GW: Advent Calender

[Dlatrex]

I didn't see this up yet. From Digital Editions facebook page.

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DATASLATE: TAU FIREBLADE SUPPORT CADRE (EBOOK EDITION) $3.99
http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Tau-Fireblade-Support-Cadre.html



Tau combat doctrine places great emphasis on defeating enemy forces using superior firepower and technological advantage. At the heart of this method of warfare are their battlesuits; giant mechanical suits that are armed with the most powerful Tau weaponry. Foremost among these are the terrifying XV104 Riptide and XV88 Broadside battlesuits, capable of demolishing enemy battle lines and armour in a blaze of particle beams and howling sub-munitions.

The Tau Fireblade Support Cadre Dataslate presents the rules for fielding this advanced formation in your games of Warhammer 40,000, the cadre containing the impressive XV104 Riptide supported by six Broadside battlesuits, a terrifying prospect for any opponent to face!

Via GW Digital Facebook page

Morning all,
Day two in your 2013 Digital Advent Calendar brings a new Warhammer 40,000 formation in the form of the Tau Empire Firebase Support Cadre.

Basically, it’s a bunch of all the biggest Tau battlesuits, wielding even bigger guns.
The eBook has new background on this formidable battle group as well as extra rules for the formation when taken together.

Don’t worry if you don’t have a Tau army though, as this is a Datasheet Formation, you can add it to any force that can usually take the Tau Empire as allies AND still have your allies slot, and all the rules for the units are included. (Admit it, you always wanted a Riptide in your army.)

Apparently much like the inquisition this is independent of the 'allies slot'.

[lattd]

Even more incentive to pick up that juicy box set, just wish I had a reason to buy it as I no longer play 40k regularly :/

[Mr Mystery]

Sounds shiny!

[DarkLink]

So now you can pick between a free inquisitor or a free riptide?

[Valencourt]

Now, I am not really up on the rules for these formations that are outside of the normal formation rules but could you potentially take both an inquisitor and a riptide?

[Lord Lorne Walkier]

So now you can pick between a free inquisitor or a free riptide?

I REALY hope I get a "free" Stromtalon. If they do a dataslate for all the new model bundles like http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440270a&prodId=prod2290015a .

[SadisticMagician]

So now you can pick between a free inquisitor or a free riptide?

or both!

[Spamthulhu]

Anyone else feel like GW is just trying to squeeze every dime out of us with BS extraneous rules before they sell themselves off? These rules can't be playtested and things like this seem a bit off kilter rules wise.

[Dlatrex]

I REALY hope I get a "free" Stromtalon. If they do a dataslate for all the new model bundles like http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440270a&prodId=prod2290015a .

That is very astute! I did not even think about the direct comparison to the Tau Empire Firebase Support Cadre (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440286a&prodId=prod2290024a) product. Well, a quick run through the catalog should tell us what ~12 of these releases should include. I restate my original demands:

GW SANTA: MAKE ME A RED TERROR!!!

[kjolnir]

This is just ridiculous.

[Lexington]

Like the idea of new rules/formations, assuming they don't break things. Couple bucks per isn't a bad price, either.

Dislike the idea of special "second ally" slots for these and these alone.

[Lord Lorne Walkier]

That is very astute! I did not even think about the direct comparison to the Tau Empire Firebase Support Cadre (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440286a&prodId=prod2290024a) product. Well, a quick run through the catalog should tell us what ~12 of these releases should include. I restate my original demands:

GW SANTA: MAKE ME A RED TERROR!!!

So to continue the thought line...
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1230006a&prodId=prod2290023a


What else could even make a dataslate?

[Houghten]

A non-Apocalypse Datasheet?

What.

[Mr Mystery]

Adds variety!

Plus, I kind of like the idea of rebel Tau, acting as Mercenaries.

Or indeed, a cunning form of forward military recon!

Or for my Necrons, some seriously mind shackled dakka!

[The Dave]

A non-Apocalypse Datasheet?

What.

That's what I'm asking. If it's an Apoc Data Sheet, then it has it's own rules for fielding that in your Apoc army, whatever that includes. I'm sure people aren't forgetting that in Apoc you can bring however much of whichever armies you want as your Apoc force, with no force-org attached. In 40k, you can only bring your army, one ally, fortification(s), and if you're playing an Imperial Army you get the Inquisition stuff too (but that's it).

It says "40k datasheet" but it could still be implying "Apoc". I R Confuzled.

[Arkhan Land]

GW SANTA: MAKE ME A RED TERROR!!! this

[Defenestratus]

That's what I'm asking. If it's an Apoc Data Sheet, then it has it's own rules for fielding that in your Apoc army, whatever that includes. I'm sure people aren't forgetting that in Apoc you can bring however much of whichever armies you want as your Apoc force, with no force-org attached. In 40k, you can only bring your army, one ally, fortification(s), and if you're playing an Imperial Army you get the Inquisition stuff too (but that's it).

It says "40k datasheet" but it could still be implying "Apoc". I R Confuzled.

Apparently it has very specific information on it that specifies that its for normal games of 40k - not Aporkalypse.

[Bureaucrat]

So, it gives broadsides and riptides tank hunter (that means we have longstrike, puretide chips, and now this as anti-armor options. I have not seen this much vehicle hatred since Carron from Dawn of War) and preferred enemy space marines.

It also allows non-tau players to have broadsides and a riptide without the fire warrior/hq tax if they wanted.

I also find it a bit humorous that space marines have both hatred against and are battle brothers with this formation.

[K1rby]

Pictures and rules information here (http://www.3plusplus.net/2013/12/dataslates/).

Basically like INQ, can be used by anyone with appropriate ally level with Tau and does not take up ally slot and includes tank hunting/preferred enemy space marine Broadsides (2x3x) and Riptide.

[daboarder]

they can figure out how to give tau even MORE rules and goodies, but they can't figure out how to write an index astartes articles with rules for a legion warband.....good job GW, ****heads!

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Would you shut up about fecking Legions already? It's fairly tiresome.

[daboarder]

only cause you asked nicely TDA :p

[Lord Lorne Walkier]

Day 3! Smurf short story and Tactica Riptide. Meh.

[daboarder]

short stories are always good in my opinion, they are the lifeblood of the game.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

only cause you asked nicely TDA :p

Sorry dude, it's like Eldargal constantly raving on about Feminism. "Yeah, you've proved your point, can we stop talking about it now?"

[daboarder]

nah its all good mate, you never know if you've gone to far till someone tells you

[eldargal]

Sorry dude, it's like Eldargal constantly raving on about Feminism. "Yeah, you've proved your point, can we stop talking about it now?"

Really? You are comparing my talking about the issues that actively, negatively impact half the population with ****ing Chaos Legions? **** you.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool!

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[Katharon]

This seems like it would be a nice addition to my army. >:]

[Dlatrex]

BigRed I don't know if you want all these in a single thread?

http://www.blacklibrary.com/Images/Product/DefaultBL/xlarge/Cover-riptidetactica.jpg
http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Tactica-Riptides.html
Tactica: XV104 Riptides (EBOOK EDITION) $3.99


The XV104 Riptide is the pinnacle of the Earth caste's battlesuit development. It stands twice as tall as the XV8 Crisis suit, but its movements are more like those of its smaller cousins than the mechanical stiffness displayed by Imperial walkers with their crude servo-motors. A fearsome weapon of war, it can stand alonge against almost anything the enemies of the Tau Empire have in their arsenal.

Tactica: XV104 Riptides explores the use and tactics of the Riptide in games of Warhammer 40,000. Discover the tips and tricks for getting the most out of this impressive war machine, and how to bring ruin to the foes of the Tau Empire, as well as its weaknesses and how to defeat it.

From GW: Digital Editions Facebookpage

Day three in the 2013 Digital Advent Calendar.

We have a great little article for you today on using the Tau Empire XV104 Riptide battlesuit in games of Warhammer 40,000. There are tips on what to equip them with and some tactics to help you out in your games.
Also included are rules for the unit and advice on killing it, so it’s a useful eBook to have even if you don’t have a Tau Empire army.

We haven’t done many Tactica before, so once you’ve downloaded it and had a read, let us know what you think.

- Eddie

Ok, I might not have been as disappointed about the first two, but this is the nadir so far. Guess every day cannot be new Monstrous Creatures.:rolleyes:

[The Girl]

BigRed I don't know if you want all these in a single thread?

Yes, please. I've merged this thread with the previous.

[Dalleron]

This release does make me wonder what's going on at GW hq. More rules for taking things not in your codex, ignoring rules for allies in the brb, etc. Are sales of big flashy kits not doing well?

Selling tactica for using said big flashy kit? What? Acquire the codex, and you should be able to find out how to use it, or kill it. There is such a thing as the internet.

Additionally, there are times I wish this forum had a "like" button, a la Facebook for things like TDA's comments. :)

[DarkLink]

I bet they're doing well. But that's not to say they can't do more... well...?

[White Tiger88]

I bet they're doing well. But that's not to say they can't do more... well...?

^ GW won't be happy till they shake you upside down for every penny.......

[Katharon]

^ GW won't be happy till they shake you upside down for every penny.......

You forgot, they'll also take your clothes, give them to the Salvation Army for a tax break, and then melt your body down to make plastic glue.

[Lord Lorne Walkier]

Day 4. White scars short and Undead Datasheet. Le sigh.

[Katharon]

Day 4. White scars short and Undead Datasheet. Le sigh.

21 more days to go.

As Rick O'Connel said: "Patience is a virtue."

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[depuce]

Not sure anyone one else has noticed this but the new formations are just the new boxes GW brought out......

[eldargal]

Not sure anyone one else has noticed this but the new formations are just the new boxes GW brought out......

Hard to miss, given there is usually a link from the BL page to the formation page on GW.com.

I'm a bit underwhelmed by them so far, though I like the Skeleton box/datasheet.

