40k new armies suggestion

[Verseau]

Hi, i have a suggestion for 40k new armies.
As you guys should believe, Chaos wont stop only on human,
they will try to influence other races right.

When i see some personalities of the other races,
i am surprised how are they not influenced by the chaos god,
even its clear they has the same characteristic.

Enough said this is the new armies i suggest:

1. Chaos Ork
I would say Ork is very easy to be influenced by Khorne,
since they have totally the same trait.
So how about the new race will be Chaos Ork or Demon Ork or
Khorne Ork.

2. Chaos Dark Eldar
I would say Dark Eldar could be influenced by the Tzeentch,
why? because dark eldar have high ambition, and high psychic power.

or they can influenced by the slaanesh,
since Slaanesh is made by the eldar (according to the history of the chaos god in lexicanum).

3. Chaos Eldar
After the destruction of their homeworld, its very possible for
many of the eldar still trapped in the warp.
in to survive on that condition they surrender to Slaanesh right.

4. Chaos Tyranids
and lastly is tyranids, i think it will be cool for them to devote to Nurgle.
it will make them called the "Diseased Insect".

So with this conclude, every xenos only have their 1 chaos god,
unlike human which easily get influenced by all of the chaos god.

and maybe different races can form an alliance which devote
the same chaos god.

ex: khorne space marine can fight side by side with khorne ork,
since they could lower their hostilities on the command
of their chaos god, Khorne, to get their objectives.

PS:
me myself really want to see Chaos Ork, they will be really
brutal.

and

sorry for my bad english, since i just study in Australia
for 4 years, and rarely use it again. Thx

What's you guys opinion ???

[Kefka]

Sorry to be a fluff lawer and poke holes in your armies but...
orks:
Orks worship Gork and Mork. The two Gods fight to prove who's strongest or who's right, and so do the orks. They fight to prove a point or just to see who's stronger. Khorne, on the other hand, only asks for things to die, be it the worshiper or his foe. In this right, Orks worshiping Khorne would have to accept death,and most orks still fear for their lives. Also, it would just mean that the orks go about killing each other before they get any where.

Dark Eldar:
They don't have psycers. They actually steal a lot of psycers "minds" or "abilities" and use them as anti-psycer technology. But I don'tknow of any DE with Psychic powers. And with Slaanesh, there is plenty of debate on whether DE already worship them or fear them. I think DE fear Slaanesh. In the Novel "Dark Apostle" a Word Bearer summons Slaanesh deamons against Dark Eldar. The Drachon replies with "No... Impossible... the Destructor..." or something, and they all get slaughtered.

Eldar:
Eldar have been fighting Chaos since they created Slaanesh. They know Chaos will destroy what little remains of their people, even if they worshipped one of the gods. Not to mention they are a bit miffed about Slaanesh destroying their society and stuff.

Tyranids:
Well, being led by a hive mind that is just hungry, and only thinks of food and how to eat said food, they don't really believe in Gods... or anything. Though 'Nids have been manipulated into attacking other planets or races, so I wouldn't fully leave it out of the question..

Don't think I'm trying to rip on you, I just think if you are going to do an army out of one of these ideas you should write some really good fluff about it.
As for new armies I would like to see:
Xeno Hunters, or just a general Inquisitorial book
Demurge (squats, yes squats)
Q'orl (for more space bug fun!)
and...
Malal!!!!

[Lerra]

The fluff for Dark Eldar is a little bit sparse. Don't they already worship Slaanesh, though? "Chaos Eldar" are Dark Eldar in my mind, although you could have Eldar that fell to other gods.

I'd rather not see a whole codex devoted to fallen members of current codices, but it would be interesting to have a special character for Chaos Orks in the next Ork codex, maybe a fallen leader of a genestealer cult in the Tyranid codex, etc. I think that's a much more manageable way for GW to add Chaos flavor to an existing army. How would you make Chaos Orks so different from regular Orks as to require their own codex?

I would love to see Chaos infused into all of the codices, but I'm also a bit biased on that front ;)

[Sangre]

This is the most ridiculous thread I've seen in quite a while.

Orks are immune to the influence of the chaos gods because they know no fear. Tyranids, likewise, lack the brain structure to be influenced by the chaos gods.

And as for chaos eldar/dark eldar? Slaanesh takes no prisoners you know, he just eats their souls if he gets his hands on 'em.

[Denzark]

This is the most ridiculous thread I've seen in quite a while.

Orks are immune to the influence of the chaos gods because they know no fear. Tyranids, likewise, lack the brain structure to be influenced by the chaos gods.

And as for chaos eldar/dark eldar? Slaanesh takes no prisoners you know, he just eats their souls if he gets his hands on 'em.


Really? WAAAAGH The Orks, the original Rogue Trader source book, clearly states that some stormboyz turn to Khorne worship, apprecaiting the martial values. No IMMUNITY.

So probably not quite as ridiculous as I find your intolerant answer.

[gorepants]

Really? WAAAAGH The Orks, the original Rogue Trader source book, clearly states that some stormboyz turn to Khorne worship, apprecaiting the martial values. No IMMUNITY.

So probably not quite as ridiculous as I find your intolerant answer.

from this thread http://forum.rpg.net/archive/index.php/t-148335.html

i found this chaos orks (http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c2074orkfreebooterz-h.htm) so they also existed in official model form.

