WD stopping?

[spaceman91]

I have heard a rumour that white dwarf is stopping and is being replaced by a weekly. Now my local GW is saying there is some big super secret news on Saturday that has nothing to do with nid release. Anyone heard anything about this?

[Psychosplodge]

It would be good for GW in terms of news for stuff. But I think that it would be the final nail in the WD coffin for me personally.

[Lexington]

FWIW, this isn't the first place I've seen that rumor. Tho, the first place I did see it was the 40K Facebook group, so we could be talking about the same thing. Either way, sets off my hoax meter a bit, but GW has been on a crazy train lately with big moves, so who knows?

[Psychosplodge]

The GW parody on facebook is even reporting the demise of WD...

[irnmonkey]

It's across a few sites, here's the link from Faeit:

http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/the-monthly-white-dwarf-magazine-is-dead.html

It's pretty much taken as a definite thing with a weekly replacing WD along with a secondary monthly magazine.

[Wolfshade]

There was a discussion of changing from a monthly release schedule to a weekly release schedule. If this is was adopted it would certainly make more sense to change the periodical to a monthly base.

[Denzark]

I don't think the scale of economy would be there to make this viable - nowadays hardened gamers of any system might put up with x-pages of (admittedly well produced) high colour pish to get a painting article or batrep that applies to them - but if you could weed even further as only 1 of 4 weekly mags has your interest in, their overall figures would go down.

[spaceman91]

Sent to me by a friend. Not sure if its something new http://www.beastsofwar.com/games-workshop/games-workshops-white-dwarf-magazine-changing/

[spaceman91]

If this is true I really have had it with WD. Its really not been very good for a while. I have had it a 3 years now and it seems to be getting boring if I'm honest.

[spaceman91]

FWIW, this isn't the first place I've seen that rumor. Tho, the first place I did see it was the 40K Facebook group, so we could be talking about the same thing. Either way, sets off my hoax meter a bit, but GW has been on a crazy train lately with big moves, so who knows?

This maybe where he got it from as shortly after it popped up on my feed.

[odinsgrandson]

If this is true I really have had it with WD. Its really not been very good for a while. I have had it a 3 years now and it seems to be getting boring if I'm honest.

I sometimes read the WD reviews on the Tales of Painters blog. They always heartily recommend that everyone pick up White Dwarf every month, but after looking at what they say it contains, it always looks really underwhelming.

[miteyheroes]

I like Blanchitsu (lots!) and pictures of people's armies/models/Golden Daemon/Armies on Parade. Anything else I ignore.

I hope that one of the magazines still does those sort of articles?

[Bigred]

White Dwarf as a monthly may be done...

Faeit sources said:


via anonymous
There will be an announcement this Saturday. The monthly White Dwarf magazine is history. There will be a small weekly white dwarf magazine and a new monthly magazine, called "warhammer: visions", 230 pages strong(!!!). This will start in February.

Also there is a meeting in February for every European "black shirt" in England. Maybe for the new GW website, including FW. :)

via anonymous
As a heads up, you're going to be getting emails about "weekly white dwarf mini magazines."
It's called White Dwarf Visions and it's true.
They will focus on talking about the hobby and community more so than being a sales magazine.

[Agramar]

In Spain,a store chain(Goblintrader) confirmed the end of the mothly WD this morning:
http://descansodelescriba.blogspot.com/2014/01/adios-la-white-dwarfmayo-de-1977-enero.html

[irnmonkey]

Also just noticed, no mention of the Feb WD in the calander at the rear of this months issue. Don't they always mark the release Saturday of the next issue?

[Alvarius]

*SIGH* ...I was affraid of that.... Ever since the new (current) version od WD came I thought a downfall was comming :/
Wish that instead of it ending, they would go back to how WD was back in the Golden Age... when Paul "Fat Bloke" Sawyer was in charge...
To this day I keep re-reading these issues...
P.S.
And not to mention that it's a dick move to cancel White Dwarf just when WHFB Dwarfs get a new release... =_= '''''''''''

[DeliriumTrigger]

So what happens to those who still have part of the yearly subscription to go? Do we gain from receiving both magazines, one or neither? If it's the latter I'd like half my subscription fee back

[Resinpants]

Sales on it must be pretty poor! I could never see a reason to buy it. The painting stuff was ok, but I remember when there were rules for all the new figure releases each month. Remember the books that were collated from WD articles? What have they published in WD recently that you could do that with now?

[Pssyche]

I can only speak for what's happened in my area, but the final straw that made people stop buying White Dwarf was when they forced you to go into a Games Workshop store if you wanted to buy it the week it came out, by not providing local newsagents with copies until they'd had it on the GW shelves for a week.

Unless you could get into the store you missed out and the majority of the newsagents stopped carrying it after they were constantly left with every copy still on their shelf at the end of the month.

[Pssyche]

What have they published in WD recently that you could do that with now?

Death From The Skies.
And they got slaughtered by the internet community for that.
Unjustly so, in my opinion.

[tcraigen]

I collected it for years, then all of a sudden a trend of, delivered weeks late, always damaged, lost or randomly cancelled all started to occur. At one point we discovered that someone had overwrote my file changing the mailing address but keeping my name and billing address. Add in at that time dwindling content and hobby material I wrote them a letter about my disappointment to which they compt'd 8 months subscription which some how grew into a year and a half. They at that time promised it was being revamped and they were listening to complaints and comments. During that time it improved but I can't say it was ever what it was once upon at time and it's price continued to grow convincing me to drop my subscription after almost 8 years. Shortly after they did another full rebrand, and while that new look really is beautiful its felt like there was even less content and really the only article that caught my eye was the 2-3 pages of Mr Blanches. No where near enough to convince me to return to the magazine. I love the stuff they do online, its not perfect and is almost impossible to search for old material but even that feels better then the magazine. If they produced better online articles and then published them as bigger collections of best articles/hobbiest works I might actually buy those but as far as product looks, ads and basic painting tutorials go those are better left for the publication online.

[sgtpjbarker]

The paper mag days are gone, so it was a matter of time, just took them too long to stop it. I hope they continue the mag online though. I really like the stuff and the mag is fine. It is way better than anything else. I have a cook book mag I get, it is ok compared. The ads are great, have you guys seen car and driver lately?

[joiney]

The parting shot in the back is Kairos Fateweaver with "The time has come, foolish mortals. The time for change".

[Tuatara]

The parting shot in the back is Kairos Fateweaver with "The time has come, foolish mortals. The time for change".

It does throw a different light on that comment doesn't it? :p

[kingsleypark]

I have every issue going back to No.1.