[depuce]

That bit i missed :( , but the skeleton box is just too good to pass on tbh.

[eldargal]

I think you save around twenty five pounds on it as well and two would make a very solid core for a VC army (just need characters and ghouls/zombies/dire wolves)

[Mr Mystery]

Waits for Eldar one to hit, and the intertubes to implode from massed whining.

What are they whining about? Nobody knows!

What do they want? Depends who you ask.

Who are 'they'? Anyone that fancied a whine that day.

[Al Shut]

What are they whining about? Nobody knows!

What do they want? Depends who you ask.

I'm still on the fence if I should be annoyed because I don't like the whole formations as additional detachment idea, or annoyed because Tyranids still can't take any.

[Lord Lorne Walkier]

Day 5 : StormWing : new rules for Space Marine Flyer Formations in WH40k + Dark Angel short story.

[daboarder]

Day 5 : StormWing : new rules for Space Marine Flyer Formations in WH40k + Dark Angel short story.

Yay for ravens and talons that don't take slots and are BS 5.....

oh and all come in with a single reserves roll

[Popsical]

This all just makes i laff. Im kind of glad i dont game 40k anymore. The models and fluff are great, the game seems to be losing any form of refinement very quickly. Sure in your own groups you can refine what is used, but in pickup games versus a stranger its become "anything goes".

[MajorWesJanson]

Yay for ravens and talons that don't take slots and are BS 5.....

oh and all come in with a single reserves roll

Between Strafing run and Escort, how is that really different from what they can do now, besides 2 escorts instead of one?

[Fugu]

Between Strafing run and Escort, how is that really different from what they can do now, besides 2 escorts instead of one?

BS5, and not occupying any slot whatsoever.. that goes a long way, mate!

[Dlatrex]

http://www.blacklibrary.com/Images/Product/DefaultBL/xlarge/2013-12-02%2018.22.45.png
Dataslate: Adeptus Astartes Storm Wing(EBOOK EDITION) $3.99
http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Dataslate-Adeptus-Astartes-Storm-Wing.html



Like a bolt out of war-torn skies comes the Storm Wing – salvation for the Emperor’s forces, and a bane to their foes. The Adeptus Astartes Storm Wing gives Warhammer 40,000 players background information and rules that allow them to collect and field this deadly combination of fighter-craft.

For the Adeptus Astartes to achieve their rapid strike style of warfare, they need to maintain air superiority. Nothing clears the upper atmosphere better than the Adeptus Astartes Storm Wing. Two Stormtalons and a Stormraven Gunship in tight formation can unleash a hail of shot to send enemy fighters spiraling downwards. Rule the skies!

Via GW Digital Facebook page

Good morning everyone,
It's day five on our 2013 Digital Advent Calendar.
Today's addition takes the form of a new Dataslate for a Space Marine flyer formation.

What's not to love about conducting a lightning strike by a squadron of Space Marine gunships, right into the heart of the enemy army? Made all the better if you shout 'Bring the rain!' as you roll your dice (we can't guarantee you'll roll any better though, but I'm sure it will help).

Merry Christmas Lord Lorne Walkier!

[DWest]

BS5, and not occupying any slot whatsoever.. that goes a long way, mate!

It's still 500-ish points of models . . . yes they don't take up any slot, but they also don't give you any extra points to fill those open slots.

[GravesDisease]

This all just makes i laff. Im kind of glad i dont game 40k anymore. The models and fluff are great, the game seems to be losing any form of refinement very quickly. Sure in your own groups you can refine what is used, but in pickup games versus a stranger its become "anything goes".
If you are not in the hobby anymore why are you making comments in a games workshop Christmas bonuses thread?

For anyone else who has the rules: Is this formation interesting and flavourful? Does it make fielding a large non-scoring points sink tempting or advantageous?

[lattd]

I think a data slate should take up a slot on the FOC so the storm wing would be a fast attack option or the fire base a heavy slot, makes it a bit more balanced imo.

[Popsical]

If you are not in the hobby anymore why are you making comments in a games workshop Christmas bonuses thread?

For anyone else who has the rules: Is this formation interesting and flavourful? Does it make fielding a large non-scoring points sink tempting or advantageous?

In point of fact. I still love the hobby. I still buy the models and paint them. I dont play 40k at the moment as i am happy with the hobby part and im not up on 6th ed yet. So yeah i comment on gw stuff. Funny that eh.

[Gleipnir]

At least Space Wolves now have decent assortment of flyers without paying for allied HQ and Troops,

I am curious if the rules for Formations consider them as a form of Allied Detachment does that mean they cannot be used as a transport even if taken from the same codex as the one of the Primary or Allied detachments, (essentially Stormraven cannot be used as a transport at all)

[gcsmith]

So are these advent rules, "Official," or do they need opponents permission?

[The Dave]

So are these advent rules, "Official," or do they need opponents permission?

Exactly my question.

[DarkLink]

There really isn't anything that is permission only, other than forgeworld experimental rules which specifically state that.

[Defenestratus]

So are these advent rules, "Official," or do they need opponents permission?

No more than forgeworld or codex units require.

[DarkLink]

Which is to say you can refuse like any other game, you just don't get a convenient excuse beyond 'I dont feel like playing against a fifth riptide' ;).

[Paulo187]

These new "Dataslate" formation rules require even less permission from your opponent than Forgeworld stuff. You know why? Because it isn't Forgeworld!

Look at it this way, if I bring my Adepta Sororitas army to my local game store for a pickup game would it be reasonable for my opponent to only accept me playing with the old White Dwarf codex or is it normal and expected that he would be okay with me using the updated rules that I bought and downloaded from the Black Library (or Apple Store)? I can't imagine ANYONE forcing me to use the old White Dwarf rules or even the old Witch Hunters codex because they have a phobia against digital media.

Now, If I wanted to use the new Escalation or Stronghold assault I agree that I would have to get my opponent's approval ahead of time since it changes the basic game so much, but I wouldn't think twice about even asking him if it would be okay to use a "Dataslate" formation. Come to think about it, I would inform him that I was excited about using this new formation just in case he had never heard of digital downloads. I wouldn't ask for permission though. I wouldn't ever imply to him that he had the option of telling me I couldn't use it.

[deinol]

So the BS 5 is really only an extra for the Storm Raven and against ground targets. Nothing actually new there for the Storm Talons, they just grant the strafing run rules to the storm raven.

The added thing for the escort is that two talons can escort the raven, which is nice. Although I still can't outflank with them. :(

PS: Can we get this thread retitled to just be GW Advent Calendar? The #2 is going to bug my mild OCD all month otherwise, since this thread is about all of them, not the 2nd one.

[Lord Lorne Walkier]

Merry Christmas Lord Lorne Walkier!
I know right? This has me ginning form ear to ear. I can understand the frustration some have with all of this but I must say I think GW is getting this right. I can see how some could abuse this but I will make very good, very FLUFFY use of this. I acquired 2 Stormtalons and a Stormraven last x-mas, hoping that some day I could field them together. Even though the rules said quite clearly that only one Talon could escort when the codex cam out, I still had dreams of flying mine on in one group, maybe in a Apoc game. This is all I had hoped for and more, (bonus Strafing Run!) I wont feel bad what so ever when I field this and I don't think my opponent will be upset either. Sure there will be some one out there who finds a way to break the game a bit with this. Maybe they will buy 3 Stormwings and use them in a 2,000 point game. (/shiver) But that same guy would just find some other way to break the game with out this and I would never have to fight him anyway as I don't play with jerks if I can help it. Every one should just take a deep breath and wait to see what else comes out. Hopefully they will give everyone some love and they don't have to stop with this advent calendar. They could keep it going, maybe give us Squats, a Solitaire, Boar Boys, ect.


At least Space Wolves now have decent assortment of flyers without paying for allied HQ and Troops,

I am curious if the rules for Formations consider them as a form of Allied Detachment does that mean they cannot be used as a transport even if taken from the same codex as the one of the Primary or Allied detachments, (essentially Stormraven cannot be used as a transport at all)

No. The Rules say that you can transport squads from Codex: Space Marines. Blood Angles, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Grey Knights, or any other Allies are out of luck for the time being. Though you can still fly them around. The sad part of this is there is a fluff section where they give examples of how different chapters use the Stomewing and Blood angles are one of the better stories. One hand not knowing wht the other is doing I guess, or maybe a future release will fix this. I personally would have no problem with a Astates player using the Raven as a transport but im just one guy. Ask your opponent and maybe they will be ok with it.

[deinol]

No. The Rules say that you can transport squads from Codex: Space Marines. Blood Angles, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Grey Knights, or any other Allies are out of luck for the time being. Though you can still fly them around. The sad part of this is there is a fluff section where they give examples of how different chapters use the Stomewing and Blood angles are one of the better stories. One hand not knowing wht the other is doing I guess, or maybe a future release will fix this. I personally would have no problem with a Astates player using the Raven as a transport but im just one guy. Ask your opponent and maybe they will be ok with it.

Where does it say they can only transport codex: space marines? It says they count as models from that codex, but as long as you are battle brothers with marines you should be able to be transported, right? (If I'm remembering the ally rules correctly.)

[Lord Lorne Walkier]

Where does it say they can only transport codex: space marines? It says they count as models from that codex, but as long as you are battle brothers with marines you should be able to be transported, right? (If I'm remembering the ally rules correctly.)

Battle Brothers can not be transported in 6th. Also it says in the datasheet that models from Codex Space Marine that are in the same army can be transported. They went out of their way to say this.

[Bigred]

PS: Can we get this thread retitled to just be GW Advent Calendar? The #2 is going to bug my mild OCD all month otherwise, since this thread is about all of them, not the 2nd one.

Your BoLS christmas present is putting your OCD at ease... (it was bothering me too)

[Popsical]

These new "Dataslate" formation rules require even less permission from your opponent than Forgeworld stuff. You know why? Because it isn't Forgeworld!

