Sisters of Battle Rumor Roundup

[Bigred]

via warseer's Best Pone 9-7-2013


An interesting tidbit I overheard being discussed recently is that Sisters of Battle are getting a digital codex release soon. Unfortunately, I'm still in the dark as to if there will be a physical codex release, or whether this is new material or just a repackaging of the current list.

Please remember that moderate sodium intake is part of a balanced diet

via warseer's BrassAngel 9-7-2013


A digital release of the White Dwarf list, no doubt. Several writers I've met this year said the real codex is currently under way.

White Dwarf confirmed 9-25-2013

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So thats:
-Digital codex
-6th Edition rules update (including Warlord Traits)
-full Adeptus Sororitas background and photography sections.

via Black Library (http://www.blacklibrary.com/Blog/Codex:_Adepta_Sororitas.html) 10-9-2013

We know that there are still thousands of Sisters of Battle fans with lovingly painted collections of Sisters of Battle miniatures, but there is no easy way to get hold of a codex to use them in your games. We wanted to provide an up to date codex that would be fully compatible with the current edition of Warhammer 40,000 and let players bring the forces of the Ecclesiarchy to the battlefield once more.

The starting point for this codex was the mini Codex published in White Dwarf (it being the closest to current way of building an army). One thing that you may not know about the White Dwarf codex is that much of the background that was written for it was never put into the magazine due to space restrictions. There is no such issue with digital editions, so much of the background in the digital codex has never been printed before.

The rules of course, have been updated as well. All the newer Codexes contain army-specific Warlord Traits and unique items, and this Codex is no exception.

Existing players will also notice a few other changes, particularly the way Acts of Faith work with your army. There are even a few additions that other newer Codexes don’t have, such as Apocalypse Formations and Altar of War scenarios.

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Digital release only - ships October 11th

[eldargal]

Makes sense, get a digital version of the WD codex out there at minimal cost, get a few people to hopefully invest in the metal range and run down stocks while they work on the real one.

[ElectricPaladin]

Makes sense, get a digital version of the WD codex out there at minimal cost...

It had better be minimal cost. I'm not paying more than $5 for a digital reprint of something the put in a White Dwarf!


...get a few people to hopefully invest in the metal range and run down stocks while they work on the real one.

They'd do better if they cut the prices.

[eldargal]

It depends. If it is a 96+ page regular codex with lots of background and the old rules revamped for 6th it would be worth more than 5 dollars. If it it just the WD articles updated for 6th then yes it had better be priced low.

[ElectricPaladin]

It depends. If it is a 96+ page regular codex with lots of background and the old rules revamped for 6th it would be worth more than 5 dollars. If it it just the WD articles updated for 6th then yes it had better be priced low.

Yes, of course. I wasn't clear. If it's a brand new codex, I'm all over it and they can charge a proper price for it.

[eldargal]

Well I don't mean a new codex exactly, that will come with physical copies when the book is ready. I just mean morphing the 5th edition one into something resembling a real codex.

[ElectricPaladin]

Well I don't mean a new codex exactly, that will come with physical copies when the book is ready. I just mean morphing the 5th edition one into something resembling a real codex.

That, they'd have to charge less than a full codex for, but more than a pittance would be ok.

[eldargal]

Yup. Update the rules, stuff in the usual amount of background and charge fifteen pounds for it or something. That would be nice. Otherwise a cheap digital version of the WD rules updated for 6th.

[euansmith]

The Sisters really are 40k for me. They are the grim dark point of the grim dark spear of grim darkness. I guess one could use the Chaos Marine Codex to field something like a 6th Ed SoB force along with a horde of Cannon(ess) Fodder.

[Wildeybeast]

Makes sense, get a digital version of the WD codex out there at minimal cost, get a few people to hopefully invest in the metal range and run down stocks while they work on the real one.

It's still going to be a hard sell to get people to invest in an all metal range. They'd be better off making the WD codex a free download if that is the strategy, but I doubt very much they will do that.

[eldargal]

Yep, but I don't expect they have much metal SoB stock left, this might just be an attempt to make the army playable in 6th and maybe get a few people to buy some more.

Of course one remote possibility is there will b a physical book alongside the digital and a full model release too, and that best_pone just isn't aware of that.:rolleyes:

[daboarder]

it'd be nice is they released the basic sisters as a plastic kit along with the WD as a digital, even if the WD dex is lac luster the biggest hurdle is the metal models.

[magickbk]

GW did post shoddy free pdf download versions of Codex: Witchhunters and Codex: Daemonhunters after they ran out of printed copies, and just left out pages they didn't want to include. It sucked, but at least you could grab rules if you didn't have the old print version.

[Nogle]

I've been playing sisters since the 3rd edition book came out. got at least 3k painted. I just hope the digital is a copy of the WD. I have the WD, but no tablet and no plans to get one. It would stink if I couldn't play the army till the codex comes out, then again I have 3 other armies. They have a special place in my heart though, I just used them in a friendly last week.

[acb16]

i've been gaming SoB's for a few years and they are in need of a good rewritten dex not just another release of the hash up that was done in WD

[GrauGeist]

It's still going to be a hard sell to get people to invest in an all metal range.

They'd be better off making the WD codex a free download if that is the strategy, but I doubt very much they will do that.

Perhaps GW is jsut waiting for the metals to sell out before launching any new plastics.

But free Codex? We haven't had that since Pamplet: Assassins.

[LordInquisitorMaratine]

Perhaps GW is jsut waiting for the metals to sell out before launching any new plastics.

But free Codex? We haven't had that since Pamplet: Assassins.

Incorrect - Blood angels was a free pdf download if you didn't bother with WD. THAT was the last freebe, alon w/ daemonhunters and witchhunters.

[ElectricPaladin]

i've been gaming SoB's for a few years and they are in need of a good rewritten dex not just another release of the hash up that was done in WD

No one argues that that's not what they need. What we're rumor-mongering about is what they're gonna get.

[DrBored]

Here's hoping that Sisters of Battle get some good treatment for the future. I'd sell most of my digestive tract to get my hands on some Plastic, customizeable Sisters of Battle.

A digital reprint of the WD articles is a good start, since that at least makes it easier to get and read, instead of lugging around two White Dwarfs with you.

As for the metal stock... I can't imagine it would be too difficult to get rid of. Metal, unlike resin, can just be sold as is, and the buying company can melt it down into whatever they need. In fact, I bet that many metal models that were moved to finecast had excess stock that was melted and cast into Sisters of Battle as their repository for metal models, just so they'd have something metal to sell until they moved on with SoB.

[Clockwork]

Here's hoping that Sisters of Battle get some good treatment for the future. I'd sell most of my digestive tract to get my hands on some Plastic, customizeable Sisters of Battle.

A digital reprint of the WD articles is a good start, since that at least makes it easier to get and read, instead of lugging around two White Dwarfs with you.

As for the metal stock... I can't imagine it would be too difficult to get rid of. Metal, unlike resin, can just be sold as is, and the buying company can melt it down into whatever they need. In fact, I bet that many metal models that were moved to finecast had excess stock that was melted and cast into Sisters of Battle as their repository for metal models, just so they'd have something metal to sell until they moved on with SoB.

Agreed with this.

GW seems to be keeping the Sisters line on a minimal stock level. This means they have to cast more often, but in smaller batches so they'll likely be able to sell the raw materials fairly easily to a supplier or another company who casts in white metal (model train companies cast in it for instance when they don't cast in plastic).

Of course that's just a guess, but I'm pretty sure the Sisters have been done in batches since GW stopped shipping out the old blister packs in exchange for the white card backs. Changing packaging for existing kits isn't exactly cheap (you'd have to unpack everything, re-pack it and you'd be wasting man-hours and supplies to do it), so doing the change over when the old stock was run down make sense.

I hope that we'll see something positive in this digital codex. Perhaps more options or even some relic choices to make the generic HQs interesting. It doesn't have to be a lot, just something to show us that they're TRYING to do something with the army is enough for me.

[Wildeybeast]

If it is a reprint of the WD dex, I doubt very much there will be any changes, other than perhaps adding in background from the old book. If you are going to bother to write new rules then they will need play testing to see how they fit alongside the current ones, so you may as well just go the whole hog and do a new codex.

[MajorWesJanson]

If it is a reprint of the WD dex, I doubt very much there will be any changes, other than perhaps adding in background from the old book. If you are going to bother to write new rules then they will need play testing to see how they fit alongside the current ones, so you may as well just go the whole hog and do a new codex.

I can easily see minor changes like updating vehicle entries to have hull points, and all the melee weapons getting the new format statline.

[Clockwork]

I can easily see minor changes like updating vehicle entries to have hull points, and all the melee weapons getting the new format statline.

Honestly, unless they completely phone it in that's the minimum amount I see getting updated. Maybe we'll also see some small other changes like the BSS AoF being labelled as "Preferred Enemy" and Seraphim gaining "Shred" for the AoF rules, but that might be asking for too much.

I'd be really okay with this being another codex light if they go as far as tweaking points costs and adding in warlord traits and relics but that's pretty deep in Wishlist Land there.