In some ways it'll be sad to see the mag go but at the same time storage was becoming an issue for me! But like others have said its debatable how useful the mag has been especially since it's last transition into a "Vogue" magazine for GW fanboys.

[deinol]

If they switch to weekly with actual rules content, I might actually start picking it up again. I picked up one issue in the last decade and was sadly disappointed. I have a bunch of ones from the 90s when there was new rules content every issue. It allowed them to introduce new models to an army between codex releases. Razorbacks, Warp Spiders, and a lot more are just a few things I remember getting in White Dwarf upon the model's release.

We'll see, this may actually be a good move for them. Or they could just make it worse. We'll see.

[Gleipnir]

Been buying it for awhile now just for the pictures and such but definitely get the feeling it lacks the small fluff and rules articles and painting guides it used to have, ie if they actually added print versions of some of their digital only products to the magazine it would likely be much more relevant to the hobby today

[KommisarKeen]

Killing WD off, in its current form at least, is definitely a logical choice and I think better for players in the long run. Consider how annoying it was if you missed the issue with the flyers, or the Daemons update, or the Sisters update, and had to wait for the new books to drop or be stuck not using their models. It's a big difference, doing a limited release wargame rule versus, say, a limited release RPG rule like with Dragon.

The Black Library Digital Releases are really the way to handle incremental model updates, in much the way that WOTC folded Dragon into DDI.

[Mrchilidog]

My ipad subscription just auto-renewed this weekend...grrrrr

[energongoodie]

I wonder what this means for my book of white dwarf vouchers? I have 7 left and they expire at the end of this year.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

Your existing iPad subscription will now give you the monthly magazine Warhammer: Visions. Which I doubt will be much different to the existing White Dwarf: perhaps more of an emphasis on pictures, artwork, scenery and so on.

[odinsgrandson]

Warhammer: Visions sounds more like a Vogue style magazine with lots of great visuals of the new minis and no rules content.

It also sounds like it won't have any Lord of the Rings content. That'd be an interesting choice.


If they switch to weekly with actual rules content, I might actually start picking it up again.

Nothing in this rumor implies that there will be any rules content in the new version of the magazines. It's not like they're announcing that they're going back to the old days of WD.

There have been a few cool rules releases in WD since the '90s, but nothing like there used to be.

I've got all sorts of cool things from the '90s. There are missions for Space Hulk and Space Crusade, quests for Heroquest, the whole rules set for Necrons and Chaos Dwarves, rules for Bunkers, a campaign of Praetorians vs Feral Orks, new vehicles for 40k, rules for Ork-Genestealer Hybrids, a game about the Horus Heresy...

I miss that sort of thing. But I don't see it coming back anytime soon.

Since the '90s, my favorite WD release was definitely issue 300- where they had the rules for Movie Space Marines, and a campaign for Kill Teams. That was pretty cool, but it was also a while ago now.

[Al Shut]

That fact that, as a buyer of the January White Dwarf, I am completely uninformed about any possible changes says a lot about it's usefulness.

[energongoodie]

Your existing iPad subscription will now give you the monthly magazine Warhammer: Visions. Which I doubt will be much different to the existing White Dwarf: perhaps more of an emphasis on pictures, artwork, scenery and so on.

If this is in relation to me :)

I do not have an ipad? I have vouchers that I bought from GW ages ago that was a way of subscribing that let you take a month off if you didn't fancy it.

There fore I have 7 vouchers left that have been bought and paid for. I have this year to use them. How many White Dwarfs do you think we will get :)

If this happens this year and the new mag/thing costs less than the vouchers I paid for then....

[Mr Mystery]

Howdeedodee.

Local store confirms this is happening, but haven't seen a central announcement.

From what I'm told, WD Weekly will be mostly the sales pitch side, with Warhammer Visions being more Battle Reports, Blanchitsu etc.

No idea when first issue expected.

[eldargal]

Interesting, if the rumoured hobby focus includes more terrain building articles and stuff like that Warhammer Visions could be really great.

[Mr Mystery]

Also, forgot to mention, I was told Visions will be about double the page count of WD.

I'm interested to see how this turns out, as my subscription is ported over to Visions.

[DrLove42]

Brightons GW has just posted on Favebook confirming that this is happening. No specific details on content yet just that the weekly and one big one a moth thing is happening

[Popsical]

If the one a month mag is going to be bigger than poor clapped out white dwarf, how much is it going to cost!!!
A weekly rag? Cant see that lasting long.

[Eldar_Atog]

That would explain why the bunker staff didn't go into their 5 minute spiel last week about how all true gamers need a subscription to White Dwarf.

I've always found forums like BOLS to be way more informative than White Dwarf.

[ACE01]

Sorry guys should probably have looked for this a bit more, wasn't entirely sure on the best place to put it. If an admin/mod wants to move/merge then feel free.

Anyway, pricing and more info here:

http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?40546-New-WD-Weekly-and-Warhammer-Visions-info-and-pricing

[Popsical]

Jeebus! £17 a month for what might well constitute WD in pieces. Ouch!
Still at least you can pick and choose the bits you like i suppose.

[Mr Mystery]

And another snippet of info from local store.

It's not just WD going weekly, but the releases.

All kicks off 1st Feb.

[eldargal]

I really like the sound of weekly releases, so long as it gives u more variety rather than flavour of the month but spread out more.

[Mr Mystery]

More or less as it used to be :)

[Psychosplodge]

£7.50? thats me out. I can't see it being worth that.
The push past £5 wasn't really worth it, only continued out of habit. but the revamp was a massive disappointment.

[Brakkart]

I had a hunch that this would lead to weekly releases as both Forgeworld and GW: Digital have had weekly releases for quite some time now and had great success with that. And it does allow them a lot more freedom with their release schedule, rather than having months entirely themed around one force, means less sitting on already finished models waiting sometimes months (or as rumoured years) for that particular army to be updated to get it a release window. Not overly keen on the price hike for WD though but will have a look at it for sure and see if it's actually worth more than the old magazine was which I've not been tempted to buy in a couple years now, think the last issue I bought was the Flyer wave issue for 40k to get the Stormtalon's rules.

[Mr Mystery]

Good point dude.

Could we see an army each month, plus odd bits here and there?

[Brakkart]

Yeah I think that's exactly what we'll get. Just look at how Forgeworld do their releases, granted most of them are Space Marines but every now and then you get something totally random like a Warhammer monster, or the Tau R'varna released. And it works, I know I'm always interested to see each Friday (and sometimes Tuesdays too) what Forgeworld will release next. Now imagine that but with plastic kits and the rules to support them in that weeks WD.

