limits on posting armylists

[SON OF ROMULOUS]

Is there a way to limit the number of army lists an individual can post? like seriously i like Bols but come on.... every day i come on to look at the threads i check for new posts and if you move into the army list its the same pushing down threads that actually want imput.... just wants rates... Seriously i dont want to rate your lists i want to be able to talk to someone about their lists i want to have a back and forth i do not want to read you no changes only rate lists.... is that so hard i want to see lists for those who actually want to talk about their lists not your waste of everyone time rate only crap.

[Popsical]

+1 to this.
Seemingly an endless stream of spam filled lists created just for power ratings of 1 to 10.
Really? Any fool with an ounce of 40k knowledge, knows which units are uber powerful and that spamming the bejeesus out of them might be "awesome"!
The fact that said person wants replies that are just a number from 1 t0 10 kind of defeats the purpose of having a forum to discuss stuff.

[Wolfshade]

7

[Popsical]

Lol. How do we get a 10?

[Wolfshade]

But seriously, I made a post awhile ago somewhere that I can't find that without some indication of how you intend to use the list and some idea of who you are playing or if it is an all-comers list there is little point.

Also if you I give a list a "rating" it is solely withing the environs that I play, also surely there needs to be some form of justification, which would be criticism/advice which has been requested not to include. So I don't know.

[Wolfshade]

Lol. How do we get a 10?

Wouldn't you like to know ;)

[Aspire to Glory]

Spamming army lists has got to be a violation of something.

[Popsical]

Wouldn't you like to know ;)

Doesnt the song go: "i would do anything for love, but i wont do that"?

[Mr Mystery]

Or you could counter spam with meaningless ratings.

I rate this thread as 4.3029 Weasels.

[Denzark]

I agree. I looked at the spammed requests for 'ratings' and thought without context, it is a pile of piffle. The quantity is also slightly vexing.

But then I thought we could either give it a serial ignoring, or alternately just all go on and put numbers in at random.

These numbers of course do not have to be between 1-10. Maybe he'll get the message?

[Popsical]

Lol. Many giggles were caused by that suggestion MM.

Actually i seem to remember the said offender getting quite miffed with me for saying his lists were boring.
Maybe we should all just reply "boring"?

[Wolfshade]

Spamming army lists has got to be a violation of something.

Common decency, I don't know.

The trouble with spamming is sometimes it is quite thematic. If I am running a green tide, then I will be running as many mobz of 30 byz nob with pklaw bosspole, similiarly a DoA BA army spamming assault squads.

Though I do like taking a horde list without vehicles to face melta spam :) oh that melta really hurt, damn how am I going to replace that grot?!

I think if you have a unit that is very good at doing something then it is natural to have some level of redundancy, and if you have decided that unit X is the best at it then it makes sense to include multiple units of that type. Though some lists you look at them and go, well you've just picked the same unit several times, there really isn't much to say about it. Similiarly, when people start to post high points list, there really is no point in my Rate my 34k of BAs. As it has everything in it, to a less extreme version I think at 2,000 pt level this is also the case, though the ability to make allies has made this more interesting, but a single FoC at 2000pts should include enough of everything.


Doesnt the song go: "i would do anything for love, but i wont do that"?
Maybe it should be "but I wo'n't pay that"

[Wolfshade]

Or you could counter spam with meaningless ratings.

I rate this thread as 4.3029 Weasels.

fool that is easily e^2 pinemartins.

[Mr Mystery]

NOOB!

Everyone knows the correct conversion is 53.2094 Alpacas to 1 Pinemartin.

No wonder your zoo is in such a state!

[Denzark]

Cirkey DM the price of Pinemartens has gone up I blame eurozone rodent fluctuation on a particularly vicious outbreak of hardened Deutschmark Coypu.

[Mr Mystery]

Indeed.

Ever since the Norwegian Lemming Mines closed down there's been rampant Seal inflation.

[Tyrendian]

...what kind of mad genius did I just read? :D
the kind of discussion about ratings you just had would probably be one way to respond to what this thread was originally about by the way... anyone want to try? :D

[Wolfshade]

Also watch out for painted stoats being passed off as pine martins. Seal inflation is just a seasonal problem and can be controlled with club stocks.

[Mr Mystery]

Well indeed.

Always look for the watermark on your Pinemarten.

[knas ser]

Has anyone tried just politely suggesting stopping to the poster in question? In all likelihood it's simple enthusiasm and they don't know that people are pissed off. It's the Internet - no-can see you grimace or the groan in your voice when you reply. On the World Wide Web, everyone is autistic. This poster could be anyone from an eleven year old kid just discovered the hobby to your mum. Oftentimes, direct feedback is needed, not just hoping they happen across a thread where they will (probably to their surprise) find a lot of people complaining and making jokes about them.

[Mr Mystery]

Has anyone tried just politely suggesting stopping to the poster in question? In all likelihood it's simple enthusiasm and they don't know that people are pissed off. It's the Internet - no-can see you grimace or the groan in your voice when you reply. On the World Wide Web, everyone is autistic. This poster could be anyone from an eleven year old kid just discovered the hobby to your mum. Oftentimes, direct feedback is needed, not just hoping they happen across a thread where they will (probably to their surprise) find a lot of people complaining and making jokes about them.

