My Country is Officially Stupid

[Wolfshade]

Perhaps this quote from Canada's Globe and Mail:

The strong bipartisan endorsement of a solution that did little but push forward two deadlines for another two months invites two questions: What was it all for, and what will keep it from happening again? Mr. Boehner and his party's restive Tea Party faction also will be under the microscope, as it was unclear whether the events of the past few weeks strengthened Mr. Boehner's control of his caucus, or weakened him in the eyes of hard-liners who put 'principle' ahead of pragmatism.

Or my personal favourite from the Times of India:

The United States seems intent on proving the Churchillian assessment that 'one can always 'count on the Americans to do the right thing - after they have exhausted all the other possibilities'. The world heaved a sigh of relief that some resolution, even if it is a temporary fix, is in the works.

This debarcle could happen all over again come January 15/16.

The President won and the Republicans lost that is how it is.

The question is what does this actually mean.

For Obama fans it is a brilliant show of strength that he will not be cowed from enacting what he set out to do.
Then there is the message to the Republicnas that there is no point picking this fight again as he will not back down.

For those who aren't so keen on him or are more conservative it will push them away, some will argue that he is ignoring the legitmate role of the house and refusing to negotiate. It may even make it harder to pass other more contraversial bills on things like the environment, immigration and gun control.

The Republican's certain came off worse, the party's poll rating took a dive, though whether that actually is enough to convert an actual republican voter to a democrat voter is debateable, I assume that the majority of voters vote for a party because they always have and always will. (In the same way over here people always vote red or blue in certain areas).

What did Boehner actually achieve with this? Well he is know (more) known internationally. But it looks like he has issues controlling members of the party, but the Republicans still stand as a single entity.

[daboarder]

A civil war?

One fought on the floor of the senate as opposed to the battlefield

[eldargal]

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[Kirsten]

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[eldargal]

Nice.

Why Britain isn't stupid:
https://treeofmamre.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/queen-elizabeth-with-a-machine-gun.jpg

[Kirsten]

I would love to see the Queen kicking arse, One will cap one if one is not careful.

[Wolfshade]

I could imagine her saying "One finds the recoil most unsatisfactory",

[chicop76]

The problem with the shutdown is the ones that got hurt are mainly government workers. Government workers tend to vote Republican more than Democrat. Not saying no one hates Obama more. The issue however is that the Republicans decided to try to bully the president into changing his mind, which worked several times in the first 4 years except when it came to health care.

Now you can be completely ignorant of the relationship of republican congress and the history for them to want their way all the time.

What the shutdown did is wake up republicans that felt effects from the shutdown. Do we blame Obama, yes. However who decided to shut down the government to get rid of the bill, Republican congress. In the end most hate and blame the Republican congress more they blame the president.

All the shutdown really did and the last 8 years did is have Republicans hate the Tea Party for basily destroying the party.

The attacks on Unions, Obamam winning again, and the shutdown.

Also keep in mind that Obama couldn't just pass the healthcare bill and it is bipartisan. It had to be bipartisan to get it to pass. . When it was passed and when Obama won again it kinda killed getting rid of the bill.

What's worse is they went into the shutdown knowing he won't ice the bill. He really do not have nothing to lose. If anything all they did was to piss Obama off and make bipartisan more likely than pro rebulican bills getting through the next 4 years.

Now I doubt Republicans will switch to being Democrats, but I want doubt the Independent vote going up or more constitutionalist sprouting up.

The Republicans for 2016 need to distance themselves from the Tea Party or you will see Republicans shift their support. The only reason a Republican won't go Independent is that they believe to do so is throwing their vote away.

[chicop76]

I could imagine her saying "One finds the recoil most unsatisfactory",

I guess so if it is mounted on a platform.

[eldargal]

I would love to see the Queen kicking arse, One will cap one if one is not careful.

"Good shot, ma'am"
"Thank you. I imagine the target is the Duke of Windsor"

[Kaptain Badrukk]

"Good shot, ma'am"
"Thank you. I imagine the target is the Duke of Windsor"

"Oh Camilla, could you come out here a moment?"

[Rissan4ever]

The Republicans for 2016 need to distance themselves from the Tea Party or you will see Republicans shift their support. The only reason a Republican won't go Independent is that they believe to do so is throwing their vote away.
I agree. If the Republicans want to remain relevant, they need to ditch the Tea Party. They're too extreme and don't seem to understand that our government functions best when both sides compromise. It's not about "winning." It's about doing what's best to keep the nation moving forward.

What makes me sad is how far the Republicans have come from their roots. This is the party that gave us Abraham Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt. Lincoln made slavery illegal and kept the country in one piece. Roosevelt fought against big business trusts and established the National Parks system. The Republican Party used to be about fighting for the little guy and telling corporate interests to stick it. Now, it seems they're exactly the opposite.

[ElectricPaladin]

I agree. If the Republicans want to remain relevant, they need to ditch the Tea Party. They're too extreme and don't seem to understand that our government functions best when both sides compromise. It's not about "winning." It's about doing what's best to keep the nation moving forward.

What makes me sad is how far the Republicans have come from their roots. This is the party that gave us Abraham Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt. Lincoln made slavery illegal and kept the country in one piece. Roosevelt fought against big business trusts and established the National Parks system. The Republican Party used to be about fighting for the little guy and telling corporate interests to stick it. Now, it seems they're exactly the opposite.

I know what you mean. It's weird. In the past, I think I'd have been a Republican. These days, I can't imagine voting for a Republican under any circumstances.

[Rissan4ever]

I've been tempted to vote for them on a local level, because some of their economic ideas do make sense on a small scale. But their right-wing views on social issues make the party's platform in general pretty hard for me to swallow.

[ElectricPaladin]

I've been tempted to vote for them on a local level, because some of their economic ideas do make sense on a small scale. But their right-wing views on social issues make the party's platform in general pretty hard for me to swallow.

I have some issues with their economic policies, but not their ideals. I actually really like the idea of empowering people to achieve positive change in their own communities rather than depending on the government to do it. The trouble is that the Republicans today would rather gripe about how dumb and stupid the poor people are rather than acknowledge that we, as a society, have problems that need to be solved. I don't care if the solutions to our massive gun, drug, and poverty problems come from socialism or capitalism, as long as we finally start to get these problems solved!