Look at it this way, if I bring my Adepta Sororitas army to my local game store for a pickup game would it be reasonable for my opponent to only accept me playing with the old White Dwarf codex or is it normal and expected that he would be okay with me using the updated rules that I bought and downloaded from the Black Library (or Apple Store)? I can't imagine ANYONE forcing me to use the old White Dwarf rules or even the old Witch Hunters codex because they have a phobia against digital media.

Now, If I wanted to use the new Escalation or Stronghold assault I agree that I would have to get my opponent's approval ahead of time since it changes the basic game so much, but I wouldn't think twice about even asking him if it would be okay to use a "Dataslate" formation. Come to think about it, I would inform him that I was excited about using this new formation just in case he had never heard of digital downloads. I wouldn't ask for permission though. I wouldn't ever imply to him that he had the option of telling me I couldn't use it.

So you'd allow an apocalypse formation that you bring with a digital format, but try to stop your opponent using an apocalypse super heavy vehicle in a book format even tho they are both optional add ons for standard 40k? Nice no bias there eh?

[deinol]

So you'd allow an apocalypse formation that you bring with a digital format, but try to stop your opponent using an apocalypse super heavy vehicle in a book format even tho they are both optional add ons for standard 40k? Nice no bias there eh?

To be fair, adding a super heavy to the mix changes the dynamic of the game a lot more than letting someone field a few units they could already field with a few rules tweaks.

To be honest, most games require a bit of negotiation anyway these days. Building a list toward odd scenarios is a lot different than your standard pickup game. I'd be just as happy to say "no flyers" as a gentleman's agreement for most games.

[Popsical]

Not in this case deinol, those 3 fliers are worth how many points at full potential? A baneblade is worth a similar amount of points. Neither takes up a FOC slot. But you can purchase a ton of fliers which a baneblade pretty much cant hurt either. This may well be GW trying to add apoc style formations into standard 40k to balance out the supers.

[deinol]

Not in this case deinol, those 3 fliers are worth how many points at full potential? A baneblade is worth a similar amount of points. Neither takes up a FOC slot. But you can purchase a ton of fliers which a baneblade pretty much cant hurt either. This may well be GW trying to add apoc style formations into standard 40k to balance out the supers.

I'm not certain what point you are trying to make. The flyer formation is about ~450 points, depending on loadout. But can they kill a baneblade? (I'll be honest, I have no idea, I don't have the rules for a bane blade or any super heavy.) Adding strafing to a storm raven doesn't really make it any better at killing a baneblade than it was before (twin-linked multi-melta/lascannon is going to hit 88% of the time already), so I don't see how formations "balance out" super heavies.

I expect Escalation rules are going to be like Spearhead or Planetstrike rules. You don't go into a pickup game expecting to play those rules, you decide ahead of time if you are building a force for that. But we'll see what they look like once they are released.

[Popsical]

Baneblade av12 on rear. Yeah the 3 bs5 fliers will cane a baneblade over 3 to 4 turns at most. I cant see how someone would find the use of an apoc style unit acceptable only to tell another player his apoc style unit is not acceptable. Seems hypocritical. Both units are more powerful than codex units and leave the FOC alone. The 3 fliers clock in at around 510pts maxxed out pretty similar to a baneblade. Mass flier spam is just as disruptive to pickup games as a lone super hev.

[deinol]

Baneblade av12 on rear. Yeah the 3 bs5 fliers will cane a baneblade over 3 to 4 turns at most. I cant see how someone would find the use of an apoc style unit acceptable only to tell another player his apoc style unit is not acceptable. Seems hypocritical. Both units are more powerful than codex units and leave the FOC alone. The 3 fliers clock in at over 550pts maxxed out pretty similar to a baneblade. Mass flier spam is just as disruptive to pickup games as a lone super hev.

Right, which is why I said I'd rather have a gentlemen's agreement not to play with flyers for most games. Its no fun to play against a flyer heavy list if you don't have any anti-air. Its no fun to play against a baneblade if it takes your entire army 4 turns to kill it which means you aren't killing his other stuff and he's wiping out numerous units a turn. Its no fun to play against a screamer star that's got a re-rollable invuln save using biomancy/divination combo.

Any time you've got a near invulnerable unit or chunk of units on the other side, its just not a fun game. So for casual games you come to an agreement about what you want to play. For tournaments you know what is allowed and plan accordingly.

I don't think the FOC changes are really a big deal, but I've never run into problems with not having enough slots. I mean, the best heavy slot for marines is also dedicated transport, so you can get more than you have points for in a sub 2000 point game.

Also, how are you getting those flyers in the rear several turns in a row without going into hover mode and then getting blasted out of the sky? Last I checked they didn't have any of those cheap tricks eldar or CSM use.

PS: The formation only changes one of the 3 flyers to BS 5, 2 of them are already BS 5. So it really is a minor benefit. Of course, the cheese thing to do, since its another detachment, is to say "this flyer detachment is an iron hands detachment" to get free FNP despite the rest of your army being whichever you prefer.

[Darren Richardson]

You know I've been waiting for something like this for my army, in the fluff i've been working on my space marines don't use tanks as their homeworld is mostly sand or water, impractical for heavy tanks, so they devoloped an extenisive arsenal of flyers that can transport troops to make up, and this new dataslab will almost certainly be my first GW digital purchase, two of these wings will go lovely with my 4 tactical squads, devestator squad, drop pods, terminator squad and my scouts (who I still need to buy a Storm for)...

Highly Mobile army at the ready.....

Now I just have to save up and buy the box sets if they don't sell out before boxing day when I next get paid.....

And paint the whole lot which are still waiting to be painted, sigh real life is inconvienent.....

[Visitor]

PS: The formation only changes one of the 3 flyers to BS 5, 2 of them are already BS 5. So it really is a minor benefit. Of course, the cheese thing to do, since its another detachment, is to say "this flyer detachment is an iron hands detachment" to get free FNP despite the rest of your army being whichever you prefer.

There's a rule tucked in there that says the storm wing doesn't get any benefit from chapter tactics, so no iron hands it will not die.

[deinol]

There's a rule tucked in there that says the storm wing doesn't get any benefit from chapter tactics, so no iron hands it will not die.

I'm not seeing that. On the other hand, vehicles don't get chapter tactics on their own so they would need a model with the iron hands chapter tactics in the same detachment, which they can't get since the formation detachment is all vehicles.

But yeah, with the advent of armies allying with themselves (basically) I'm not real concerned about expansions to the force org chart. The only important thing these days is the two troops + HQ requirement, there are ways to get just about anything else you want. And over 2k double force org makes limitations even more pointless.

[Visitor]

The digital editions facebook page says it's waiting approval for the ipad version but it's in the mobi already.

Quoting from facebook it's “Independent Formation: The Adeptus Astartes Storm Wing Formation does not benefit from the Chapter Tactics special rule, but units from Codex: Space Marines that are included in the same army can begin the game embarked on the Stormraven Gunship, and can embark on it during the game.”

Excerpt From: Games Workshop Ltd. “Dataslate - Storm Wing.” iBooks.

[deinol]

The digital editions facebook page says it's waiting approval for the ipad version but it's in the mobi already.

Quoting from facebook it's “Independent Formation: The Adeptus Astartes Storm Wing Formation does not benefit from the Chapter Tactics special rule, but units from Codex: Space Marines that are included in the same army can begin the game embarked on the Stormraven Gunship, and can embark on it during the game.”

Excerpt From: Games Workshop Ltd. “Dataslate - Storm Wing.” iBooks.

Odd, because I have the interactive ipad version, and it doesn't say that anywhere in mine. It may be it'll get an update to match.

[Lord Lorne Walkier]

Right, which is why I said I'd rather have a gentlemen's agreement not to play with flyers for most games. Its no fun to play against a flyer heavy list if you don't have any anti-air. Its no fun to play against a baneblade if it takes your entire army 4 turns to kill it which means you aren't killing his other stuff and he's wiping out numerous units a turn. Its no fun to play against a screamer star that's got a re-rollable invuln save using biomancy/divination combo.

Any time you've got a near invulnerable unit or chunk of units on the other side, its just not a fun game. So for casual games you come to an agreement about what you want to play. For tournaments you know what is allowed and plan accordingly.
<snip>





This I don't get. Flyers are a part of the game just as much as are Chariots or Skimmers. Every army has units that are there only to shoot them down. If you play a army with no AA, then its your fault if you get overwhelmed not your opponent. The Super Heavies are totally different. There is no Defense fore Str D weapons. To equate them is wrong. To be clear I would play against a supper heavy and probably get whipped off the table just for the fun of it, but if I agreed to play with some one and they pulled one out, with out prior agreement, I would have a real bad taste in my mouth. If I lost to a Flyer list I would just not let that happen again by making sure I had a flyer or a AA tank next time, easy fix.



Also, how are you getting those flyers in the rear several turns in a row without going into hover mode and then getting blasted out of the sky? Last I checked they didn't have any of those cheap tricks eldar or CSM use.

I have thought I would try and use a librarian with the invisibility psyker power to keep my Raven in one piece.

[gory_v]

It's def enables choices for marine players now. It's been mentioned over and over that elites and heavies are congested so now you don't require an allied HQ or troops choice to grab a raven. In my current fists list I'm using the 3 slots for dev squads, an allied in thunderfire, and now I can grab a raven if I really want one with the talons I already planned on taking. Does it mention anything about chapter tactics since IH vehicles get the IWND?

[iamian]

well, apparently my DA can have a stormraven and pair of storm talons now...