2.68034 pre-Death Star Alderaans.

[ElectricPaladin]

So, personally, I really like army lists. I don't always comment on them, but I learn a lot by reading army lists and posting my own army lists. I think that one of the things I like about BoLS - and dislike about, say, Dakka Dakka and Advanced Tau Tactica - is that you can post an army list here and expect it to get some attention. If an army list gets ignored here, it's probably because there's nothing wrong with it and you just need to play it out and see how it goes.

Now, I understand that there's some new guy posting the equivalent of "Look at me! Look at me! Won't somebody please RATE MY LIST!?" Those threads are kind of annoying, sure, and I find myself ignoring them.

Let me introduce you to a brand-new online tool. It's free to download - you just have to Google it. It's called "Not Reading the ******* Thread."

If you install No Reading the ******* Thread on your computer, you can just not read the threads that annoy you. I'm not a computer guy and I don't know how it works, exactly, but it involves not clicking on things. It's really technical. But it's kind of amazing.

There's also a pay version called "Clicking on 'Mark All as Read'" which makes it so that you can't even see those threads in some ways of viewing the forum. I know that paying for software is kind of lame these days, but if Not Reading the ******* Thread isn't good enough for you, you could try Clicking on Mark All as Read.

Let me know how it goes for you.

[Mr Mystery]

4 Caribou.

[Popsical]

My 5 iguanas beats your 4 caribou

[Denzark]

3 Spavined Hedgehogs.

[Popsical]

A little cappibara.

[Mr Mystery]

-27 Scorpions.

[Wolfshade]

Popsical, Mystery, Denzark are you sure you aren't Horsemen?

[Popsical]

18 fetterred flame chickens.

[40kGamer]

The main thing I get from reading army lists is an intro to what spam I may see on the tournament scene.

And I raise 1 chupacabra and .5 of a bigfoot

[Tuatara]

And I raise 1 chupacabra and .5 of a bigfoot

.5 of a bigfoot = 2 x Big toe

[Popsical]

1 large orange orangutan. Oook!

[40kGamer]

.5 of a bigfoot = 2 x Big toe :p


1 large orange orangutan. Oook!

Snap that primate with 1 rubber chicken

[Denzark]

Popsical, Mystery, Denzark are you sure you aren't Horsemen?

I've been referred to as a Swordsman but never a horseman...

[Popsical]

:p



Snap that primate with 1 rubber chicken

Bloody rubber chickens! Plastic turkeys for crimbo.

[SON OF ROMULOUS]

For me it all goes to what the hell is the point in posting a thread where you have no discussion you want rated? like seriously this isn't Facebook your not gonna get likes or dislikes on your army lists... then you waste my time by telling me to rate your stupid *** list but that I'm not allowed to tell you why i think its boring or why i think it will suck or why your a jackass for posting a list every 12 hours....

I know i like reading lists and trying to figure out why your taking x over y. and if you've noticed i don't post on any of that idiots threads for that very reason. you want approval but not discussion well f that your not getting my rate with out me being able to say change this or change that you don't like it go fly a kite.

[Popsical]

In case you hadnt noticed, most of us agree.
However its a free world, and if this guy wants to post bland non conversational tripe every 12hrs then hes able to until he gets bored or the mods give him a message.
It certainly seems like the guy just wants to write the cheesiest most spam filled list possible for every dex and hope we all confirm it.
Shirley his best bet would be to start a thread titled "the cheesiest lists possible for each race".

[40kGamer]

I like spam. :p

[chicop76]

WOW. Been away for awhile and I know exactly who you are talking about. Guess they must have made a ton of spam list. Haven't visited the army list section yet.

However If I do post a list I would like feed back about it. If I didn't want feed back why bother posting the list. I for one like hearing suggestions and have changed list due to them. I mean I may ignore the three riptide list as a suggestion for example.

Typically I try to keep my list between a model count of 70-100 models. I find at this number they don't make the game too long and can overwhelm armies with like 10 models in it.

I get feedback when I play against other list, but the net I get more information that I can be easily overlooked.

I tend to try to create a useful list that can handle any army imaginable.

[Akaiyou]

So, personally, I really like army lists. I don't always comment on them, but I learn a lot by reading army lists and posting my own army lists. I think that one of the things I like about BoLS - and dislike about, say, Dakka Dakka and Advanced Tau Tactica - is that you can post an army list here and expect it to get some attention. If an army list gets ignored here, it's probably because there's nothing wrong with it and you just need to play it out and see how it goes.

Now, I understand that there's some new guy posting the equivalent of "Look at me! Look at me! Won't somebody please RATE MY LIST!?" Those threads are kind of annoying, sure, and I find myself ignoring them.

Let me introduce you to a brand-new online tool. It's free to download - you just have to Google it. It's called "Not Reading the ******* Thread."

