Black Legion supplement next

[eldargal]

So, I've heard from a little birdy that Black Legion will be getting the next supplement. No idea if that will be August or not though, seeing as August is a WFB month.
He's been right about everything he has said since the High Elf release so...

[Wolfshade]

This could be interesting...

[DrLove42]

I would say "Thats Wierd Black Legion can be done really normally with the codex. Just lots of marines and chosen!"

But then the two we know and have so far can also be done really easily with the current codexes

Interesting to see what they say about the 13th Crusade

[eldargal]

I've always felt C:CSM has been the 'warband codex' rather than Black Legion. Hoping this supplement might give BL a bit more character.

[Wolfshade]

Perhaps some buffs and veterans from the various crusades...

[Caitsidhe]

I expect there will be buffs for all those models which aren't selling. I won't complain if it makes it actually worth it to put some of them on the table.

[Learn2Eel]

I expect it will be released alongside Lizardmen if indeed the two are slated for an August release.

[Psychosplodge]

Fluttershy posts on Warseer? O_O


A 40k codex supplement might be appropriate for a WFB month...

[Deadlift]

This could be interesting...

Could be, I think Deathguard, Thousand Sons, Emperors Children or World eaters would have been a better choice over Black Legion. I could see people going nuts for Deathguard.

[Mr Mystery]

Black Legion does make sense... After all, it's homogenous. Survivors of all Legions signed up.

And I get a feeling we're still at the experimental stage for the Appendexes. Introduce and build normality with more 'sure thing' ones. Then begin to diverge.

[Sly]

Could be, I think Deathguard, Thousand Sons, Emperors Children or World eaters would have been a better choice over Black Legion. I could see people going nuts for Deathguard.

I'd go nuts over Thousand Sons, largely because Deathguard can be done with the current Codex as a pretty strong list, so all you'd get is a more fluffy list. But Thousand Sons need actual stats/rules help, so a supplement for them would both add a fluffy list and, hopefully, make the units a whole lot better. Plague Marines squads don't really need help as they are strong enough now, but Thousand Sons have some big problems.

[Kirsten]

it isn't really about what force can or can't be done with the existing book though, the supplements are background first, rules second. a couple of tweaks, maybe a warlord trait chart, it is not the only way to make force x. you can have an amazing iyanden army without ever having the iyanden supplement.

[Caitsidhe]

it isn't really about what force can or can't be done with the existing book though, the supplements are background first, rules second. a couple of tweaks, maybe a warlord trait chart, it is not the only way to make force x. you can have an amazing iyanden army without ever having the iyanden supplement.

Possibly. There is no guarantee the will keep with that, however, as Games Workshop is consistently inconsistent.

[Mr.Pickelz]

I'm curious to see what Warlord chart BL gets, and if any new daemonweapons come along.

[juliusb]

I'm just hoping that Abaddon unlocks cult marines as troops. My army had one each of Plague, 2k Sons, Noise and Berserker marines and it was quite a fun and good-looking army to play with.

[Eberk]

Happy to see a Chaos Space Marine Codex Supplement...

Sad because it isn't Emperors Children.


Sure going to buy it :)

[Kirsten]

Possibly. There is no guarantee the will keep with that, however, as Games Workshop is consistently inconsistent.

no possibly about it, at this point there is no reason to assume anything other than the evidence we already have. no point making wild guesses about how future books might play out, and no point saying x faction is unlikely because it is already doable.

[Denzark]

The current Black Legion Fluff (by which I mean legion troops in their legion specific armour, with the armour black, and the head the correct colour) is a bit pants - whilst I accept it as canon, and I understand that abaddon can unite all legions into a Black Crusade, the truth is that Abaddon is too good a leader to put a mixed force of inimical legions together. True legionaires stick to their legion. Black Legion might have a berzerker equivalent or a Noise Marine equivalent, but unless they are from world eaters or emperors children geneseed, I don't see them as the real deal - and legionnaires don't hopscotch between legions. As a result, I contend that Black Legion is probably the last of all legions we should see as it is the least interesting - and most likely to be consider OP/broken by whingers, because the only way to represent BL as per the fluff, would be to allow chosen or cult troops (KB, PM, NM, TS) as troops in the FOC.

[Caitsidhe]

no possibly about it, at this point there is no reason to assume anything other than the evidence we already have. no point making wild guesses about how future books might play out, and no point saying x faction is unlikely because it is already doable.

Heh. There is every reason to assume. That is the nature of assumptions. Games Workshop is a business, and their primary sales is models. There were a lot of new models released that haven't been moving. Call it a wild guess if you like, but I suspect that this supplement will have a lot more tech in it than the previous ones. Care to make a friendly wager?

