given to believe that military training tends to slim you down and put muscles in various places. They are going to be tough and muscular, built for strength and durability.

[Mud Duck]

Why not make a set of say female Elysians, with and without the helmets. They have the much smaller accatran pattern lasguns. And the more proportionate forms of the Elysians would allow for more feminine body shapes to be apparent without over-exaggeration.

I'd even go farther and have Forge World look through Fanasy Flight's 'Only War' and produce models based on the the art work. Say a pack of five per unit/planet, it would be like printing money!

[Archon Charybdis]

there is a definite soft touch when it comes to both slaanesh and tzentch and their practices since the 1990s.

just read "wrath of kharn" by bill king. true descriptions of slaanesh cultists with phallic head dresses and tentacle appendage whips.

I wouldn't call disregarding those elements using a soft touch, those are just bad ideas. It's gratuitous and frankly stupid--it sounds like a 10 year old's conception of evil and sexuality.

[Cpt Codpiece]

I wouldn't call disregarding those elements using a soft touch, those are just bad ideas. It's gratuitous and frankly stupid--it sounds like a 10 year old's conception of evil and sexuality.

not at all, what is immature about having swords/whips/helms made from living appendages if you are a worshipper of the pleasure god? the god of all debauchery? what do we have now for slaanesh? one boobed punk lobsters with no noses! and marines get what? not even guitars... no they are just random musical instruments...... where are the sensationalist madmen depicted in the stories? where are the lustful bladesmen that lucius hails from.... who desire the touch of the blade as much for its pain and pleasure as the mastery of the weapon and the expert kill?

i find the tame high street (anne summers style) light bondage gear more immature than the disturbing OTT that the old stuff invoked, what is lustful or excessive about a half balcony basque when you can walk down the main shopping streets and see it in the windows on a model? give me amputated hands with living appendages, throbbing swollen orificia in random places.... that's disturbing and very much in the story lines of slaanesh.

the hobby is supposed to be a young adult+ game..... im sure most 14 year olds have seen more raunchy stuff than we currently have for slaanesh in music videos.... (looking at you cyrus wench and gaga).

[MajorWesJanson]

I'd even go farther and have Forge World look through Fanasy Flight's 'Only War' and produce models based on the the art work. Say a pack of five per unit/planet, it would be like printing money!

Agreed. Start with Elysians and Vostroyians. And I would love to see some of the pics of the female primaris psyker get made into models.

Advisors would be a good place to add female models as well, as they are advisors, not part of the regiment- techpriests, missionaries, commissars, officers of the fleet, astropaths, primaris psykers, FFG has done great art for female versions of all of those options.

[eldargal]

Sadly I doubt it will happen, FWs standard response to talk of female IG is 'women are invisible at 28mm scale'.

[daboarder]

Sadly I doubt it will happen, FWs standard response to talk of female IG is 'women are invisible at 28mm scale'.

It's alright eldargal, we all know they are dinosaurs

[John Bower]

Sadly I doubt it will happen, FWs standard response to talk of female IG is 'women are invisible at 28mm scale'.

Actually they are pretty right on that, if you think about it, watch the Trooping of the colour one day; not the close up stuff but the angle we are looking at it on the tabletop, you know the crane cameras, and you tell me which of those guard are girls and which are men. You can't, not from that angle. The problem is when they do girls (various companies) the breasts are exaggerated to somewhere in the region of JJ cups. When was the last time you saw an Amazon miniature with more standard D cup mammaries? You only have to look at the DE for that, again the breasts really are oversized to the model. All they really need are some heads with no helmets that have long hair. Breasts would be hidden under the armour. Not so much Catachans, they could use proper female minis due to all looking like either Rambo or Aliens USCM's.

[eldargal]

No, they aren't. They are completely wrong and it's just a cover for indifference and laziness. If you think men and women look identical at 28mm scale you are blind. Camera angles at Trooping of the Colour are irrelevant, you can't reach into the television, pick up a guardswoman and rotate her and have a close look at her face. Womens appearance is not a spectrum running from 'Men' to 'JJ cupped stripper'.

Women have a narrower waist and shoulders, wider chest and thighs, longer upper bit thinner upper arms and considerably less heavy set faces. All of these would be visible even in appropriately fitted armour at 28mm scale. Even the faces. Look at a Cadian trooper and tell me that face could pass for a womans and I will call you a liar.

