Blackadder's Refurbishment of Derelict FW Resin Baneblades Thread.................

[Blackadder]

Years ago when my son first acquainted me with the Warhammer phenomenon he showed me a catalog of the FW products. Having been in the Service I had an awe of the mechanized armour although even then I knew

"A moving foxhole attracts the eye."

http://i.imgur.com/OB8kt8C.jpg

Anyway I fell in love with the anachronistic clanking abomination known as the Baneblade Super-heavy Tank. Not just the Baneblade but the Lucius Pattern version to be precise with looks even more archaic than the Mars Pattern.

Reading the spec's on this behemoth Gad 316 tonnes! 13.5 metres long 6.3 metres high that's literally as big as my house was at that time.

Then and there I resolved to get one of those vehicles but the FW price was prohibitive. What to do? well there was ebay, you can find anything for sale on ebay so I gave that a try.........

After a few days a Lucius Baneblade showed up.............

http://i.imgur.com/2cM66kT.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2cM66kTl.jpg

and I watched it count down the days to the final few seconds and at the last moment I dumped in my bid. Walla (sic) I won the bid! I forgot what I paid for it but I'm sure it was way too much but still a heck of a lot cheaper than a new one from Forge World..........

Watching the post regularly it ultimately arrived; Whoa what a piece of junk! It looked even worse than it appeared in the ebay picture Caveat emptor!

http://i.imgur.com/NLcS2Az.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/NLcS2Azl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/sMkgoDh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/sMkgoDhl.jpg

of course I knew that the thing was assembled badly but I was pretty sure I could restore it to a semblance of its potential glory.

[interrogator_chaplain]

If anyone can, it's you.

(Although I'd rather see you finish that Thunderhawk...:rolleyes:)

[whargoul666]

Every crappy falling apart model I have ever gotten off eBay has made me smile. Its easier to get them in the tubs of simple green if they are in pieces! ;)

[Blackadder]

Yeah I know I have been procrastinating resuming the T'hawk project but in a week or so I will have ample time to work on all these projects if my forthcoming shoulder surgery doesn't preclude me from doing any work at all. I injured my rotator cuff this past summer and right arm movement is a bit of a chore. Typing is about all I can do for the past few weeks thats why I am dredging up 'old works' threads. This models work was actually done in 2005.

[interrogator_chaplain]

Well, my hopes indeed that everything goes well.

[SotonShades]

Hope the surgery goes well :) I know I've seen the end result of this before, but I'm very much looking forward to seeing how you went about it (and comparing it to the similar experience I had with a Macharius Vulkan

[Kirkanos]

Eagerly subscribes to another Blackadder thread to be in awe of!

Hope the surgery goes well chief, best of luck :)

[Blackadder]

Since I could little improve of the perfection of the Lucius Baneblade (FW) I restricted my styrene addiction and only repaired and modified that which was necessary.

FW models in my experience require a lot of TLC and reconstruction even when new so the time and effort savings between a 'New' and 'Refurbished' is about equal.

Another thing I found out about the older resin models is in spite of the brittleness of the material it can take a surprising degree of prying with knives and chisels to disassemble the pieces and not shatter. The newer resin models use a softer mix and has a tendency to tear when subjected to stress.

After disassembling the entire model I scraped every last bit of paint and glue from the pieces. A regular kitchen paring knife I found was the best tool to do this and a #11 Xacto blade and a pin vise with micro bit drill for those hard to reach places.

http://i.imgur.com/UOe7pUQ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UOe7pUQl.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/Kl8vF5i.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Kl8vF5il.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/CBQsdA1
http://i.imgur.com/CBQsdA1l.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/nEF9P5h.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/nEF9P5hl.jpg

In about a week I had the model down to the bare resin.

Note if you will the colour of the resin. It was almost white in hue; a much harder, brittle material than current FW resin.

[Bigred]

Yup, I know that resin well.

That has got to be one of the first resin kits FW ever made back in the day.

Back then, it was head and shoulders above the ancient "tan resin" Armorcast kits from the 90s.

[Blackadder]

Thanks very much for that verification. I have had replies on a few other forums questioning the authenticity of a B'blade of that colour.

[Blackadder]

I'd better post some of the primed images so I'm not branded a total cretin. I took extreme care not to damage the model anymore than it already was when received. I very much wanted to have as near a 'cherry' Lucius Baneblade as possible when finished. I found that Krylon gray sandable primer is ideal for a base coat. Thin, opaque and fast drying it is (was) the best paint on the market. The dirty little engineers and PR people got to listening to too many would be female crafters and redesigned the nozzle so you can't get a decent spray pattern anymore. I have one can of it left and I'm saving it for my Warhound.

http://i.imgur.com/c2vsVM1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/c2vsVM1l.jpg

Okay this is more than a "look what I did" thread so a bit of explanation is in order. There were a few broken details on the model if you look at the image in the reply above you will see the left tow lug was missing from the front bumper and I replaced it with a styrene lug, no biggy there. The wire conduit to the headlights was broken off so I twisted some 0.025" wire to replace it.