[Bigred]

Latest from the tubes:

6th: Warlords of the Dark Millennium: Tigurius
7th: Battlescroll: Creatures of the Chaos Wastes
8th: Dataslate: Eldar Ghost Warriors
9th: Battlescroll: Crypt Scavengers
10th: Index Chaotica: Terminus Est
11th: Dataslate: Centurion Siegebreaker Cohort
12th: Dataslate: Reclusiam Command Squad
13th: Warlords of the Dark Millennium Vulkan He’stan
14th: Warhammer: Vanguard Clash

UPDATED: Scroll down

[Lord Lorne Walkier]

It's def enables choices for marine players now. It's been mentioned over and over that elites and heavies are congested so now you don't require an allied HQ or troops choice to grab a raven. In my current fists list I'm using the 3 slots for dev squads, an allied in thunderfire, and now I can grab a raven if I really want one with the talons I already planned on taking. Does it mention anything about chapter tactics since IH vehicles get the IWND?

“Independent Formation: The Adeptus Astartes Storm Wing Formation does not benefit from the Chapter Tactics special rule, but units from Codex: Space Marines that are included in the same army can begin the game embarked on the Stormraven Gunship, and can embark on it during the game.”

[gory_v]

Well bummer, no IWND on the formation....may try it out regardless. 2 talons and a raven ain't nuthin to ef with if you didn't come ready for it.

[Lord Lorne Walkier]

Well bummer, no IWND on the formation....may try it out regardless. 2 talons and a raven ain't nuthin to ef with if you didn't come ready for it.

The Raven gets Strafing run... if both Talons stay alive.

[Darren Richardson]

Warlords of the Dark Millennium: Tigurius has just been released this morning and can now be downloaded

http://www.blacklibrary.com/2013-advent

[Dlatrex]

Just adding to Darren's link

http://www.blacklibrary.com/Images/Product/DefaultBL/xlarge/2013-12-04%2015.50.59.png
From GW Digital Editions Facebook page:

Hey Everyone,
The 6th day in our 2013 Digital Advent Calendar brings a new instalment [sic] in the Warlords of the Dark Millennium series.
The new addition focuses on Tigurius, Chief Librarian of the Ultramarines. It's a great little read if you're a Space Marine fan, and also includes loads of new detailed artwork of his equipment and wargear.

I had not noticed these before as a 'series' but I guess they are just background information rather than tabletop info!

[Bigred]

Latest intel:


Day 7 : Creature of the chaos wastes : New rules to add a host of marauding monsters to your WHFB army + Space wolves short story
Day 8 : Ghost Warriors : New formation rules for the undead wraith constructs of the Eldar + World Eater short story
Day 9 : Crypt scavengers : Something wicked stirs from the garden of death (WHFB) + Blood Angels short story
Day 10 : Index chaotica terminus est + Typhus short story
Day 11 : Centurions siegebreaker cohort (+ Lysander short story)
Day 12 : Reclusiam command squad (+Draigo short story)
Day 13-14 are just new fluff. (Vulkan and WHFB Lizardmen)
Day 15 : Warlords of the Dark Milienium : Dante - Dante Short Story
Day 16 : Warlords of the Dark Milienium : Champions of chaos - Lucius short story
Day 17 : Carnage, 4 players mission for 40k - Kantor short story
Day 18: Warlords of the Dark Milienium : Sicarius - Sicarius Short Story
Day 19: On contamunated ground, Apoc mission - Abbadon short story
Day 20: Munitorum vol I - Calgar short story
Day 21: Kill Team - Gabriel Seth short story
Day 22: WHFB Blood in the snow - Bjorn short story
Day 23: WHFB scrolls of binding compendium - The sanguinor short story
Day 24:Warlords of the Dark Milienium : Masters of the dark angels - Sammael short story
Day 25: Data slate CYPHER - HH Cypher short story

[Defenestratus]

So. Eldar Ghost Warriors and Tau shooty whatever slate...

the rest of the releases are pure power armored fapfest.

Well... I guess thats what sells .. *grumblegrumblegrumble*

[Sanowahn]

Will the "Kill Team" be for Deathwatch? Some Rules for them would be nice *can´t wait*

[Hello1701]

As a DA player who has shelved my robed army because of a lacked good flying options I really like the stormtallon and raven dataslate. Looking forward to the Eldar ghostwarriors and then my Christmas Cypher.

[Katharon]

I'm surprised that there are not more Dataslate entries coming out.

[ersatzgnomes]

So. Eldar Ghost Warriors and Tau shooty whatever slate...

the rest of the releases are pure power armored fapfest.

Well... I guess thats what sells .. *grumblegrumblegrumble*

Quoted for truth

[Lord-Boofhead]

We'll ignore that big Daemon then shall we?

Also stop your kvetching at least its something spare a thought for the WFB players out there...

[Deadlift]

We'll ignore that big Daemon then shall we?

Also stop your kvetching at least its something spare a thought for the WFB players out there...

This is true, but I still think these should have been freebies to download or a selection included in WD for December. I very rarely criticise GW, but this kind of thing could really improve White Dwarfs content.

[Dlatrex]

From Yesterday:
http://www.blacklibrary.com/Images/Product/DefaultBL/xlarge/2013-12-04%2015.21.23.png


Ghost Warriors are called to war only in times of great need, the Eldar reluctant to disturb the slumber of their ancestors. However, as the Eldar’s numbers dwindle and their foes grow strong, the Farseers and Warlocks must seek out the dead to do battle in their steed.

Dataslate: Eldar Ghost Warriors details the rules and background of a Ghost Warrior formation, when the Eldar gather together the ghosts of their ancestors and send them into battle. Containing Wraithguard, Wrathblades, Wrathlords and the mighty Wraith Knight, a Ghost Warrior formation is a formidable Eldar war host, easily able to bring ruin and death to its foes.

From GW Digital Editions Facebook page:

Hey All,
Christmas day approaches yet closer, and another door opens on the 2013 Digital Advent Calendar.

Today's title is a new Dataslate for Eldar Ghost Warriors. In Warhammer 40,000, fatal injuries aren't so much a hindrance, as an opportunity to pilot a giant mechanical death-machine (see also: Dreadnoughts), and this Dataslate lets you add a whole formation of formidable Eldar wraith constructs to your army.

[Orange]

Who cares about objectives now when you can run train with a Baneblade, Wraithguard, Riptides and Stormravens?

[Dimitrios]

How is this fundamentally different to Iyanden?

[Deadlift]

How is this fundamentally different to Iyanden?
The formation gets a couple of special rules that are specific to only those models. Also even if you have a spirit seer I don't believe the wraith guard in the formation would be able to hold objectives as they don't count as being troops.

[Dlatrex]

http://www.blacklibrary.com/Images/Product/DefaultBL/xlarge/2013-12-04%2010.34.30.png

Games Workshop: Digital Editions $4.99 (http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Terminus-Est.html)

The Terminus Est is a blight upon the Imperium, a plague ridden flagship of Typhus, once of the Death Guard Legion. Built before the Horus Heresy, the ship was used during the Great Crusade, and was a beacon of righteous hope in the early years of the Imperium. However, after its fall to Chaos, it became a reminder of the treachery of the Traitor Legions and the insidious power of Chaos. Index Chaotica: Terminus Est details the long and vile history of the Terminus Est, bringer of plague.

About This Series:
Though the Chaos Space Marines were once heroic defenders of Mankind, each has sold his allegiance to the Dark Gods in return for surreal and twisted powers. The Index Chaotica series explores their fall from grace, their fell abilities and their bloodthirsty wars, along with the violent champions that lead them in their search for eternal glory.

If only it was a dataslate for BFG! ;)

[Lord-Boofhead]

There are already rules for this in BFG...

[Dlatrex]

Apocalypse!

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Assault Centurions are a powerful weapon in the armouries of the Adeptus Astartes, able to smash apart enemy fortifications and open the way for full-scale assaults. Combined with Ironclad Dreadnoughts, many Space Marine Chapters use them to form Centurion Siegebreaker Cohorts, ideal for cracking open stubborn enemy defences.

Warhammer 40,000: Apocalypse – Centurion Siegebreaker Cohorts presents a new formation for your games of Apocalypse. The ideal counter to enemy strongpoints, the Centurion Siegebreaker Cohort is a righteous hammer with which to shatter your opponent’s fortification

From GW Digital Editions Facebook page:

Today’s new advent title is a new Apocalypse formation for Space Marines.

The Centurion Siegebreaker Cohort is the last word is siege warfare. If your enemy has built the ultimate impregnable fortress, these are the guys you call to kick the door in (or the wall, they’re not picky).

You can download Centurion Siegebreaker Cohorts here:

eBook edition:
http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Advent-2013

[Dlatrex]

For just $3.99! (http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Reclusiam-Command-Squad.html)

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Chaplains march to war at the head of Command Squads, their faith and righteous rhetoric exhorting their fellow battle-brothers to fight with the fury of the Emperor himself. These retinues are made up of veterans whose combat skills are mirrored by their tactical and strategic brilliance, each one having served his Chapter though decades of war and blood. It is a great honour for a battle-brother to be included in such a formation, fighting under the watchful gaze of the Chaplain as he does the Emperor’s work.

Dataslate: Reclusiam Command Squad details the rules and background of this formation allowing you to field it in your games of Warhammer 40,000.

From GW Digital Editions Facebook page:

Hey everyone,
It’s Day 12 on the 2013 Digital Advent Calendar and today’s title is a new Space Marines Dataslate - Reclusiam Command Squad.
Space Marine Chaplains have to rank amongst the most iconic figures in Warhammer 40,000, and this formation allows you to add one of these skull-faced, maul-wielding zealots into your army, along with a squad of Space Marine Veterans and their trusty Razorback

[MarneusCalgar]

So tomorrow we will see Salamanders, won´t we?

[gory_v]

Is anyone buying em? I'm actually curious about the rules for this one if it makes chaplains viable....as they are now there's hardly any reason to take one.