[Deadlift]

£7.50? thats me out. I can't see it being worth that.
The push past £5 wasn't really worth it, only continued out of habit. but the revamp was a massive disappointment.

I am with you there my friend. Whilst I may still buy the odd issue, it's no longer going to be a "habit" purchase. What I suspect and I could be wrong is the monthly issue will contain some "re cap" articles from the weekly issues. Much as the art / hobby sections in the supplements were just duplicates of the main codex. I always thought that was a little cheap.

[Flame of Udun]

Interesting, if the rumoured hobby focus includes more terrain building articles and stuff like that Warhammer Visions could be really great.

You mean the way White Dwarf used to be before it got dumbed down in to the "big text and even bigger pictures" format that its had turned into? The revamp had so much promise but made it even worse and if they are going to ask £7.50 a month then frankly it needs to be seriously content heavy and I mean new art, stories, conversions, how to's, proper painting guides and not the "painting by numbers poop" they currently churn out. The only article that I ever really bothered with in the revamped WD was the Blanchitsu section.

I really don't see why White Dwarf should be canned its just need some serious hobby investment, less catalogue and more content. Something that shows they, aka the people in charge of the company, have more interest in expanding the hobbyverse that GW had built and less in lining their own fat pockets. From what I have seen put out over the last few years it seems as though GW wants the money with little of the effort.

[DrLove42]

I don't see why they don't just keep the name on a new format. WD is name that is tied to hobby from day 1.

[Psychosplodge]

I'd imagine because they promised so much and delivered so little on the last revamp?

[Herzlos]

I sometimes read the WD reviews on the Tales of Painters blog. They always heartily recommend that everyone pick up White Dwarf every month, but after looking at what they say it contains, it always looks really underwhelming.

It makes a lot more sense when you realise that the autor from Tale Of Painters has had his army featured in WD a couple of times (and got a bit of a slating over the coverage). But I've also seen the review's seemingly incredibly positive whilst highlighting how little content is there.

For the new one; I'll no doubt ignore most of the weeklies (I'll find out about the releases pretty quickly anyway) and I'll have a flick through the Visions, but if it's mostly pictures of armies and the pretend hobby articles (kitbash, paint splatter and JJ) I won't be buying.

[Serenapth]

Where have GW announced this? If you check the website, they are still offering 12 month subscription!!!

[Mr Mystery]

Confirmed in store.

Seems they have the scoop, with web announcement to follow at some point.

[odinsgrandson]

Yeah I think that's exactly what we'll get. Just look at how Forgeworld do their releases, granted most of them are Space Marines but every now and then you get something totally random like a Warhammer monster, or the Tau R'varna released. And it works, I know I'm always interested to see each Friday (and sometimes Tuesdays too) what Forgeworld will release next. Now imagine that but with plastic kits and the rules to support them in that weeks WD.

Yeah... I kind of doubt there will be rules content. To me, it really sounds like more of the same thing we've been getting from WD- a lot of great pictures for their minis, but really it is a rather expensive ad.

Maybe I'm jaded, but I feel like the rules content has only trended in a less direction in the twenty years I've been following White Dwarf.

They could (and maybe even should) use this opportunity to turn that around. But that doesn't seem to be a part of the rumor itself, so I do not have any real hope that they're going to start bringing back the old WD that I used to love.

[Mr Mystery]

To sum up what I've been told so far (I stop short of saying what I know, as although I have no reason to doubt my local store staff, bits may be misconstrued).

WD is going weekly, as are releases. Kicks off 1st February 2014. This magazine will focus on the releases.

Warhammer Visions is the new monthly mag. 100 additional pages, and hobby article based, set to include stuff like Blanchitsu, Standard Bearer, Reader's Armies, Paintsplatter, 'Eavy Metal et al. Seems this will be largely internal advertising free.

Rules content? Who knows. Given their push to rapidly release stuff, quite possibly not. After all, why charge £7.50 for rules in a mag which will be around for a month, when you can charge £20/£30 for a hardback book which is permanently available.

Though hey, the magazines are designed to sell. If you want to see it, ask for it. By no means guarantees they'll put it in, but it will show a demand that could be met far better than comments on a forum ever will :)

[Psychosplodge]

Then give us that at sub £5 and we'll all be happy again :p

[Wildeybeast]

Here's the thing that's puzzling me: why do GW think anyone is going to pay money for a weekly mag of releases? That stuff is freely available on the website at the same time WD is released. Everything else that is 'hobby related' such as


stuff like Blanchitsu, Standard Bearer, Reader's Armies, Paintsplatter, 'Eavy Metal et al. Seems this will be largely internal advertising free.

will be in 'visions' and that is basically the interesting stuff.

The releases section is just pictures, a tiny bit of fluff and some gumph about how amazing the kits are. How does that constitute a £2.50 weekly magazine? Unless there is detailed 'behind the scenes' stuff on the design process and some extra content like rules, a mag consisting of advertising (which is free on the website) and some bat reps is going to die on its arse. Unless there is more to it than we know, this seems extraordinarily badly thought out.

[Serenapth]

Confirmed in store.

Seems they have the scoop, with web announcement to follow at some point.

Ok, thanks. Havent been to my local this year.... I guess i'll wait and see what they offer for my remaining subscription.
Dont think i will be increasing into any new mags as the cost is getting silly.

[odinsgrandson]

Here's the thing that's puzzling me: why do GW think anyone is going to pay money for a weekly mag of releases? That stuff is freely available on the website at the same time WD is released. Everything else that is 'hobby related' such as

will be in 'visions' and that is basically the interesting stuff.

The releases section is just pictures, a tiny bit of fluff and some gumph about how amazing the kits are. How does that constitute a £2.50 weekly magazine? Unless there is detailed 'behind the scenes' stuff on the design process and some extra content like rules, a mag consisting of advertising (which is free on the website) and some bat reps is going to die on its arse. Unless there is more to it than we know, this seems extraordinarily badly thought out.


I generally think that there's not a lot of reason to charge for the release magazine. Just make it small (pamphlet sized) and give it out for free.

You don't need to have people pay so that you can advertise to them. Advertise to them for free, and then sell then all the pretty minis.



You know, they could actually do some rules content without going overboard. Scenarios, rules for skirmish gameplay or something for one of the RPGs that Fantasy Flight is doing (they used to do this for HeroQuest and Space Crusade- there's no reason they can't do it with FF just as well as they did with MB).