If you install No Reading the ******* Thread on your computer, you can just not read the threads that annoy you. I'm not a computer guy and I don't know how it works, exactly, but it involves not clicking on things. It's really technical. But it's kind of amazing.

There's also a pay version called "Clicking on 'Mark All as Read'" which makes it so that you can't even see those threads in some ways of viewing the forum. I know that paying for software is kind of lame these days, but if Not Reading the ******* Thread isn't good enough for you, you could try Clicking on Mark All as Read.

Let me know how it goes for you.


^^ I don't think people understand how forums work, so their brain wouldn't be able to process such common sense logic.

Lol since you guys decided to go all out and believe me it IS funny. Let me clarify a few things

1. I probably own more stuff than a lot of you, (about 70,000 pts worth of 40k stuff) from 12 out of the 15 current armies (black templars no longer counting as a separate faction)

A) If you only play Tau, you'll only ever need to post 1 thread about your Tau army. I remember the days when I only played Tyranids (my main army) knew them inside out and only asked about stuff related to Nids.

B) If you own more than just Tau, but are the type of player that ONLY plays the flavor of the month. You've shelved your Orks in favor of putting out your lovely riptide spam. Then you probably still only ask for comments on Tau. Because you are a bandwagoner (i'm sure many of you know the type)

C) If you are like me, and own more than just Tau and cycle through your armies regularly. You're likely to own not nearly as many points of your 'alternate' armies as you do of your main army (tau) so considering that these are alternate armies, you are very unlikely to buy new stuff for them and furthermore depending on how many you own, it becomes harder to "know" them as thoroughly inside out as you could perhaps claim to know your 'main' army.


So let's assume for argument's sake that you are one of these class C players. With several armies which you cycle through and don't intend to buy new things for, but need help judging how effective your army would be, or if it's something that you should play just to have a laugh/be thematic

#1 - Suggestions on what to 'change' in the army would become pointless, because you don't own every single thing in the codex and you don't want to buy new things. This applies to EVERYONE who isn't trying to buy new stuff, suggestions are simply pointless to anyone who doesn't have the cash to buy what he doesn't already own.

#2 - On the other hand a review of what you DO own or intend to run is incredibly useful to you detailing flaws and strengths, perhaps some advice on which armies to avoid with said list or which armies you'd fare best against. After all NO WHERE IN THIS FORUM DO THE RULES SAY EVERY RESPONSE HAS TO BE ABOUT CHANGING SOMEONE'S LIST

#3 - You'll likely be looking for advice on individual army lists for several factions. If you play 2 days out of the week, and you get 2 or 3 games in while cycling through armies. It stands to reason that you'll need help on just more than 1 or 2 lists. Mathematical Logic meet the internet!


Now I gotta admit i'm not even upset this is actually funny to read. Though not nearly as clever as the complaints i've seen in BoLs article's comment section. Yet pretty funny. For your information I have not been 'warned' by mods, because I have not broken any rules. Yet this thread is clearly off topic for the forum, so seems to me like the OP here clearly has not understood the reasoning for an army list section.

So again let me point out, this is a similar argument between Fluff players - TAC players and WAAC players. Just because someone enjoys the game in a different way to yours doesn't mean that YOUR way is the correct way. By that same token, If I post a list and do NOT want people to turn it into the same list that they advice everyone else to run because I am not looking to run it at a tournament I am well within my right.

In an army list forum there's different kinds of feedback you can offer. It does not always have to be 'take out those firewarriors, replace them with kroot. drop the stealth team and add as many riptides as your wallet can afford, also drop the etheral and add a commander with no weapons and every signature system you can buy'

Try offering constructive feedback based on what someone does own or wants to run for a change. Maybe then the internet can get rid of the stigma of everyone's list looking awfully similar and be filled with tournaments where there's an overwhelming percentage of the same exact army list with a very small dosage of sprinkled flavor. If i wanted to play the same **** everyone is playing I would've stuck with Chess.

Now internet I know how you usually follow up on common sense and logical arguments that you don't agree with. So have at it tear me a new one with your uber-awesome sense of maturity.

[chicop76]

^^ I don't think people understand how forums work, so their brain wouldn't be able to process such common sense logic.

Lol since you guys decided to go all out and believe me it IS funny. Let me clarify a few things

1. I probably own more stuff than a lot of you, (about 70,000 pts worth of 40k stuff) from 12 out of the 15 current armies (black templars no longer counting as a separate faction)

A) If you only play Tau, you'll only ever need to post 1 thread about your Tau army. I remember the days when I only played Tyranids (my main army) knew them inside out and only asked about stuff related to Nids.

B) If you own more than just Tau, but are the type of player that ONLY plays the flavor of the month. You've shelved your Orks in favor of putting out your lovely riptide spam. Then you probably still only ask for comments on Tau. Because you are a bandwagoner (i'm sure many of you know the type)

C) If you are like me, and own more than just Tau and cycle through your armies regularly. You're likely to own not nearly as many points of your 'alternate' armies as you do of your main army (tau) so considering that these are alternate armies, you are very unlikely to buy new stuff for them and furthermore depending on how many you own, it becomes harder to "know" them as thoroughly inside out as you could perhaps claim to know your 'main' army.


