Angelina as Maleficent

[chicop76]

I was hyped today, well yesterday when I saw some material on the movie set for may of next year. I can't really talk about it yet, but can mention what is already on the net.

Basically they are retelling Sleeping Beauty from Maleficent's view. In my opinion they are doing a Wicked with this movie.

Wicked is from the wicked witch side of Oz.

From what I seen she plays the role really, really well. She does come off like a clone of Grenel's mother, but with clothes.

When the movie comes around it wouldn't be a bad ideal to see Sleeping Beauty before hand. With what I watched it has me wanting to validate screens and events that took place in the animated film, did I mention this is a live action film.

Anyway it looks like it would be good.

Next I seen Spiderman 2 preview as well. I know what the Rhino looks like, also seen some easter eggs that references a squid and a bird, might have gave away too much there. Looks like a lot of action and leading off where the last one left off. Maybe Green Goblin maybee not. Anyway the movie looks like it will have a lot going on.

I seen others which escape me right now. I know 47 Ronin alreay have the preview out which reminds me of Ninja Scroll with Kineau Reeves in it. Neo gone Samarai, remined me of the last Samarai, but with magic.

Also the Maze lools like it would be good, or intersting.

Oh I did see Guardians of the Galaxy. The preview I seen made it look like it would be a comedy. Starlord reminded me of captain kirk from Star Trek with more puns. Hopefully I see a different version since what I seen did disappointed me.

What also disapoint me is that Nebula may be working cor Thanos, from what I read on the net, as well as Ronin who did work cor Thanos in the ultimate universe.

However out of all the previews I watch I am really hyped to see Maleficent. Angelina's role reminds me also of Iron Man. Both actors seem to have a good grasp on how the character would be like on the big screen.

[gwensdad]

How did you see set material and do I tell da Gwen!mom (aka one of the biggest Maleficient fanatics you will ever meet) about it?

[chicop76]

Well I can't get into specifics. The most I can say is I can view previews before they come out. Most of them still have some unfished CGI etc. Bottom line is I can get in trouble and dont want to get in trouble. I am double checking if materials are posted on the net first to cya.

I guess I can view more movies if I wanted to. The problem is I don't know what it is till I see it, very random. Also there is different versions to be watched as well. One version may have x while another version have y. Thor is an example of seeing material before they showed previews as well.

However I only see the material before the final cut of a preview, which means I may see like 5 min worth of material. Also I get to see different versions. Like for example the commercial I seen for the life of walter mitty is different than the content I saw. The content I saw had more of his day dreams, while the commercial focused more on his adventures working with Time OR Life Magazine to get negative 25.

In other cases I get more information when I see the final commercial on tv. It really depends.

However I seen a decent amount of Guardians, several versions of Spiderman 2, and a few versions of Maleficent. I seen more, but forgot them all. Anyway I do risk a lot by even stating what I have stated. You either believe me or you don't. Of I go into more detail I might get the hammer.

Like for example for Spiderman 2 I see a clip of Doctor Octopus arms. That is a lot of info. However it might be edited out and you may never seen it. Which is right next to a Vulture suit. I could go into the Rhino, but I am not going to risk that. Only way to confirm what I say is if they show a preview with the two mention items in a tubed container or when you see the movie yourself.

[daboarder]

I'm dreading that they are going to take one of the most *****in bad guys in modern childrens movies and turn her it into the boring "tragic, misunderstood, vitcim of circumstances" shtick, seriously why can't a character be a bad guy just because he hates you and everything you stand for anymore?

[chicop76]

I'm dreading that they are going to take one of the most *****in bad guys in modern childrens movies and turn her it into the boring "tragic, misunderstood, vitcim of circumstances" shtick, seriously why can't a character be a bad guy just because he hates you and everything you stand for anymore?

Wow you hit that one on the nail. The preview was pretty good though, well Maleficent drew me in anyway. I think they will explain why she put the curse on the family. It slightly implies the king is not a total good guy, they don't say that, but she's pissed about past events.

You get the feeling that she hates sleeping beauty, but comes around to liking her. However that like doesn't stop her from killing people.