http://i.imgur.com/ju4F5oP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ju4F5oPl.jpg

The Search light was broke and I drilled a 0.025 wire drill hole in both ends and internally splinted the stanchion.

http://i.imgur.com/re8w8Am.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/re8w8Aml.jpg

[Blackadder]

Treads and bogies

Getting the treads and bogies to fit just right is the hardest part of building this model. I had to sand down the bogie bases and drive and steering bases to get the treads to make the curves properly.

http://i.imgur.com/ud95R4v.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ud95R4vl.jpg

The diameter of the wheels even the round ones vary by as much as a millimeter so judicious scrapping brought them to a reasonably homogeneous size.

http://i.imgur.com/ZMjcEAu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ZMjcEAul.jpg

Clamping and liberal use of heavy duty gumbands should be employed to mate the treads to the drive wheel and bogies, don't be afraid to cut and file hidden areas that louse up the overall run of the treads.

http://i.imgur.com/gXzeJGl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gXzeJGll.jpg

Note how the treads lie almost perfectly in the track grooves of the bogies each segment just touching the arc of the wheel run. This takes a lot of cutting, filing, and clamping to achieve but is well worth the effort. The gaps between the track segments are all but invisible even in this much abused model so take your time and do it right.

http://i.imgur.com/xGSfKmY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xGSfKmYl.jpg

The two idler runs installed much as FW intended; no excessive gaps each tread rounding the idler as if it were on a real tank. Maybe fifteen to twenty minutes to do the job correctly but so much more gratifying when the model is complete.

[Blackadder]

This was one of the first Baneblades so I am told and moulded of an almost white resin which was extremely brittle compared to the FW resin used today. The model in question was purchased 10 years ago and refurbished a matter of weeks after received.

At that time I had not even considered posting on forums as I was merely a tyro at modeling so I didn't take a whole lot of pictures of the rebuild.

Before I had even finished my son had it on a battle board:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/at/at2/2009/6/9/c591856bdc79ed171095489620bd5e8b_6825.jpg
Here it is still in unwashed Primer:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/at/at2/2009/6/9/240876a5f5ce358e4c9c3f95bdf445cd_6825.jpg

http://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/at/at2/2009/6/9/acc90cdd84ad03e9cb453cbab96b0171_6825.jpg

http://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/at/at2/2009/6/9/22f47eedbfb3768c5d669e1b5d7a9f49_6825.jpg

[Blackadder]

And the last two images, rules are rules I guess.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/at/at2/2009/6/9/f17bf4df42f9b04fd65f188e34ef58fb_6825.jpg

http://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/at/at2/2009/6/9/fde50f87d57f2564c56a0bf8ac624113_6825.jpg

[Blackadder]

Camouflaged with Viscus Gunky Gunk:

Heres a poor specimen that I started on last week I soaked the entire tank on a bucket of simple green for a few days but the paint wouldn't budge. After soaking for a week I finally managed to clean down to the bare resin. Whatever glue the original owner used it resists even chisels and utility blades.

http://i.imgur.com/aIAlzoe.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/aIAlzoel.jpg


After cleaning the upper hull I remembered, "Hey, I gotta take pictures."

Everything was painted with a thick coat of spray enamel that defied even soaking in Simple Green.

http://i.imgur.com/JD9mBn7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/JD9mBn7l.jpg

Once I get done with this post I'm going to try prying the track blocks out of the hull.

This tank will pose an additional challenge in that the Main Turret is missing. No, that's a Leman Russ Mars Alpha Pattern Turret.

I also have to scratch a Lascannon barrel.

[Blackadder]

Plastic Surgery:

Well resin surgery but you get the idea. I wondered why the treads were so butchered on this tank, after I cleaned most of the gunk off I found/realized the bogies were installed backwards so the treads wouldn't fit as moulded by Forge World. I cleaned most bogies to demonstrate how I remove stubborn glued on parts; a tried and true method that works well for me* and only require the tools you see in the image below:

http://i.imgur.com/Gy656E0.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Gy656E0l.jpg

*Try this method first on something you don't care too much for and wear safety glasses (I had to add that last bit so yer mums don't write me nasty letters)

Find a likely space between the two pieces to be separated and insert your chisel.at an angle that will cause stress to the glue joint. Then a sharp rap with a light hammer (one should do it) and the bogie is separated.

http://i.imgur.com/s8WE4dz.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/s8WE4dzl.jpg

Once you get the hang of it the bits are removed faster than I typed this sentence.

http://i.imgur.com/2f5a0EJ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2f5a0EJl.jpg

Next the hard part, removing the tread block.................

[Blackadder]

The Real Test:

The real test of this method is removing the tread block. The block rests on a thin ledge in the tread well and prying can easily tear the thin outer fender wall. I have already separated the inner edge from the block as that area of the hull is more durable and less likely to be seen if damage occurs from the surgery. It would be a good idea to practice your technique on the inner seam first.

http://i.imgur.com/nX4FaQ9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/nX4FaQ9l.jpg

I am comfortable with my method so I'll demonstrate on the outer seam.