But I don't expect this to be the case.

[Mr Mystery]

From I'm told (do not necessarily read as truth), I think people are underestimating just what Warhammer Visions might deliver.

It's 100 pages more than the current monthly White Dwarf....without anything about this months releases.

That's a lot of pages to fill. And a lot of potential content. Yes I'm sure some will be just gumph filler, that's unavoidable. I mean look at wimmin's glossies, and those magazines for men what can't reach the top shelf. Mostly just adverts. Very little actual worthwhile content, but the stuff that is worthwhile seems pretty good (not that I read them. I'm too much of a nerd).

[Psychosplodge]

more filler, more photos. After the hype and subsequent disappointment of the last revamp... well it's hardly surprising if we take this one with a pinch of salt is it?

[Mr Mystery]

Indeed. I'm cautiously optimistic.

This is (apparently) a fairly radical departure from the monthly White Dwarf after all, so what has gone before may not have any bearing :)

[Psychosplodge]

I'm buying bags of salt anyway...

[Mr Mystery]

:p

I remain an optimistic liberal thinker / moon eyed loonie*

*delete as appropriate.

[Psychosplodge]

Come to the pessimistic side, you're disappointed far less often...

[Mr Mystery]

Nah. I'm never disappointed!

[FireHazard]

I know I probably shouldn't be, but with only 16 days of the month left, I'm a little surprised we haven't heard anything 'official' by now.

[Lukas The Trickster]

I had big hopes when I was told it was to be revamped, at that point I hadn't bought a WD probably in two years, and like many I bought the 'first' couple of issues only to be underwhelmed, then stopped again. Maybe I view it with rose tinted specs, but back in the day when Paul Sawyer was editor, there were still adverts but still more content, like short stories, a letters page, - you used to actually get excited a few days before it was due to come out. Moving on a few years, the content seemed to drop, there was less articles showing conversions and scratchbuilding and more 'we make this, so you don't have to', but I still bought it, often on the strength of the 'Eavy Metal painting tutorials alone - I'm guessing these got dropped as GW shifted its focus more towards younger players, who tend to care less about the appearance of stuff and just want to get it on the table. Talking to other hobbyists I know many of us liked the same things, and if they could tap into it, they could make it a brilliant publication again. Another trick would be to integrate Forgeworld's products and gaming systems more into the magazine - the HH rules and minis are very popular, particularly with adult gamers (who can afford it) and could warrant a section of its own, they could even serialize some of the novelllas and shorter stories. Maybe the Warhammer visions will be more aimed at the adult segment of the market, and will have more of the stuff we are looking for.

[Wildeybeast]

From I'm told (do not necessarily read as truth), I think people are underestimating just what Warhammer Visions might deliver.

It's 100 pages more than the current monthly White Dwarf....without anything about this months releases.

That's a lot of pages to fill. And a lot of potential content. Yes I'm sure some will be just gumph filler, that's unavoidable. I mean look at wimmin's glossies, and those magazines for men what can't reach the top shelf. Mostly just adverts. Very little actual worthwhile content, but the stuff that is worthwhile seems pretty good (not that I read them. I'm too much of a nerd).

Oh, visions I'm trying to be positiive about, because that has all the stuff worth bothering to read in. It's the £2.50 weekly one that worries/confuses/angers me.

[Psychosplodge]

but £2.00 a month extra? :eek:

[Herzlos]

From I'm told (do not necessarily read as truth), I think people are underestimating just what Warhammer Visions might deliver.

It's 100 pages more than the current monthly White Dwarf....without anything about this months releases.

That's a lot of pages to fill. And a lot of potential content. Yes I'm sure some will be just gumph filler, that's unavoidable. I mean look at wimmin's glossies, and those magazines for men what can't reach the top shelf. Mostly just adverts. Very little actual worthwhile content, but the stuff that is worthwhile seems pretty good (not that I read them. I'm too much of a nerd).

From what I've heard it's safer to be cautiously pessimistic. If it turns out to be a worthwhile read then excellent, but GW doesn't have much form there. What I've heard is that it's just a very large catalog, made up mostly of photos and filler. I've even heard there will be short enough text that it'll be provided in 3 languages, so we're potentially looking at a book of mini's photos (some 'eavy metal, some staffers, some customers) with captions.

There's only so many photos I can look at of stock Space Marines in a single sitting.

[Rob-O]

It's official.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/wnt/blog.jsp?pid=12800022

[eldargal]

I'm hopeful, I actually liked the revamped White Dwarf a lot more than most people seemed to.

[Psychosplodge]

Well statistically someone had to :p

[eldargal]

I like the terrain features, new style painting guides and various other things quite a bit, it seemed well received in my club as well. But I always assumed they would get around to having my hobby content eventually... Looking forward to Warhammer Visions more than Weekly Dwarf though.

[GravesDisease]

I never understood what the current WD hate was - only 1/3 is dedicated to new releases. Unlike most other magazines it doesn't actually contain adverts remember. But there is plenty of "hobby content", it's just that it's it is either for the wrong game system or that John Blanche gives them nightmares.

[Psychosplodge]

Because we remember the Fat Bloke glory days, or some people before that...

[GravesDisease]

Oh you're right, i remember that guy! I met him at a gamesday 10 years ago... he seemed less jolly.

[Psychosplodge]

I can't imagine GD being the place to catch anyone at their best :D
or the jolly fatman was just an editorial persona for the readers? :eek:

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I looked pretty fabulous when I met you. :p

[Herzlos]

I never understood what the current WD hate was - only 1/3 is dedicated to new releases. Unlike most other magazines it doesn't actually contain adverts remember. But there is plenty of "hobby content", it's just that it's it is either for the wrong game system or that John Blanche gives them nightmares.

The first 1/3rd of it is dedicated to new releases, but then scattered through it there's a couple of filler articles, some (gushing) reviews of new books, a vague battle report featuring said new releases, and often a painting guide on the new releases, then some hobby articles that really amount to "buy this! it's great". The whole thing has a feeling of being one big advert, and the space dedicated to the new releases is probably nearer 50% once you take out the 12 pages of store listings.

[Herzlos]

I can't imagine GD being the place to catch anyone at their best :D
or the jolly fatman was just an editorial persona for the readers? :eek:

I've met him a couple of times outwith GD and he always seemed pretty good humoured. GD must be pretty hard going for the celebs.

[Psychosplodge]

I looked pretty fabulous when I met you. :p

I wasn't doing bad myself :D, but then we weren't working there...