So let's assume for argument's sake that you are one of these class C players. With several armies which you cycle through and don't intend to buy new things for, but need help judging how effective your army would be, or if it's something that you should play just to have a laugh/be thematic

#1 - Suggestions on what to 'change' in the army would become pointless, because you don't own every single thing in the codex and you don't want to buy new things. This applies to EVERYONE who isn't trying to buy new stuff, suggestions are simply pointless to anyone who doesn't have the cash to buy what he doesn't already own.

#2 - On the other hand a review of what you DO own or intend to run is incredibly useful to you detailing flaws and strengths, perhaps some advice on which armies to avoid with said list or which armies you'd fare best against. After all NO WHERE IN THIS FORUM DO THE RULES SAY EVERY RESPONSE HAS TO BE ABOUT CHANGING SOMEONE'S LIST

#3 - You'll likely be looking for advice on individual army lists for several factions. If you play 2 days out of the week, and you get 2 or 3 games in while cycling through armies. It stands to reason that you'll need help on just more than 1 or 2 lists. Mathematical Logic meet the internet!


Now I gotta admit i'm not even upset this is actually funny to read. Though not nearly as clever as the complaints i've seen in BoLs article's comment section. Yet pretty funny. For your information I have not been 'warned' by mods, because I have not broken any rules. Yet this thread is clearly off topic for the forum, so seems to me like the OP here clearly has not understood the reasoning for an army list section.

So again let me point out, this is a similar argument between Fluff players - TAC players and WAAC players. Just because someone enjoys the game in a different way to yours doesn't mean that YOUR way is the correct way. By that same token, If I post a list and do NOT want people to turn it into the same list that they advice everyone else to run because I am not looking to run it at a tournament I am well within my right.

In an army list forum there's different kinds of feedback you can offer. It does not always have to be 'take out those firewarriors, replace them with kroot. drop the stealth team and add as many riptides as your wallet can afford, also drop the etheral and add a commander with no weapons and every signature system you can buy'

Try offering constructive feedback based on what someone does own or wants to run for a change. Maybe then the internet can get rid of the stigma of everyone's list looking awfully similar and be filled with tournaments where there's an overwhelming percentage of the same exact army list with a very small dosage of sprinkled flavor. If i wanted to play the same **** everyone is playing I would've stuck with Chess.

Now internet I know how you usually follow up on common sense and logical arguments that you don't agree with. So have at it tear me a new one with your uber-awesome sense of maturity.

Why you had to pick on Tau. TAU is my first 40k army back in 2003. I can field 12k in Tau and still have 20 metal stealth suits. Anyway lets see. I have 5k in guard, 300 pts dark eldar, 6k in space marines (all factions), had 10 k in nids which is now 5k due to an accident, used to had 3k in necrons( sold them cause they was too boring), 1k sisters, 2k grey knights, 6k chaos damons and marines, used to have 6k in eldar which I gave to my brother ( still regret doing that). 0h and about 100 points of orcs.

I probably have more or less since I called out rough estimates. I can safely say that I probably have 50k in assorted 40k models with different varieties.

That all been said I am on Tau ban wagon since my army has received a great boost. Same with Daemons. Both armies along with Eldar are mu favorite armies overall to play with, almost forgot to include nids too. Which mean when nids come out I would probably be on that ban wagon too.

With space marines 5th edition killer my list litterly and 6th brought it back which makes me want to play marines.

At times when I am bored I'll play sisters, guard, or grey knights.

All that being said everyone who knows me will know since day one you have a good chance of fighting Tau, Daemons, or Nids.

[SON OF ROMULOUS]

General question what the hell does how much plastic crack you own have to do with anything? people posted about blowing up the army list section because you drop a new list every 24 hours.... so you have 70k worth of points.... then why is every list spam spam and more spam? seriously if you have such a large colection and play 13? out of the current armies then seriously you should have a more diverse army list.... and Do not start a pissing contest in the forums claiming you have 70k worth of stuff as some justification for you insessant need to post list after list... becuase tha makes an assumption about the rest of us that we play the army of the month or that we have only one army... seriously it makes you sound like an ***.

If we go off your logic then i should be posting up armies for the following lets see. 3-4 SoR (home brewed chapter) chapter master list armoured company list drop company list and bike company list.. templars imperial fists blood angles 2 space woles lists angles of absoultion angles of sanguine grey knights imperial gurd infantry and imperial guard tank company demi grey knights um the eldar tau list i've been slowly building and painting dark eldar chaos death guard 2 companies and 2 companies of world eaters.... thats alot of lists i could be posting on the forums... do i? no i generally don't do you know why? because when i am playing an army i play with the list i built for 3-5 mathes then make changes as needed would that justify me to post the list? probably would be more beneficial then you posting a list every 12 hours begging for atention. seriusly my neice isnt this annoying and shes 2.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I'm with you Romulous.