My money is on Celestine getting nerfed somehow though regardless.

[shabbadoo]

Sounds like the very beginning of a planned slow run-up to the 6E release of S.o.B., so this might turn out to be true.

[chicop76]

They are not all metal. The vehicles, well most of them are plastic or half plastic.

[daboarder]

One item in yhe range is plastic snf that is the immolator. The rhino is a SM kit. And the excorcist is a hybrid kit

[chicop76]

One item in yhe range is plastic snf that is the immolator. The rhino is a SM kit. And the excorcist is a hybrid kit


You can make the immolator into a witch hunter rhino, girls on top. However I made my immolator's rhino"s/ immolators.

Now the exorcist is plastic with a ton of metal glued to it. After placing all the metal on that model it gets rather heavy. It can be considered a blunt weapon.

[Phototoxin]

Yep, but I don't expect they have much metal SoB stock left, this might just be an attempt to make the army playable in 6th and maybe get a few people to buy some more.

Of course one remote possibility is there will b a physical book alongside the digital and a full model release too, and that best_pone just isn't aware of that.:rolleyes:

My theory last year with the fake rumours was an october/november release - with hallowe'en, witches, witch hunters .. a bit of a leap but we'll see!

[Clockwork]

My theory last year with the fake rumours was an october/november release - with hallowe'en, witches, witch hunters .. a bit of a leap but we'll see!

Someone mention Witch Hunters?

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In all seriousness, the 5th Ed WD dropped the references to the Ordos Hereticus. Can Sisters still end up working for the Inquisition? Yes, but now they aren't dealing with being a part of two very different organizations. Organizationally if you really sat down and thought about the position the Sisters were in with the old book and it's fluff it was kind of a mess.

I like it better this way. It calls back to their 2nd Ed roots and honestly I picked up the army in 3rd to play Sisters, not the 3 Ring Inquisition Circus and the Sisters of Battle Sideshow that the book felt like so I'm happier with their fluff being this way again.

[Michael Chriscoli]

Anyone else reasoned that this update to the SoB dex could tie in quiet nicely with the supposed release of the new Inquisitor game? (if that is still on the table for release)

[Kaptain Badrukk]

With Gamesday just 2 (and a bit) weeks away and still no work I'm either highly impressed by the GW leak lockdown OR this has come to nothing.

[phreakachu]

there hasnt been need for a lockdown: weve been geeking Space Marines for the last 2 months. The trolls have been too busy lol. we may have simply witnessed one big slight of hand.

[Kaptain Badrukk]

If that's it then I'm still impressed.
Either way my excitement for the year is the hope that the mystery box won't suck or be bloodbowl (which i've never really held in high regard). It'll be my last warhammer purchase in the UK, so it has to be good! Hear me studio guys secretly surfing this at GW HQ, MAKE IT GOOD!

[Fanboy]

I suspect, based on the current SM Codex with multiple chapter options, the next codex for SoBs, and DaemonHunters will be called: The Inquisition, with sections for Witch Hunters, Daemon Hunters and Ordo Xenos (Death Watch), with sections for allied IG and SMs.


Just a thought. Everything in one.......

[DarkLink]

You're about two editions too late to entertain that thought. Sisters and GKs are the focus of their respective codices, not the inquisition. And the new SM codex is simply a more logical restructuring of the previous on, there's no reason to assume theyll make an inquisition codex out of the two whole units in the sisters/gk codex, and then relegate two entire existing armies to supplements.

Edit: it would be logical to do an ordos malleus/xenos/hereticus/deathwatch supplement as an add-on to the gk, sisters, ig, and sm codices, though.

[Learn2Eel]

Given that Grey Knights now have their own codex and are quite popular, I severely doubt they will be rolled up into a larger book two years after being updated. Sisters are far too different from Grey Knights to fit alongside them. There isn't a Codex: Inquisitors for a reason.

[phreakachu]

and why the hell would i bother with a special anything for Deathwatch? Take Pedro as an hq, and represent them as Sterngaurd. thats effectiveness.
The only need there would be for any kind of special deathwatch entry would be for the odd unit in your Guard or GeeK list, but even then the allies rule and Space Marines cover that nicely.
and as a bonus, i believe that as an Imp Fist sucessor, Pero has the Bolter Drill Tactic, yes?

[DarkLink]

You cant do an army of sternguard, nor does bolter drill work on sternguard bolters. There's plenty of room for a deathwatch army, in case you havent noticed the trend in supplements.

[DrBored]

I suspect, based on the current SM Codex with multiple chapter options, the next codex for SoBs, and DaemonHunters will be called: The Inquisition, with sections for Witch Hunters, Daemon Hunters and Ordo Xenos (Death Watch), with sections for allied IG and SMs.

Just a thought. Everything in one.......

"Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment."

This kind of speculation really doesn't help. Grey Knights are fleshed out enough to get their own Codex and Sisters of Battle just need a bit of TLC.

The only thing I could see Sisters of Battle getting rolled into would be Witch Hunters, since the theme is similar, but instead of it being called 'Witch Hunters', I see it more as a codex called 'Sisters of Battle' with some Witch Hunters thrown in.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

with sections for allied IG and SMs.

Really, it's like 6th Edition doesn't have rules for Allies or something.

[Thaldin]

Hell, I just boxed and shipped up a 3rd Edition Witchhunter army that got sold on EBay as a Sisters of Battle Army with Grey Knight Allies. It sold in less than a week. My ex-g/f was happy as hell to get money for her army lol

[Eulermaths]

Got an Immolator delivered yesterday. Quite surprised that it was sprues, instructions, decals and even the clear perspex bit but no box. ( As in the picture box that sits on the store shelves) It was all loose in a standard GW shipping box. Never had this before

[ElectricPaladin]

Got an Immolator delivered yesterday. Quite surprised that it was sprues, instructions, decals and even the clear perspex bit but no box. ( As in the picture box that sits on the store shelves) It was all loose in a standard GW shipping box. Never had this before

This happened to me a while back. Sisters haven't been available in stores for a while now. This indicates that they are now a special order only item.

[MajorWesJanson]

Got an Immolator delivered yesterday. Quite surprised that it was sprues, instructions, decals and even the clear perspex bit but no box. ( As in the picture box that sits on the store shelves) It was all loose in a standard GW shipping box. Never had this before

I wish I could find the window for mine. I put it somewhere to attach after I painted the tank, and have not found it since.

[Galadren]

Got an Immolator delivered yesterday. Quite surprised that it was sprues, instructions, decals and even the clear perspex bit but no box. ( As in the picture box that sits on the store shelves) It was all loose in a standard GW shipping box. Never had this before

Apparently this is how Wave Serpents are sold now, too. The basic transport for Eldar is direct order only and sold in a plain, brown box. Blows my mind.

[Galadren]

You cant do an army of sternguard, nor does bolter drill work on sternguard bolters. There's plenty of room for a deathwatch army, in case you havent noticed the trend in supplements.

I would love a Deathwatch supplement. I was just thinking the other day it would make an interesting "Allies Only" supplement with some special chapter tactics and a very limited unit selection from Codex: Space Marines.

[Clockwork]

Apparently this is how Wave Serpents are sold now, too. The basic transport for Eldar is direct order only and sold in a plain, brown box. Blows my mind.

I get that they'd do that with the Sisters, but the Wave Serpents one surprises me. Huh.

[DWest]

If I'm remembering correctly, Wave Serpents were flying out the door as fast as they could press 'em after Codex: Eldar came out, so they might have decided to forgo the box in order to save some time.

[flekkzo]

I get that they'd do that with the Sisters, but the Wave Serpents one surprises me. Huh.

Can confirm that this is the case in the US. Seen it with my own eyes. It's weird.

[MajorWesJanson]

Apparently this is how Wave Serpents are sold now, too. The basic transport for Eldar is direct order only and sold in a plain, brown box. Blows my mind.

Given how strong they are, and how people like to spam them, this may be a good thing. Hopefully GW will do it to Helldrakes as well. Please?

[DrBored]

Given how strong they are, and how people like to spam them, this may be a good thing. Hopefully GW will do it to Helldrakes as well. Please?

It's probably more that they ran out of boxes and still had to fill orders, so instead of worrying about waiting for boxes, they just sent the orders out to try to keep people happy.

I don't think this treatment is going to happen to popular kits.

[Clockwork]

It's probably more that they ran out of boxes and still had to fill orders, so instead of worrying about waiting for boxes, they just sent the orders out to try to keep people happy.

I don't think this treatment is going to happen to popular kits.

Agreed. Besides, you can field more Wave Serpents in an Eldar army than you can field Heldrakes in a CSM one.

[eldargal]

There were rumours they have been having difficulties with their printers, running out of packaging on some popular kits might be an indication that is accurate. Or it might not.:rolleyes:

[Clockwork]

There were rumours they have been having difficulties with their printers, running out of packaging on some popular kits might be an indication that is accurate. Or it might not.:rolleyes:

I hadn't heard that one before, but it makes sense honestly.