For example one scene someone tell Maleficent don't be afraid. Maleficent replies something like umm you will be the one that's afraid if I come out.

The preview doesn't really attempt to make her a good guy, but it does make her look less evil. You do get a sense that Maleficent doesn't do anything for no reason and she has purpose behind her actions.

Interesting enough the events in the live action will contridict the animated version. While some scenes will be strait from the cartoon. Like the cottage and the curse scene.

[eldargal]

The interesting thing is in Disney story and I think the original tale the whole curse thing could have been avoided if the king and queen invited Maleficent to the kids birth/christening/whatever instead of snubbing her. all she wanted in the beginning was the respect she was due as a bad arse magic user.

[daboarder]

The interesting thing is in Disney story and I think the original tale the whole curse thing could have been avoided if the king and queen invited Maleficent to the kids birth/christening/whatever instead of snubbing her. all she wanted in the beginning was the respect she was due as a bad arse magic user.

Yeah they effectively told the queen of the faeries to **** off, what di they think was going to happen?

[chicop76]

The interesting thing is in Disney story and I think the original tale the whole curse thing could have been avoided if the king and queen invited Maleficent to the kids birth/christening/whatever instead of snubbing her. all she wanted in the beginning was the respect she was due as a bad arse magic user.

I have to look at the original one again. From what I remember I think she would had done it any way. Why would you invite someone like that to an event like that anyway.

From the clip it seems it is more to it than that, a lot more to it.

The problem is the clip doesn't show if the king or queen did her wrong in the past or not. Heck it could be a past king.

Just seeing the live action re telling clips. It seems that she was just looking for a convenient excuse.

[eldargal]

I read an interesting feminist analysis of it some time ago, basically a powerful, independent woman is denied the respect she deserved by the traditional patriarchal power structure so seeks to punish them for her slight and is in turn destroyed by the patriarchy. I mean in the Disney story she turns up uninvited, offers to accept it was an oversight and even offers a gift. If they had just said 'wow, thanks, so sorry your invite got lost in the mail' they could have avoided the whole thing and Aurora would have had the gift of beauty and being loved by all that Maleficent gave her. She actually gifted her with the things that would enable her to flourish in a patriarchal society.

[chicop76]

Yeah they effectively told the queen of the faeries to **** off, what di they think was going to happen?

And faries have wings. A question you should ask yourselves.

To be fair she did give them a chance to repent and invite her. The preview did address the curse though. What is confusing is one version makes it looks like it may have been a boon, while another version comes away with the curse being actually a curse. When I have the time I really need to see the original.

[eldargal]

She blessed her with beauty and being beloved by all and then because they snubbed her cursed her with the whole prick-coma thing.

[chicop76]

She blessed her with beauty and being beloved by all and then because they snubbed her cursed her with the whole prick-coma thing.

Just you tube it. Actually she said death and the last fairy changed it too sleep instead.

[eldargal]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioEA5fWjvOE

[Kirsten]

that looks awesome

[eldargal]

Yup. I don't as a rule like Angelina Jolie (as an actress) but from the trailer she makes a brilliant Maleficent.

From Disney comes “Maleficent”—the untold story of Disney’s most iconic villain from the 1959 classic “Sleeping Beauty.” A beautiful, pure-hearted young woman, Maleficent has an idyllic life growing up in a peaceable forest kingdom, until one day when an invading army threatens the harmony of the land. Maleficent rises to be the land’s fiercest protector, but she ultimately suffers a ruthless betrayal—an act that begins to turn her pure heart to stone. Bent on revenge, Maleficent faces an epic battle with the invading king’s successor and, as a result, places a curse upon his newborn infant Aurora. As the child grows, Maleficent realizes that Aurora holds the key to peace in the kingdom—and perhaps to Maleficent’s true happiness as well.
It looks like they might be taking quite a feminist approach to it. Powerful woman protector of kingdom betrayed by patriarchal ally, becomes cast as the Big Bad as the result. I hope so anyway. Very enthused regardless.