Insert your chisel between the block and the wall and tap the glue joint as far down as the chisel blade will allow. Fortunately my blade was just long enough to sever the joint before the blade bottomed out. BTW I recommend holding the handle but I am not doing so just for clarity in the picture.

http://i.imgur.com/M0hck9S.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/M0hck9Sl.jpg

Continue along the seam until the entire edge is free.

One thing you can say about amateur builders; they sure use a lot of glue. A couple of strategic glue tacks would have been sufficient but this guy was 'fastening' for the ages.

http://i.imgur.com/oYVKCds.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/oYVKCdsl.jpg

Alls well that ends well as they say so the removal was a success so now I can concentrate on removing the rest of the paint and rebuilding the missing and broken pieces.

http://i.imgur.com/EdeUByz.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/EdeUByzl.jpg

Thanks to all who made the solvent suggestions I appreciate the input.

[Dimitrios]

Thank you for your detailed and quite fascinating walkthrough :) You have made stellar progress and I am greatly looking forward to seeing how this thread, and your models, turn out! I, like you, have always wanted a baneblade :D

[Blackadder]

Ebay is the best source for these crippled models especially the OoP resin ones that are far superior in aesthetic beauty to the GW version IMHO I hasten to add............

Completely Stripped:

That title should provoke some interest...........

Now the model is completely stripped except for a few stubborn areas that require scraping with a knife. Of course the Alpha Turret will be consigned to the 'Bitz Box' possibly for secondary weaponry on a 'Storm Hammer' scratch built I've had on the back burner for more than ten years............. but thats for another time.

Anyway I have succeeded to remove much of the glued on pieces; sponsons, lights, flare-shooters, and spare bogies; all that remains is to scrap off the residual glue patches and it will be ready for prime.

http://i.imgur.com/2tXJmnl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2tXJmnll.jpg

Now its time to put the next victim in to soak......................

Boowhaaah-ha-ha!

[Blackadder]

Big Red Consigned to the Stripping Vat:

No not Laura Prepon but rather a basic Lucius Pattern Baneblade, complete this time and not that badly assembled except for the treads. The previous owner a minimalist to be sure painted his model in assuredly less than ten minutes and I'll bet none of his compatriots chided him for his monochromatic colour scheme but hey, Red is a colour and supposedly Gray is not.

Never the less its not in my nature to accept second best so a few weeks soaking in Simple Green should soften the paint and glue enough to allow disassembly.

http://i.imgur.com/UFwm1em.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UFwm1eml.jpg

Goodness knows I have enough to keep me occupied rather than just waiting the requisite time for that eventuality..........

[KrewL RaiN]

I wonder if the extra glue is an "reinforced armour" upgrade! AND THE RED ONES GO FASTAAAH WAAAGHHHH.

These kits defiantly found a loving home though!

[Blackadder]

Removing Paint From Derelicts:

I've come across some really tenacious paint on these to models obviously some brand of spray enamel. As the models are poorly assembled and the paint coat varying in thickness of application it is necessary to disassemble the tanks and strip the paint. Simple Green by itself made little progress on loosening the paint even after weeks of soaking other than turn the 'red' paint 'orange' so then I tried soaking for a week in mineral spirits which helped but still needed to be scrubbed with a wire brush where you run the risk of damaging the fine detail. Finally I tried warm dish washer detergent for a couple of days and that seemed to do the trick at least the paint came off with a light scrubbing.

http://i.imgur.com/6j5r276.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/6j5r276l.jpg

So Simple Green for a week or so followed by a week in Mineral Spirits followed by a few days in Dish Washer detergent.

Interesting that the thinner the coat of spray paint the more difficult it is to remove.

Now to the building critique:

The orange Baneblade was fairly well assembled except for the treads and bogies so once the paint is removed from the hull a fine coat of gray primer is all that is required.

http://i.imgur.com/bt9Nf5C.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bt9Nf5Cl.jpg

Note the excessive gap on the far right of the photo tread under the front mud guard

Likewise the upper hull of the 'polar bear in a snowstorm camo'd' Mars Baneblade just needs the treads reassembled.

http://i.imgur.com/bniS33P.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bniS33Pl.jpg

Note again the excessive gap in the tread on the right of the photo Sorry about the "Closeup".

[Darren Richardson]

Wow Blackadder your patience in refurbing these not so great works of art is amazing, I look forward to see more of this series....

Which reminds me I need to work on my old classic Razorback which arrived from eBay this week....

[Blackadder]

Breaking Down the Mars Baneblade:

This tank isn't in too bad shape Most of the fine detail is intact but for some reason the hobbyist left off the carburetor covers and the spare bogies. I'll have to make those.

The big problem is as always removing the sponsons. They are very thin on the top flange and the bottom support mount flanges and these are intact so I want to keep them that way.

I begin by gently tapping the chisel between the top flange and the tread housing

http://i.imgur.com/4vbdkIu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4vbdkIul.jpg

This guy used a very hard and brittle epoxy and way too much. Better to file the inner surfaces smooth and when the fit is perfect attach the sponson with a drop or two of cyano-acetate cement.