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Indeeeeeeeeed. You and your amazing t shirt. xD

[eldargal]

The whole thing has a feeling of being one big advert...
Have you read any mainstream magazines lately? White Dwarf is refreshingly free of ads in comparison.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Where those Hipster mags at?

[Psychosplodge]

Indeeeeeeeeed. You and your amazing t shirt. xD

Very popular that shirt...

[Deadlift]

Have you read any mainstream magazines lately? White Dwarf is refreshingly free of ads in comparison.

Depends on your interpretation of what an advert is. If you take product placement into account, the whole thing is one big brochure. But of course people buy the magazine because they happen to like the product. White Dwarf or what ever it's called now only exists to do one thing. Support and promote games workshops models. Why would they produce it otherwise.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Depends on your interpretation of what an advert is. If you take product placement into account, the whole thing is one big brochure. But of course people buy the magazine because they happen to like the product. White Dwarf or what ever it's called now only exists to do one thing. Support and promote games workshops models. Why would they produce it otherwise.

Yep. 100% agree with that.

[Herzlos]

Have you read any mainstream magazines lately? White Dwarf is refreshingly free of ads in comparison.

The ads in the other magazines I've read recently have all been pretty honest about being ads whilst the magazine contained some editorial content. I just got the feeling with old WD that everything was an ad, either blatantly or thinly veiled as content.

For example: Jeremy Vetlocks article on why you should buy modular gaming hills. Or kitbash.

[eldargal]

True but I can't think of any magazine quite like WD to be honest. I mean of course it is basically a catalogue if you consider that it is aimed at people who buy GW products and contains nothing but GW products. But in terms of explicit 'buy the shinies' it's about a third which isn't bad. It also has a much larger pagecount and similar price to most niche magazines I'm familiar with and unlike said magazines and all mainstream magazines none of the cost to the publisher is subsided by outside advertising material.

Most other niche magazines I'm familiar with weigh in at around 70 pages, A5 format often (if full colour) and are around half ads to help subsidise the cost.

[odinsgrandson]

Because we remember the Fat Bloke glory days, or some people before that...

Some of us remember.

Back when there wasn't a battle report in every issue, and when there was, it was always Jervis losing to Andy Chambers. Or that one time they decided to publish a game between the tournament winners (internal and otherwise).

We remember when there were hobby articles that talked about creating terrain from cake toppers, Pringles Tins and stucko. We remember painting articles that Mike McVey wrote, n which he actually told us how the 'Eavy Metal team painted.

We remember back when they included full games in WD, and support for board games and RPGs that might have been produced under license. And full Campaigns for Warhammer, 40k and Space Hulk, Space Crusade, HeroQuest, and new missions and gangs for Necromunda.

And we remember that the first Codex Space Wolves was from WD (spanning several months), and that's how we had army lists for Necrons, Sisters of Battle and the Legion of the Damned (twice). And that the Army Book for Chaos Dwarves was a re-print of WD articles.

We might also remember that the update from 3rd to 4th ed 40k was published in WD- then Andy Chambers actually responded to the feedback that he got! We had a better edition of 40k because they put content into WD.


Honestly, I'd love to see things go back to those days. WD would be a great place for a Dark Heresy adventure, or some less than totally official supplement for Talisman or Chaos in the Old World, then some rules for less prominent Space Marine chapters (say, Relictors, Scythes of the Emperor, Lamentors, Black Dragons).

Sure- printing technology has improved, painting meta has improved and the photography and artwork has improved. The current magazine definitely looks better than the old one. But they used to not shy away from putting games and game variants into WD.

[John Bower]

Death From The Skies.
And they got slaughtered by the internet community for that.
Unjustly so, in my opinion.

That didn't come from WD, it came from the Crusade of Fire Campaign book. Flyers first appeared in WD, but not the DFtS rules. And really they could've done it all in WD to be honest. They hit us 20 quid for not a lot of substance really. I only bought it to have all my flyers in 1 place.

[John Bower]

See post below this one was a bit messed up :(

[John Bower]

Oh, visions I'm trying to be positiive about, because that has all the stuff worth bothering to read in. It's the £2.50 weekly one that worries/confuses/angers me.

Yeah but 7 quid? That's better spent on a model or some scenery (some of which can be purchased around tinterwebs for that or less) that won't end up in the paper bin a week later.

[Mr Mystery]

Or we can wait and see what the actual content is, before decrying the price.

[Psychosplodge]

But it wasn't worth £5.50 mystery, but it was bought out of habit. I genuinely can't imagine what they think will justify £7.50 as page count isn't enough...

[Deadlift]

£7 is a step too far for me personally, unless they do something radical like include money off vouchers then I shall pick and choose which issue I buy instead of subscribing. If you commit to buying the weekly edition and the monthly your talking £17 a month or £204 a year. That's steep. I do suspect they will have a money off deal if you buy a years joint subscription.

[Deadlift]

Or we can wait and see what the actual content is, before decrying the price.

The thing is Mystery, for any magazine that's steep, considering I can buy x 2 new X-Wing models for just £3 more if I were to buy the weekly ones as well.
Hell I'm not sure what an xbox magazine costs now but it used to be around £6 and that came with playable content.

I'm not saying GW have got it wrong, the content could be fantastic. But for me no magazine is worth spending £7.50 a month on. GW prices in general have got to my upper limit now. That's my choice and I certainly don't begrudge others who are happy to pay these prices.

[Mr Mystery]

Again, depends entirely upon the content.

If it's 'new and improved! Guaranteed 60% MORE WAFFLING!' then yep, £7 or whatever is a bit of a rip.

But....if it's engaging content of interest to a wide range of hobbyists, then that's a totally different matter.

People seem to be judging it purely on the price, and that's silly.

[Herzlos]

True but I can't think of any magazine quite like WD to be honest. I mean of course it is basically a catalogue if you consider that it is aimed at people who buy GW products and contains nothing but GW products. But in terms of explicit 'buy the shinies' it's about a third which isn't bad. It also has a much larger pagecount and similar price to most niche magazines I'm familiar with and unlike said magazines and all mainstream magazines none of the cost to the publisher is subsided by outside advertising material.

Most other niche magazines I'm familiar with weigh in at around 70 pages, A5 format often (if full colour) and are around half ads to help subsidise the cost.


Quite like WD in what regards? Subject matter? Quality? I know I go on about it, but you should have a flick through Wargames Illustrated or No Quarter if you see them and compare what you get for the price. Both are run by wargames manufacturers and both plug their own stuff. You can't really get a closer comparison.

[Herzlos]

People seem to be judging it purely on the price, and that's silly.