[eldargal]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLqVIntpW_g
New trailer.

[daboarder]

I'm still afraid they're going to pull her teeth and turn her into a tragic villain, its not in disneys nature to leave the central character as the awesome queen ***** of the universe.

[eldargal]

Hard to say. I'd actually be ok with her being a tragic hero if they do it right, along the lines of 'powerful woman helps save kingdom, betrayed by king who doesn't want competition from a powerful woman' sort of thing. But I'm really hoping they subvert the whole expected plotline and have her teaming up with Aurora to overthrow the patriarchy.:p

[chicop76]

Have you guys seen Frozen. It's almost a test pilot for Malevolent. However if they stay true to the animated version, although there are slight differences like the 3 fairies supposedly kept Auroras hidden, but Maleficent actually was her protector and k EW where she was.

I am hipped, because Jolie did a good job with Grendel's mom in Beowulf., so she can do the villian thing quite good. Although I admit she is hit or miss. She is not a Ben Affleck or Jlo though where the miss a lot.

If she does a good job I think in the future I would like to see her play as a villian more, but not a typical bad guy like she was in Wanted. A bad guy type role like in Beowulf and Maleficent. Which means something like a sith in Star Wars would be co.

[eldargal]

Frozen was one of my favourite Disney films ever and one of the best films I've seen in ages.:) I think you may be right too, I mean they really subverted the whole villain thing in Frozen and it worked so hopefully they will do something similar with Maleficent.

[chicop76]

Frozen was one of my favourite Disney films ever and one of the best films I've seen in ages.:) I think you may be right too, I mean they really subverted the whole villain thing in Frozen and it worked so hopefully they will do something similar with Maleficent.

I really liked Frozen. It was a good movie and it wasn't typical. The main villain wasn't overly obvious. The breaking of the spell was awesome and not typical, etc. I think the movie breaks the mold and is more modern.

I originally didn't want to go see it due to not seeing the Hobit yet. I would say it was the better movie out of the two. My son wanted to see it and I tried to discourage him by saying it was a girlie movie that sings all the time, didn't change his mind.

The thing I think I like the most was it wasn't predictable. Some of the foreshadowing wasn't obvious. I think that what did it for me was one scene that had you second guess one of the characters true intentions. The main villian wasn't surprising since they left a lot of context clues, but it still takes you off guard.

If they format Maleficent the same way I can see it being a better movie since you won't go into it thinking the events will be the same as with sleeping beauty. I'm confident Jolie is not going to screw it up. I am just worried that the other cast will to be honest.

[daboarder]

Hard to say. I'd actually be ok with her being a tragic hero if they do it right, along the lines of 'powerful woman helps save kingdom, betrayed by king who doesn't want competition from a powerful woman' sort of thing. But I'm really hoping they subvert the whole expected plotline and have her teaming up with Aurora to overthrow the patriarchy.:p

While I completely buy that as a fair story in and of itself I personally hope they don't do that, I love maleficent for the pure vindictiveness and evil she drips.

I mean THIS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwOGjpxjSDw

That is just the epitome of what a villain should be like, the character, the look, the voice (Holy **** thats an awesome voice) and the Music. she's like a female darth vader....pure embodied fear.

[eldargal]

That's fair enough, I know there are a lot of people who have a problem with her being 'vindicated', like women can't be villains which is a valid concern. But personally I bring it back to the whole notion that she evil because she is a witch and witches are considered evil because historically they were considered a threat to male control over knowledge and particularly medicine. Regardless of how the story goes I just hope they keep her as a strong, terrifying character and just give her more depth.

[daboarder]

That's fair enough, I know there are a lot of people who have a problem with her being 'vindicated', like women can't be villains which is a valid concern. But personally I bring it back to the whole notion that she evil because she is a witch and witches are considered evil because historically they were considered a threat to male control over knowledge and particularly medicine. Regardless of how the story goes I just hope they keep her as a strong, terrifying character and just give her more depth.

I'd make the counterpoint that historically "witch" as a label could be equally applied to men as women, albeit less often, and I DO understand the whole malleus maleficarum nastiness was aimed at women. Also its a fantasy stereotype that almost ANY "magic" user is persecuted, regardless of gender.