[spagunk]

Along with eldargal's post, I would also point out that anyone saying they can't do 28mm female figures may be passing along a bias they inherited from previous sculptors. What they should say is "It's really really hard for me to do female minis because I haven't spent time trying" rather than say it is not possible. However the "no girls allowed/old boys club" thing is still rampant in the industry so keep that in mind.

[Carlill]

Women are dinosaurs at 28mm scale?

[bfmusashi]

Whatever gets me more dinosaurs.

[mearn4d10]

I don't dislike something being sold with sex appeal, but it bothers me because I want my hobby to be inclusive, and I know there are straight women and gay men who might be totally awesome to play with, but decided to spend their money somewhere else because they looked at the art for my wargame and said "Eh... it's just a tits out game for straight guys." At the very least, if you must have tits, make it an equal opportunity titillation game. We are all secure enough in our sexualities that we can look at a few tight butts and muscular chests if it means having a game environment that is welcoming and open to all kinds of players.


So, Catachans, then? ;)

[Denzark]

Actually they are pretty right on that, if you think about it, watch the Trooping of the colour one day; not the close up stuff but the angle we are looking at it on the tabletop, you know the crane cameras, and you tell me which of those guard are girls and which are men. You can't, not from that angle. The problem is when they do girls (various companies) the breasts are exaggerated to somewhere in the region of JJ cups. When was the last time you saw an Amazon miniature with more standard D cup mammaries? You only have to look at the DE for that, again the breasts really are oversized to the model. All they really need are some heads with no helmets that have long hair. Breasts would be hidden under the armour. Not so much Catachans, they could use proper female minis due to all looking like either Rambo or Aliens USCM's.

I can tell you. I absolutely 100% can tell you. All Guards Battalions in the UK are infantry. Therefore, there are absolutely 0% of women guards on those parades.

I can tell you that even without seeing the parade on TV.

[daboarder]

is this where john has a personal revelation?

[eldargal]

I can tell you. I absolutely 100% can tell you. All Guards Battalions in the UK are infantry. Therefore, there are absolutely 0% of women guards on those parades.

I can tell you that even without seeing the parade on TV.

I did wonder about that, thought he must have meant something else or some strange and arcane foreign or Canadian Trooping of the Colour.

[Gleipnir]

Direct Order Sprues for female body types, large body types, shorter body types, more unhelmed looks would all be nice for adding some diversity to the meatgrinder grunts, but alot of third parties are already doing some nice versions for less than what GW would likely charge.

[Lord-Boofhead]

Direct Order Sprues for female body types, large body types, shorter body types, more unhelmed looks would all be nice for adding some diversity to the meatgrinder grunts, but alot of third parties are already doing some nice versions for less than what GW would likely charge.

Yeah and they don't even need to be Boobs McGee, Only War is full of Female IG that aren't pin up models.

I'd buy them I already own every female IG GW ever made...

[jonsgot]

Yeah and they don't even need to be Boobs McGee, Only War is full of Female IG that aren't pin up models.

I'd buy them I already own every female IG GW ever made...

That must be a big collection cough. Some more fat guard would be good. I'd mention we're off topic, but I'm nit sure you can be off a not something topic.

[John Bower]

I can tell you. I absolutely 100% can tell you. All Guards Battalions in the UK are infantry. Therefore, there are absolutely 0% of women guards on those parades.

I can tell you that even without seeing the parade on TV.

And I can call you out on that, because in more than one close up I've seen female guards on parade the TotC, :p

[Denzark]

And I can call you out on that, because in more than one close up I've seen female guards on parade the TotC, :p

Umm, no you can't. 'Guardsman' is a rank in the British Army which is equivalent to Private - in Britain we have a range of different titles for Privates depending on Regiment. Fusilier, Air Trooper, Trooper, Craftsman, Rifleman, Kingsman, and Guardsman. Guardsman is only given to those in the Guards Battalions which make up the Guards Division. The Guards Division, are INFANTRY. In Britain, females are excluded from front line combat roles including INFANTRY.

If you have a look at link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infantry_of_the_British_Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infantry_of_the_British_Army) and scroll down to the paragraph 'Divisions of Infantry' you will see this laid out.

Once you are satisfied that all British Guards units are infantry, please see link to the recruiting page: https://www.army.mod.uk/rolefinder/role/83/infantry-soldier/

Where you will note that a requirement is that you are male.