[40kGamer]

Apparently this is how Wave Serpents are sold now, too. The basic transport for Eldar is direct order only and sold in a plain, brown box. Blows my mind.

My Vypers came this way too and according to my FLGS a lot of kits are being white boxed. I can understand low volume direct order kits maybe but this is pretty wide spread. Maybe they are having trouble with the printer.

[Kirsten]

Maybe they are having trouble with the printer.

sorry, it just takes me a while to hand draw each box, I can't keep up at the moment :p

[40kGamer]

sorry, it just takes me a while to hand draw each box, I can't keep up at the moment :p

Them pesky elves on strike again? :D

[deinol]

Pins of War (http://pinsofwar.com/warhammer-40k-sisters-of-battle-codex-2013/) seems to have confirmation of a digital codex update.

[ElectricPaladin]

Pins of War (http://pinsofwar.com/warhammer-40k-sisters-of-battle-codex-2013/) seems to have confirmation of a digital codex update.

And that's the Blood Angels cover underneath them... which would make sense if it's also a supplement-sized product. Some people have been theorizing that Blood Angels might be supplementized.

[daboarder]

I'd be amazed to see BA's get supllemented....far to much unique, furthermore that picture quite clearly says codex....and in the same style as sisters.

[ElectricPaladin]

I'd be amazed to see BA's get supllemented....far to much unique, furthermore that picture quite clearly says codex....and in the same style as sisters.

I wouldn't be amazed. For myself, I'd downgrade it to "surprised."

If it isn't a supplement, I'd guess that it's all a lie. Does anyone really think that our rumors could be so badly out of touch that we're wrong about two upcoming codices with release dates soon enough to be hinted in White Dwarf?

[Kirsten]

lol, "absolutely no rumour-monger saw that coming" except for the ones that did...

[daboarder]

yeah we had word SOB were getting a digital, we just didn't know if it was going to get updated at all or not, looks like they'll at least get something of a bone though, judging from the sales pitch.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Well, that's _something_ at least. A sign of Life...

[eldargal]

I expect it is just a digital version of C:BA rather than a supplement.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

I wish they'd release at the very least a basic plastic kit that builds most of the infantry types. That alone would surely sell well and get people starting sisters armies. After seeing those witch elves it looks like the technology problems I remember* reading about are fixed (?)

*allthough with my bad memory...

[Bigred]

And here's the proof:

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So thats:
-Digital codex
-6th Edition rules update (including Warlord Traits)
-full Adeptus Sororitas background and photography sections.

[Deadlift]

I expect it is just a digital version of C:BA rather than a supplement.

Which if it is, means a new BA codex is a way off yet. Which is quite sad.

[Houghten]

And here's the proof:

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So thats:
-Digital codex
-6th Edition rules update (including Warlord Traits)
-full Adeptus Sororitas background and photography sections.

From the description, it looks like the WD amended for 6th.

[lattd]

Plus 5th edition blood angels cover below them so just looks like a simple update.

[daboarder]

You know, if they release is with even just a box of finecast sisters I'll still start my SOB army, I've got an idea to do a "vallkyrie" style force that I just can't do with metal due to the extensive conversion required.

[Learn2Eel]

I might get the digital codex but I'll probably still wait until they are fully redone before I start them up, what with Tyranids not too far away.

[Gotthammer]

It's Adepta Sororitas, GW - get it right :rolleyes:

[Cap'nSmurfs]

The Blood Angels thing is just a digital version of the existing Codex, like they've already done for Necrons and Grey Knights. Don't worry about "getting supplemented".

[DrLove42]

There should be some kind of grand campaign organised. Everyone should download a copy and show that there is a market for them...

[LostInTheDark]

It's Adepta Sororitas, GW - get it right :rolleyes:

They must have changed it somewhere along the way. The current blurb on the website for Battle Sisters is:

The vast majority of the Orders Militant is made up of Battle Sisters. Every Battle Sister is an orphan raised from birth by the Schola Progenium to believe in the righteousness of their cause. They are the most physically adept and martial members of the Adeptus Sororitas, and they form the mainstay of the Ecclesiarchy's fighting forces. They are trained in the use of arms and armour from an early age, and when combined with their unquenchable faith, they are a force to be reckoned with.

And so on. From http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat660008a&prodId=prod1300021a

[Cap'nSmurfs]

As someone who would buy All The Sisters if they ever got a new model range, I'm down with this, Love Doctor.

[Gotthammer]

LostITD - Yes, that is exactly what I'm complaining about.

[LostInTheDark]

LostITD - Yes, that is exactly what I'm complaining about.

Sorry, thought you were just referring to the text in the WD picture rather than the general change to the website as well.

I wonder how that happened? Conscious decision or Space Marine spell check error? :)

[eldargal]

GW have got it wrong before, confusing Adepta with Adeptus. Also th 2nd edition SoB codex was C: Adeptus Sororitas in German.

[ElectricPaladin]

The Blood Angels thing is just a digital version of the existing Codex, like they've already done for Necrons and Grey Knights. Don't worry about "getting supplemented".

Ah. See, I wasn't aware that they had produced digital versions of those old codices. That's an important data point there.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

Yep! Necrons, Grey Knights are both available on iPad, Space Marines was until, well, this month. :)

[Anggul]

I don't think the rules are anywhere near as much of an issue as the lack of new plastic models. They need plastics.

The Immolator has a plastic Sister of Battle poking out of the top, so there's no reason they can't make them, and that kit has been around for many years.

[deinol]

I don't think the rules are anywhere near as much of an issue as the lack of new plastic models. They need plastics.

The Immolator has a plastic Sister of Battle poking out of the top, so there's no reason they can't make them, and that kit has been around for many years.

There has never been any reason they couldn't make them. The major thing that effects that is expected volume of sales. If I recall, at least the way they used to do things, molds for metal minis were cheaper. So its a lot smaller investment to make molds for metal minis that may not sell as well. Molds for plastic minis are a lot more expensive. The materials are cheaper, but you still need to sell a lot before your mold cost per miniature becomes low enough to be worth it.

It becomes a chicken and the egg problem. People won't buy sisters until they have plastic kits, but GW doesn't think they'll sell enough plastic based on the sales of the metal models. Which is why I'm buying the digital codex on release, to give them another set of numbers that might encourage the production of plastic kits.

[Wolfrahm]

That's a good way to look at that deinol, but my question, I don't know much about digital stuff, is it downloadable to a PC? I don't have an Ipod or tablet and probably never will. I have a very big sisters army and would love to have the dex, since I don't have the WD dex anymore (teach me to loan things out).

[Patrick Boyle]

That's a good way to look at that deinol, but my question, I don't know much about digital stuff, is it downloadable to a PC? I don't have an Ipod or tablet and probably never will. I have a very big sisters army and would love to have the dex, since I don't have the WD dex anymore (teach me to loan things out).

There's two different versions of the digital products now, the interactive iBooks one, that is iOS device only, and then the pdf versions that are sold through the Black Library website that you most definitely could open on your PC, Android phone, iOS device, or even Windows phone if you have one of those.

[spiderglow]

As an update I would be happy with a cost reduction and ++5 save to sisters, and exorcist with special skyfire rounds in addition to current load, ahh also I miss my assassins (damn inquisitors they never follow rules).

With that I'll be super happy.

[Wolfrahm]

Thanks Patrick. Hopefully it will be good.

[Mr Mystery]

Description from WD.

Available as a standalone product for the first time, Codex: Sisters of Battle included all the background, photography and rule (all updated for Warhammer 40,000 6th Edition, including Warlord Traits) you need to begin a collection of Adeptus Sororitas, the formidable warriors of the Ecclesiarchy.

[Unreality179]

Description from WD.

Available as a standalone product for the first time, Codex: Sisters of Battle included all the background, photography and rule (all updated for Warhammer 40,000 6th Edition, including Warlord Traits) you need to begin a collection of Adeptus Sororitas, the formidable warriors of the Ecclesiarchy.

So nothing new then?

[Archon Charybdis]

Well updated for 6th ed "including Warlord traits" implies there's more, but who knows if that extends to point changes.

[T3nno]

does the white dwarf say when it will be available?

[Wildeybeast]

No it doesn't. It isn't up for pre-order and neither is the blood angels codex, unlike all the dark elves stuff, so expect a release later in the month.

[Blackcloud6]

does the white dwarf say when it will be available?

It implies that it is going to be digital only.

[Clockwork]

It implies that it is going to be digital only.

I don't think it's really "implied" when it's only in the digital releases page.

Cruddace said at Gamesday that how well it sells will determine if it gets a supplement style release.

[Solution9]

I don't think it's really "implied" when it's only in the digital releases page.

Cruddace said at Gamesday that how well it sells will determine if it gets a supplement style release.

Well I guess I'll have to open my wallet in order to support the idea.

[ElectricPaladin]

Well I guess I'll have to open my wallet in order to support the idea.

Me too!

[deinol]

Well I guess I'll have to open my wallet in order to support the idea.

You can count on my credit card!

