Pandorax and its info: MASSIVE SPOILERS!

[daboarder]

Seriously don't read this if you don't know.

Epimethius: one of the founding grey knights is actually a fallen dark angel......and a psyker....and the authors of the HH DA books are given credit at the end of the book for "what should be obvious now" so hello Zahariel, good to see you again. Piss poor ending for you though you poor *******.

We also know.
Abbadon likely meets loken again at some point in the HH story line, he states that he "watched his wayward brother die" in reference to the founding members of the grey knights......so loken is one of them but is dead in 40k (no dah!)

There are others of the unforgiven that have fallen to chaos (corpulax was a consecrator)

And finally, the fallen don't really give a damn about keeping the DA's dirty little secret.

And what Abby got out of pandorax? Oh just a little bit of the gene seed used in the creation of the original grey knights.....wow! yeah that's a massive victory for him.

[Lord Lorne Walkier]

Seriously don't read this if you don't know.


We also know.
Abbadon likely meets loken again at some point in the HH story line, he states that he "watched his wayward brother die" in reference to the founding members of the grey knights......so loken is one of them but is dead in 40k (no dah!)


Loken is not the only brother of Abbadon that made it back to Terra from Isstavan III. What if Abby killed Qruze? I think your assumption here is premature.

[daboarder]

Loken is not the only brother of Abbadon that made it back to Terra from Isstavan III. What if Abby killed Qruze? I think your assumption here is premature.

It's also potentially sevarin, but realistically you don't jump your story through a hoop (reviving loken from istvan, seriously wtf?) and then NOT have that character be pivotal.

also note that abbadon has "watched his wayward brother die" didn't necessarily do it himself and given that as far as we know the GK's we're banished to titan before the end of the heresy then its likely this was sometime in the 32nd-33rd millenium.

[Dalleron]

threadomancy warning!!

Just finished reading the book on vacay on the beach. I question whether or not is Zahariel. Yes he was psycher, but I don't recall him being one of great magnitude. But he was a psycher from the period so that works. I don't have an offering as to who it would be but Zahariel seem not important enough in my eyes, though I'm behind on my HH reading as it relates to DA.

[daboarder]

the author has a special acknowledgement to the authors of the DA HH books, with the qualification that it is for "what should be obvious by now"......pretty sus

[Lord Lorne Walkier]

We also know.
Abbadon likely meets loken again at some point in the HH story line, he states that he "watched his wayward brother die" in reference to the founding members of the grey knights......so loken is one of them but is dead in 40k (no dah!)


Loken has survived a death already so even if yo are right, in that it was Loken then Abby "watched", don't write him off so quick. We don't know the full story. Perhaps once again Abaddon thought he was dead but did not collect the head ....

Remember that Loken aka Cerberus said that "The peace of the grave will only be mine when the scales are balanced." To me that means he wont die until he has gotten his revenge.

[daboarder]

Which is why my money is on loken killing aximand

[Lord Lorne Walkier]

You think they will be even Steven if Loken kills lil Horus?

[xKonradCurzex]

Spoilers:

I have spoken to Christian, and it is Zahariel (though he is loathe to admit it hahaha). Also, he is working on a sequel. Stay tuned, folks.

[Dalleron]

I'd be more interested to see how Zahariel came to be a GK. I don't think his psychic hoodoo was all that. A chronological sequel would still be interesting.

[Jmaximum]

Well. I have no idea what's going on.
Is Pandorax a book?
And the grey knights didn't exist during the HH, right? I thought Loken, Garro, other guy, and various humans formed the Grey KNights based on Malcador's say so.
Could I ask for some backstory on this thread to fill in the blanks?
Thanks.

[daboarder]

Pandorax is a book yes

The grey knights don't exist per say, but thats when they were "founded" janus is garro, basically of note the GK's were founded by those of undeniable faith, those who kept their loyalty when all around fell to betrayl)

and part of the background suggests that Zahariel (a DA point of view character and librarian during the HH) was in fact also one of the founding members, one whothe dark angels chapter likely thinks is a "fallen angel" and then he gets turned into abbys slaanesh toy

[Dalleron]

i wonder how (and if, but i can't see it not happening) they are going to tie this book to the HH book Damnation of Pythos. Same planet just way way earlier. Perhaps they will explain how Zahariel comes to be with the GK, or at least starts on the road there.

What I'm not sure of, is when he would do so. He can't be a fallen angel yet in the HH, as the split happens after the HH. Unless I'm way off on something. How many has Malcador found thus far in the books, I'm not totally up to speed on his progress thus far.

[daboarder]

as far as I'm aware there currently is

A World Eater
A Death Guard
An Ultramarine
3 Lunar Wolves

the Imperial Fist said no and the Emperors child was killed

[Jmaximum]

I did not read the post, so apologies if this has been asked a million times, but I do not want to see any spoilers so I skipped everything prior to my post:
Is Pandorax a book, fluff in a codex? Where can I read the whole story?

[daboarder]

I did not read the post, so apologies if this has been asked a million times, but I do not want to see any spoilers so I skipped everything prior to my post:
Is Pandorax a book, fluff in a codex? Where can I read the whole story?

Its a book, available as an ebook, audiobook or paper from blacklibrary

[Jmaximum]

Which is why my money is on loken killing aximand



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It is overtly implied that Horus Aximand (Lil Horus) is killed in Nemesis (title might be wrong, but it's the HH book focusing on the assassins) by an Eversor assassin on a planet that has thrown in with Horus.



EDIT: Are you guys the authors for BK, or something? I just looked at the date of the posts, and these books (Damnation and Pandorax) didn't come out here until late last year (2014).

[Gwhizz84]

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It is overtly implied that Horus Aximand (Lil Horus) is killed in Nemesis (title might be wrong, but it's the HH book focusing on the assassins) by an Eversor assassin on a planet that has thrown in with Horus.



EDIT: Are you guys the authors for BK, or something? I just looked at the date of the posts, and these books (Damnation and Pandorax) didn't come out here until late last year (2014).

As Aximand is featured in Vengeful Spirit, set aftrer Nemesis.. not so much.

[Jmaximum]

Oh crap, I missed that connection. Or, if I posit my own reality here, maybe the author messed up in vengeful :)
But if it wasn't Little Horus who got headshot in Nemesis, who was it? As the assassins (Im assuming they were backed by a colossal amount of intel) were convinced that the SPace Marine + retinue that materialized in the city square was Horus.

[Gwhizz84]

Luc Sedirae, captain of the 8th? company

[daboarder]

any number of potential "Sons" of horus, there are a number of them in the legion afterall.

Though Im only listening to nemisis now so Im not up to that (have listened to vengeful spirit though)

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EDIT: Are you guys the authors for BK, or something? I just looked at the date of the posts, and these books (Damnation and Pandorax) didn't come out here until late last year (2014).
HAHA no, I am not.

double check which variant of the books you are looking at the release date of though, pandorax dropped pretty much with the Apocalypse 6th ed edition (little bit later as the campaign was limted ed exclusive for a bit) and Damnation only dropped last year.

On the other hand some BL authors DO post online, ADB posts significant amounts of BnC

[Jmaximum]

*Psshh* who reads copyright dates anyway LOL
But from the previous post dates, Im pretty sure the books weren't in the states yet