This is an older model FW Baneblade cast before they upgraded the mould so there is a separate ladder instead of moulded in steps behind the sponson. I removed the ladder that gives me a good shot at the rear of the sponson.

http://i.imgur.com/2PJPBLv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2PJPBLvl.jpg

A couple of gentle taps and the sponsons loose.

http://i.imgur.com/CIKUYkb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CIKUYkbl.jpg

Note the barrels on the aft fender. These still have the very fine inner band flanges still completely intact. This delicate feature was changed when FW redid the mould and it is very rare to see them completely intact on both barrels.

I removed the treads and treadway blocks as demonstrated in an earlier post.

http://i.imgur.com/gNS4l1b.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gNS4l1bl.jpg

The parts are now ready for cleaning

[Blackadder]

Time to Stop Fooling Around:

time to get tough with this paint. I tried just about everything to remove the gunky pigment from these models but I do have one ace up my sleeve. Acetone.

Very little withstands being coated with a ketone based solvent but I hate to use it because it ruins any painted surface it come in contact with.

http://i.imgur.com/cOenxEo.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/cOenxEol.jpg

After a light acid brushing with acetone the paint comes off with a bit of rubbing with a tooth brush.

http://i.imgur.com/W0jK0aJ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/W0jK0aJl.jpg

I could get that last bit of orange off but I don't think it will be necessary.

http://i.imgur.com/l8J3Pi1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/l8J3Pi1l.jpg

I haven't yet applied it to the 'Polar Bear'; it's potent stuff and I don't like using it for too long of a period per day.

[Darren Richardson]

Hey Blackadder, how's the refurb coming along, this baby dropped down to page 10

I've been waiting for more info as I have some tanks that I need refurbing myself...

[Blackadder]

I put the "Derelicts" on back burner as there was a distinct lack of interest on this and other forums. I assumed that Resin Superheavies were not that interesting and most everyone was switching to the GW plastic version.

I personally find the GW Baneblade and it's variants too busy and contrived. I especially disapprove of the quad aux fuel drums while indeed more practical lack the panache of six foot diameter storage tanks.

I'll spool up the thread again, what information do you need?

[FireHazard]

I've been waiting for more info as I have some tanks that I need refurbing myself...

Likewise! I've stripped down my plastic Baneblade and resin Shadowsword. I'm interested to see how you deal with gappy tracks and getting those bloody track blocks to STAY IN :mad: . Also, I agree with your comment on the fuel drums. The big 'uns look so much better.

[Darren Richardson]

Likewise! I've stripped down my plastic Baneblade and resin Shadowsword. I'm interested to see how you deal with gappy tracks and getting those bloody track blocks to STAY IN :mad: . Also, I agree with your comment on the fuel drums. The big 'uns look so much better.

yeah it's the putting it all back together again part which we need, mostly how to deal with the broken parts, warped parts etc when you start putting it all back again....

For me I noticed that the 1st/2nd ed Razerback (and rhino in general) doesn't seem to fit back together very well at all...

painting wise we all can find so much info on that!

[Blackadder]

Okay so the tracks are the main problem and although I thought I covered the assembly of the tracks assembly pretty well on the second page of this thread I have run into an interesting manufacturing defect on the Baneblades I am currently rebuilding.

Fortunately I have some well assembled tracks on my older Baneblades (I'm going to use the generic name Baneblade regardless which variant I am actually working on.)

The problem I am running into is the actual tread segments are too short. They will never span the length of the 'Block' with the bogies, idlers and drivers mounted as they are from FW. Somewhere in the later runs of these model the wheel mount block has changed length.

I first discovered this on one of the models I recently took apart and there was an extra tread plate unit in the run along bottom of the assembly so instead of three plain tread units between the skull tread units there were four between the skulls in one segment.

Well this is one way of dealing with the problem but it's not acceptable to me so the following images in subsequent posts will demonstrate how I will deal with this anomaly.

[Darren Richardson]

Thank You Blackadder, your words of wisdom do not fall on deaf ears, despite what our lack of words may inidcate...

:D

[Blackadder]

It's not that I solicit input, it's just that I lose track of my threads when I go on vacation and the only stimulus I have is the email notification of a reply. This past Winter I made two motor trips to Florida for various reasons none of which actually constituted what would be construed as a vacation but I did manage to pick up a couple of cherry Bio-Titans. Well if you want to distract the Blackadder from business just dangle a metaphorically shiny resin object in front of him......

I plainly just forgot about this thread.........

Forge World Concedes:

So here we have best evidence why FW got out of the Baneblade business.

Apparently their moulds worn out or distorted and rather than remake/retool their moulding process they just scrapped the Baneblade altogether conceding to GW the copyright to make styrene models and went to the greener pastures of a new line of superheavies; witness:

Here we have one of my latest acquisitions a Stormsword I believe without the bother of looking it up.