[Akaiyou]

Lol I gotta love the internet 'logic' or what passes for 'logic'

Please do tell me more about how unpleasant it is for you. Wait let me get my comfy slippers for this one...continue

[Chexmix282]

then why is every list spam spam and more spam? seriously if you have such a large colection and play 13? out of the current armies then seriously you should have a more diverse army list....

Because taking redundant units has tactical benefits? If a unit does a job better than any other unit in the same FOC slot, why wouldn't you take 2-3 of it?

I'm not a fan of the whole "Rate my Lists" thing. I like applying constructive criticism in ways other than scoring a list out of 10, so I simply avoid those threads. It's not like there's enough other new lists posted for the "Rate" lists to push them to the next page.

[SON OF ROMULOUS]

He's not spamming 60 tactical marines for tactical redundancies... and seriously spamming is not taking 1-2 units.... spamming if 3-4 of the same units taking 2 predators or 2 tactical marines is not spam....

[chicop76]

He's not spamming 60 tactical marines for tactical redundancies... and seriously spamming is not taking 1-2 units.... spamming if 3-4 of the same units taking 2 predators or 2 tactical marines is not spam....

Some armies like orcs is pretty spammy. Also nids. However there is no reason to really spam marines. Although I would spam marine scouts lol.

[Akaiyou]

Some armies like orcs is pretty spammy. Also nids. However there is no reason to really spam marines. Although I would spam marine scouts lol.

Yet anyone that wants to play something resembling a marine company would have to spam tacticals.

But I do understand that they are referring to my Dark Angels 'spam' of tacticals. Which i built from several DV sets...which just happen to have the same exact tactical marine squads. So why wouldn't i use it, if it's very fluffy, they aren't terrible (far from great) and i find bringing so much plasma weaponry fun.

I'm just saying what's so wrong about spam? If some hate it good for them, if some like it good for them. Either way you can't hate someone for whatever their preference is on something.

Somehow though spamming a lot of dark angels tactical marine squads was considered 'uber powerful power gaming list' go figure...i didn't know Dark Angel tactical squads were winning tournaments left and right.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I actually said that 3 of the exact same, carbon copy, squads would just look awful. You have no shame though.
IF, however, you had one DV squad, then two differently posed squads, but with the same wargear, it would look a lot better.

There is no reasoning with madness (or stupidity) though.

[Aspire to Glory]

So, personally, I really like army lists. I don't always comment on them, but I learn a lot by reading army lists and posting my own army lists. I think that one of the things I like about BoLS - and dislike about, say, Dakka Dakka and Advanced Tau Tactica - is that you can post an army list here and expect it to get some attention. If an army list gets ignored here, it's probably because there's nothing wrong with it and you just need to play it out and see how it goes.

Now, I understand that there's some new guy posting the equivalent of "Look at me! Look at me! Won't somebody please RATE MY LIST!?" Those threads are kind of annoying, sure, and I find myself ignoring them.

Let me introduce you to a brand-new online tool. It's free to download - you just have to Google it. It's called "Not Reading the ******* Thread."

If you install No Reading the ******* Thread on your computer, you can just not read the threads that annoy you. I'm not a computer guy and I don't know how it works, exactly, but it involves not clicking on things. It's really technical. But it's kind of amazing.

There's also a pay version called "Clicking on 'Mark All as Read'" which makes it so that you can't even see those threads in some ways of viewing the forum. I know that paying for software is kind of lame these days, but if Not Reading the ******* Thread isn't good enough for you, you could try Clicking on Mark All as Read.

Let me know how it goes for you.

The quality of his lists, or the contents, are not the issue. I just started ignoring them, too, especially once I saw how little thought went into them.

However, this thread is about an inconsiderate member spamming lists, sometimes several in a day. Sometimes several in an hour. It bumps other lists down. Ones posted by members who aren't spamming lists.

While I appreciate your perspective, stop pretending that you're superior to people because you aren't annoyed by the subject. Take your own advice and 1) ignore the thread... 2) stop being a jerk.

[ElectricPaladin]

While I appreciate your perspective, stop pretending that you're superior to people because you aren't annoyed by the subject. Take your own advice and 1) ignore the thread... 2) stop being a jerk.

I don't think I'm superior because I'm not annoyed. If you'd actually read my post, you'd know that I am annoyed. I think I'm superior - or at least a little more grown-up - because I'm willing to tolerate the existence of threads I don't like because that's the price I pay to have a free and open forum where I can post what I want without arcane rules. As I also wrote, I don't want a place like ATT where army lists are entirely banned and there's a strict hierarchy of membership. I also don't want a place like Carpe Noctem (the Vampire Counts forum) which follows a kind of incomprehensible points system that, honestly, stresses me out.

As far as just ignoring this thread, that's not an option. Big Red has shown himself willing to change the way the forum works in response to the desires of its members. This is all well and good, but it also means that if I want to continue to have the kind of forum I want to have - a place where army lists can be posted and we don't waste our time with some arcane and stressful system of points and rankings and whatever - I need to let my voice be heard.

You don't have to follow my advice and ignore the annoying army threads. You can try to convince Big Red to change the way the site works - more power to you. But I'm not going to be silent on the matter, because I have a point of view as well.