[vharing]

I am hoping for more daemon weapons and better chosen. And maybe last use of cultists. When I got my dark vengence set I started painting them Black Legion any way so I am excited

[SON OF ROMULOUS]

about as excited to hear of this as i was to hear of smurfs getting their own supplement...... :/ not going to be getting this or the smurfs either.... seriously you can already do corsairs and black legion with the current book so why not focus on WE DG sons and EC.... you know the other major factions that their only nod is a cult troop and a SC... or even better why not do legion lords and iron warriors... you know the other forgotten legions of chaos....

[Kazzigum]

about as excited to hear of this as i was to hear of smurfs getting their own supplement...... :/ not going to be getting this or the smurfs either.... seriously you can already do corsairs and black legion with the current book so why not focus on WE DG sons and EC.... you know the other major factions that their only nod is a cult troop and a SC... or even better why not do legion lords and iron warriors... you know the other forgotten legions of chaos....

While I can't say that I'm a big fan of the BL, especially the boring Abbadon, I WILL be buying this. I mean it is Chaos after all, so that makes it better than pretty much everything else in my eyes. But even more importantly, if they ARE doing this,particularly if it comes out in August that gives me hope. That would pretty much confirm a pattern of intending to do one of these every month, which is flat out awesome. Because if they do that, then that means that at long last we will eventually get a book for all the original traitor legions. This means that I can finally get z Thousand Sons book, and let's face it, there's nothing more awesome than that.

Sooo, I will buy all Chaos related books they do of these, even if I don't play that legion. I will do what I can to bring the glory of the Thousand Sons back from the dust. Besides, Chaos rules.

Remember, everything is better with a tentacle. Or three.

[SON OF ROMULOUS]

i just can't i know some will agree and other will rage but seriously we just had codex black legion and comdex ultra marines and there already talking about giving both marine armies that "everyone wants to be" is such a waste. you can already do a black legion list.. which should mainly be made up of black legionaires anyhow and not cult troops.... you already get one broken gamespoiler... and now they are going to be getting the first chaos mini dex.... seriously? why not release tsons? world eaters? death guard? noise marines anyone? sonic dreads? night lords alphs legion iron warriors? word bearers? anyone please tell me why we have to stomach through a codex black legion mk3......

[Learn2Eel]

i just can't i know some will agree and other will rage but seriously we just had codex black legion and comdex ultra marines and there already talking about giving both marine armies that "everyone wants to be" is such a waste. you can already do a black legion list.. which should mainly be made up of black legionaires anyhow and not cult troops.... you already get one broken gamespoiler... and now they are going to be getting the first chaos mini dex.... seriously? why not release tsons? world eaters? death guard? noise marines anyone? sonic dreads? night lords alphs legion iron warriors? word bearers? anyone please tell me why we have to stomach through a codex black legion mk3......

All of the codex supplements we've seen so far have provided minor tweaks to the rules and nothing more. GW are still testing the waters when it comes to supplements and so a Black Legion supplement is both a logical and safe choice.

To be perfectly honest, the Black Legion are not as well represented as you would think. The codex itself is about building a warband with aspects of differing legions thrown in. The Black Legion would be better represented with additional strategic options and the capability to take Terminators in greater force, not just Chosen. They are not the blind hammer that the current codex lends itself to be, and Abaddon should do a lot more for the army than just providing bonuses against Loyalists while being a combat monster. He's engineered thirteen of the largest conflicts the Imperium has ever seen and is getting closer and closer to his goal of obliteration. Hell, fluff wise there shouldn't really be a character in the game able to best him easily in combat, but there are a few that do.

[mysterex]

it isn't really about what force can or can't be done with the existing book though, the supplements are background first, rules second. a couple of tweaks, maybe a warlord trait chart, it is not the only way to make force x.

Agree with that- 2 pages of rules in the whole release. That's why Black Legion makes sense, lots of fluff to call on and no really significant rule changes needed to reflect the legion.

Not sure how well in will sell or play though unless they find a way to make standard CSMs worth taking.

[Bigred]

Following from the Legion rules for the HH Sons of Horus, it would be cool to still see vestiges of their "Spearpoint" combat philosophy still in use. So stuff like tweaked termys and more precise deepstriking/alpha strikes.

The legion was known for rapid decapitation strikes versus enemy command. So how would you translate that in 2 pages of rules?

[Denzark]

Following from the Legion rules for the HH Sons of Horus, it would be cool to still see vestiges of their "Spearpoint" combat philosophy still in use. So stuff like tweaked termys and more precise deepstriking/alpha strikes.

The legion was known for rapid decapitation strikes versus enemy command. So how would you translate that in 2 pages of rules?