[Dlatrex]

Right on schedule..

http://www.blacklibrary.com/Images/Product/DefaultBL/xlarge/2013-12-05%2015.04.35.png


Warlords of the Dark Millennium: Vulkan He’stan takes a closer look upon the Forgefather of the Salamanders Chapter of the Adeptus Astartes.

As Forgefather, it is Vulkan He’stan’s solemn duty to retrace the footsteps of the Salamander’s Primarch. It is a quest to seek and recover the nine technological relics forged by the mighty Primarch of old, and hidden throughout the galaxy for his progeny to find. For over 7,000 years, a single Forgefather at a time has been assigned the monumental task of searching for the powerful artefacts. Over those millennia, five of the items have been recovered – including one by Vulkan He’stan himself.

About This Series:
The galaxy burns with the fires of countless wars and conflicts, heroes and villains leading their armies in endless battle against their foes. Warlords of the Dark Millennium explores the history, wargear and fighting styles of some of the galaxy’s most powerful warriors.

From GW Digital Editions Facebook page:

Hey Everybody,
Friday the 13th today, unlucky for some.
But not it you’re a fan of the Salamanders Chapter because released today is a new installment in the Warlords of the Dark Millennium series all about Vulkan He’stan.

This eBook contains new background on the Forgefather of the Salamanders Chapter, as well as detailed annotated illustrations of his wargear.

You can download your copy here:
http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Vulkan-Hestan.html

- Eddie
— at Vulkan He'stan.

[zenjah]

A bit of a glimpse into the future:

http://i43.tinypic.com/x6d85l.jpg

I'm curious about Kill Team. Does it look like a story or rules?

http://i43.tinypic.com/f2rmls.jpg

Also curious about Carnage, a 4 player 40k mission.

http://i40.tinypic.com/2ivf8jm.jpg

[Kirsten]

I have bought a few of them, the stories are too short, only a few pages, and I didn't like the voice actor for the kharn audio book.

[Katharon]

Is anyone buying em? I'm actually curious about the rules for this one if it makes chaplains viable....as they are now there's hardly any reason to take one.

They're good for assault oriented armies.

[Dlatrex]

Señor Dante. I do like the art they have for the covers...

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All fear the Angel of Death! Lord Commander Dante – the Bringer of Sanguinius’ Light – rules over the storied Blood Angels Space Marine Chapter. Even amongst the most honoured Imperial Commanders of the 41st Millennium, Dante is a living legend. His heroic service to the forces of the Imperium has lasted for well over a millennia. He is believed to be the longest serving loyalist Space Marine that exists outside of those interred within Dreadnoughts. Now, with Warlords of the Dark Millennium: Dante, you can find out more about the origins, history and famous deeds of this noble champion of the Adeptus Astartes.

From GW Digital Editions Facebook page:

Happy Sunday everyone,
With only 10 days to go until Christmas, today's 15th title in the 2013 Digital Advent Calendar is a new instalment in the Warlords of the Dark Millennium series that focuses on the Chapter Master of the Blood Angels.

This book is a great resource for Blood Angles fans. It chronicles Date's rise to Chapter Master, from his induction into the Blood Angles as a boy, through the many wars he has waged in defence of the Imperum to become the the iconic leader he is today.

The book also features some beautifully illistrated images of his weapons and wargear (master-crafted naturally, only the best for the Lord of Angels)

You can download the new eBook here:

http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Dante.html

[Mr Mystery]

I'm mostly excited by the Warhammer Scrolls of Binding one, because I effing love big monsters, me!

Plan for next years spending is purchase one of each plastic fliers, counting each variant as an additional purchase, and one of each plastic Warhammer monster!

[Wolfshade]

I so want Dante book.

[Toyz n the Hood]

I'm curious about Kill Team. Does it look like a story or rules?



I was at Kill Team Maximus at Warhammer World yesterday and spoke with one of the guys there. It's a set of Kill Team rules - including six new missions, updated specialist rules and new break test rules (models now test individually rather than the whole team).

I'm really looking forward to it - it's like Hope in the Pandora's Box of advent!

If any of you want to know more about Operation Maximus m review is here - http://toyznthehood.com/634/maximus-carnage/

[Takerukau]

Well the new Dante book was a bit disappointing. They took away his no scatter DS and hit and run. They did lower his points cost, but it kind of robs the idea of the most talented strategist in the imperium when you take away his tactical flexibility. I mean, he's got an initiative of six but he will always strike last because of the axe, and he can't hit and run anymore so the high initiative really has no point at all anymore. As a lifetime Blood Angel player, and a big fan of Dante, I'm a bit sad about the changes. I'd rather pay more points and have the flexibility :/

On a side note, for the points he costs now, he's quite a bargain. A BA captain with a jump pack, power weapon, and infernus pistol costs 155. Dante is now 165, but has the 2+ armor save, higher stat line (in general), and still has the Death Mask of Sanguinius. It's certainly cost effective but still not my favorite way to play him.

So far as the fluff goes, they kind of went a bit dark with his story. They emphasized this new idea of his "accidental success" and a kind of made his rise to power an exercise in the old spanish inquisition gag. It just didn't fit the spirit of the codex bio's that have been there since 3rd edition and before.

My favorite Dante build was to keep him with some Sanguinary Guard, add a priest, and add a librarian (decked out with prescience and another Div power, and all with Infernus Pistols) and DS behind the biggest tank/monster around and kill it in one round. Expensive, but effective :) That's all going to change now. I'll likely still run him so I can have SG as troops and all that, but that's going to force me to make some serious changes to how I field him.

I just hope that they don't ruin Mephiston :(

[daboarder]

Well the new Dante book was a bit disappointing. They took away his no scatter DS and hit and run. They did lower his points cost, but it kind of robs the idea of the most talented strategist in the imperium when you take away his tactical flexibility. I mean, he's got an initiative of six but he will always strike last because of the axe, and he can't hit and run anymore so the high initiative really has no point at all anymore. As a lifetime Blood Angel player, and a big fan of Dante, I'm a bit sad about the changes. I'd rather pay more points and have the flexibility :/

On a side note, for the points he costs now, he's quite a bargain. A BA captain with a jump pack, power weapon, and infernus pistol costs 155. Dante is now 165, but has the 2+ armor save, higher stat line (in general), and still has the Death Mask of Sanguinius. It's certainly cost effective but still not my favorite way to play him.

So far as the fluff goes, they kind of went a bit dark with his story. They emphasized this new idea of his "accidental success" and a kind of made his rise to power an exercise in the old spanish inquisition gag. It just didn't fit the spirit of the codex bio's that have been there since 3rd edition and before.

My favorite Dante build was to keep him with some Sanguinary Guard, add a priest, and add a librarian (decked out with prescience and another Div power, and all with Infernus Pistols) and DS behind the biggest tank/monster around and kill it in one round. Expensive, but effective :) That's all going to change now. I'll likely still run him so I can have SG as troops and all that, but that's going to force me to make some serious changes to how I field him.

I just hope that they don't ruin Mephiston :(


ummm this is a "warlord" book, not an errata nor is it a "dataslate" they can claim he doesn't get those things all they want but until they update the FAQ's my codex says he does.

It also sounds like crap that his rise and prowess are the result of chance, I mean this is the guy who marneus calgar admitted was a better general.

[Lexington]

So far as the fluff goes, they kind of went a bit dark with his story. They emphasized this new idea of his "accidental success" and a kind of made his rise to power an exercise in the old spanish inquisition gag. It just didn't fit the spirit of the codex bio's that have been there since 3rd edition and before.
It's actually kind of shocking what the Publications arm is allowing in/doing to 40K's background lately. Say what you want about the willy-nilly rules releases of the past few months, but there's at least a sales logic to it. There's no rhyme or reason to what Publications does with the background - it just seems like there's an in-house style guide that mandates dull, tasteless writing for the hell of it.

[Takerukau]

ummm this is a "warlord" book, not an errata nor is it a "dataslate" they can claim he doesn't get those things all they want but until they update the FAQ's my codex says he does.

It also sounds like crap that his rise and prowess are the result of chance, I mean this is the guy who marneus calgar admitted was a better general.

There are no updates to the FAQ that I know of (I have been checking....). I don't know why else they would release rules with the dataslate unless it was meant to supersede something, but if I can get away with the old way I'd prefer to do so. Does anyone have the digital codex to see if they updated it there?

It's hard to see Dante as the tactical genius that the lore up to this point has emphasized if he's lost all tactical flexibility :/ Especially with the updated marines and their various chapter tactics rules and the buffs that their leaders give. I don't know what they are thinking...

[Takerukau]

It's actually kind of shocking what the Publications arm is allowing in/doing to 40K's background lately. Say what you want about the willy-nilly rules releases of the past few months, but there's at least a sales logic to it. There's no rhyme or reason to what Publications does with the background - it just seems like there's an in-house style guide that mandates dull, tasteless writing for the hell of it.

I have to agree with you there. The recent stuff has been very inconsistent with the lore as I've known it over the last umpteen years. The sales logic is there (aside from the fact that we are paying out the nose for less these days) but the writers can't keep their stories straight half of the time.

One big example is the new Mephiston book that came out. I enjoyed the book, but it left me wishing a few things. For one thing, it has Mephiston using the shield power in close combat (which he can't technically use... but more on that in a second). Then there's the presence of Blood Angel Chapter stormtalons (which Blood Angels aren't allowed to field in the actual game....). Add to that the fact that Mephiston uses all of the powers listed in the codex, but the Vanilla Codex doesn't let him use any others besides the ones listed in his entry. It's an awesome read, but to a dedicated BA player like me it makes me wish the game matched the book more.

[Takerukau]

until they update the FAQ's my codex says he does.
.

On that note still, even the FAQ's are kind of broken. Take Mephiston for example. If you decide to not go with the codex powers, according to the FAQ he can only take two of the standard powers in the rulebook. So, for the same points cost, you are losing access to a psychic power. What's up with that? All of the other Chief Librarians in the dex's at least knew ALL of their powers, but Meph only knows 3 of his own dex and has to lose one to take something else.