I'm genuinely sorry if my post offended you. I wasn't trying to be a jerk to anyone - perhaps a little bit sharp and a just a bit mocking, but not hurtful. I don't retract it, however, because I believe that the sentiment is worthwhile.

[SON OF ROMULOUS]

@EP the problem is posting lists just for the sake of posting them and then posting an ungodly amount of lists for no real reason and no real benefit to the community. if he were to post lists and have some actual discussion, some real give and take you know the whole exchange of ideas or atleast fake an interest in taking suggestions or criticism an alternate list ideas then this would not be an issue. its posting list after list of you can rate but not comment... like seriously this isn't a strip club and trust me there is touching in the champagne room...

I for one check this website frequently. I am a Former whineseer guy. i actually begged them to ban me so i would never go back to them. Their attitudes sucked you'd post a list and you'd be told your an idiot or spam x y and z and vola your the new internet champion... So for me this place was a breath of fresh air you could come on you all spoke english which thank god for that. and you would see lists that aren't the same net list copy and past crap. I'd browse a list see a unit and actually be like hmm am i missing something? Are you guys seeing a unit in a different way then i am? So for me this place is a wealth of knowledge and freedom. people here actually seem to oh i dunno paint and model their armies instead of grey plastic.

So yes i would actually love to see Red change the way you post army lists hell if it was once a week i would be pleased. and if you don't want that then simply block the twit from posting a list every 12 hours.... problem solved. If you look at this thread its the regular day to day guys who are posting in it. why are they posting in it? because they all noticed it to became frustrated and annoyed and they have every reason to be. the whole you can just ignore it crap is bs. i want to be able to log on and see new replies and new threads i dont need to have everything set up as mark as read to prevent myself from seeing the stooges posts sorry but i should not have to go out of my way to avoid his stupidity.

[chicop76]

I don't really see a problem. However if I wanted feedback and I wasn't getting it a reaction would be to post more.

I can see why you want to rate a list, but in the long run what is really the point since people have a different opnion. It would be better to ask how people would feel if they faced said list and how it would do in a friendly game or tournament game.

I mean if he wanted too he could post more since some post have like 3 list on it.

[chicop76]

@EP the problem is posting lists just for the sake of posting them and then posting an ungodly amount of lists for no real reason and no real benefit to the community. if he were to post lists and have some actual discussion, some real give and take you know the whole exchange of ideas or atleast fake an interest in taking suggestions or criticism an alternate list ideas then this would not be an issue. its posting list after list of you can rate but not comment... like seriously this isn't a strip club and trust me there is touching in the champagne room...

I for one check this website frequently. I am a Former whineseer guy. i actually begged them to ban me so i would never go back to them. Their attitudes sucked you'd post a list and you'd be told your an idiot or spam x y and z and vola your the new internet champion... So for me this place was a breath of fresh air you could come on you all spoke english which thank god for that. and you would see lists that aren't the same net list copy and past crap. I'd browse a list see a unit and actually be like hmm am i missing something? Are you guys seeing a unit in a different way then i am? So for me this place is a wealth of knowledge and freedom. people here actually seem to oh i dunno paint and model their armies instead of grey plastic.

So yes i would actually love to see Red change the way you post army lists hell if it was once a week i would be pleased. and if you don't want that then simply block the twit from posting a list every 12 hours.... problem solved. If you look at this thread its the regular day to day guys who are posting in it. why are they posting in it? because they all noticed it to became frustrated and annoyed and they have every reason to be. the whole you can just ignore it crap is bs. i want to be able to log on and see new replies and new threads i dont need to have everything set up as mark as read to prevent myself from seeing the stooges posts sorry but i should not have to go out of my way to avoid his stupidity.

You do have a point. I think what bols should do is have some category seperation like tau, chaos, etc. Tau Online ans Second Sphere used to do that and it cut down on list bumbs and also made list easier to find. If I want to look at daemon list I don't like going through 14 different army list just to find a Chaos based list.

[Akaiyou]

While I appreciate your perspective, stop pretending that you're superior to people because you aren't annoyed by the subject. Take your own advice and 1) ignore the thread... 2) stop being a jerk.

Ooooh the hypocrisy is killing me!

[Akaiyou]

You do have a point. I think what bols should do is have some category seperation like tau, chaos, etc. Tau Online ans Second Sphere used to do that and it cut down on list bumbs and also made list easier to find. If I want to look at daemon list I don't like going through 14 different army list just to find a Chaos based list.

I've often wondered why this isn't the standard.

Also it amuses me that Romulus's baby thinks he's a 'regular day to day' member as if he's some sort of employee of the forum "THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!!!" (south park reference) mentality is hilarious to say the least. I wonder what nonsense will come out of his mouth next :) , internet logic at it's finest.

He has like 270 posts only. I've been around this forum for a looong time, even before registering and still have about as many posts as he does, yet he feels he should be more entitled to an opinion because he's a 'day to day' poster and no one should ever disrupt the 'day to day' poster! Excuse me, sir but no. You are the same as everyone else here, get over it.