With or without the 1 millenia of internecine warfare with the other traitor legions before they went black? Not sure how much legion combat doctrine is alive in 41m. After all World Eaters didn't last as a full legion, neither did Emperor's Children. And not all PM are deathguard.

[MajorWesJanson]

Following from the Legion rules for the HH Sons of Horus, it would be cool to still see vestiges of their "Spearpoint" combat philosophy still in use. So stuff like tweaked termys and more precise deepstriking/alpha strikes.

The legion was known for rapid decapitation strikes versus enemy command. So how would you translate that in 2 pages of rules?

OK.
Warlord Traits:
1. Black Crusader: same as CSM book
2. Decapitation Strike: If the Warlord or his unit kill the enemy Warlord, you gain an additional Victory Point.
3. Justaerian Assault: The Warlord and his unit do not scatter when arriving from Deep-strike, but may not make a run move on the turn they arrive. If your warlord cannot Deep-Strike, reroll this result
4. Strike them Down: One Use only- declare at the start of either your shooting or any assault phase. The Warlord and his unit gain the Precision Shot and Precision blow rule for the remainder of that phase, or if they already have that rule, make precision shots/blows on a 5 or 6.
5. Black legion Elite: Chaos Terminator and Chosen units are scoring. If you have no Chaos Terminator or Chosen squads in your army, reroll this result.
6. Crusade Champion: One Use Only: During a challenge, the Warlord may reroll a single to hit, to wound, or saving throw roll, or force the opponent to do the same.

HQ modification: Lords of the Black Crusade- You may take 1-4 Chaos Lords as a single HQ selection.
Rules modification: Mark of Chaos Undivided: Model gains +1 WS and may may choose to take any Chaos Icon. Price is same as Mark of Khorne

6 pieces of Relic Wargear
Done.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

There's been ten thousand years, the death of their peerless strategic genius primarch, and an expansion of their numbers into a mass force of the remnants of various legions plus new renegades since they were ultra-lethal decapitation strikers. It's not Horus' legion anymore, it's Abaddon's horde.

[Psychosplodge]

I think the HH books make it clear that he wasn't peerless when it comes to strategy, and it was only his seemingly greater humanity that made him and not Sanguinius the warmaster....

[DrLove42]

If Warmaster was only based on tactical Skill Guilliman would have been named Warmaster

[Psychosplodge]

Possibly, but it is a running theme through the books that it was between Sanguinius and Horus.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

I'm just using peerless as a superlative; Abaddon ain't Horus.

[Psychosplodge]

What about the rumours he was Horus' clone?

[Learn2Eel]

Abaddon is a lot larger than a regular Space Marine....

[Bigred]

MajorWesJanson wrote:

Warlord Traits:
1. Black Crusader: same as CSM book
2. Decapitation Strike: If the Warlord or his unit kill the enemy Warlord, you gain an additional Victory Point.
3. Justaerian Assault: The Warlord and his unit do not scatter when arriving from Deep-strike, but may not make a run move on the turn they arrive. If your warlord cannot Deep-Strike, reroll this result
4. Strike them Down: One Use only- declare at the start of either your shooting or any assault phase. The Warlord and his unit gain the Precision Shot and Precision blow rule for the remainder of that phase, or if they already have that rule, make precision shots/blows on a 5 or 6.
5. Black legion Elite: Chaos Terminator and Chosen units are scoring. If you have no Chaos Terminator or Chosen squads in your army, reroll this result.
6. Crusade Champion: One Use Only: During a challenge, the Warlord may reroll a single to hit, to wound, or saving throw roll, or force the opponent to do the same.

HQ modification: Lords of the Black Crusade- You may take 1-4 Chaos Lords as a single HQ selection.
Rules modification: Mark of Chaos Undivided: Model gains +1 WS and may may choose to take any Chaos Icon. Price is same as Mark of Khorne

6 pieces of Relic Wargear
Done.

I really like that - fluffy without being overpowered. While I agree with the others that there has been 10000 years of degradation, old habits die hard.

Forgeworld and the design studio have managed some little gems where they show the cool awesome version of a unit in its Heresy version, and a slightly crappier version of it in the 40th millennium (see the Malcador). I think it would be cool to give the Black Legion some hints of their strategic heritage that the few old Legionaries still have rattling around in their heads.

[Archon]

I think the choise for BL could not be badder. Its BL already! So who cares?
It should be first things first an therefor AL - the codex is all AL in the pictures but no one can infiltrate ...

[Learn2Eel]

I think the choise for BL could not be badder. Its BL already! So who cares?
It should be first things first an therefor AL - the codex is all AL in the pictures but no one can infiltrate ...

Alpha Legion players I know of have taken to using converted counts-as models to represent Huron or Ahriman because of their Warlord trait. It may not be optimal, but it works pretty darn well.

[Macas]

I hope These rumors are true