The model on the whole appears well made and was advertised on ebay as pro-painted. Well I myself had reservations on that claim but you can see that the modeler did put some good effort into the assembly and painting right down to hand-painting a skull icon on the fascia armour.

http://i.imgur.com/yj4jbLv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/yj4jbLvl.jpg

It is only when the model is flipped that we see gross errors in construction and this is a great example of the problem I stated in my previous post that the track block or the the length of the tread segments have been compromised.

Note the grievous discrepancy between the left and right track assemblies:

http://i.imgur.com/x3HaYjE.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/x3HaYjEl.jpg

The right track is passing fair assembled but the left has 3 MM gaps on the flat road contact run.

This image shows it better; the foreground track with the gaping discontinuity of run and the background track passingly okay.

http://i.imgur.com/HunE9Hq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/HunE9Hql.jpg

Note also that the front and rear of the hull floor plates are 5,0 to 6,0 MM too short compared to the upper hull length. The why of that will be touched on subsequently but right now the tracks are the object of this dissertation.

[Lord Tothe]

Don't give up on this thread! I want a Baneblade eventually, and there is no way I'll be able to afford a new one. Refurbishing and scratchbuilding tips are thus always appreciated.

[Blackadder]

I've no intention to giving up this thread because I have a lot of resin Baneblades that need a helping hand. BTW there are no new FW Baneblades that I know of and even the ebay sources of 'New resin Baneblades' seem to be drying up and the average cost is about $100 to $150 for a used/abused ebay offering.

[Blackadder]

An Interesting Albeit Erroneous Solution:

When I see something like this it saddens me that the most obvious solution was not attempted and instead a much more involved and time wasting and ultimately unsatisfactory resolution was decided on. I offer the following not to belittle the would be modeler but to demonstrate where he could have saved himself a lot of grief and and now been in the possession of a fine resin OOP model instead of a fractional remunerative of the original cost.

Note the outrageous effort to make the parts fit by adding shims to the cutouts.
http://i.imgur.com/a7XQUW7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/a7XQUW7l.jpg

Note also no attempt was made to trim the rear of the track mud guards the casting fill tubes are still in evidence. The sponsons are protruding a half MM above the surrounding surface and the modeler is attempting to fill the gaps with white styrene and greenstuff.

http://i.imgur.com/BpaTKII.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/BpaTKIIl.jpg

On the flip side we have a pristine Shadowsword completely untrimmed from the Forge World Skunk Works and the novice builder tried to eliminate the casting flaws by building up the model where the most obvious remedy would be to trim off the casting vents.

Using the chisel and a small persuader gently tap the seam to sever the adherent without further damaging the resin. It is not advisable to pry with the chisel or you may shatter the resin Just tap the blade into the seam working along the perimeter a bit at a time so the whole piece comes free by small degrees without putting too much stress on the material as would be the case were you to free each portion entirely before shifting the chisel.

http://i.imgur.com/tOgRd0Y.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tOgRd0Yl.jpg

Here we find the cause of all this unfortunate modeler's dilemma:

The last three models I have found has these large protuberances on the rear edge of the hull and not one of the modelers attempted to dress them down to a uniform height flush with the interior sloped incline.

http://i.imgur.com/AIRR3af.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/AIRR3afl.jpg

Please note that resin cuts as readily as cheese with the proper tools; in this case a standard Xacto 1/2 inch chisel and a hefty Utility knife with a new blade. and a small hammer.

There is never a need to build shims and mountains of green stuff when all that is needed is a bit of judicious trimming.

[Blackadder]

Hate Crime?

In my previous post I tried to be as charitable as possible but further evidence reveals this to be nothing less than a hate crime.

The first order was to remove the excess moulding vent material so the engine compartment can be fitted properly.

http://i.imgur.com/F6wJmeR.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/F6wJmeRl.jpg

This is simple by literally paring the excess off with my utility knife as I said resin carves as easily as cheese with the proper tool.

http://i.imgur.com/oiFSEHk.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/oiFSEHkl.jpg

After literally a few minutes of whittling the offending protrusions are removed and it's time to address the front deck.

The initial inspection of this perplexed me because there was greenstuff everywhere even in places that should have been easily joined such as the front deck underside bumper seam........

http://i.imgur.com/lE6x4J4.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lE6x4J4l.jpg

A few minutes with the hammer and chisel (This 'Greenstuff' is tenacious stuff!) the deck is removed with no damage to the surrounding resin thankfully because the front bumper is one of the great features of the Baneblade genera.

http://i.imgur.com/Z77g6Q8.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Z77g6Q8l.jpg

On to the sponsons.......................

[Blackadder]

Perhaps a Chaos Shadowsword:

Okay so now the Sponsons, I've itching to see what to styrene plate 'Greenstuff' glued inside the left tread well was for.

Again with the chisel, I'll spare you the blow by blow tedium

http://i.imgur.com/leMuAGP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/leMuAGPl.jpg

It turns out for some reason the perpetrator cut through the sponson wall and then decided to slap a patch on it for whatever reason because the sponson would have covered the indiscretion. BTW I will be upgrading the boarding ladders on all my Baneblades to the most recent FW iteration which definitely looks better than the stepladder attached behind the sponsons on the original.

http://i.imgur.com/YZ1eifR.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YZ1eifRl.jpg

once all the styrene and green putty was removed the damage didn't look too bad; as I said the sponson will cover most of the hole.