As such you are really not calling me out. If you like, put a picture up if you can actually find one, no doubt any women will be from other regiments - but not The Guards.

[Bigred]

via Faeit (http://natfka.blogspot.com/2014/04/7th-edition-and-starter-set-release.html#more) 4-10-2014


40k 7th edition and the new starter kit Beachhead Stygia. It is small kit, with only five scouts, five blood angels, a commander with jump pack, five meganobs, 10 armoured ork shootas including a nob with two-handed axe and 10 gretchins. There are some destroyed columns, destroyed gothic stone walls and a three-piece stone bridge carried by gargoyles. It has a 96 page book, but only about the half is used for rules including three scenarios. Expert rules like all vehicle-related stuff are omitted completely. There are a handful of dice, a ruler, but no blast markers.

At the same time, there will be a new starter painting kit with 10 snapfit miniatures that will bring the tactical marines from the starter box to a full squad size and gives the ork player 5 additional boyz. It has a 48 page booklet with additional scenarios and hobby guides, brushes, basing sand and glue.

[Erik Setzer]

It has a 96 page book, but only about the half is used for rules including three scenarios. Expert rules like all vehicle-related stuff are omitted completely. There are a handful of dice, a ruler, but no blast markers.

So not really a starter kit for 40K, more like a mini-game using a few 40K rules and some 40K IP figures.

So, assuming that there's going to be an updated rulebook... (And if not, then this is just some way to get the current set with its full rulebook off the market and also try to get new people interested in Orks and Blood Angels, making it more likely BA are coming later in the year.)

It looks like GW took the Hobbit lesson and ran with it even further. "Oh, they're going to buy these kits and get cheap figures *and* the rules to play the game in a convenient format *and* dice and templates? Screw that! We're going to make them have to buy a whole $85 book and a template set as well if they actually want to get into the game. Ha, all those kids buying this set and wanting more, we'll fleece the parents TWICE!"

It's just so... stupid. And the rest of us, to get this "Not 7th" updated version of the rules, just two years after dropping whatever cash we did on the 6th edition, are going to have to buy a huge $85 book to carry around. Bonus, if you bough Escalation, you get to replace that $50 book on top of the rest with a new $85 book.

But it's okay, GW loves us and would never do us wrong, right?

[nathaneal246]

And I can call you out on that, because in more than one close up I've seen female guards on parade the TotC, :p

You shouldn't call anybody out on this subject when you potentially have British squaddies on this website! You have never seen female guards at the TotC!

[Aldavaer]

Just found the following reported on faeit 212 as a rough translation from an anonymous source of the changes to 6th edition, whilst some of the changes make sense, a large helping of NaCl is required.

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
- 7th 40k edition is only a minor update
- 40k run is part of the movement phase
- assault distance is not influenced by terrain, but gives minus two to
initiative
- vector strikes allow armour saves, but deal one to six hits
- 40k uses a percentage system for the army list
- you can bring as many different allies as you want. You can spend a
fourth of your points on allies, but they also count as their normal
category
- you can bring three allies to a game and must choose one
- bikes can strike units in 1” in the movement phase without assaulting
just like chariots, but can attacked back
- fortification and lords of war rules are in, but no profiles
- you have to pass a initiative test to shoot overwatching, get minus three
to ballistic talent
- you can engage new unit after victory in melee, but enemy can shoot
overwatch again
- you can choose to flee if you are charged but can be destroyed
- if you want to run in 12” of enemy you have to pass a leadertest
- vehicles get no cover saves against infantry, only against other vehicles

[ElectricPaladin]

Just found the following reported on faeit 212 as a rough translation from an anonymous source of the changes to 6th edition, whilst some of the changes make sense, a large helping of NaCl is required.

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
- 7th 40k edition is only a minor update
- 40k run is part of the movement phase
- assault distance is not influenced by terrain, but gives minus two to
initiative
- vector strikes allow armour saves, but deal one to six hits
- 40k uses a percentage system for the army list
- you can bring as many different allies as you want. You can spend a
fourth of your points on allies, but they also count as their normal
category
- you can bring three allies to a game and must choose one
- bikes can strike units in 1” in the movement phase without assaulting
just like chariots, but can attacked back
- fortification and lords of war rules are in, but no profiles
- you have to pass a initiative test to shoot overwatching, get minus three
to ballistic talent
- you can engage new unit after victory in melee, but enemy can shoot
overwatch again
- you can choose to flee if you are charged but can be destroyed
- if you want to run in 12” of enemy you have to pass a leadertest
- vehicles get no cover saves against infantry, only against other vehicles

Warhammer Fanta40k...