... sorry... rant over... (for now)

[daboarder]

There are no updates to the FAQ that I know of (I have been checking....). I don't know why else they would release rules with the dataslate unless it was meant to supersede something, but if I can get away with the old way I'd prefer to do so. Does anyone have the digital codex to see if they updated it there?


its not a dataslate

[Dalleron]

I have but one comment regarding Mephiston. Is he not effectively ML3. Unless it was changed in the updated digital version, he could cast 3 powers. The FAQ was probably referring to normal libby's as they know 2 spells, regardless of their level.

[Takerukau]

I have but one comment regarding Mephiston. Is he not effectively ML3. Unless it was changed in the updated digital version, he could cast 3 powers. The FAQ was probably referring to normal libby's as they know 2 spells, regardless of their level.

The FAQ Entry reads: PSYCHIC POWERS
A Blood Angels Librarian (including Mephiston) may use the
psychic disciplines found in the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook,
instead of those in Codex: Blood Angels. If he does so, generate
two new powers from the Biomancy, Divination, Telepathy or
Telekinesis disciplines (in any combination) before armies are
deployed.

So it is saying he defaults to two powers if he chooses the rulebook's powers. It even has it that way on the GW Psychic app :/

[Takerukau]

its not a dataslate

Okay call it a "Warlords" profile then, but whatever it is it still shows different rules and a different character profile with a different points cost. As a career pessimist, I worry that an astute/aware TO or another player would allow me to field the "old rules" even if I paid the points for it. I'd like to just say "no I don't like this so I'm not doing it" but I guess it'll depend on the sportsmanship of the player I'm facing.

[daboarder]

Okay call it a "Warlords" profile then, but whatever it is it still shows different rules and a different character profile with a different points cost. As a career pessimist, I worry that an astute/aware TO or another player would allow me to field the "old rules" even if I paid the points for it. I'd like to just say "no I don't like this so I'm not doing it" but I guess it'll depend on the sportsmanship of the player I'm facing.

Ask him where it ever tells you it replaces the rules in the codex, as far as I'm aware it doesn't until it does its nothing but a monumental typo.

[Takerukau]

Ask him where it ever tells you it replaces the rules in the codex, as far as I'm aware it doesn't until it does its nothing but a monumental typo.

I definitely agree with the "monumental typo" statement. It's hard enough playing a dedicated melee army in 6th edition without them nerfing my favorite characters more than the current edition rule set did on its own. While it can be fun to develop new strategies, I do like to have some dependable awesomeness to put on the field

[deinol]

Then there's the presence of Blood Angel Chapter stormtalons (which Blood Angels aren't allowed to field in the actual game....).

They can if they buy the Storm Wing Dataslate.

[Takerukau]

They can if they buy the Storm Wing Dataslate.

Yes but the Storm Wing dataslate didn't exist when the book was released this year.

Yes if I buy the dataslate, then buy the models for the formation, and then try to fit them in my list (points-wise), then I can use stormtalons. I'd much rather just be able to field a talon independently without having to use the full formation. They took the Stormraven and shared it with all of the jealous vanilla marines, and I'd just like them to return the favor ;) that's a rules update I can get behind!

I don't want to risk going too far off topic in this thread to gripe about the limited anti air that BA's have (yes, I know I can take allies, but I'd rather not have to) in their codex, I was just trying to illustrate an inconsistency that the writers of these rules/expansions/what-have-you's have with the lore of the characters they are building these for.

Honestly, I think it's cool that they are adding so much content to the game, and I enjoy the flexibility that some of these formations and scenarios allow and I think it could make for some cool games with a lot more variety with the right crowd (i.e. not cheese-farming opportunists that inevitably show up at tournaments), but at the same time I wish they thought it through a little bit more. If I were to wait by holding my breath for GW to explain the reasoning behind some of their business moves and why this is good for the game I'd likely pass out.

Ultimately I guess it's up to us to decide what is cool and what we want to use in our games, and we'll have to trust and leave it up to the T.O.'s to figure it out for tourneys. I'm SOOO glad I'm not a TO right now lol

[deinol]

Yes but the Storm Wing dataslate didn't exist when the book was released this year.

Yes if I buy the dataslate, then buy the models for the formation, and then try to fit them in my list (points-wise), then I can use stormtalons. I'd much rather just be able to field a talon independently without having to use the full formation. They took the Stormraven and shared it with all of the jealous vanilla marines, and I'd just like them to return the favor ;) that's a rules update I can get behind!


At least once the Blood Angels get a 6th edition codex they'll likely get access to Storm Talons and the anti-air tanks. Poor Dark Angels can't buy stalkers/hunters this edition. But that is the problem with not having all the Marines in one Codex, because of course now you have to wait until after Tyranids, Imperial Guard, and Orks at the very least.

To be honest, they are updating the codexes as quickly as they feasibly can, so its hard for me to complain. But I play Eldar and a Raven Guard successor, so I've got more than enough to keep me busy a while.

[Dalleron]

I'm aware what the BA FAQ says. I also don't put much stock in them unless it's an errata. Those are published house rules as far as I go, even if they are on the GW website. Meph can cast 3 powers a turn says his codex, thus he's ML 3, so knows 3 powers that you can roll for. I'll easily give that to an opponent.

[Dlatrex]

More Warlords

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Among the champions of the Dark Gods there are some names that carry with them a long and terrible history of blood and death. Abbadon the Despoiler, Lucius the Eternal, Typhus the Herald of Nurgle, Ahriman, Huron Blackheart, Fabius Bile and Khârn the Betrayer are counted among these, their names a curse upon the lips of those that have crossed their path. Almost every vile deed committed by the forces of Chaos since the Horus Heresy can be laid at their feet. They are the generals, warlords and champions of the Traitor Legions, and they will not be sated until the Imperium is no more.

Warlords of the Dark Millennium Champions of Chaos brings together the exciting backgrounds of the most notorious champions of the Dark Gods.

From GW Digital Editions Facebook page:

Hey All,
The 16th addition to the 2013 Digital Advent Calendar is Warlords of the Dark Millennium Champions of Chaos.
This eBook collects together all six current Chaos Space Marine installments in the series and also adds a new one with Khârn.

You can download the eBook here:

http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Champions_of_Chaos.html

- Eddie

[pgarfunkle]

I'm aware what the BA FAQ says. I also don't put much stock in them unless it's an errata. Those are published house rules as far as I go, even if they are on the GW website. Meph can cast 3 powers a turn says his codex, thus he's ML 3, so knows 3 powers that you can roll for. I'll easily give that to an opponent.

Unfortunately this is an errata not an FAQ.

Re the Dante Warlords file I was on the fence about buying this as a Blood Angel player but if they have screwed up his background and made a massive typo with his rules its not happening.

If they are going to nerf my Warlord at least have the good grace not to charge me for it.

Another thought could be that this is an option and that you could choose to field him as either the Codex entry or as the Warlords entry with the Warlords entry representing him as a Captain of the Blood Angels rather than Commander. Does the new profile refer to him specifically as Commander? (Aw bless, look at me grasping at straws lol)

[Dalleron]

i was talking about Mephiston.

Dante and all the issues seem to have been fixed going by the comments on the little story about it. Same rules appear to be back.

[daboarder]

Almost every vile deed committed by the forces of Chaos since the Horus Heresy can be laid at their feet.

SIGH! really, stupid absolutes. Honestly how long has it been since chaos just smashed someone, never mind stupid sat morning villain ultimate goal bull****, I want a story like the word bearers books where chaos straight up curb stomps and unambiguously wins.

[RGilbert26]

Panic over guys regarding Dante, seems GW Digital slipped up when they made the Warlords of the Dark Millennium: Dante book.


Evening GW Digital, quick question regarding the Dante release for today.

Apparently I am told it contains rules which are different to the Book/Digital codex. Do these 'rules' override the codex or are they just there by 'mistake'?


Hey Robert,
Our bad, a couple of Dante's rules were just missed. His rules haven't changed at all from his Codex incarnation.

- Eddie

[Dlatrex]

Welcome back, cover from 5th edition. And now a 4 player mission! This should prove interesting...

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Not all battles are fought between two opposing armies, sometimes multiple factions will find themselves vying for the same objective. In these brutal and bloody confrontations, the battlefield will become a boiling melee of mayhem and madness. Each commander must weight the pros and cons of their every assault, committing forces against one foe sure to weaken them against another. In such circumstances, the result is nothing less than carnage!

Warhammer 40,000: Carnage is an exciting mission for four-player games of Warhammer 40,000, where you must keep a close eye on your opponents, make temporary alliances to complete your goes, but never forget that there can only be one victor.

From GW Digital Editions Facebook page:

Hey Everyone,
The 17th title in the 2013 Digital Advent Calendar is a new four-player Mission for Warhammer 40,000.
‘Carnage!’ is a brutal game that pits your army against three opponents in furious all-out war.
Alliances will be made and broken, blood will be spilt, for there can only be one victor.

You can download the eBook edition of this new Mission here:
http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Carnage.html

Or pick up the interactive edition from the Apple iBookstore.
https://itunes.apple.com/gb/book/warhammer-40-000-carnage!/id776121043?mt=11

This Mission is great fun, so once you’ve played a game with it, post up a battle report and let us know how you got on.

We hope you like it.

- Eddie

[Takerukau]

Panic over guys regarding Dante, seems GW Digital slipped up when they made the Warlords of the Dark Millennium: Dante book.

No one was happier than me to see it change. I still have screenshots of the old way lol just so that people don't think I'm crazy!