As Eletric Paladin so kindly pointed out to you, there are ways to 'mitigate' the annoyance if you are so bothered, and your voice has the same weight as anyone else's here. Including mine.

I've said this before i'll say it again, there's more than 1 way to give feedback to someone. I intentionally worded my threads with the 'no suggestions' because I specifically wanted to avoid that kind of responses. Yet i didn't do so in every thread, in the Grey Knights thread i posted 'i'm open to them, but only from the following list of items'

And yet where is the flood of responses to that one? in the 4,000 pts game i even said 'i'm fully open to suggestions on a list build from the following items' and put up a really large collection of stuff to choose from....where are the responses to that thread?

Seems to me like some folk here just want to complain for the sake of complaining. Or just like with the flavor of the month, they want to just jump into the newest bandwagon without even putting a thought into it.

So let me re-iterate this. When you look at a posted army list, most people will want advice/suggestions on how to improve it, perhaps they are looking to buy something new, or have access/plans to get more stuff. But then there's people who DO NOT and when you look at their army list and they are NOT planning to get more things at any point in the near future, then your suggestions on what to change become moot. So if they ask you please no editing suggestions, you should respect that, they shouldn't have to give you a whole life story about why they can't or wont be purchasing any new stuff. To someone in that position any advice telling them 'Get more riptides for your Tau' 'Buy more wraithknights' is as useless as useless can be.

So be more creative, don't always try to dictate what someone should play, and the world will be a better place.

[Maelstorm]

Please stop with the useless [Rate] crap...

[Akaiyou]

Please stop with the useless [Rate] crap...

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/3372987392/hA852964F/

[ElectricPaladin]

I do feel like I want to chime in - before my words are used incorrectly - and point out that the "RATE MY LIST but let's not have an actual discussion about how to use them and what to put into them" threads are pretty dumb. The entire reason I want to avoid weird rigid forum rules is to foster more creativity and discussion - those threads are the opposite of that.

Akaiyou, if your take home from this conversation is "folks on BoLS are mean," then you're only getting half the point. You might want to consider that your style of posting army lists is annoying to some people and perhaps instead of defending your right to post whatever you want, you should also stop and think about the reaction your are eliciting. Maybe this whole project of "I don't want you to tell me how to improve this list because I'm not ever going to buy any models ever, just tell me how good it is" is wrong-headed from the start.

In other words, Akaiyou, I don't really think you're right. I just prefer to post in a forum where you have the ability to be wrong :cool:.

[Denzark]

What a bellthronk. if you already have x/y/z and you will not countenance buying a/b/c then it is irrelevant asking for feedback.

[Akaiyou]

I do feel like I want to chime in - before my words are used incorrectly - and point out that the "RATE MY LIST but let's not have an actual discussion about how to use them and what to put into them" threads are pretty dumb. The entire reason I want to avoid weird rigid forum rules is to foster more creativity and discussion - those threads are the opposite of that.

Akaiyou, if your take home from this conversation is "folks on BoLS are mean," then you're only getting half the point. You might want to consider that your style of posting army lists is annoying to some people and perhaps instead of defending your right to post whatever you want, you should also stop and think about the reaction your are eliciting. Maybe this whole project of "I don't want you to tell me how to improve this list because I'm not ever going to buy any models ever, just tell me how good it is" is wrong-headed from the start.

In other words, Akaiyou, I don't really think you're right. I just prefer to post in a forum where you have the ability to be wrong :cool:.

When did I say that you think I am right? Quote me perhaps? Lol you clearly said that you are annoyed too.

What i commended you for is the fact that you had the maturity (and sense) to either ignore the threads, or use the various forum functions that make it easy for you to ignore such threads.

Now how stupid or non-stupid the thread could be to you, is a matter of opinion. One man's trash is another man's gold. Am i wrong?

My take home from this is not that 'folks on bols are mean'
Because I've been on bols longer than most of you, just look at our join dates.

I've got Bols on speed dial and ****. lol

Now for someone that had the maturity to acknowledge that you can simply 'ignore' or use the functions to ignore such threads, i'm quite surprised that you don't have the maturity to consider that there's simply not just 1 giving someone feedback. Bit narrowminded if you ask me.

Ultimately I refer you all to that nice thread posted by WolfShade offering some very solid guidelines for posting conduct including responses.

For the record I find most of this *****ing (excuse my french) amusing. It's almost like an unintended sociological experiment, tabletop gamers fighting for the right to limit other's rights to post freely or to limit discussions. Wowzers...has history not taught us anything about the dangers of advocating censorship? About what happens when we start thinking that 'our' way is the superior and only way?

Why do you think I comically called The Tzeentch dude whatever his name is, Net-Hitler?

Seriously you guys need to take a step back, breathe and re-consider the stuff you are writting. Regardless of how many other morons might agree with you, it doesn't mean you are correct. Even the worst of people through out history had a fan base that agreed with them. Think on that.