And I like it.

Assuming it's true, of course.

[Psychosplodge]

so they're re-releasing the second edition boxset with less stuff?

[Defenestratus]

Just found the following reported on faeit 212 as a rough translation from an anonymous source of the changes to 6th edition, whilst some of the changes make sense, a large helping of NaCl is required.

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
- 7th 40k edition is only a minor update
- 40k run is part of the movement phase
- assault distance is not influenced by terrain, but gives minus two to
initiative
- vector strikes allow armour saves, but deal one to six hits
- 40k uses a percentage system for the army list
- you can bring as many different allies as you want. You can spend a
fourth of your points on allies, but they also count as their normal
category
- you can bring three allies to a game and must choose one
- bikes can strike units in 1” in the movement phase without assaulting
just like chariots, but can attacked back
- fortification and lords of war rules are in, but no profiles
- you have to pass a initiative test to shoot overwatching, get minus three
to ballistic talent
- you can engage new unit after victory in melee, but enemy can shoot
overwatch again
- you can choose to flee if you are charged but can be destroyed
- if you want to run in 12” of enemy you have to pass a leadertest
- vehicles get no cover saves against infantry, only against other vehicles

So .. how would Battle Focus work if running is in the movement phase?

So skimmers only get jink saves against other vehicles then? Bollocks.

[White Tiger88]

Hmmm would this not balance the game pretty well? interesting!

[Gleipnir]

So .. how would Battle Focus work if running is in the movement phase?

So skimmers only get jink saves against other vehicles then? Bollocks.

Yeah kinda thought Nafka would have seen wishlist all over this one. Way too many changes to core mechanics released since 6th to even take this one with Salt.

It reads like someone's homebrew houserules

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

I hope the rumour is false personally, as I was hoping the necrons would finally get to be in a starter set.

[White Tiger88]

I hope the rumour is false personally, as I was hoping the necrons would finally get to be in a starter set.

Don't see it happening...... I would LOVE to see Ork vs Nids in a starter....

[Defenestratus]

Yeah kinda thought Nafka would have seen wishlist all over this one. Way too many changes to core mechanics released since 6th to even take this one with Salt.

It reads like someone's homebrew houserules

Seems that the "Vehicles don't get cover saves from infantry" is a bad translation. It means that a vehicle wouldn't get a cover save from a line of troops screening it, only from other vehicles (or presumably buildings). Makes sense.

- - - Updated - - -


assault distance is not influenced by terrain, but gives minus two to
initiative

My banshees like this.

[MajorWesJanson]

Yeah kinda thought Nafka would have seen wishlist all over this one. Way too many changes to core mechanics released since 6th to even take this one with Salt.

It reads like someone's homebrew houserules

You think Nafka cares? It will bring in attention and pageviews. Of course it will be posted.

[ElectricPaladin]

You think Nafka cares? It will bring in attention and pageviews. Of course it will be posted.

In my experience, the best rumor sites try to maintain a reputation for integrity by being at least a little picky.

[MajorWesJanson]

In my experience, the best rumor sites try to maintain a reputation for integrity by being at least a little picky.

True. "The Best rumor sites" is the key phrase there. In my experience, that tends to apply mainly to Warseer, Dakka, and here (mostly). 4Chan is the place to go for leaks though.

[Dave Bone]

Nope.

[Bigred]

Or maybe it's not Blood Angels:

via one of Gary's dudes (http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Faeit212/~3/x-BMdWHn6po/7th-edition-starter-set-is-here.html): 7-5-2014

White Dwarf issue 24 has a Space Wolves vs Orks box set in it.
The cover has Space Wolves on it, and the exact quotations are Space Wolves vs Orks Boxed Set: Stormclaw.

[MajorWesJanson]

Or maybe it's not Blood Angels:

via one of Gary's dudes (http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Faeit212/~3/x-BMdWHn6po/7th-edition-starter-set-is-here.html): 7-5-2014

IF true, I will grab at least one of this. And Space Wolves are cool, so having chapter specific stuff all over the models is not nearly as annoying as it was with Dark Angels.

[woodenronin]

Noooooooo! Whyyyyyyy?