On that note, I do hope that the right hand starts figuring out what the left hand is doing. Not to be nickpicky or anything (tooooootally being nitpicky....) but there are still several things that just kind of make me facepalm with this. For one thing, the armor diagram shows the chapter symbol on the wrong pauldron. Plus they made his armor looked all cracked like it's going to fall apart. Then they talk about all of his gear being master crafted, which is not true (the pistol is not master crafted like it used to be). On that subject, I found it interesting that they did call it a "perdition pistol" like it was back in 3rd/4th editions. Odd.

On the subject of the releases, I picked up the Carnage Scenario. Honestly, I look forward to trying it out with a few guys from my group down here. That isn't to say that we have pretty much come up with identical scenarios on our own instead of paying for one, but hey, maybe I'll get lucky and the TO at my local store will throw one of these in there for fun :)

[Takerukau]

i was talking about Mephiston.



Yeah I'm not sure which situation you are referring to, but regardless the official rules for Mephiston now limit him to 2 powers when he opts for non-codex powers. The general rulebook allows a power per mastery level, but defers to the "more specific" FAQ in the Errata section of the GW page. Ultimately though, running the standard Meph build isn't so bad.

I did get lucky once on the biomancy table for him and got Iron Arm and Warp Speed. Needless to say... he was an absolute beast! Unfortunately with random power generation you can't count on that kind of awesomeness every time.

[Vangrail]

So the chaos warlords one. Did it change any rules at all?

[daboarder]

So the chaos warlords one. Did it change any rules at all?

No, but these aren't written by the rules team, they are written by the BL authors.

For example ADB wrote the Dante one and some of the other blood angel ones.

[RGilbert26]

Vangrail, even if there are 'rules' in the character books (note they are not dataslates) you are supposed to ignore them and use the one's in your codex.

[Dlatrex]

More Warlords

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Captain Cato Sicarius is the commander of the storied Ultramarines 2nd Company, and many also believe that he is the heir apparent to Chapter Master Marneus Calgar. Sicarius’ titles include Master of the Watch and Knight Champion of Macragge, and his list of battle honours fills many tomes. In Warlords of the Dark Millennium: Sicarius, you can learn more about this heroic leader of the Adeptus Astartes, including his origins, gear of war, and many of his most famous battles, such as his dismantling of Waaagh! Zanzag, and his assault upon the Necron tomb world of Damnos.

Forward, for Macragge and the Emperor!

From GW Digital Editions Facebook page:

Hey Everyone,
Today’s new eBook for the 2013 Digital Advent Calendar is a new instalment in the Warlords of the Dark Millennium series.

We hope you like it:

http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Sicarius.html

- Eddie

[Mr Mystery]

Not now Cato!!

http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4871769723634713&pid=1.7

[Vangrail]

Question on the dante download thing. Some people i was talking to said it referred to him as captain and not commander. So could it be different rules for him earlier in his career?

[Dalleron]

The whole Dante thing was a gigantic typo. Its the same character with all the rules from the codex. It really is expanded background for him. I believe they fixed the rules and points for him.

[Dlatrex]

Such is life on Volg. A trip to Fenksworld anyone?

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Many worlds of the Imperium are toxic death traps anathema to all life. Infantry and unprotected troops quickly succumb to the poisonous clouds and caustic soil of these places, their flesh falling from their bones as their lungs blister and burn. Only tanks and armoured vehicles can hope to wage war on these cursed battlefields, rumbling or stomping across the sizzling ground as they trade blasts through the thick deadly atmosphere.

Warhammer 40,000: Apocalypse – On Contaminated Ground is a new mission for Warhammer 40,000 Apocalypse set on toxic death world, where armoured war machines are the only things that can survive in the noxious air for long.

From GW Digital Editions Facebook page:

Hey Everyone,
Put on your rad-suits and buckle into your lead-lined armored tanks because today’s new title in the 2013 Digital Advent Calendar is a an Apocalypse mission set on a blasted nuclear wasteland (or should that be a post-Apocalypse mission?)

Apocalypse is pretty deadly at the best of times, but then the very air itself is deadly to anything short of a Dreadnought, you have the recipe for some of the bloodiest and most deadly tank battles the galaxy has ever seen.

You can download the eBook here:
http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/On-Contaminated-Ground.html

Or pick up the interactive edition from the Apple iBookstore:
https://itunes.apple.com/gb/book/apocalypse-mission-on-contaminated/id777696775?mt=11

We hope you like it!
- Eddie

[Arkhan Land]

Tight I miss the old Armour only battles from the WD of yore, this is what I always wanted out of spearhead and escalation, big, fast, deadly games

[Dlatrex]

...6 Bolters ROARING. Did any of the other versions include sounds?? This meets up with the other thread (http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?36059-What-Sounds-do-Your-Army-s-Weapons-Make&highlight=sound+guns)!

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The 41st Millennium is a time of unrelenting warfare and battle, every race striving to crush its foes with bigger and more dangerous weapons. Centuries of carnage have given rise to countless horrific creations, the Imperium and its enemies capable to making guns and bombs capable to laying waste to whole worlds.

Munitorum: Volume I details some of the most iconic weapons of the 41st Millennium, from volatile plasma guns and flesh tearing chainswords to skull busting power fists and physic bending grav-guns. Also inside are many equally deadly alien weapons, like the repellent Tyranid fleshborer or bizarre bomb squigs.

Sound Effects Included!
This eBook also includes sound effects for many of the weapons covered including the thunderous blast of a volcano cannon, the chilling howl of a banshee mask and the gruesome sound of someone being eaten alive by a fleshborer beetle.

From GW Digital Editions Facebook page:

Hey Guys,
Today’s new title in the 2013 Digital Advent Calendar is a collection of all our existing Munitorum series into one handy eBook.

What’s particularly cool about this edition is that it contains sound effects for many of the weapons covered. These include everything from the thunderous blast of a volcano cannon to the chilling howl of a banshee mask.

The individual sounds are also included as MP3 files (our producer Sarah has already picked out the gruesome sound of someone being eaten alive by a fleshborer beetle as her new ringtone.)

We hope you like it.

http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Munitorum-Volume-I.html

- Eddie

[Mr Mystery]

Hella tempted by that one!

Because if I ever get a missus, I could set the Banshee mask as her specific ringtone....

[Takerukau]

Hella tempted by that one!

Because if I ever get a missus, I could set the Banshee mask as her specific ringtone....

I shoult TOTALLY do this for my ex-wife....

[DarkLink]

A funnily large number of contractors I work with have a barking dog as their boss's ringtone.

[Dlatrex]

...5 Killing Teeeeeaaaammmmms!;)
Following Sovereigns post, for completeness sake.

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Not all battles in the 41st Millennium are massed engagements between lumbering armies and towering war machines. In the shadows of these epic conflicts, squads of elite soldiers clash - their missions no less vital, their foes no less deadly. Designated as Kill Teams by the Imperium, or by a myriad of different names for their alien and daemonic counterparts, they are small bands of warriors tasked with specialised battlefield objectives. Whether it is blowing up an enemy power supply, stealing critical secrets or assassinating a vital target, a Kill Team will almost always be out numbered and outgunned. However, as elite warriors, they can rely on the fact that they will be up to the task – or they will die in the attempt!

Warhammer 40,000 Kill Team is a whole new way to play games of Warhammer 40,000. Using only a handful of warriors, players can undertake perilous missions of sabotage, assassination and stealth. Inside, you will find a collection of new rules, outlining how to create Kill Team squads, and new missions to test your skills.

From GW Digital Editions Facebook page:

Hey Everyone,
We have a great new tittle in the 2013 Digital Advent Calendar today.
Kill Team is a way to play smaller squad-based games of Warhammer 40,000.
These allow you to recreate the uncounted smaller engagements that take place in the 41st Millennium, from blowing up an enemy power supply, stealing critical secrets or assassinating a vital target.
These smaller games are incredibly good fun, and perfect if you don't have a huge amount of time, but still want to get in a quick game of Warhammer 40,000.

This is a completely new edition of Kill Team. Those who've played the in the past will find a host of new options with which to customise their Kill Team, as well as new abilities for their team's leader.
There are also six new Kill Team Missions to add huge variety to your games.

You can pick up the eBook Edition here:
http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Advent-2013

Or download the interactive iBooks edition from the Apple iBookstore.
https://itunes.apple.com/gb/artist/games-workshop/id536481148?mt=11&uo=4&at=10lqaZ

We hope you like it.

- Eddie

[Dlatrex]

...2 Grandmasters

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There are few Space Marine Chapters that can rival the long and gloried history of the Dark Angels Chapter of Space Marines. Beneath the guise of duty and a taciturn nature, however, the Dark Angels hide a sinister secret, known only to their highest ranking officers. These Masters of the Dark Angels lead their Chapter in two wars – that against the enemy of the Imperium, and another secret war against their failings from the distant past.

In Warlords of the Dark Millennium: Masters of the Dark Angels you will find extended background information on the Supreme Grand Master Azrael, the Grand Master of Librarians – Ezekiel, Master Interrogator Chaplain Asmodai, Belial – Grand Master of the Deathwing, and Sammael – the Grand Master of the Ravenwing. Never forgive, never forget…

From GW Digital Editions Facebook page:

Happy Christmas Eve Everyone!
Our penultimate title in the 2013 Digital Advent Calendar is a collection of all the Dark Angels titles in the Warlords of the Dark Millennium series.
It covers Asmodai, Belial, Sammael, Ezekiel and of course the Grand Master of the Chapter Himself, Azrael.
Each character is covered in detail, from his induction into the Chapter, to the famous battles of his history and his rise to become a warrior of the Chapter's Inner Circle. Each section also includes detailed and annotated illustrations of the character's weapons and wargear.
All in, this is a great resource for any Dark Angels fan.

You can download your copy from here:
http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Masters-of-the-Dark-Angels.html

We wish you all a great Christmas tomorrow, and we hope you can find time between the turkey, presents and festivities to check out the final title in our Calendar.