The sponsons also have sustained malpractice and I may try a little project I've had in the back of my mind since I first restored a Baneblade almost ten years ago namely rotating sponson turrets. That should be fun.

http://i.imgur.com/2U09mwJ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2U09mwJl.jpg

So last image everything is cleaned ready for prime, Not bad for an hour's work. So counting this one I have four Shadowswords; quite too many to my mind.

I'm very tempted to make this Shadowsword a Chaos version to complement my two Chaos Warhounds


http://i.imgur.com/F5hDADI.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/F5hDADIl.jpg

[Blackadder]

Behold Arethusa my first Baneblade from page one in her current condition; not much changed from the labor of love I devoted to her almost a decade ago but this post isn't about resting on my rapidly spreading laurels but to demonstrate how to put your Baneblade together so it can be repaired, upgraded, refurbished and in this case provide a bench mark to remodel the tread problem current on the last production run of the lamented FW resin Superheavies.............

http://i.imgur.com/VTtp3S6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/VTtp3S6l.jpg

First and most important Arethusa's major components are not glued but screwed together for rapid dis-assembly.

The Sponson Las-cannons, Main Turret, secondary Turret twin Bolters and treads are held in place with screws. Max Weisman is anchored with a screw pedestal.

http://i.imgur.com/TJIfgLs.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TJIfgLsl.jpg

Note the tracks are removable with the unfastening of just one screw; this is the legacy of a lifetime of working with mechanical objects that through experience I know will ultimately fail and I planned accordingly.

http://i.imgur.com/LsRKarT.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/LsRKarTl.jpg

Everything I build has built in dis-assembly points to save me hours of grief and reconstruction time. Whether you choose to follow my manic behavior is up to you but you have been apprised of the consequences.

That said, let us begin to remedy the track length problem............

[Cadian122]

Looking great, I had given up hope of getting the old resin superheavies in any decent nick. I'll now use this thread to help restore any one that I am lucky enough to pick up from eBay.

[Blackadder]

Tracks and Tread Links:

Below are listed the discrepancies I've found with the treads and tracks on the resin models and the first image deals with one builder's way to resolve the problem; he just added another track link.

Note that the top set of tracks indicated by the three red arrows point to the three standard links between the skull links..........

BTW note the link segments are pretty much the same between the older original model and the newer production model

http://i.imgur.com/e740W0B.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/e740W0Bl.jpg

and the lower set of tracks has an extra link between the skull links on one section.

Unfortunately FW does not sell these extra links anymore at least I couldn't find them on the FW site.

If you can find the links and the modification is satisfactory to you then your repair is easy; otherwise read on............

The next discrepancy I've found is the mount block thickness where the road wheels (bogies) mount on my original the road wheel bases mount 15.75 MM block thickness and the and the ones that fit the treads badly 16.30 MM block thickness. this means your tread must lose length negotiating the extra diameter.

In the image below the red arrows indicate that extra thickness between the track assemblies shown in the first photo.

http://i.imgur.com/NGgjLGx.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/NGgjLGxl.jpg

The next image the arrows show the difference between the lengths of the tread assemblies, the thickness of the assemblies and the bad track run around the Drive and Idler wheels on the lower track assembly.

http://i.imgur.com/P4qxxtr.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/P4qxxtrl.jpg

Finally the road wheel mount blocks themselves vary in length making you tread run too short for the wheel base.

http://i.imgur.com/dqNz3bv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/dqNz3bvl.jpg

Next we will address these issues with some simple remedies and a more complex remedy if former doesn't do the trick..........

[Blackadder]

A Compulsive Psychological Problem:

Okay I wouldn't be the Blackadder if I didn't go for the more complex alternative first.

I seriouly doubted my fixes will do the job on the more serious discrepancies so I'll tackle that first.

The image below shows the discrepancy in the mount block where the one block is 2,0 - 3,0 MM longer than the other.

http://i.imgur.com/dqNz3bv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/dqNz3bvl.jpg

So a razor saw blade is about 0.44 MM thick, cutting the block with a relatively sharp razor saw takes about a minute and it shortens the block about half a millimeter.

http://i.imgur.com/Et8NuKE.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Et8NuKEl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Vtv3ilw.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Vtv3ilwl.jpg

multiply that by seven cuts shorten the block 3,5 MM.

http://i.imgur.com/9EhRreh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9EhRrehl.jpg

Counting the glue seam gives you about 3,0 MM shortened just about what you will need to get the block down to where the treads will fit properly.

http://i.imgur.com/fGwM5tt.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/fGwM5ttl.jpg

More to come.............