[ElectricPaladin]

Noooooooo! Whyyyyyyy?

Becaaaaaaause GW has no taste and thinks Space Wolves are cool. :D

[woodenronin]

I admit they are cool. But I had my mouth watering for a new BA box set.

[Tomgar]

if true, i will grab at least one of this. And space wolves are cool, so having chapter specific stuff all over the models is not nearly as annoying as it was with dark angels.

vile heresy!

[Mr Mystery]

I admit they are cool. But I had my mouth watering for a new BA box set.

Never trust early rumours :)

[MajorWesJanson]

vile heresy!

And yet it is the Dark Angels who abandon allies to die and kill other Astartes to protect a secret that the Grey Knights and hald the Traitor warbands already know...

[Tomgar]

And yet it is the Dark Angels who abandon allies to die and kill other Astartes to protect a secret that the Grey Knights and hald the Traitor warbands already know...

Don't know what you're on about, only loyalty and veneration of the Emperor here. Sounds like you're spoutin' dirty heretic talk!

[SyntheticBacon]

Those Orks look pretty tasty.

[DrLove42]

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/drlove42/IMG_2374998449839_zpszbhvcivp.jpeg (http://s106.photobucket.com/user/drlove42/media/IMG_2374998449839_zpszbhvcivp.jpeg.html)

Just leave this here....

[Darren Richardson]

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/drlove42/IMG_2374998449839_zpszbhvcivp.jpeg (http://s106.photobucket.com/user/drlove42/media/IMG_2374998449839_zpszbhvcivp.jpeg.html)

Just leave this here....

well that settles all the arguements, it's a new two player box set after all, space puppies versus dOrks :D

[eldargal]

Meh, not overly impressed with the models on the cover, much less interesting than the Dark Angels. Hope the other sculpts are a lot nicer.

[Christopher Convery]

Meh, not overly impressed with the models on the cover, much less interesting than the Dark Angels. Hope the other sculpts are a lot nicer.


You mean that they are not new. The Wolf Guard in the center is a new model and I am assuming is going to be a limited edition release like the terminator captain in the Strike force ultra box. As to the others everything else I've seen pertaining to the space wolves has been the old models released during their 5th edition update.

[Tomgar]

I wish the Space Wolves had normal haircuts... I'd love to collect some since I love Norse mythology but the haircuts are just too goofy.

[daboarder]

[http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/faq.php?faq=termsmaster#faq_termsuse

ahh its always funny to see those who lack the sophistication to appreciate the Renaissance.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

Section Removed by Mod

Space Wolves are great. Why do I not have Space Wolves instead of Ultramarines? I studied the ****ing Vikings.

[eldargal]

You mean that they are not new. The Wolf Guard in the center is a new model and I am assuming is going to be a limited edition release like the terminator captain in the Strike force ultra box. As to the others everything else I've seen pertaining to the space wolves has been the old models released during their 5th edition update.

Whatever, the bunch of them are boring as hell is the point I'm getting at.

Also +1 to Cap'n Smurfs calling out homophobic slurs.

[Thornblood]

So, just from the information we have here (i've re-posted the same pic from before) I would guess that the new character is Krom Dragongaze- a wolflord who may now have rules, but may well be the new 'vanilla' wolf lord kit.

The model looks snap fit with that left leg attached to the cloak, whereas the front pelt, knife front torso, and head are probably one piece together. Theres a metal rim to the right vambrace, which is probably hiding that join, and I rekon that the left arm is one piece that goes on like the chaos chosen/space hulk termies. Also worthy of note is that the base is taller. Which is a bit different...

Lastly I want to point out how cool the re-modelled wolf-head vents are on the backpack. Thats my two cents...


http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/drlove42/IMG_2374998449839_zpszbhvcivp.jpeg (http://s106.photobucket.com/user/drlove42/media/IMG_2374998449839_zpszbhvcivp.jpeg.html)

[Dalleron]

Is this a not subtle hint that the SW codex is close. I don't remember if the DA were released in proximity to the vengence set but I want to say it was. Not that history can be any indication.

[Deadlift]

I wish the Space Wolves had normal haircuts... I'd love to collect some since I love Norse mythology but the haircuts are just too goofy.