It depends on what it's sitting next to. In a newsagent it'll be a good 50% more than the other gaming mags, in GW it'll be beside Black Library books for £1 more*, in the FLGS it'll probably be in line of sight to mini's blisters for cheaper. It's also jumping out of the train reading/impulse buy market, since it's going for about a fiver to the best part of a tenner. Every month. And that's ignoring the weekly one.

I know we'll need to see what's it in first, but it's going to have to be absolutely stunning to be worth the asking price.


*To illustrate my point, "Mark Of Calth", the latest HH novel launched tomorrow, contains 416 pages and is presumably properly edited, has a retail price of £7.99. 99p more than this 236 page catalog-book. Which is better value for money?

[ACE01]

Appreciate people have seen the GW blog, but for those that didn't catch my post in the corporate forum:

UPDATE 15/01/2014:

Further info on WDD and WH:V...


All DD subscribers will get a letter and will have their subscriptions converted into Warhammer Visions. Cost disparities will be handled on a case basis, depending on when you took out your existing sub.
Existing White Dwarf Vouchers can be traded in for Warhammer Visions, netting you £2 of extra 'value'
All existing WD home delivery subscribers will receive the first issue of White Dwarf Weekly for free as a 'thank you'. Whether Voucher subscribers will receive a free copy or not I don't know.
All new WV subscriptions will be for home delivery only. The voucher system has been scrapped and is no longer available.
New WV subs will be £65 for 12 issues, a higher % saving vs the existing White Dwarf monthly, but at a higher total price.
There will be no subscription for White Dwarf Weekly, & it will only be available from your local GW store, independent stockist or the GW website.
The first WDW has a rules section.


GW release here: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/wnt/blog.jsp?pid=12800022-gws

[deinol]

I remember when you didn't have to wait for a new codex to get new models. Because when the Razorback or Warp Spiders were introduced, the rules came out that month in WD.

If these new magazines consistently contain new rules, I might actually start looking at them again. I had a subscription back in the 90s, when awesome stuff (meaning playable game content) came out every month.

[Mr Mystery]

Last happened twoish years ago, with the Orky and Marine flyers.

[Wildeybeast]

Appreciate people have seen the GW blog, but for those that didn't catch my post in the corporate forum:

UPDATE 15/01/2014:

Further info on WDD and WH:V...


All DD subscribers will get a letter and will have their subscriptions converted into Warhammer Visions. Cost disparities will be handled on a case basis, depending on when you took out your existing sub.
Existing White Dwarf Vouchers can be traded in for Warhammer Visions, netting you £2 of extra 'value'
All existing WD home delivery subscribers will receive the first issue of White Dwarf Weekly for free as a 'thank you'. Whether Voucher subscribers will receive a free copy or not I don't know.
All new WV subscriptions will be for home delivery only. The voucher system has been scrapped and is no longer available.
New WV subs will be £65 for 12 issues, a higher % saving vs the existing White Dwarf monthly, but at a higher total price.
There will be no subscription for White Dwarf Weekly, & it will only be available from your local GW store, independent stockist or the GW website.
The first WDW has a rules section.


GW release here: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/wnt/blog.jsp?pid=12800022-gws

I like the fact that I'm getting a WDW, but unless it's utterly awesome, there's no chance I'm going online to buy it every week. I'm assuming my long standing DD will continue at the same price, it's never changed with previous prices increases. They better hurry up and get me that letter, I want to know what is happening.

[Darren Richardson]

I originally posted this in the Corporate thread, but here's my two pence worth.


mehhh

GW have more details online now, and you can only get the weekly from GW Stores Independent stockists (good luck finding one) and the GW online store.....

bad decision IMVHO....

Still at least the Visions will be available from anyone who previously stocked WD....

I just hope issue one isn't polybagged, I want to look through it before deciding to shell out my hard earned Pound Sterling....

I think it's a very disgraceful move on GW's part to ONLY have the Weekly available in there stores or independent stockists, here in East London the closest GW store is either Oxford Street's Plaza or Coven Garden, failing that Romford (which technically is in Essex).

As for Independent stockists, several shops in East London which used to stock GW products are all stopping from stocking said products, which means I cannot get to any place which I can buy a copy with any quickness or ease.

As for buying it online, by the time it will arrive it will be out of date already...

And before you say anything about ebook or iPad editions, I don't own/can't afford either devices to actually read an e-copy of the damn thing

[This Dave]

Here in Michigan the nearest GW store is a 2 hour highway drive away. I don't an on making that trek for the weekly.

[John Bower]

I originally posted this in the Corporate thread, but here's my two pence worth.



I think it's a very disgraceful move on GW's part to ONLY have the Weekly available in there stores or independent stockists, here in East London the closest GW store is either Oxford Street's Plaza or Coven Garden, failing that Romford (which technically is in Essex).

As for Independent stockists, several shops in East London which used to stock GW products are all stopping from stocking said products, which means I cannot get to any place which I can buy a copy with any quickness or ease.

As for buying it online, by the time it will arrive it will be out of date already...

And before you say anything about ebook or iPad editions, I don't own/can't afford either devices to actually read an e-copy of the damn thing

Try Miniature Empire in Gants Hill, Ilford. That's still classed as East London and not as far to go as Romford.

[GravesDisease]

I think it's a very disgraceful move on GW's part to ONLY have the Weekly available in there stores or independent stockists, here in East London the closest GW store is either Oxford Street's Plaza or Coven Garden, failing that Romford (which technically is in Essex).


I emailed them about the great opportunity to open a store in Greenwich given its affluence, residential status and tourist foot traffic. The representative said he would look in to it but I chuckled when he suggested that SE london already had one in....Bromley. Yeah, London doesn't work that way.

[Aldavaer]

As an expat living abroad I hope my local store carries the weekly in English, they do have a few WD in English currently, but as this is Brussels they need French and Dutch Language versions already. For general stuff I can manage in French but interpreting new rules would be a pain.

It will be interesting to see if there is a clear separation of content between the weekly and the monthly, (ie new releases, rules and battle reports in the weekly, painting and modelling in the monthly) or if they will mix it up with the possibility of rules appearing in either which would be a complete pain in the proverbial.
It will also be interesting to see if the content is unique or if items from the weekly are reused in the monthly and if they are top what extent.

[Eberk]

but as this is Brussels they need French and Dutch Language versions already.
Dutch versions ?? When I see a White Dwarf it is in English. Is there even a dutch language version of White Dwarf ?? I never saw one (and I live 15km from Brussels)

I don't know where you live but you should look outside Brussels, there you will find White Dwarfs and rules in English.