[Blackadder]

A Gap I Can Live With:

Okay so the tread from the Red Lucius Baneblade had these huge 6 MM gaps in the tread run.

http://i.imgur.com/UFwm1em.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UFwm1eml.jpg

I have repaired one by cutting the wheel mount block in four places with my scroll saw to shorten the block.

http://i.imgur.com/nUEgtW5.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/nUEgtW5l.jpg

I made the cuts between the wheels that were separated the most so the spacing between the wheels is more homogeneous.

http://i.imgur.com/a9dKp0a.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/a9dKp0al.jpg

Since the alteration came out so well I feel I can endorse this method.

If you don't have a 'Scroll Saw' a 'Coping saw' will do as well or even a Hack saw will do in a pinch, the problem with a hack saw is the blade is thicker so you may not need as many cuts.

http://i.imgur.com/IIaitky.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/IIaitkyl.jpg

Someone asked me about getting the wheels lined up evenly so I came up with this idea; just a 6.3 MM styrene strip running down the channel between the road wheels and driver and idler wheels. HTH

[Darren Richardson]

some good suggestions their Blackadder, I hadn't thought about spacing of the wheels like that before....

[Blackadder]

Thanks,

Track Work Final Assembly:

First a recap, I already showed how I shortened the wheel mount block; the image below shows the cuts I made in the block with my scroll saw.

In all I made six cuts in one block and eight cuts in the other each cut being about 0,80 MM wide so one block was shortened 4.8 MM and the other 6,4 MM.

I also cut off the rails (Indicated by the red arrows that the bogie mount pads are glued to to further reduce the length of the track run.

http://i.imgur.com/SBzFJZ0.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/SBzFJZ0l.jpg

In the image below show more clearly the mount rails indicated by the up pointing arrows and the removed rails indicated by the down pointing arrows. Just to be clear I removed all 16 rails not just the two shown.

http://i.imgur.com/LI9cNok.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/LI9cNokl.jpg

Below are the assembled tracks ready to be primed. I'll answer any questions regarding any of the preceding I did not make clear.

http://i.imgur.com/nnzliIw.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/nnzliIwl.jpg

Below the Red Baneblade cleaned and primed with her refurbished tread assemblies. I will have to raise the hull about a millimeter to compensate for the removed bogie rails.

http://i.imgur.com/VI1Q4OC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/VI1Q4OCl.jpg

And another view of the restored model which looks pretty good considering the wreck I started with. IMHO

http://i.imgur.com/AZGOqRT.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/AZGOqRTl.jpg

[Darren Richardson]

http://i.imgur.com/AZGOqRTl.jpg

Ohhh she's starting to look like a real beauty...

[Blackadder]

Thanks,

AUX FUEL DRUM EVOLUTION:

Perhaps nothing on the Baneblade genera seez anachronism as much as the Aux Fuel Drums and Dual Exhausts. When I first saw the Baneblade years ago I wasn't sure I liked those huge drums attached to the rear fenders but ultimately they became indispensable as part of the archaic charm of the beasts. I always liked the four exhaust stacks arrangement on the Lucius and when it came time to scratch a Baneblade I copied the dual twin stack arrangement.

Probably no single item on the Baneblade has been modified over the years than the Aux Fuel Drums. You can pretty much determine the production run of the model by the bands around the drums.

In the image below the oldest are the yellow arrow (end bands) and the green (center bands) pair. These bands are the most fragile and brittle and it is almost impossible to get a model with intact bands even when shipped new from FW. Just handling the drum can crush the thin rim and on Most of the models I have I just removed the rest of the damaged flange rather than play around trying to replace them.

Next we have the whit and red arrow bands. This is the only complete rims I've seen, how they survived is a mystery but if you look at the outer band under the white arrow it is thicker so this is the second style banded drums. I have two sets of this version the other being the red/red arrows pair which have the center flanges broken off.

FW wised up and redesigned the bands so all the flanges were eliminated from the bands on the latest productions which is the most durable design albeit the least artistic. Blue arrows..........

http://i.imgur.com/N2NF8wq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/N2NF8wql.jpg

Tyro modeler tend to ignore the casting vents especially on the Aux Drums so they are left on all the models I have renovated. Pictured here are most of the tools I use to remove the surplus casting vent material even though its not usually seen when the model is sitting on the board.

http://i.imgur.com/ilTNIol.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ilTNIoll.jpg


A close up view of the excess resin and a few that I have cleaned up a bit

http://i.imgur.com/D3N6tj5.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/D3N6tj5l.jpg

it's not really necessary to go crazy with the underside of the drums but they should at least have most of the surplus removed.

[Blackadder]

Saving the Sentinels Part 1:

I've had these little beauties lying about for years with broken hip shafts. Whilst inventorying my 'to do' list I find myself with the sudden impulse to repair the little darlings.

They've been indifferently repaired over the years but fall apart again with alarming rapidity whilst the glue build up around the joints become more and more unsightly.

The first order of business was to separate and categorize all the major components.

http://i.imgur.com/soMy8IK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/soMy8IKl.jpg

There are two leg configurations; each Sentinel getting a compressed leg and an extended leg. Each type of leg can be either right or left.