Merry Christmas everyone!

- Eddie

[DarkLink]

190pts for Infiltrate, Shrouded, Hit and Run. Has its uses. Stick him with Draigo and 10 Paladins or 6 Centurions and laugh.

[Dlatrex]

...And a pistol toting angle who's green!
Here's the official announcement.

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The individual known as Cypher is one of the greatest mysteries in the war-torn future. His motives and methods are inscrutable. The few who even know of his existence are unsure if he Mankind’s bitterest enemy, or a lost pilgrim seeking atonement. Cypher is a being wrapped in shadow, an entity whose every move is cloaked in mystery. The Dark Angels have sought out Cypher since the fall of Caliban – their old homeworld. Over those many millennia, they have caught up with their quarry many times, but each time Cypher has inexplicably eluded them.

Rumours and legends about Cypher follow wherever he appears – and that can be anywhere across the galaxy. He has been sighted in each of the Imperium’s five segmentum, materialising as if from nowhere. Wherever he surfaces, he brings with him death and destruction, although whether he is the culprit or merely a herald of woe is often unclear. And wherever Cypher turns up, more of the mysterious Fallen Dark Angels are sure to follow.

About This eBook
Dataslate: Cypher – Lord of the Fallen delves more deeply into the background of the strange enigma of Cypher. It also contains complete rules to add Cypher to your Warhammer 40,000 battles, either alone, or alongside a force of Fallen Angels.

Also included are three new Altar of War Missions to try out, and three new Echoes of War missions that let you re-enact pivotal events and battles from Warhammer 40,000 history.

When it comes to Cypher, nothing is definitive – but this Dataslate captures the most details thus far…


From GW Digital Editions Facebook page:

Hey Everyone, and Merry Christmas to you all,

The 25th and final title in the 2013 Digital Advent Calendar is now available to download.
Cypher: Lord of The Fallen sees the return of one of Warhammer 40,000's most mysterious characters.
He is a hero to some, villain to others, and the nemesis of the Dark Angels Chapter.

This dataslate is our biggest yet.
It contains an extensive history and background section that gives new insights into the Dark Angels Chapter, the origins of the Fallen Angels, and of course, Cypher himself.
There are new rules to use this warrior alongside a huge number of Warhammer 40,000 armies, including Chaos and Imperial forces, either alone, or at the head of a force of other Fallen Angels.
The Dataslate also includes six new missions: three new Altar of War scenarios for any army to use, and three themed Echoes of War missions, to reenact pivotal events from Warhammer 40,000 history.

Cypher: Lord of the Fallen is a must read for fans of the Dark Angels, but equally great for anyone interested in the wider mysteries of the 41st millennium, or just anyone who wants to add this shadowy twin-pistol-totting gunslinger into their army.

You can download the eBook here:
http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Cypher.html

Or download the interactive edition from the Apple iBookstore:
https://itunes.apple.com/gb/artist/games-workshop/id536481148?mt=11&uo=4&at=10lqaZ
(It might be a couple of hours before this book is available on iBooks in all territories)

We hope you like it!
- Eddie

[Popsical]

Ive never noticed before that cypher is actually a relative of Dwayne Dibbly!
Still no problems opening bottles of beer in his house eh?

[FTGT]

Ive never noticed before that cypher is actually a relative of Dwayne Dibbly!
Still no problems opening bottles of beer in his house eh?

Yeah, the close ups of the model aren't very flattering. The rules are definitely pretty cool fluff-wise, but I don't know that it'll be a competitive meta-breaker like everyone sees the Tau Firebase of Missiles.

[MrBo]

Yeah, the close ups of the model aren't very flattering. The rules are definitely pretty cool fluff-wise, but I don't know that it'll be a competitive meta-breaker like everyone sees the Tau Firebase of Missiles.

Dont much care if it's meta breaking, however finally being able to infiltrate my 3 units of chosen (melta, plasma and flamer respectively) with one unit being shrouded is simply awesome!

[Popsical]

Is he an emo maureen, or angry maureen?
What is he like stat wise? Is he able to lead fallen angles against the emo angles and win versus azreal etc?

[MrBo]

Is he an emo maureen, or angry maureen?
What is he like stat wise? Is he able to lead fallen angles against the emo angles and win versus azreal etc?
think chaos lord, chapter master stats except ws7bs10,I8 and costs 40 points less than a csm land raider, can be taken by CSM , most imperials and marines except dark angels (DA pursue him opponent gets extra points for capture, or you get points for his escape if DA are present in opponents army, there are more conditions to be met but too much to spell out here).
12" bubble to his dataslate units roll his ld and ATSKNF. personal rules ATSKNF, fleet ,hit and run, infiltrate,IC blazing weapons,divine protection and shadowy herald of strife.His sword that is never drawn gives EW and shrouded

Edit , sorry dataslate formation, cypher + chosen(elite) 1-3 units all have infiltrate cannot take marks
if he is taken by himself he doesnt use a foc slot but is considered hq

[DarkLink]

He's basically decent in short range shooting, overwatch (at full BS, btw), and assault, though not very good for his points, but he also grants Hit and Run, Shrouded, and Infiltrate.

[Popsical]

Sounds like a good hq choice for an army to fit around. Im sute chaos maureen players will find a way that he sucks. But thats life.

[Rajden]

I find it ironic that the only army not able to field Cypher is the the one with most players inrerested in him... From a gaming perspective, it's quite stupid. :P

[daboarder]

He's basically decent in short range shooting, overwatch (at full BS, btw), and assault, though not very good for his points, but he also grants Hit and Run, Shrouded, and Infiltrate.

I;ve been thinking about sticking him in a squad of scoring chosen with a peppering of plasma, need to run the numbers but with the MoN that could be hard to shift and still hurtful, not to mention largely immune to sweep too. if chosen are too pricey a squad of plague marines would rock with shrouded, infiltrate and FnP

[Tynskel]

Put him in a BA Tactical squad.

FNP for the squad (priest) and hit and run + shrouded. That's not bad all around.

[Mr Mystery]

I find it ironic that the only army not able to field Cypher is the the one with most players inrerested in him... From a gaming perspective, it's quite stupid. :P

Except that Chapter are actively hunting him down

[Rajden]

Except that Chapter are actively hunting him down

Yeah, alltough all fallen angels are not necessarily tainted. One could say it might be fair to represent some fallen dark angels with dark angel rules.

[daboarder]

Yeah, alltough all fallen angels are not necessarily tainted. One could say it might be fair to represent some fallen dark angels with dark angel rules.

you want to run fallen dark angels? suck it up and play the CSM book

[Mr Mystery]

Yeah, alltough all fallen angels are not necessarily tainted. One could say it might be fair to represent some fallen dark angels with dark angel rules.

Except they wouldn't have Ravenwing, Deathwing, the fighter craft or the Speeder variants, as that's all post-Heresy.

[Bigred]

Ravenwing is certainly Heresy Era, as is IronWing,

Those two formations appeared in EPIC Space Marine which was set in the Heresy.

I'm uncertain about Deathwing. Certainly their white color came later, but the formation itself (in original chapter black) may be of Heresy vintage.

Damn it Mr.Mystery I was going to bed and now I'm off to dig through decks of old EPIC company cards...

[Bigred]

BAM! I'm a wizard - 5 minutes!

6408

[Lord-Boofhead]

Those two formations appeared in EPIC Space Marine which was set in the Heresy.

Wrong Adeptus Titanicus the first edition of Epic was set during the heresy. Space Marine and Titan Legions the 2nd and 2.5th editions of Epic were set during the normal 40K times.

[Lord-Boofhead]

Yeah, alltough all fallen angels are not necessarily tainted. One could say it might be fair to represent some fallen dark angels with dark angel rules.


Nah Non Tainted Fallen are just CSM with no marks and no VotLW...

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Twas' a thing of beauty that's for sure ;
6415

[Popsical]

Wrong Adeptus Titanicus the first edition of Epic was set during the heresy. Space Marine and Titan Legions the 2nd and 2.5th editions of Epic were set during the normal 40K times.

My copy of Space marine was set in the Horus Heresy. Lucky me.

[Popsical]

Twas' a thing of beauty that's for sure ;
6415

Truth! Possibly the finest game GW ever made.
And if i had the foresight 10 years ago to see where 40k is now, i would have bought the game instead of restarting 40k.

[bfmusashi]

I don't think Space Marine was set during the Heresy as only the daemon primarchs were around, the Marines were in chapters, Inquisitors were running about, and it was the Imperial Guard, not the Imperial Army.

[deinol]

I don't think Space Marine was set during the Heresy as only the daemon primarchs were around, the Marines were in chapters, Inquisitors were running about, and it was the Imperial Guard, not the Imperial Army.

Actually, I think it was set in the Heresy (because Titans aren't nearly as common in 40k) but back then they didn't have 30+ Horus Heresy novels and a ton of Forgeworld material detailing all the distinctions between 30k and 40k, so it effectively played (and could easily be played as) large scale 40k battles. I wouldn't read too much into canon from Space Marine fluff. I mean, they've got Squats.

Also, I would so buy a ton of Epic stuff it it was ever re-released properly.

[Popsical]

I don't think Space Marine was set during the Heresy as only the daemon primarchs were around, the Marines were in chapters, Inquisitors were running about, and it was the Imperial Guard, not the Imperial Army.

My copy of Space marine was definately HH. Im sure it even had flags etc.
Its where my love of the luna wolves started.
Later GW released 40k era stuff too.
Dammit! Im tempting myself. STOP!

[bfmusashi]

I looked it up, because I also remembered there being two different boxes for Space Marine. The first edition, with the Salamanders on it, was set in the HH. The second edition, with the Ultramarines on it, was set in 40k. That the entire Epic line was compatable up until Armageddon makes it impossible to use as a dating tool. You can plunk Hive War into any of them and mock the entitlement to continuity.