[Sitnam]

I know this is getting into the realm of wishlisting, but is it likely that we may see the Sisters of Silence if a real codex and new models are ever released? It seems to me that GW is trying to integrate the various aspects of 40k lore together, and it seems like an easy way to add new units to army that quite frankly that doesn't have a ton of variety right now.

[ElectricPaladin]

I know this is getting into the realm of wishlisting, but is it likely that we may see the Sisters of Silence if a real codex and new models are ever released? It seems to me that GW is trying to integrate the various aspects of 40k lore together, and it seems like an easy way to add new units to army that quite frankly that doesn't have a ton of variety right now.

They have almost nothing to do with each other except the word "sister."

[eldargal]

Sisters of silence are also getting a list in next years FW Horus Heresy book Inferno, dealing with the battle of Prospero. They seem to have been disbanded long before M41 probably folded into the Inquisition.

[Sitnam]

They have almost nothing to do with each other except the word "sister."

That isnt completly true and you know it. I am well aware that neither order is directly related (atleast without a retcon or the like). But the SoS were the original Witch Hunters and Black Ship crews, and as eldargal pointed out some believe they were drafted into the Inquisition. Seing as how the Hereticus (current Witch Hunters) and SoB work closely together, an SoS unit in a new codex would be unfluffy unless the HH series unveils a a more sinister means for their disappearance.

Like I said, this is closer to wishlisting but again seems to me that GW is trying to tie the universe closer together

[eldargal]

There is absolutely no indication they exist as a force in their own right in M41 though. You may see trained SoS style blank soldiers in Inquisitorial retinues but that would be it.

[Sitnam]

That is true. Plus if a new codex keeps the OH removed from the SoB's, then we may not see them in retinues as Inquisitors were replaced by Priests and retinues replaced by Battle Conclaves.

[daboarder]

There is absolutely no indication they exist as a force in their own right in M41 though. You may see trained SoS style blank soldiers in Inquisitorial retinues but that would be it.

Pretty sure the sisters of silence STILL crew the black ships.....isn't that in faith and fire?

[Cap'nSmurfs]

I suspect that the Sisters of Silence, like the Custodians, ceased to exist as a fighting force at the Siege of Terra.

[MajorWesJanson]

I know this is getting into the realm of wishlisting, but is it likely that we may see the Sisters of Silence if a real codex and new models are ever released? It seems to me that GW is trying to integrate the various aspects of 40k lore together, and it seems like an easy way to add new units to army that quite frankly that doesn't have a ton of variety right now.

Aren't they now basically part of the Adeptus Astra Telepathica, or whoever runs the Black Ships?
That said, given that we have things like the Temple Assassins as single model elite units in the inquisition book, I could see a Sister of Silence being a single model IC in elite slot with Blank abilities and bonuses vs psykers.

[eldargal]

Pretty sure the sisters of silence STILL crew the black ships.....isn't that in faith and fire?

I don't remember, I'll have to check. Nifty if so.

[DrLove42]

Im pretty sure the SoS were wiped out to the last woman, between Prospero and the defence of the Emperors Palace from the Warp Rift in the basement.

[daboarder]

interestingly. The lex entry basically says that the fandom has no idea which of the two is right as its never been stated at or even hinted at either way.....but someone needs to crew the black ships

[Kaptain Badrukk]

Crewed by null-monkies. Specially trained to pull levers.
That's why the black ships always smell of bananas.........

[tallguynsc]

Seems the gamesworkshop website has updated the entry for the army lists as Sisters of Battle are now displayed as Adepta Sororitas.

[Blackcloud6]

Are these Crusaders from Finecast new? I have not noticed them before.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat660002a&prodId=prod1630046a&rootCatGameStyle=

[tallguynsc]

I'm fairly certain all the models for the Battle Conclave (DeathCult, Arco-Flagellants, Crusaders) were listed under Grey Knights portion of the GW website and not Sisters of Battle entry up until recently.

[Clockwork]

I'm fairly certain all the models for the Battle Conclave (DeathCult, Arco-Flagellants, Crusaders) were listed under Grey Knights and not Sisters of Battle up until recently.

They've been there since the codex dropped as far as I recall at least.

Either way they've been in Finecast for a while now.

[Blackcloud6]

They've been there since the codex dropped as far as I recall at least.

The "new" codex? It's out? I can't find it on iTunes.

[Clockwork]

The "new" codex? It's out? I can't find it on iTunes.

I was talking about the WD Dex.

Still waiting on the digital one. Might be this weekend.

[Blackcloud6]

I'm fairly certain all the models for the Battle Conclave (DeathCult, Arco-Flagellants, Crusaders) were listed under Grey Knights and not Sisters of Battle up until recently.

Looking at my WD SoB Codex, those are part of the Battle Conclave. I've never paid attention to the battle Conclave as I don't have one, nor an Ecclesiarchy Confessor. This is the first I've seen the Crusaders listed on the SoB portion of the GW army page.

[Blackcloud6]

I was talking about the WD Dex.

Still waiting on the digital one. Might be this weekend.

OK. I do hope it comes out soon.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

I think it's more likely to be next weekend or the one after, so it doesn't clash with the Dark Elves book release.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Looks like everything on hte GW Site has been renamed Adepta Sororitas...

[kore5022]

Looking at my WD SoB Codex, those are part of the Battle Conclave. I've never paid attention to the battle Conclave as I don't have one, nor an Ecclesiarchy Confessor. This is the first I've seen the Crusaders listed on the SoB portion of the GW army page.

They have been there for a long time, at least since the WD dex but i think since witch hunters. They got swapped from metal to finecast about 12 months ago

[HappyHaunt]

Regarding SoS - given that in the Eisenhorn/Ravenor books (and elsewhere) there is reference to "blanks" being uber rare then it seems massively unlikely that the Black Ships are crewed by psychic nulls - they would barely crew several ships yet alones the thousands they have. I seem to remember that on the Black Ships the prisoners are controlled by drugs/stasis etc and overseen by a low level Inquisitor. The Facebook page for GW Digital just put out the cover, which is different from the WD one.

[eldargal]

http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=5201&d=1380897539
Really beautiful.

[Kaptain Badrukk]

http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=5201&d=1380897539
Really beautiful.

Not gunna lie, VERY pleased!

[Cap'nSmurfs]

It's an amazing piece of art; the new name is awesome. Apparently the book includes an Altar of War (missions), too.

[Kaptain Badrukk]

10 WANT!;
20 DO UNTIL OWNED = 'Y';
GOTO 10;

Crap, now I'm caught in a recursive loop!

[eldargal]

I just hope they get around to releasing some new plastics for them before long. I mean given the calibre of the new Witch Elves the SoB release could potentially beat out Dark Eldar for best army revamp in the history of ever.

Hard to tell from the angle but her waist looks like it might not be ridiculously teeny even with the corset armour and the breasts are really quite restrained. She also has scars. I'm going to assume the lipstick and makeup is part of a SoB pre-battle ritual.

[Kirsten]

that pic is awesome.

[Blackcloud6]

GW announced on their Digital Editions FB page that this will be released on 19 Oct! Cool cover too.

[Blackcloud6]

Link to the Digital Editions FB page:

https://www.facebook.com/GamesWorkshopDigitalEditions

[Wolfshade]

I like it very much.
Female but not of rediculious proportions. And as you say given the new witch elves scults it is looking good.

[Kaptain Badrukk]

I'm excited, but I'm going to reserve too much spaffiness until AFTER I see A) A price-tag and B)If it's just a re-hash of the WD one or if it's actually a real re-do.

[Mr Mystery]

I just hope they get around to releasing some new plastics for them before long. I mean given the calibre of the new Witch Elves the SoB release could potentially beat out Dark Eldar for best army revamp in the history of ever.

Hard to tell from the angle but her waist looks like it might not be ridiculously teeny even with the corset armour and the breasts are really quite restrained. She also has scars. I'm going to assume the lipstick and makeup is part of a SoB pre-battle ritual.

Black eyes from nutting a heretic, and blood from biting someone?

[eldargal]

Probly. Also done by a female artist, Anna Steinbauer. #sororitas

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Amazing piece of art! now if only they could release plastic models that look like that...and as said, after seeing those witch elves. Come on GW :)

[ElectricPaladin]

Female but not of rediculious proportions. And as you say given the new witch elves scults it is looking good.

The makeup is a bit odd. One, she's a nun. Two, she's in a combat zone. What the heck?

However, I am willing to extend a little makeup into the realm of "heroically idealized." It's a debatable point, but at least they're wearing clothes.


I'm excited, but I'm going to reserve too much spaffiness until AFTER I see A) A price-tag and B)If it's just a re-hash of the WD one or if it's actually a real re-do.

I believe GW has officially stated that its more or less the same codex, but with tweaks and all the 6th Editiony stuff (Warlord Traits, etc.) they need.

[Bigred]

Is nice!

5207

And yes, everyone says its the White Dwarf release with Warlord Traits and minor tweaks to make it 6th Edition compliant.

[Deadlift]

Is nice!

