Horus hersey super competatvie

[kylethomsen1994]

okay so i am about to start a horus hersey army and because forgeworld is slightly more expensive then gamesworkshop im wondering what is classed as competative for 30k so i dont waist money! so what would you guys take in a 1500 list that could match the best of 40k?

[Popsical]

That's a tough question.

1) The HH army list isn't really designed for 1500pts.
2) Lots of HH units that aren't just Codex space Maureen units are expensive points wise, so your list, if you want to spam the better stuff is going to look like a standard Maureen spam list.
3) Do you want to make your army look like a legion? Or are you not bothered if it just looks like a codex Maureen army?
4) If your looking at two legion troop choices of 15-20 maureens then that's a lot of your 1500pts gone.
5) In smaller games the HH list isn't as competitive as a standard Maureen codex army due to lack of ATSKNF and combat squads, so if your going to fight all comers not just HH armies you will want to go past 2000pts to get a decent competitive list.

Start by considering these issues, then let us know where you stand ok.

[kylethomsen1994]

just want to use hersey rules for a competative list 2000 then?

[Popsical]

Like I said, can you answer the issues ive stated, as we need to get a better insight of what type of army and legion specifics.
The legions are all different and have traits that limit some foc slots and such.
Do you own the books? If not, then buy both and then read them carefully.
Oh you will need the first book for sure, the second gives you the legion specifics but isn't 100% needed for a vanilla legion list.
You've not given me enough idea of your likes/dislikes and preferences for me to give you any feedback.

Do you want a list that can be geared for:

Close combat? World eaters
Durability? iron hands
Deep strike? Sons of horus
etc, etc, etc

Do you want a Lord of war?
Do you want a drop pod army, fully mech, foot slogger?

Specifics will help lots...

[Bigred]

My first question is the same for any Legion Player - What's your Legion?

Then how fluffy do you want to make your list.

I see the entire HH range as being for the true fluff fanatics, so I tend to see people really caring about building lists that reflect their favorite Legion. If you just want to play the counts-as min-max spam-game, standard 40K does that plenty well and will save you money.

So with Heresy, always follow your passion and build your favorite army.

So who's your favorite?

[YorkNecromancer]

I've got my Iron Hands force, 2000pts of pure fluff. It's built around Techmarine Covenants with Conversion Beamers, and Dreadnought Talons with 2x Powerfists/2x Plasma Fusils. Everything else is Tactical Marines, with Land Raider transports.

Bottom line: there is no way to do a cheap Heresy-era army; the whole army list is geared towards getting you to buy as much stuff as possible. My tacticals are Mark Vs from the old tactical squad with legs taken from Anvil Industries; even with that, and regular dreadnoughts converted, I have spent quite a lot of money.

If you want Heresy, expect to spend a lot, or get real good at converting. That's just how it is.

[hisdudeness]

As Bigred said, 30k is a fluff version of the universe. I would say 30k and competitive don't really go together. Is the version viable and competitive, sure is. But the lists don't shine until over 2000, with a sweet spot at 2500.

Anything less then 2000 and you just have a 40k list with 20 man squads with no heavy weapons. I steer people that come to 30k looking for an advantage in tournaments to just keep looking.

[kylethomsen1994]

Like I said, can you answer the issues ive stated, as we need to get a better insight of what type of army and legion specifics.
The legions are all different and have traits that limit some foc slots and such.
Do you own the books? If not, then buy both and then read them carefully.
Oh you will need the first book for sure, the second gives you the legion specifics but isn't 100% needed for a vanilla legion list.
You've not given me enough idea of your likes/dislikes and preferences for me to give you any feedback.

Do you want a list that can be geared for:

Close combat? World eaters
Durability? iron hands
Deep strike? Sons of horus
etc, etc, etc

Do you want a Lord of war?
Do you want a drop pod army, fully mech, foot slogger?

Specifics will help lots...

i havent got any legion or anything i was just talking about the most competitive list nothing specific

[Xarga]

If you're just looking for the "best" list, then you're looking at it wrong (and there isn't really a best all-comers list anyway). If you want to get into 30k, do it for the love of the story, the epic battles of the Horus Heresy rather than tactical advantage (which there is little to be had over codex marines if you used them against a 40k army.)

As already iterated by popsical, what sort of theme or playstyle do you tend to enjoy or lean towards? And do you already have a preferred legion fluff wise? Both are good questions to start with.

[Rev. Tiberius Jackhammer]

i havent got any legion or anything i was just talking about the most competitive list nothing specificBut each Legion is good at different things, and have access to different units. A competitive World Eaters list and a competitive Iron Hands list would be two very different lists.

[Popsical]

i havent got any legion or anything i was just talking about the most competitive list nothing specific

As myself and my fellow posters above have stated, you need to have an idea of what you want your army to be good at. There is only one legion list, so other than choosing your preferred flavour, you have no choice to make.
You clearly dont own the books, and clearly have no idea of the benefits choosing your legion has to your army regarding focused application.
I'd suggest choosing a 40k army of new codex origin to fullfill your needs.
Forgeworld and horus heresy army lists are very fluff oriented and not designed for super competitive play.
My two best mates field HH legion lists and i field a siege vanguard, they look fantastic and are very fluffy, but wont win us any tournies for power game combos because they are fluffy and quite often uncompetitive compared to say codex eldar with tau allies etc.

[kylethomsen1994]

As myself and my fellow posters above have stated, you need to have an idea of what you want your army to be good at. There is only one legion list, so other than choosing your preferred flavour, you have no choice to make.
You clearly dont own the books, and clearly have no idea of the benefits choosing your legion has to your army regarding focused application.
I'd suggest choosing a 40k army of new codex origin to fullfill your needs.
Forgeworld and horus heresy army lists are very fluff oriented and not designed for super competitive play.
My two best mates field HH legion lists and i field a siege vanguard, they look fantastic and are very fluffy, but wont win us any tournies for power game combos because they are fluffy and quite often uncompetitive compared to say codex eldar with tau allies etc.

i know each legion has different abilities and have there own units etc i was simply asking what you thought was the most competitive out of them all! all i was asking is what you think the most competitive is!? for that question you dont need any other information

[Popsical]

Yes. And as we've stated, the list is the same for all the legions. The special rules for each legion create flavour.
However each player has styles of army that suit their way of playing, so with so many units being the same in the list, it simply boils down to YOUR play style as to which would be the most competitive. Your local meta will also effect the success of your choice.
Im not trying to be obtuse, there are going to be at least 19 different builds of legion and so far 9.
If i were fighting nids, i'd like deathguard.
If i were fighting tau i'd like world eaters or sons of horus.
If i were fighting guard id like iron hands.
The HH army list is fantastic for me as im a pure fluff bunny. I couldnt give a rats backside about super competitive. If i did, i would take a codex maureen army over a legion everyday. From a gaming perspective you should take iron hands or white scars. The reason being that you can use them as codex or HH, and those two are the current interweb netlist favourites.
So buy the books and make the choice which suits YOU most. (I dont think you should buy them as they cost alot and if your not "into" the heresy for the fluff its not worth it at all).

Oh, and merry christmas!