[Aldavaer]

Thanks Eberk; I've seen the French Version, afraid I assumed a Dutch version. At the moment I can get the rules, codexes and WD in English. My concern was if the local retailers would bother to stock an English version, but if there isn't a Dutch version they may well do.

[Lord Aaron]

the manager at my local store gave me a shrug of the shoulders when asked about WD. o well

[Keef]

I originally posted this in the Corporate thread, but here's my two pence worth.



I think it's a very disgraceful move on GW's part to ONLY have the Weekly available in there stores or independent stockists, here in East London the closest GW store is either Oxford Street's Plaza or Coven Garden, failing that Romford (which technically is in Essex).

As for Independent stockists, several shops in East London which used to stock GW products are all stopping from stocking said products, which means I cannot get to any place which I can buy a copy with any quickness or ease.

As for buying it online, by the time it will arrive it will be out of date already...

And before you say anything about ebook or iPad editions, I don't own/can't afford either devices to actually read an e-copy of the damn thing

All is not doom and gloom, ebooks can be read on an android phone or tablet, iPad, iPhone, Mac, Windows 8 PC or tablet. You must have at least one of those, as you're posting here.

Amazon have some free kindle reading apps which can read most ebooks.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/feature.html/ref=amb_link_176635847_5?ie=UTF8&docId=1000425503&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=center-banner&pf_rd_r=0F8X9P9BQRVXCJFN99KT&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=455005527&pf_rd_i=341689031

[Darren Richardson]

All is not doom and gloom, ebooks can be read on an android phone or tablet, iPad, iPhone, Mac, Windows 8 PC or tablet. You must have at least one of those, as you're posting here.

Windows 7 Desktop PC, Can't stand those bloody smart phones, as soon as someone gets on one they lose all sense of constraint and manners (I work in retail, it's bloody annoying when someone comes up to then counter and just points at what they want while they chat on their bloody phone)


Amazon have some free kindle reading apps which can read most ebooks.

I since found that after making my intial post LOL :)

[Tuatara]

Windows 7 Desktop PC, Can't stand those bloody smart phones, as soon as someone gets on one they lose all sense of constraint and manners (I work in retail, it's bloody annoying when someone comes up to then counter and just points at what they want while they chat on their bloody phone)

I know what you mean. Terrible isn't it?

[Psychosplodge]

Windows 7 Desktop PC, Can't stand those bloody smart phones, as soon as someone gets on one they lose all sense of constraint and manners (I work in retail, it's bloody annoying when someone comes up to then counter and just points at what they want while they chat on their bloody phone)



It's not unreasonable to just say next

[odinsgrandson]

I've started seeing signs at registers that say "We're patient and will wait for you to finish on your phone before helping you."


All is not doom and gloom, ebooks can be read on an android phone or tablet, iPad, iPhone, Mac, Windows 8 PC or tablet. You must have at least one of those, as you're posting here.

Amazon have some free kindle reading apps which can read most ebooks.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/feature.html/ref=amb_link_176635847_5?ie=UTF8&docId=1000425503&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=center-banner&pf_rd_r=0F8X9P9BQRVXCJFN99KT&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=455005527&pf_rd_i=341689031


You would need something that you normally would read a book on. The best device to access forums is still a PC of some kind, but it is not an ideal device to read books on. You could do it, sure, but you probably don't want to enough to pay the prices involved.

People who only have a PC and don't have one of those other devices aren't the ideal audience for ebooks. Currently, if you are selling your books without a print version, you are cutting out a portion of your potential audience.

In fiction, this isn't normally an issue- you have a smaller audience and that's the end of it. But this is a case where some of the rules to the game that we play aren't available to some of the players (unless they change their habits pretty drastically).

I'm pretty sure that the day is coming when e-books are a medium for everyone, but acting like they are now is alienating a portion of their audience.

[FireHazard]

Any subscribers had a letter yet?

[Mr Mystery]

Dunno. Mine goes direct to store (I was homeless when I signed up, and have never got round to giving them me actual address!)

Straight from the horses mouth (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/wnt/blog.jsp?pid=12900004)

And also sneaky confirmation it's definitely Stunties this month. I know my runes, and that cropped photo is runic.

Oh, and us subscribers get it around a week in advance (depending on post) as of March. Which is nice.

[FireHazard]

Dunno. Mine goes direct to store (I was homeless when I signed up, and have never got round to giving them me actual address!)

Straight from the horses mouth (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/wnt/blog.jsp?pid=12900004)

And also sneaky confirmation it's definitely Stunties this month. I know my runes, and that cropped photo is runic.

Oh, and us subscribers get it around a week in advance (depending on post) as of March. Which is nice.

Brill! Thanks for the link. That's cleared a couple of my queries right up, this being the important one "The price you pay will not change during your subscription period."

Sweet :cool:

[Mr Mystery]

As I'm on direct debit, I guess my price will be going up.

Currently it's equivalent of 3 for 2, so still happy overall.

[FireHazard]

Ah yes, I'm on DD too. Perhaps not so sweet...

[Wildeybeast]

Well, it says it will not go up during your subscription period, so it should stay the same until you come to renewal. Which is why that perpetual 12 quid a quarter deal I signed up to all those years ago is looking pretty sweet right about now. :D If they do intend on increasing your direct debit, by law they have to notify you in advance.

[ACE01]

Well, it says it will not go up during your subscription period, so it should stay the same until you come to renewal. Which is why that perpetual 12 quid a quarter deal I signed up to all those years ago is looking pretty sweet right about now. :D If they do intend on increasing your direct debit, by law they have to notify you in advance.

I'm a super old time £9 a quarter IIRC ;)

[Wildeybeast]

Actually, it may even be £9 a quarter. I don't really notice it going out, so not sure. Either way, it's a pretty sweet deal! Almost worth persevering through all those years when it was 100 pages of adverts.

[Bigred]

Doing the rounds...

New Covers
6872

Hmm, what's that I spy in the back cover...

[Seerkarandras]

Ok Look Precious...Dwarfses

[evanger]

Doing the rounds...

New Covers
6872

Hmm, what's that I spy in the back cover...

I think those are both front covers.

The Dwarf is on White Dwarf Weekly and the Tyranid is on Warhammer: Visions.

[evanger]

Doing the rounds...

New Covers
6872

Hmm, what's that I spy in the back cover...

I think those are both front covers; the one with the dwarf is White Dwarf Weekly, issue 1 while the one with the Tyranid is Warhammer: Visions, issue 1.