5207

And yes, everyone says its the White Dwarf release with Warlord Traits and minor tweaks to make it 6th Edition compliant.

That's a lovely codex cover, I'm a bit disappointed as I guess this means that a proper SoB update is still some way away.

[eldargal]

Not necessarily, C:SM got a digital codex within a year of their new one.

[Nabterayl]

You know that within the Sororitas they have interminable arguments over makeup before battle just like old church ladies do.


"Sister Anna, why you puttin' lipstick on? You hoping to catch the Emperor's eye?"

"Sister Bethany, I'm just trying to look my best going into worship!"

[ElectricPaladin]

You know that within the Sororitas they have interminable arguments over makeup before battle just like old church ladies do.


"Sister Anna, why you puttin' lipstick on? You hoping to catch the Emperor's eye?"

"Sister Bethany, I'm just trying to look my best going into worship!"

The best part is picturing this happening in a foxhole, with bullets flying overhead.

EDIT: Naby, Did you just learn how to use the "indent" function here or something? :D

[Houghten]

Looks like everything on hte GW Site has been renamed Adepta Sororitas...

They've forgotten to re-sort the sidebar, though... the alphabetical order is all messed up now.

[DarkLink]

Not necessarily, C:SM got a digital codex within a year of their new one.

It's not like it costs that much to upload a pdf and add a few tweaks and suck whatever profit they can out of it before releasing a real codex.

[Deadlift]

Not necessarily, C:SM got a digital codex within a year of their new one.

One year, would be one year too late.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

I do think it's nice that they've gone an extra mile, with the new artwork, new scenarios, Warlord Traits and probably other updates. They could've just thrown up the White Dwarf codex but didn't. Of course, that vague feeling of goodwill will depend a little on what it costs. :)

[Solution9]

I'm not sure if I missed it somewhere in the topic but any suggestion as to the release?

[ElectricPaladin]

I'm not sure if I missed it somewhere in the topic but any suggestion as to the release?

In a week or two. October something-teenth.

[Blackcloud6]

I'm not sure if I missed it somewhere in the topic but any suggestion as to the release?

19 October.

[Pssyche]

5219

This picture is on Games Workshop Stockport, UK Facebook page, although I can't see it on Games Workshop Website.

[Solution9]

Great after I get underway for a month.

[Solution9]

19 October.

Great after I get underway for a month.

[Skullchewer]

On the Games Workshop digital Facebook page
http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2013/10/8/545462_sm-.jpg

https://www.facebook.com/GamesWorkshopDigitalEditions?hc_location=stream

[Dalleron]

So the ability to use a characters leadership within 12", + X to deny the witch rolls, make a unit fearless, give a unit furious charge for 1 turn, + X for killing characters if they can manage doing so, and some other similiar things. Big deal.

[ElectricPaladin]

So the ability to use a characters leadership within 12", + X to deny the witch rolls... Big deal.

Are you kidding me? That sounds incredible! Remember how high Sisters leadership is...

[Mr Mystery]

So the ability to use a characters leadership within 12", + X to deny the witch rolls, make a unit fearless, give a unit furious charge for 1 turn, + X for killing characters if they can manage doing so, and some other similiar things. Big deal.

And you were expecting? Warlord Traits are typically more useful than game winning. A strategic or tactical 'leg up' rather than a hammer blow to the enemy.

[daboarder]

sounds better than the chaos ones thats for sure.

that first one is going to be a VP for killing the enemy warlord in combat, I'll put money on it.

[Dalleron]

I wasn't expecting much. They're seemingly a rehash of the brb traits.

[daboarder]

I wasn't expecting much. They're seemingly a rehash of the brb traits.

....you don't even know what they DO yet.....

5 for example is most likely related to faith rolls, something most definitely NOT in the BRB

[Cap'nSmurfs]

Basically everytime warlord traits come out, people are all 'big deal'. Every time. Has it not cottoned on that this is basically the point,myet? They're just small bonus things, not Game Winning Powers.

Tau was an aberration.

[Dalleron]

While you are correct in that we don't know what they do yet, I think they are pretty obvious as to what they will be.

[daboarder]

care to put your list in writing? And can we bring it back up in two weeks?

[Badtucker]

http://www.blacklibrary.com/Blog/Codex:_Adepta_Sororitas.html

Alot more info/pointscosts and relics here :)

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Nice, good pieces of art on that page and it's nice to know theres a lot more backround in it too. I may buy it just to show theres interest in Sisters.

[ElectricPaladin]

Nice, good pieces of art on that page and it's nice to know theres a lot more backround in it too. I may buy it just to show theres interest in Sisters.

The simple fact that Simulacrae Imperialis are going down to half cost is very exciting.

[Blackcloud6]

Did you see that the battle Sisters Squad can have 15 additional Sisters? Man, what firepower that will bring!

[Patrick Boyle]

Did you see that the battle Sisters Squad can have 15 additional Sisters? Man, what firepower that will bring!

They are like that in the current WD codex too. The problem is building that squad will cost you somewhere around $130-140 bucks*, depending on what combo of special, heavy and sister superior weapons loadouts you take. And assuming the upgrade costs are roughly aligned with C:SM that means if you take two melta guns and a power sword, as an example, you've only used 275ish points of your army.

*6 of the 3 random bolter sister kits at $17.25, one of the sister superior models ranging from $12.25-13.25, a sister with the Simulacrum is $13.25 if you want that, all the heavy weapon sisters are $14 a pop, and all of the special weapon sisters are $9.90. At a bare minimum 7 of the 3 sister kits at $120.75 for a 20 sister squad with no upgrades, armed with nothing but boltguns, with one extra sister. So yeah, the range is a mess.

[Bigred]

via Black Library (http://www.blacklibrary.com/Blog/Codex:_Adepta_Sororitas.html) 10-9-2013

We know that there are still thousands of Sisters of Battle fans with lovingly painted collections of Sisters of Battle miniatures, but there is no easy way to get hold of a codex to use them in your games. We wanted to provide an up to date codex that would be fully compatible with the current edition of Warhammer 40,000 and let players bring the forces of the Ecclesiarchy to the battlefield once more.

The starting point for this codex was the mini Codex published in White Dwarf (it being the closest to current way of building an army). One thing that you may not know about the White Dwarf codex is that much of the background that was written for it was never put into the magazine due to space restrictions. There is no such issue with digital editions, so much of the background in the digital codex has never been printed before.

The rules of course, have been updated as well. All the newer Codexes contain army-specific Warlord Traits and unique items, and this Codex is no exception.

Existing players will also notice a few other changes, particularly the way Acts of Faith work with your army. There are even a few additions that other newer Codexes don’t have, such as Apocalypse Formations and Altar of War scenarios.

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Digital release only - ships October 11th

[Billyjoeray]

What I noticed (and I hope it's not a typo) is that a basic Battle Sister squad of 5 Sisters can take a special weapon AND another special or a heavy weapon, without adding any more sisters! Sisters may be the MSU dream army because you can cram 2 meltaguns or 2 flamers into a battle sister squad (and then add a combi-superior for cheap) and dump them in an Immolater and you've got quite a large amount of specialized firepower for about how much a 10 man tactical squad costs right now.

I think that sisters have the capability to be a sleeper contender at tournaments because no one will be ready for what they do (like they were with the old codex).

[ElectricPaladin]

Has anyone got an idea what they're likely to cost?

[Slacker]

Has anyone got an idea what they're likely to cost?

We'll know on Saturday when they go on pre-order, but if I were to guess, considering they've gone through the trouble of making both the e-book version and the interactive version, I would not be surprised if they'll be asking regular full codex price ($49 US) for the interactive and probably $30-$33 US for the e-book.

[kore5022]

The simple fact that Simulacrae Imperialis are going down to half cost is very exciting.

Yeah but the current BSS squad (9 sisters + vss) is up by 5 points

[DarkLink]

Hopefully Faith is better to make up for the fact that Sisters are otherwise just crappy Marines.

[Bigred]

I for one am NOT IMPRESSED at the lack of a physical codex for this.

So variant armies like Farsight Enclave get a physical book, yet a CORE ARMY in the game with an existing miniatures range doesn't?

That is BUL#SH!T!

I have an enormous Sisters army - and they are staying in the case.

I sincerely hope GW comes to their senses and provides a hardcover (hell even a softcover will do). If they can print the limited runs for Iyanden, they can do a hardcover for the Sororitas.

[daboarder]

I for one am NOT IMPRESSED at the lack of a physical codex for this.

So variant armies like Farsight Enclave get a physical book, yet a CORE ARMY in the game with an existing miniatures range doesn't?

That is BUL#SH!T!

I have an enormous Sisters army - and they are staying in the case.

I sincerely hope GW comes to their senses and provides a hardcover (hell even a softcover will do). If they can print the limited runs for Iyanden, they can do a hardcover for the Sororitas.

Aww don't say that bigred, I can guarantee almost any player would love to fight your sisters, its such an awesome and different game.

Plus the new squads look beastly, 5 sister squads with double specials in an immolator.....BURN THEM ALL!!