Yes and the funky beards including those mutton chops. Space wolves are an army I so want to like but just can't. I disagree with EG, they are not boring. The armour is very ornate and interesting and no more boring as any other faction. I just think it call "howls" wolf too much. I think if someone where to tone down the kits a little by combining them with the generic marine kits and just have a touch of wolf here and there. They could look cool then. A bit more understated. Much like the Space Wolf pics from their FW book.

[John Bower]

Yes and the funky beards including those mutton chops. Space wolves are an army I so want to like but just can't. I disagree with EG, they are not boring. The armour is very ornate and interesting and no more boring as any other faction. I just think it call "howls" wolf too much. I think if someone where to tone down the kits a little by combining them with the generic marine kits and just have a touch of wolf here and there. They could look cool then. A bit more understated. Much like the Space Wolf pics from their FW book.

Just do what I do; put helmeted heads on them...

[Deadlift]

Yes, but I personally feel the kits need toning down. The helmets as you say work too but even some of those are a bit too Wolfie for my tastes. Still if this box set allows me to get some cool models on my rather limited budget I could be in. I've always fancied a Bran Redmaw themed army. Could be an excuse.

[Kirsten]

they are a bit odd, the vikings were not really known for their giant punk mohawks... some more 'normal' long straggling hair would be better. I have been considering doing a little elite space wolf army, and I need more orks, so this could be a good set for me.

[Tomgar]

Yeah, just some long hair and beard-age would make them look like badass Vikings instead of a dated, 80s-ish cyberpunk. And I agree there's faaaar too much "wolfiness" in the models and it needs toned down, badly. More Viking, less werewolf fanfic.

Basically, I just think they've taken a brilliant concept (Old Norse in Space) and made it into some "wacky" gimmick army. Poor execution on GW's part imo.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

The problem with that line of thought is that Space Wolves have never been just "Vikings in space". Fenrisian culture has a lot of the Viking about it, but also a lot of other cultures from the late antique/early medieval "Barbarian" world - the spiky ginger hair is meant to be reminiscent of Gallic/Germanic barbarians the Romans were dealing with. I think it was in a Phil Kelly article when the last book came out - they aren't just Vikings.

The wolf theme has always been strong with them, too. Thinking GW has "ruined Space Wolves" because they're somehow "too wolfy" is, uh, not supported by the evidence.

[Kirsten]

true enough, but they are a bit over the top. the hair dos don't really fit the personality in my opinion.

[Deadlift]

true enough, but they are a bit over the top. the hair dos don't really fit the personality in my opinion.

True enough, it's just down to personal taste. The great thing with the huge range of kits from GW is that it's perfectly easy to build any army how you want. There's so much variety of bits that can be added or replaced to produce an aesthetic you like. I said before I prefer FWs vision of Space wolves armour which is more "real" and less cliché.
Oh crap, I'm getting sucked in again aren't I ?

[Kirsten]

yeah I prefer the Heresy space wolves, plainer, still like their feasting and drinking, but seem angrier and more hard bitten than their 40k presentation, the emperors executioners.

[Darren Richardson]

if you wanted more "Traditional" style viking type hair styles, try using the bearded heads from the Empire Knight kit, you know the ones that make up the Knights of the White Wolf, they are about the same size as the bare marine heads, might need a tiny bit of greenstuff to bulk the neck slightly, but they'd work.

[Tomgar]

The wolf theme has always been strong with them, too. Thinking GW has "ruined Space Wolves" because they're somehow "too wolfy" is, uh, not supported by the evidence.

There's a difference between a "strong theme" and "chucking any old wolfy crap at them to the point that they're a parody army to a lot of people."

"Yeah, I'm gonna put on my wolf helmet to go with my wolf backpack then check out all the sweet wolf fur on my armour in the mirror before climbing onto my giant cyborg wolf and hitting people with my axe that's got a wolf head on it."

[Protoman2k]

Funnily enough, I run both Space Wolves and Blood Angels currently. I have been thinking my next army would be Orks, well because Orkiness iz fun. I have been hoping the BA get updated sooner than later, since they are costly in points to run.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

There's a difference between a "strong theme" and "chucking any old wolfy crap at them to the point that they're a parody army to a lot of people."

"Yeah, I'm gonna put on my wolf helmet to go with my wolf backpack then check out all the sweet wolf fur on my armour in the mirror before climbing onto my giant cyborg wolf and hitting people with my axe that's got a wolf head on it."

When has that ever not been 100% the Space Wolf aesthetic, though?