But I guess you could consider me a bit of a traditionalist when it comes to characters themselves, I tend to take the view that if a character was originally written a certain way (sherlock holmes, Maleficent, whoever) then changing that characters role and "background" merely for the sake of our current values, does the story a bit of a disservice. or to put it another way, I tend to dislike wiggish renditions of older stories.

Of Course some of my favourite modern fiction is the stuff that completely turns those sterotypes on their head. ie: the trials of blood and steal are a FANTASTIC set of books with a female protagonist, who kicks as takes names and within the first two chapters challenges and guts some prick to a duel with ease.

[chicop76]

That's fair enough, I know there are a lot of people who have a problem with her being 'vindicated', like women can't be villains which is a valid concern. But personally I bring it back to the whole notion that she evil because she is a witch and witches are considered evil because historically they were considered a threat to male control over knowledge and particularly medicine. Regardless of how the story goes I just hope they keep her as a strong, terrifying character and just give her more depth.

She's a wingless black fairy? ??

Anyway warlocks are male witches.

I don't know how I feel with the making her misunderstood. I have yet to see Wicked, but it does give you a better understanding of the character. Today it seems that they want characters to be in the grey where different development makes them semi good or semi evil.

I think the anti hero have been heavily played out in the last 10-20 years or so. The next logical step would be the misunderstood villain.

Backstory can be good or bad. Like in the case of Wolverine it was best to leave his past a mystery, also the way he remember was garbage. Oh the house of M garbage went on and as a side effect lets give Wolverine his memory back out the blue..

On the other hand I think like in the new Oz movie, another misunderstood villain it worked out. Since the misunderstood villian thing seems to be working like Magneto, wicked witch, and ice queen. Why not do the same with Malevolent.

Just recently they did a movie to bring back interest in Mary Poppins with Mr. BANKS, I haven't seen it yet, but it reminds adults about the older Disney movies and get kids today to watch the older Disney movies. You mention sleeping beauty or Mary.Poppins to teenagers they don't know what you are talking about, I used to run surveys and I can say a decent amount of them don't know those movies.

To be honest I forgotten who Aurora was. I still think sleeping beauty was one of the best animated Disney movies out there. It had your basic elements and didn't really hold back.

I mean besides sleeping beauty getting rapped by the prince and going hey I might as well marry you. Also the way the spell was broken was via baby sucking on her fingers and not my the prince that rapped her.

[eldargal]

New trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pgmFAOgm5E

[Mr Mystery]

May we burn her?

[Nabterayl]

Absolutely not.

[bfmusashi]

It's clear from Sleeping Beauty she's really into fire and thorns.

[daboarder]

Hard to say. I'd actually be ok with her being a tragic hero if they do it right, along the lines of 'powerful woman helps save kingdom, betrayed by king who doesn't want competition from a powerful woman' sort of thing. But I'm really hoping they subvert the whole expected plotline and have her teaming up with Aurora to overthrow the patriarchy.:p

So spot on the money with the female heroes bussiness Eldargal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-XO4XiRop0

Looking brilliant

I guess my only quibble is that, wasn't it the last fairies gift that changed the spell from death to sleep?

[eldargal]

Ooh, nice.

[chicop76]

it was the last fairy gift that changed the spell to sleep instead of death, while Maleficent's spell in the preview it was worded into a sleep like death.

I think the way you have to go into the movie is how American history changes in high school from college. You get what people wanted to happen in a positive spin to a more objective look at what really happened.

although I think this version is more on what maleficent though what happened instead of what really happened. if they decide to do an objective what really happened it would be cool. if we get her side than we will get her biases as well.

it's like American history of Woodrow Wilson. American history books paint him as a champion of women's rights while what really happened is that women hand to fight for those rights and got him to eventually support them. kind of like the Lincoln thing of liberating slaves in the south, but allowing the north to maintain slavery.

Christopher Columbus would probably be the best example.

Anyway hope y'all go see the movie over the weekend.