I know I will be hitting up ebay to do a sisters force, I'm tired of waiting for plastics and I think my GS skills are good enough for me to atleast do a 1000pt force the way I want them.

[Exterminatus]

ARrgghh..this is killing me. just put out a new book already GW...
I have a few sister as well that I wana use, like 5k worth >.<

[eldargal]

Holy God Emperor, some of that art is gorgeous:
http://www.blacklibrary.com/Images/Games-Workshop-Digital/October/blog/city-saint.jpg
http://www.blacklibrary.com/Images/Games-Workshop-Digital/October/blog/penitent.jpg
^What Repentia should look like, not dominatrices.


Hopefully Faith is better to make up for the fact that Sisters are otherwise just crappy Marines.
They are not remotely Marines and they are not crappy. I really loath this attitude, no offense, as it amounts to declaring Marine statline the default baseline rather than what it is (super elite) and then grasping for whatever vague similarities between other units you can to declare them Marine like in some way. In this case really only the 3+ save.

[Bigred]

And I have a enormous Sisters army. I even have 3 Penetent Engines.... and Frateris Militia...

If this stopgap digital edition is meant to only fill in the gap till the "real codex" arrives and that is why no physical edition is coming - then it should also have "stopgap pricing".

We will find out Friday exactly what GW thinks that price is.

[ElectricPaladin]

And I have a enormous Sisters army. I even have 3 Penetent Engines.... and Frateris Militia...

If this stopgap digital edition is meant to only fill in the gap till the "real codex" arrives and that is why no physical edition is coming - then it should also have "stopgap pricing".

We will find out Friday exactly what GW thinks that price is.

While I am a little more agnostic about the utility of an electronic stopgap codex, I definitely agree that stopgap product should equal stopgap pricing. We'll see how that shakes out.

[daboarder]

Man I must be one of the only people who thinks this is the most exciting releases of the year, Seriously I cannot WAIT to get a SoB army.....soooo Cool.....oooo It would be great if they say got access to the storm raven or something like that....

[eldargal]

Man I must be one of the only people who thinks this is the most exciting releases of the year, Seriously I cannot WAIT to get a SoB army.....soooo Cool.....oooo It would be great if they say got access to the storm raven or something like that....
Nope I'm excited, mostly for the background section but I hope they do a decent job with the rules update. The WD codex wasn't terrible it just needed more work and some changes to point costs and the like. If they hve done a better job this time I will be pleased.

[ElectricPaladin]

Man I must be one of the only people who thinks this is the most exciting releases of the year, Seriously I cannot WAIT to get a SoB army.....soooo Cool.....oooo It would be great if they say got access to the storm raven or something like that....

Oh, man, if the Sisters get some kind of flying transport I will be all the hell over that. Personally, I hope that if they get anything, they get the IG flyer... mostly because I already have a stormraven, and the variety would be nice.

If we didn't already know that this codex will include no new units, I'd be praying for some kind of Sisters-specific flyer. That said "no new" doesn't necessarily mean "nothing new to the Sisters." Additionally, I strongly suspect that the Sisters will get some kind of anti-air - this is an "update for 6th Edition," after all - and letting them borrow another Imperial army's flyer would be one way of doing that...

[daboarder]

Wait we know it says no new units?.....aww guess I will get those arvus lighters for when I run allies then.

[ElectricPaladin]

Wait we know it says no new units?.....aww guess I will get those arvus lighters for when I run allies then.

I think one of GW's staff said something to that effect on their Facebook page, where they first released the cover art.

[DarkLink]

They are not remotely Marines and they are not crappy. I really loath this attitude, no offense, as it amounts to declaring Marine statline the default baseline rather than what it is (super elite) and then grasping for whatever vague similarities between other units you can to declare them Marine like in some way. In this case really only the 3+ save.

Oh, chill out. I have a Sisters army, too. But the WD, as it exists, is basically T/S 3 Marines with fewer special weapons, units, and special rules, for almost as expensive. If they did a proper job with the codex, then, yes, Sisters are very different. But this is a comment on the quality of their current rules rather than their place in the game.

[Kaptain Badrukk]

Which is in the kitchen making a sandwich? :p


Please don't kill me EG, you know I'm only joking, I just couldn't resist:eek:

[DarkLink]

My Sisters stay in my bedroom.

Which sounds pretty bad out of context.


But serously, with the Witchhunters codex they were a very unique army, with lots of cool options thanks to Faith points. Now, though, Faith is just a crappy version of Chapter Tactics, basically, and Sisters themselves, lacking the neat options they lost from the WH codex, are basically 12pt T/S 3 Marines without ATSKNF. Sounds like this digital book might improve them, but they really need an actual codex that gives them back the stuff that made them special.

[Nabterayl]

But serously, with the Witchhunters codex they were a very unique army, with lots of cool options thanks to Faith points. Now, though, Faith is just a crappy version of Chapter Tactics, basically, and Sisters themselves, lacking the neat options they lost from the WH codex, are basically 12pt T/S 3 Marines without ATSKNF. Sounds like this digital book might improve them, but they really need an actual codex that gives them back the stuff that made them special.
Reading between the lines here, is your problem with Faith that units now have "signature" faith powers to which they are restricted, rather than choosing from an army-wide pool of powers?

[Power Klawz]

I figure that the main issue with faith powers is that they don't scale very well at all past a certain army size sweet spot.

[ElectricPaladin]

My opinion is that the Sisters are definitely facing an interregnum. They aren't supposed to be slightly cheaper, slightly crappier Marines... but it is kind of what they are right now. Faith just isn't reliable enough, so Sisters are forced to rely on fielding a horde of power armor in order to survive. If Faith effects were more reliable, or - I don't know - had a stepped system, where you could get one effect for free and another, stronger effect if you succeeded on a roll, or something, then it would be worth it. As it is... Add into that how the Faith system starts to fall apart at about 1.5k points. Their HQs and Elites are a joke, and they only have only a single Troops choice.

The current codex is a mess. It's fun, if your opponent makes sure to play a fun-and-fluffy army, but in any kind of serious game, they struggle.

Even worse, because of the limited options, list building is boring.

That said, I firmly believe the Sisters they will get better, sooner or later. When they do, it will be as a brand new thing, not just crappy-but-numerous-Marines-with-faith-based-chapter-tactics. You might say that I... have faith :cool:.

[DarkLink]

Reading between the lines here, is your problem with Faith that units now have "signature" faith powers to which they are restricted, rather than choosing from an army-wide pool of powers?

It's also that they're unreliable. Need to rally a unit with Fearless? Only works on a 4+. And you get a very limited and unreliable pool of Faith points. imagine if Chapter Tactics only worked on a 5+, or a 4+ if you took a vet, and you only got D6 a turn. Marine players would be pretty pissed.

[ElectricPaladin]

It's also that they're unreliable. Need to rally a unit with Fearless? Only works on a 4+. And you get a very limited and unreliable pool of Faith points. imagine if Chapter Tactics only worked on a 5+, or a 4+ if you took a vet, and you only got D6 a turn. Marine players would be pretty pissed.

As usual, DL hit the nail on the head.

[DarkLink]

Even if they were just more analogous to, say, GK squad psychic powers, they would be great. 2-3 default ones (fearless, rending attacks) available to everyone, a unique one for each unit, each unit may attempt one faith test per turn, plus one for attached ICs, and it's just a straight leadership check, that would be great.

[xbenblasterx]

Apologies if this question has already been raised, I was just wondering as to the possibility of new Sisters figures coming in the future? I'd very much like to re-kindle old alliences between them and the Grey Knights

[DarkLink]

Probably not for a while.

[eldargal]

Oh, chill out. I have a Sisters army, too. But the WD, as it exists, is basically T/S 3 Marines with fewer special weapons, units, and special rules, for almost as expensive. If they did a proper job with the codex, then, yes, Sisters are very different. But this is a comment on the quality of their current rules rather than their place in the game.
I'm quite 'chill', I just don't like people comparing dissimilar things based on a few superficial comparisons in order to denigrate the other. It stifles critical thinking. SoB are not inferior marines, they are just poorly written SoB.

I do agree on Faith points, far too unreliable. I don't mind the rolling but the combination of needing a dice roll AND having a severely limited pool of points is just too much. Especially when the powers are quite mediocre to rubbish as well. The system works for WFB magic and psychic powers because some of those abilities are extremely useful.

[ElectricPaladin]

The system works for WFB magic and psychic powers because some of those abilities are extremely useful.

Also, psychic tests are paper tigers. Every psyker I've ever played has Leadership 10. Even the Imperial Guard psyker HQ is Leadership what... 9? How often is that going to fail? I could do the math, but I can't be bothered right now - not often.

Compare that to needing a 6 on a d6 for a faith power to go off. Even with various boosts and rerolls, psychic powers are much more reliable than Faith... and all those boosts and rerolls are situational, or need to be bought with points.

[Aldavaer]

Also, psychic tests are paper tigers. Every psyker I've ever played has Leadership 10. Even the Imperial Guard psyker HQ is Leadership what... 9? .