[Lexington]

When has that ever not been 100% the Space Wolf aesthetic, though?
Pretty much the entire time between the Space Wolves' creation and the current Codex, actually.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

Ragnar Blackmane has:

Enlarged canines;
Two wolves' heads on his belt buckle;
A wolf pelt slung over his shoulder;
Two wolves' heads on his backpack;
A wolf's head on his chainsword;
A wolf's pelt on his bolt pistol.

Ulfrik the Slayer is covered in wolf skulls. He even has one for a hat.

IIRC those are the oldest models in the Space Wolf range. You're wrong. SW's whole thing is wolveswolveswolveswolveswolves.

[Mr Mystery]

Ragnar Blackmane has:

Enlarged canines;
Two wolves' heads on his belt buckle;
A wolf pelt slung over his shoulder;
Two wolves' heads on his backpack;
A wolf's head on his chainsword;
A wolf's pelt on his bolt pistol.

Ulfrik the Slayer is covered in wolf skulls. He even has one for a hat.

IIRC those are the oldest models in the Space Wolf range. You're wrong. SW's whole thing is wolveswolveswolveswolveswolves.

Indeed. They date from the tail end of Rogue Trader.

[40kGamer]

Indeed. They date from the tail end of Rogue Trader.

Tail end? :D And yes the Leman Russ model from RT days had a strong wolf motif. It was more a limitation of the designs back in the day that kept them from going full sweaty space viking!

[Mr Mystery]

The new stuff are also multipart kits. Those not wanting all the decals and doodads don't need them.

I was working for GW when the new kits came out, and we mixed the samples up with a standard Tactical Box. More than enough to go round!

[Harley]

I was working for GW...

THE TRUTH COMES OUT.



Anyways, it's really simple that if players want to play Space Wolves without the heavy Wolf motif then it's extraordinarily easy for them to buy vanilla Marines, paint them grey/blue and have austere Space Wolves.

[Mr Mystery]

THE TRUTH COMES OUT.


Yes, because I've made such a secret of it....

[Wolfshade]

Shocking, ex-GW employee enjoys warhammer and joins gaming forum and references (semi-regularly) that they used to work for GW.

Nevermind operation yewtree this is the shocking revelation.

[Harley]

Shocking, ex-GW employee enjoys warhammer and joins gaming forum and references (semi-regularly) that they used to work for GW.

Nevermind operation yewtree this is the shocking revelation.

In a previous episode it was foreshadowed Mystery is actually an apologist mole on GeeDub's payroll to spread propaganda, even when it flies in the face of logic. Perhaps in the next season they will reveal if this staunch defender of all things Nottinghams corporate is truly on the take, but only time will tell.

Fun fact, GW hasn't produced a human female miniature in the past decade. But hey, I'm sure they are just trying to avoid homogeny. :rolleyes:

[Mr Mystery]

In a previous episode it was foreshadowed Mystery is actually an apologist mole on GeeDub's payroll to spread propaganda, even when it flies in the face of logic. Perhaps in the next season they will reveal if this staunch defender of all things Nottinghams corporate is truly on the take, but only time will tell.

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Petal, if GW could offer my current prospects, perks and pay, you might have had something to go on :) But sadly, I'm just another spod on the interwebs, who happens to have a differing opinion to you. That happens you know!

[Gingerpanda]

https://www.facebook.com/GWUxbridge/posts/778589878858209?notif_t=notify_me

Seems to suggest NO NEW boxed set, but there maybe some leg pulling here! :)

[40kGamer]

In a previous episode it was foreshadowed Mystery is actually an apologist mole on GeeDub's payroll to spread propaganda, even when it flies in the face of logic. Perhaps in the next season they will reveal if this staunch defender of all things Nottinghams corporate is truly on the take, but only time will tell.

Fun fact, GW hasn't produced a human female miniature in the past decade. But hey, I'm sure they are just trying to avoid homogeny. :rolleyes:

Haha! I know a lot of ex GW employees who love the game / hate the company. I don't think they are apologists just fanboys. I never worked for GW but have to admit that deep down I am a certified fanboy myself. I do not like the majority of their business practices, I am annoyed beyond imagination that they don't offer more female models and have neglected the SoB, and I do not like the lack of competitive balance in the rules... but in the end I love the universe they've created and the quality of the models they produce. I still maintain hope that the company will return to its gaming community roots in my lifetime. Guess time will tell! :)