[Alvarius]

*SIGH*... Just my luck... Not a single GW store or independant stockinst for about 100 miles around me... GW doesn't accept my type of credit card... the new WD won't be available from my regular press dealers... and they decide to launch the new version of my main / favorite army exactly at that point.... Thank you GW..... =.=''''''''

[Boon]

Yea, my WFB is a dwarf army too.

[Gingerpanda]

*SIGH*... Just my luck... Not a single GW store or independant stockinst for about 100 miles around me... GW doesn't accept my type of credit card... the new WD won't be available from my regular press dealers... and they decide to launch the new version of my main / favorite army exactly at that point.... Thank you GW..... =.=''''''''

Don't they take Paypal these days?

EDIT: Just checked and the website has the Paypal logo on it! :)

[Alvarius]

Don't they take Paypal these days?

EDIT: Just checked and the website has the Paypal logo on it! :)

Well that is an option... xept that in that case I'd have to pay for posting and package... which will make it double the price if not even more expensive :/
With all due respect mate (don't take this the wrong way)... To you, that wouldn't be much of a problem... but given the exchange rate, that is really expensive for me :/

[Alvarius]

Don't they take Paypal these days?

EDIT: Just checked and the website has the Paypal logo on it! :)

Update. If you select Poland as your country, the PayPal option is gone. So much for GW treating everybody on equal terms (people from Australia know something about that *looks at price tags* )

[StraightSilver]

I'm sure that this has already been mentioned but there is no mention of The Hobbit / LOTR on the weekly magazine? Just WHFb and 40K.

[Al Shut]

Probably obscured by the Visions cover.

[evanger]

I'm sure that this has already been mentioned but there is no mention of The Hobbit / LOTR on the weekly magazine? Just WHFb and 40K.

I think you are right. I noticed that as well from the first (top portion) teaser shot GW released.

[Lord-Boofhead]

So much for GW treating everybody on equal terms (people from Australia know something about that *looks at price tags* )

Yeah the gall of them charging extra for shipping when they have that teleporter machine....

[Lord-Boofhead]

People who only have a PC and don't have one of those other devices aren't the ideal audience for ebooks. Currently, if you are selling your books without a print version, you are cutting out a portion of your potential audience.

In fiction, this isn't normally an issue- you have a smaller audience and that's the end of it. But this is a case where some of the rules to the game that we play aren't available to some of the players (unless they change their habits pretty drastically).

I'm pretty sure that the day is coming when e-books are a medium for everyone, but acting like they are now is alienating a portion of their audience.

The answer would be to sell the stuff in PDF as well so folks can print out the relevant pages for the game and bring them along.

[Alvarius]

Yeah the gall of them charging extra for shipping when they have that teleporter machine....

I wasn't talking about them charging for shipping. That's a no brainer. I ment GW making the PayPal option available for other countries but not for mine. Also the limit on the new WD distribution (not available from newsagents). I've been buying WD for over 16 years, but now, unless they change something about the current situation, I won't be able to continue buying it (sadly we're not all blessed with having a s**tload of GW stores and independant stockists around every corner).

[FireHazard]

Ok, this just popped up on my local GW store's FB page. I'm not sure if this has been addressed already, but if this shows the size of the mags side by side...

7044

... then I have a sneaking suspicion where the 'extra pages' have come from. I could of course be wrong and it could just be the way the image has been created.

Thoughts?

[Psychosplodge]

Well they kept it quiet didn't they?

[eldargal]

I really hope that isn't to scale.

[Psychosplodge]

Combined with a price rise, its looking worse and worse.

[RuneBrush]

Lol, it's been sized so that it's easier to convert to a digital publication :)

[Psychosplodge]

That may be so, but selling it as more pages when its smaller is a bit off.

[Herzlos]

They've always mentioned it as being A5 sized, but it's usually buried in the text whilst they shout about the increased page count. You're still getting about the same volume of magazine, but it's almost all photos with essentially no editorial content beyond captions.

[lattd]

I thought visions was the only one that actually had more pages?

[Psychosplodge]

They've always mentioned it as being A5 sized, but it's usually buried in the text whilst they shout about the increased page count. You're still getting about the same volume of magazine, but it's almost all photos with essentially no editorial content beyond captions.

Then it worked. But same overall for more?
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[Herzlos]

I thought visions was the only one that actually had more pages?

It does, it's got just short of double the page count. But the pages are also half the size.

The weekly is still ~A4 but only has 32 pages. Visions is about ~320 pages at A5.

[FireHazard]

Sooo... it sounds to me like the same amount of paper, for half as much again, with lots of pretty pictures but little in the way of content.

Or you can still get White Dwarf, with less pages over 4 weekly issues than in one monthly issue, for nearly twice the price.

[kingsleypark]

I was wondering the same thing. Another payment has gone out of my account yet I've heard nothing about what is happening. Pretty poor

[quindia]

Don't know if this posted anywhere else...

New Magazines Review (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4cqFbTa5qOI)

Warhammer Visions looks like complete garbage. Yes, there are some amazing photos and I like to look at that sort of thing, but I don't need 200 (smaller) pages of the stuff every month. Maybe White Dwarf weekly will be worth buying sometimes, but I won't be trying to collect every issue...

Edit... Started a new thread with the link...

[John Bower]

Now who was it said we should not judge it till we see the content? Eat thine words oh humbled one. :) For worth 7 quid it was not, by all accounts and yes I've seen pics and vids of it. Glad I didn't buy the thing.

[eldargal]

Now who was it said we should not judge it till we see the content? Eat thine words oh humbled one. :) For worth 7 quid it was not, by all accounts and yes I've seen pics and vids of it. Glad I didn't buy the thing.

Uhh, no. Not judging until we see the content is always correct. That it happens to be pretty crap after we have seen it doesn't change that.

[Lord-Boofhead]

I wasn't talking about them charging for shipping. That's a no brainer. I ment GW making the PayPal option available for other countries but not for mine. Also the limit on the new WD distribution (not available from newsagents). I've been buying WD for over 16 years, but now, unless they change something about the current situation, I won't be able to continue buying it (sadly we're not all blessed with having a s**tload of GW stores and independant stockists around every corner).

That's nice, I'd appreciate you keep MY country out of it. Not all Aussie Gamers are entitled toddlers who don't understand basic economics like shipping and exchange rates fluctuations. Oh and the fact that GW stuff is subject to Tariffs AND Luxury Tax AND the GST. But yeah its all evil GW's fault.

BTW maybe Paypal is at fault and is currently having issues with your countries laws. But again lets just lynch GW....