First I cut off and drilled out the broken axles out of the legs; I start by drilling a centered pilot hole.

Next I drill out each leg to 1/8 inch (3,175 MM) as that is the closest diameter tube stock I have.

http://i.imgur.com/wwrbJII.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wwrbJIIl.jpg

Be careful not to drill through the axle end caps.

Next Post Please..............

- - - Updated - - -

Saving the Sentinels Part 2:

Next center drill the hip block with first a pilot hole (Center foreground of the image below) and then your 1/8 inch drill bit.

I drilled from both ends into the hip block but then drilled all the way through to align the shaft holes.....

http://i.imgur.com/yIdtqL4.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/yIdtqL4l.jpg

On the right side of the photo above note the white styrene tube:

Insert your 1/8 inch styrene tube through the hip block so the axle protrudes far enough to engage the hip of the legs.

Now I don't want to repeat this repair so I am reinforcing the styrene tube with a 1,5 MM brass tube insert......

http://i.imgur.com/Rmi84kp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Rmi84kpl.jpg

Below we see the three Sentinel bodies strung out on the brass reinforced styrene tubes ready to be cut to the proper length.

http://i.imgur.com/IgXOeqg.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/IgXOeqgl.jpg

Below we see the three repaired hips; the left foreground legs not installed to show the reinforced shaft.

http://i.imgur.com/YoNsK2T.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YoNsK2Tl.jpg

And finally the three derelicts assembled with new much stronger leg attachments.

http://i.imgur.com/eLTYGdq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/eLTYGdql.jpg

Next, repairing the ball socket ankle joint........

[Blackadder]

Saving the Sentinels Part 3:

Since the ankle is so much thinner I went to a 3/32 inch (2,25 MM) styrene tube to reinforce the break. Again I will insert a brass rod to increase the strength of the joint.

http://i.imgur.com/xOzi0lx.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xOzi0lxl.jpg

drilling the hole in the ankle requires a bit of care as the short block is all you have to work with; drill too far and the shank strut will be weakened.

Insert the 3/32 styrene tube and the reinforcing wire into both the ball and the leg.

http://i.imgur.com/viRPai4.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/viRPai4l.jpg

BTW I haven't glued anything yet as I want the option to pose the Sentinels on their respective bases before I do the finish gluing.

http://i.imgur.com/CqP41PP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CqP41PPl.jpg

So here we have the restored leg stronger than ever with hardly a hint of the damage sustained.

http://i.imgur.com/cuC77oj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/cuC77ojl.jpg

And the reassembled model ready to be posed on its base.

http://i.imgur.com/RQIx4iW.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/RQIx4iWl.jpg

[Darren Richardson]

ohhh, a shiny new mini-post series within a series :p

Very Informative as Usual Blackadder, may use this method if I decide to buy some for my tinie small IG force I have sitting in boxes around the room...

Once again Thank You My Good Man!

[Blackadder]

Aligning the Bogies (Road Wheels)

Aligning the bogies after they are trimmed of moulding errors and plugs is easy if you use a strip of 6.3 MM (1/4 inch) styrene stripping Evergreen product #169 is what I am using here but any quarter inch styrene will do. I use the 2MM thick strips becasue they stand on edge hands free and they are less prone to distortion. Some of the center bogie grooves need moulding flash removed with an Xacto knife so the strip seats deep in the groove.

http://i.imgur.com/NFwMFOS.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/NFwMFOSl.jpg

I also use the strip as a straight edge to keep the bogies at the same height so the tread touches the rounded wheel bottom for a neat looking track assembly seen here end on...........

http://i.imgur.com/NFZ8UZf.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/NFZ8UZfl.jpg

And here in profile.

http://i.imgur.com/Asc5ruD.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Asc5ruDl.jpg

Since the bases of the road wheels (bogies) are of different thicknesses it is advisable to dry assemble and number the wheels and their respective positions before gluing them in place and also gluing the two end wheels first, then the center, then the rest of the road wheels subsequently so the run true to the fenders of the track well. Flexing the center guide strip down aids in centering the drive wheel.

Next the front idler and the floating guide bogie.

[Blackadder]

Restoring Tracks:

Restoring these tracks was quite a chore. The end of the mount block was melted off for some reason and the road wheels had broken mount pads and struts particularly on the idlers and drive sprockets plus the mount blocks were two different lengths. I restored the melted end with A-1 two part epoxy, cut,sanded and reglued the drive end of the block that was too long and pinned the broken idler strut with a piece of brass rod.

The results seen below is about as near perfect I can get considering the overall damage

http://i.imgur.com/3AV8VRI.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/3AV8VRIl.jpg

The bottom of the tread run shows not much gap between the segments.................

http://i.imgur.com/g1mGdRX.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/g1mGdRXl.jpg

and the longitudinal run is straight and true.

http://i.imgur.com/lJb6BqK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lJb6BqKl.jpg

The front end which is the most visible seems about as good as you can get from a new kit. all the damage will be hidden from view by the track walls and covers.

http://i.imgur.com/lfro6on.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lfro6onl.jpg