Not disagreeing but just to note Eldar Warlocks are only leadership 8.

[ElectricPaladin]

Not disagreeing but just to note Eldar Warlocks are only leadership 8.

The Eldar I was playing against on Tuesday didn't fail a single check. Maybe he was Ld 8, but he had rerolls coming out his wazoo. It was really impressive.

But yeah. Point being: paper tiger.

[eldargal]

Right, between high LD tests for psykers and warp charge the system is balanced even when the powers are powerful. Ditto for WFB magic. The trouble with Faith is the abilities are without exception poor to acceptable, require taking charges from a limited pool and require a dice roll. It's just a poor system. I get that perhaps they didn't want the army to revolve around Acts of Faith but it went too much in direction of 'why bother at all'.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I'm currently converting Sisters of Battle out of the Sisters of Avelorn kit, they are tasty.

[daboarder]

Pic's or I don't believe it!

seriously though, sharing is caring.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Not done yet.

[daboarder]

well stick em up in the WIP area, god know plenty of my stuff is

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Fret not, they are coming.

[daboarder]

Fret not, they are coming.

I'll be waiting then.....(we need a shifty eyes emote)

[eldargal]

Fret not, they are coming.
Hur.

[Mr Mystery]

Bah. Ninja'd!

[Skullchewer]

For the impatient among us....
http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2013/10/11/546204_sm-.png

[Kaptain Badrukk]

oh well, no more hitting PF5 for me.

[JMichael]

Looks like the digital Codex goes up for PreOrder on the 12th with a release next week (poss the 19th).
This info from the Games Workshop: Digital Editions Facebook page banner.

Too bad, I have a Tournament this weekend and would've liked to use the the codex in it!

[gresha]

Preorder is up on the Black Library site (http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Codex-Adepta-Sororitas.html). They added a whole bunch of 1-Click Collections (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat440161a&rootCatGameStyle=wh40k) for order on the GW site but the prices are insane. I'll let you see for yourself.

Edit: Just did the math and the 1 click Battle Sisters actually looks to be a few bucks cheaper (about $5) then doing it individually. Haven't checked the other ones.

[Brakkart]

Well the Digital Codex is now up for order, and GW are making a thing of it on their website, with a totally re-arranged Adepta Sororitas section, with figures now sold in squads as well as singularly and even a limited time (until Oct 24th) whole army 1-click collection which comes with a poster hand signed by John Blanche! Sadly the squads don't seem to be any cheaper though.

[interrogator_chaplain]

Step 1. Go to GW Site.
Step 2. Go to Canadian Site.
Step 3. Go to New Releases Warhammer 40,000.
Step 4. Look at Sister Battle Squad.
Step 5. Pick jaw up from floor.

[eldargal]

Fifty pounds for a 10 woman squad, so sad.:(

[Exterminatus]

Yea, not impressed. It's just all the old stuff repackaged. :mad:

[ElectricPaladin]

I don't know what they're getting at... if it's true that they want to dump the metal models, shouldn't they be offering them at an actual discount? And if they aren't trying to dump them, what are they doing?

I give up. This is just a company that likes to punch itself in the nuts. There's no other explanation.

[Solution9]

On the other hand however, the Immolator is quite inexpensive.

[YorkNecromancer]

I don't know what they're getting at... if it's true that they want to dump the metal models, shouldn't they be offering them at an actual discount?

It's not true. GW's official policy is (and has been since at least 2007) to never dump models or offer discounts. This preserves the prices of their other models. Models for discontinued lines are either melted down to be reused, or destroyed. So, you will almost definitely never, EVER see a discount for out-of-date models in a current official outlet.


And if they aren't trying to dump them, what are they doing?

How many people do you know who play Death Korp of Krieg?

The simple truth is that not every army is for every gamer. Some are for collectors. You know, those scumbags who will play inflated prices for pure tat because it makes them feel special.

These are known as "ostentatious goods", and they behave very differently to other goods. Normally, when you reduce the price of something, sales increase. For ostentatious goods, the inverse is true: the higher the price, the more sales increase. This is because part of the appeal is the bragging rights that come with simply owning the object. After all: what use is a diamond ring? Why are designer trainers better than cheap ones? Because they last longer? I'll just buy a new pair of cheap trainers and spend the money I've saved on something else. For someone who loves that designer label, be it Nike, Louis Vutton, Games Workshop, the idea of buying a cheap knockoff is laughable - the cheaper version just isn't the same.

Consider: why is the Forge World Horus Heresy: Betrayal book £70? That price is ****ing insane, completely and utterly ****ing insane, and anyone who claims otherwise is deluded. That book could be released in paperback with black and white art, or no art, and sold for less than £10. But it's not, because Forge World has positioned itself as being for "the collector"; that guy who will buy things at any price because they have made owning stuff part of their identity. "Oh, I could get the normal edition, but I'm a real fan, so I'll get the one that shows off how much a fan I am."

If you can in any way relate to that mindset, you have understood how ostentatious goods work. It's why codicies are £30 and hardback in full colour. I hate full colour hardback books, hate 'em (because full colour hardback adds nothing but doubles the price) but yet GW only make them that way, because a discount version would taint the "high-quality only" corporate image.

GW are not allergic to money; they have a very simple strategy predicated upon making their products seem to be without peer. Reduced prices would make that for a lie.

[eldargal]

I don't know though, I agree with nearly all you said but personally the high production value of the HH books make them worth it. Fifty pounds for a squad of SoB is something I can afford but wouldn't pay, just not worth it. I love SoB but I'd really question anyone who thinks fifty pounds for a basic ten person squad is acceptable.:(

[Cap'nSmurfs]

It's also not like GW invented the idea of the "prestige" book with nice colour art and a cover that'll actually last. I've got several coffee-table books from museum exhibits and the like, they cost pretty much the same amount, for the same kinds of production values.

I think your analysis is spot-on, YorkN.

[Kirsten]

Consider: why is the Forge World Horus Heresy: Betrayal book £70? That price is ****ing insane, completely and utterly ****ing insane, and anyone who claims otherwise is deluded. That book could be released in paperback with black and white art, or no art, and sold for less than £10. But it's not, because Forge World has positioned itself as being for "the collector"; that guy who will buy things at any price because they have made owning stuff part of their identity. "Oh, I could get the normal edition, but I'm a real fan, so I'll get the one that shows off how much a fan I am."

I agree with a lot of what you say, but this is complete and utter bull.

[eldargal]

Yep, I mean the artwork and production quality is really high

[DarkLink]

I don't know though, I agree with nearly all you said but personally the high production value of the HH books make them worth it. Fifty pounds for a squad of SoB is something I can afford but wouldn't pay, just not worth it. I love SoB but I'd really question anyone who thinks fifty pounds for a basic ten person squad is acceptable.:(

I was like, I'm going to buy this codex just so GW knows people want a new book and they might get a real update. And then I saw how absurdly overpriced everything was, and I'm like, ok GW, you win this time. No codex for me.

[Lancel]

I don't know though, I agree with nearly all you said but personally the high production value of the HH books make them worth it. Fifty pounds for a squad of SoB is something I can afford but wouldn't pay, just not worth it. I love SoB but I'd really question anyone who thinks fifty pounds for a basic ten person squad is acceptable.:(

Same age old problem with the Sisters for being shorted off to the point of now being the only army left in metal, where all other armies are now mainly finecast and plastic. For the price of one Sisters squad you could buy much more in any other army, and have bits left over. People don't buy them because they're too expensive, they're too expensive because they're all-metal, but they don't seem willing to give them a full update unless people buy them. There has been some suggestion that if the digital codex sells well they might make a hardback release of the codex at least.

A possibility might be to buy the codex but not the models. It's a little unorthodox, but it could be used to tell them "Hey, we like the Sisters, but the model range needs an update." Though I understand if you don't, it seems kinda pointless to buy a codex when you aren't even going to field an army. I preordered the codex anyway, though admittedly I already have an army to field.

[Solution9]

I'm did the same thing. I preordered the codex because my philosophy is that if it shows there is enough interest in the army by people preordering and purchasing upon release then it should shake GW out of entropy to convert the metal to plastic/finecast. If we support the codex I believe GW will support the army a lot more.

[YorkNecromancer]

I agree with a lot of what you say, but this is complete and utter bull.

Why? Genuinely curious.


personally the high production value of the HH books make them worth it.

Yep, I mean the artwork and production quality is really high

I don't disagree. The point is: why is there no low production value option? Where's the cheap and cheerful, Penguin books-style paperback version?

Answer: there will never be one, because if there was, it would make Forge World look cheap and that doesn't fit their "Collectors Only" image. If anyone can buy their stuff, how can the collectors feel good about showing off the toys they just bought? That's how ostentatious goods work. They're not only about the good, their about the prestige the good provides. Forge World are all about projecting the image of luxury, of prestige. Hence instead of a compact, paperback book printed on light paper, we get a leatherbound, £70 monster that weighs damn near five kilos and is a pain in the arse to read. It physically hurts to hold the damn thing in your hand for more than an hour because of the heavy-grade paper, solid cover.