[teplicuss]

Look, i am in no way the smart guy here, and in truth i was never much of a mental jugernought. However, this is what i see as the main issue. Its really not the "rate " part that annoyed people, its the attitude of what happens when we don't rate it. When we look over it and simply realize that whatever your trying to accomplish , just doesn't seem to work. Maybe because we have tried it, or have made similar mistakes. Maybe we are simply not sure why a person with so many models and experience is asking us mere mortals what we think of your lists by a simple ratting. Maybe thats all you expect of us , and in your mind you already have the answer.

But I'm gonna take a shot in the dark here. I think, you need our advice. Matter of fact i have gone over your lists many times, and i have to be honest, you really do need to listen. Rating is easy, but really listening to others is hard. I learned that in night school( my mom says I'm getting better). You just come off as a pompous fool by the way you respond. Now this might just be all of us reading into it the wrong way. But presentation of ideas is just as important as the ideas themselves.

Lists are to be thought out, to be tested, and in the end to be polished and experienced. Unless you played 12 different armies in 8 days , then I'm curious to how much time you are actually putting into your 70k points of plastic guys? I also question that if you are not playing, then your just throwing lists out for something that maybe we have all over looked? In the end stick to two, and make em work the best you can…spamming has its place, but not in the amounts of lists that your throwing against the wall to see what will stick.

[Denzark]

This person's problem is not that his rudeness, abrasiveness, ridiculous arguments, inappropriate tone, refusal to take criticism or general trolling makes him the biggest throbber on here since OrksOrksOrks.

Its just that the constant listing then bumping then being a prick is sooooooooo dammmmned booooooooooooooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggggg gggggggggggg zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Akaiyou]

You've bumped the threads more than me you do know that right?

[chicop76]

This person's problem is not that his rudeness, abrasiveness, ridiculous arguments, inappropriate tone, refusal to take criticism or general trolling makes him the biggest throbber on here since OrksOrksOrks.

Its just that the constant listing then bumping then being a prick is sooooooooo dammmmned booooooooooooooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggggg gggggggggggg zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

If i say I agree to this would it contradict what I just said since by responding I just bumbed up the post and feeding the troll more.

Anyway I rate Orcs as a Orkky good time. Hmmm, is it Orc or Ork, I always forget. Same with wytch and witch, or demons and daemons.

[Wolfshade]

Orc = WFB
Ork = 40k

Wych = 40k DE
Witch = more general in both 40k and WFB

Daemons = 40k/WFB
Demon = not warhammer, though the painting comp is called Golden Demon...

[chicop76]

I've often wondered why this isn't the standard.

Also it amuses me that Romulus's baby thinks he's a 'regular day to day' member as if he's some sort of employee of the forum "THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!!!" (south park reference) mentality is hilarious to say the least. I wonder what nonsense will come out of his mouth next :) , internet logic at it's finest.

He has like 270 posts only. I've been around this forum for a looong time, even before registering and still have about as many posts as he does, yet he feels he should be more entitled to an opinion because he's a 'day to day' poster and no one should ever disrupt the 'day to day' poster! Excuse me, sir but no. You are the same as everyone else here, get over it.

As Eletric Paladin so kindly pointed out to you, there are ways to 'mitigate' the annoyance if you are so bothered, and your voice has the same weight as anyone else's here. Including mine.

I've said this before i'll say it again, there's more than 1 way to give feedback to someone. I intentionally worded my threads with the 'no suggestions' because I specifically wanted to avoid that kind of responses. Yet i didn't do so in every thread, in the Grey Knights thread i posted 'i'm open to them, but only from the following list of items'

And yet where is the flood of responses to that one? in the 4,000 pts game i even said 'i'm fully open to suggestions on a list build from the following items' and put up a really large collection of stuff to choose from....where are the responses to that thread?

Seems to me like some folk here just want to complain for the sake of complaining. Or just like with the flavor of the month, they want to just jump into the newest bandwagon without even putting a thought into it.

So let me re-iterate this. When you look at a posted army list, most people will want advice/suggestions on how to improve it, perhaps they are looking to buy something new, or have access/plans to get more stuff. But then there's people who DO NOT and when you look at their army list and they are NOT planning to get more things at any point in the near future, then your suggestions on what to change become moot. So if they ask you please no editing suggestions, you should respect that, they shouldn't have to give you a whole life story about why they can't or wont be purchasing any new stuff. To someone in that position any advice telling them 'Get more riptides for your Tau' 'Buy more wraithknights' is as useless as useless can be.

So be more creative, don't always try to dictate what someone should play, and the world will be a better place.

I actually agree to some of this. Hmmmm by another Riptide. Maybe I don't want too. I agree that some advice is just not really advice. However you can always say here is the models I own and I choose not to buy more. This is my list and I can sub out with x models. That way it would reduce the man you have to get another tide.

Personally if you field all tides and broadsides its only good against certain armies. Armies like lance spam eldar can kill the tides and stay away 30" until they kill the sides.

[The Girl]

Spamming army lists has got to be a violation of something.

It's not... and if this line of discussion continues in the way that it has [over several threads] I will start issuing bans.

Don't like something? IGNORE IT.

I was hoping this thread was going to be constructive when I allowed it to stay up on Tuesday, it hasn't. It now closed.