It's a completely ostentatious good, and is explicitly designed as such. Just like the Adepta Sororitas at the moment.

I imagine that the recent price doubling of already high prices which bring them into line with Forge World's is probably a consequence of Forge World's success; GW can price their stuff however they want, and it'll sell, and the higher the prices, the more it sells, not the less.

Ostentatious goods are weird like that.

[HappyHaunt]

Given the whole industry is essentially luxury goods I don't think that makes much sense. Not many people would be interested in a cheap crappy version of the FW books as quality is more than just the paper used.

The Adepta Soriotas release is stupid overpriced given no new known confirmed model support - £15 was my limit for it so I am not spending £25 on "support" for them. Screw GW it's their loss if they abandon a range, and I don't think the quality of the models lends them to being some kind of prestige army like FW stuff - they are okay but you'd just buy FW stuff instead, heck they should give the Sisters to FW to do!

I am always confused when people talk about hobby goods in the same terms as essentials - compared to model railways, photography - a whole host of hobbies - price gouging is relatively tame in wargaming!

[Wolfrahm]

Well they must of heard us and decided it was about time to show love our way. Having the rules and being fixed for 6th I'm glad of, hope there are a lot sold.
as soon as I get it, I will go thru the amies first and see what has been thrown our way, hopefully models soon,

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Said it before but I'll say it again. I don't think it would kill GW to release 1 plastic boxset that makes Sisters, Celestians, Dominions and Retributers. It's quite possible to make a box like that (see : Grey Knights PA kit) and would cover most of the Sisters infantry types in one kit making them far more viable for people.

[Kaptain Badrukk]

I don't disagree. The point is: why is there no low production value option? Where's the cheap and cheerful, Penguin books-style paperback version?


They used to do them. A long while ago, in a galaxy far far away, GW consulted their customers. Their customers said "We want cheap and cheerful codex books." And GW obliged.
It was not long before GW customers began to complain "Where is the fluff? Why are these books so thin?"
An lo, GW did bring back the thick codex and the customers said "This is more expensive, WTF?!?"
And GW said "Screw this, why do we bother to ask if they complain no matter what we do? Let's just do what we want to do and they can complain all they want."
It's also, from an internal POV, what killed staff weight order and staff Christmas gifts. Basically GW aren't good at dealing with ingratitude and tend to go nuclear on the ungrateful.

[daboarder]

the cheap and cheerful version is the ebook

[Harley]

It's hilarious that hardcore WH/Sisters of Battle players such as myself have been scolded for years at our unhappiness with GW and the state of our army. Then when a new "codex" comes out and the rest of you lot all look at the prices of the models you are aghast and cry fowl.

This is not news. We SoB players have been dealing with these insane prices for our army for years and worse (such as no availability of a codex and gutting of many old units). Welcome to our side of the table.

[eldargal]

It's hilarious that hardcore WH/Sisters of Battle players such as myself have been scolded for years at our unhappiness with GW and the state of our army. Then when a new "codex" comes out and the rest of you lot all look at the prices of the models you are aghast and cry fowl.

This is not news. We SoB players have been dealing with these insane prices for our army for years and worse (such as no availability of a codex and gutting of many old units). Welcome to our side of the table.
I've never seen anyone scold SoB players for complaining about the state of their army.

Some more lovely art from the book:
http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m3500165a_2xl.jpg
http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m3500175a_7xl.jpg
http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m3500177a_8xl.jpg

[madlants]

Said it before but I'll say it again. I don't think it would kill GW to release 1 plastic boxset that makes Sisters, Celestians, Dominions and Retributers. It's quite possible to make a box like that (see : Grey Knights PA kit) and would cover most of the Sisters infantry types in one kit making them far more viable for people.

This. We could always try converting, but with the parts that are available, it's not easy. You'll probably have to use non-GW bits and quite a bit of green stuff. Just ONE BOXED KIT of battle sisters solves SO many problems for this army. On top of being able to make the above, you could convert a Palatine/Canoness with parts from the kit. That's roughly half the army list, including the units you're going to be fielding the most of. I'd also like to see a box of Seraphim and a box of Repentia, but it's not really necessary. Coincidentally, the Repentia are one of the slightly more affordable SoB things to buy on the GW website, but dang do I find those models fugly.

On the upside, the book has some pretty sweet art. That top one on eldargal's previous post is originally from DH.

[Dalleron]

Nice artwork is all well and good, but if rules and models are other things that define an army. I'm more curious about those than the artwork.

[Skullchewer]

I see this very much as a testing the waters experiment for GW. They obviously see a lot of people talking about SoB on forums (assuming they do read forums, which I sometimes wonder about given some of their decisions), and have decided to do a small update to gauge consumer reaction. If this digital release does well i would expect to see more love for the Adeptas Sororitas in the future.
To that end I have pre-ordered the digital codex, despite not having a single SOB model myself (The Mrs has Celestine, counts as Inquisitor Valeria for her Grey Knights), to show support for the long suffering SoB fans. It will probably lead me to play a Sororitas army at some point, so I hope my theory is right.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

I think that's exactly right, Skullchewer. One of the other factors is that they want to be able to show Sisters players that they're not forgotten or abandoned, that while new miniatures still aren't here they're still going to get book support, with new art, new background, new missions, and so on. If it sells well, then that sends a message back to them.

[Skullchewer]

Indeed. Win win. And the new art looks ace.

[ElectricPaladin]

The question for me is not "how unfair is it that we don't get new models?" That's just a reality and there's no sense griping about it, past a certain point. The question is "how can they balance the Sisters with the rest of 6th Edition without giving them new models?" The answer to that remains to be seen.

I must also admit that my commitment to this is relatively minor. I'll buy the codex to show support, but my Sisters of Battle collection is tiny - an Allied detachment (though I have two squads of battle sisters and transports for them, so its technically legal for very small games). I'd like to buy more, but I'm not going to bother until they are plastic and not ridiculously expensive. I can see how someone who is more devoted to the Sisters could be a lot more frustrated with this situation.

[Kaptain Badrukk]

The question for me is not "how unfair is it that we don't get new models?" That's just a reality and there's no sense griping about it, past a certain point. The question is "how can they balance the Sisters with the rest of 6th Edition without giving them new models?" The answer to that remains to be seen.

I must also admit that my commitment to this is relatively minor. I'll buy the codex to show support, but my Sisters of Battle collection is tiny - an Allied detachment (though I have two squads of battle sisters and transports for them, so its technically legal for very small games). I'd like to buy more, but I'm not going to bother until they are plastic and not ridiculously expensive. I can see how someone who is more devoted to the Sisters could be a lot more frustrated with this situation.

Agree.
I have about 30 sisters, with weapons and wot-not and an exorcist.
Enough to field a very small army, but I wouldn't mind being able to field a real force and metal prices make it too expensive to justify for now. Maybe later though.

[ElectricPaladin]

I have about 30 sisters, with weapons and wot-not and an exorcist.

25 sisters, a canoness, the special character flying sister, an exorcist, an immolator, and two rhinos. It comes out to almost enough for a 750 game. I'm hoping that with relics and whatnot I'll be able to beef up my army to the point that I can play at that lowest of bars.

[Kaptain Badrukk]

Heck, it's a nice allied force for guard, because it's not marines AGAIN.

[ElectricPaladin]

Heck, it's a nice allied force for guard, because it's not marines AGAIN.

Ah, but for that to work I'd have to play Guard or have the remotest interest in starting them... sadly, all my Imperial armies are marines: Exorcists (Ultramarines Codex) and Knights of Blood (Blood Angels Codex). That said, Sisters do make good cheap scoring allies for marines armies, especially ones who play as balls-out-aggressively as the Blood Angels.

[Kaptain Badrukk]

Too true.
Plus they allow you to get a lot of flamers and heavy flamers on the board, allowing your marines to deliver the meltas and plasmas to the right places safe in the knowledge that the sisters are cleaning up the cover.

[eldargal]

Huh, I just noticed the big SoB bundle included a signed John Blanche poster. Mighty temptin'...

[Blackcloud6]

I pre-ordered the iTunes enhanced version of the Coex last night. I'm looking forward to it. I am also thinking of getting the Battle Conclave kit too.

[ElectricPaladin]

I pre-ordered the iTunes enhanced version of the Coex last night. I'm looking forward to it. I am also thinking of getting the Battle Conclave kit too.

I really don't get why we're pre-ordering. What's the point? They're going to run out?

I'll probably do it when I have the time... but it seems a bit pointless.

[KaiZie]

What we'll probably see is, 6 - 12 months after the digiatl codex the army will hopefully hit. Maybe longer, they could be the last hit of 6th edition before going into 7th. Either way, I'd put money on a proper army release if the digital dex is recieved well enough.

[Blackcloud6]

I really don't get why we're pre-ordering. What's the point? They're going to run out?

I'll probably do it when I have the time... but it seems a bit pointless.

Order it now, or it later, doesn't matter. But it will download automatically the day it comes out and I don't have to worry about it.