[Melissia]

1. Chaos Ork
I would say Ork is very easy to be influenced by Khorne,
And you would be wrong. Orks are actually highly resistent to chaos infestation, and even those that are corrupted by chaos often get killed very quickly because Orks are far more in tune to how eachother are. The gestalt psychic field that is referred to as 'The WAAAGH!' is far more than just a battlecry or something that their psykers can tap into. It can happen, but it's still quite rare, rarer than a chaos space marine in fact, that they would not only happen but survive long enough to actually form an army.


And yes, chaos space marines are extremely ****ing rare.


As for people pulling out RT crap, you realize that the faction has been revised since then, yeah? Kthxbai.

[Sangre]

Really? WAAAAGH The Orks, the original Rogue Trader source book, clearly states that some stormboyz turn to Khorne worship, apprecaiting the martial values. No IMMUNITY.

So probably not quite as ridiculous as I find your intolerant answer.

Rogue trader also said that the Squats exist. Rogue trader said a lot of things.

[Vogon]

I don't think this is as far fetched as it first appears. In the book Legion there are a group of aliens trying to convince Alpharius to side with chaos in order to (eventually) defeat it. This implies that chaos has been around for a very long time affecting all the races of the galaxy not just humans and elder.

The concept of Dark Eldar inadvertently worshiping Slaanesh is not beyond the realms of possibility. The behaviour of the Dark Eldar could very easily be interpreted as worship because (as I understand their background) is to torture souls of their victims and offer them up to Slaanesh in order to avoid her intentions themselves. It would not be a great leap from this to actual worship and devotion in my opinion.

Great idea and a discussion point worth thinking about.

As far as ‘Nids go though I believe that GW have in the past introduced the concept that the “Shadow in the Warp” is proof against chaos as it swamps all other psychic activity effectively blocking out chaos. In “real” terms this would mean that Chaos armies could never win against ‘Nids as they would be cut off from the source of their power, especially daemons.

Cheers

Vogon


P.S. not bad for my first post

[Rapture]

Whether it is a bad idea fluff-wise is really open to interpretation. Any army can become chaosy with a little bit of green stuff and some spikey bits. They don't really need to be new armies, they could easily use their original codex and be modeled differently.

[Melissia]

By that definition you could create Imperial Daemons, but it's still against the grain of the fluff.

[Brass Scorpion]

New armies for 40K when GW can't keep the existing armies and their rule books up to date does not sound like a good idea. Imagine the complaining you'd hear then: "GW is releasing a new army when my Codex is XX years out of date? How dare they!" and blah blah and so on.

[L192837465]

By that definition you could create Imperial Daemons, but it's still against the grain of the fluff.

HAHAHAHAHA

Steve: "We've summoned the Emperor from the warp!"
Summoned thing: "RRAAAWWWRRRGGGG"
Larry: "OH SH*T. That's... Steve, that is a Bloodthirster. On Terra. You idiot."

[Denzark]

As for people pulling out RT crap, you realize that the faction has been revised since then, yeah? Kthxbai.

Yeah - are you embarassed because you are too young to remember it, or have you got that good ole' uhmericyan habit of retconning history - you know, U571, Braveheart etc? Just what makes it crap?




Rogue trader also said that the Squats exist. Rogue trader said a lot of things.

Does the latest fluff not acknowledge the squats existed and were destroyed?

[Sangre]

Please, mister Norfolk, don't make me go and compile a list of things in Rogue Trader that GW have subsequently retconned. You won't have the time to read all of them. Suffice it to say that things have moved on since then.

[L192837465]

Please, mister Norfolk, don't make me go and compile a list of things in Rogue Trader that GW have subsequently retconned. You won't have the time to read all of them. Suffice it to say that things have moved on since then.

Nerd punk'd! HAH!

[RocketRollRebel]

From what I've seen Dark Eldar hate/fear chaos and slaanesh just as much as there not so dark and spiky Eldar cousins. Slaanesh is still trying to eat their souls too.

[Aldramelech]

Woof woof, woof! Thats my other dog impression mmmmm.

[Sangre]

Nerd punk'd! HAH!

Nerd Five!

[Bean]

By that definition you could create Imperial Daemons, but it's still against the grain of the fluff.

Not entirely. There are the radical Malleus inquisitors who summon daemons into Daemonhosts. It's not a huge step from that to summoning other daemons in other ways--fire against fire and all of that.

I'm not sure that summoning daemons to fight other daemons would be a good idea, but it's certainly the sort of thing that someone, somewhere, might try.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

id love to see Chaos Aliens...

but completely NOT like that.

Nah, id rather see Saruthi, Yu'vath, Reptos, Slaughth, Bale Childer, Scaephylyds, Loxatyl ect...

why have boring pointless chaos variants of existing races when theres plenty of awesome and UNIQUE chaos aliens out there, and besides these races would be way more interesting - especially if we dont know how they looked -before- corruption, allowing them to be free from the Spikes and Chao Star cliches..


As for new armies ;

Umbra, Enslavers and pretty much ANY good non-humanoid and/or abstract alien race would be most welcome amongst the realm of bipeds of various skin colours and bugs. Shockingly, legs arent the only way to "move". But thats more a wish-list/dream than something that in reality would ever be done..thank cthulhu for Counts As!

[Melissia]

Radical daemonhunter inquisitors are actually quite hated by the rest of the Inquisition, and constantly hunted down for their heresies. They are in the same place as renegade marines.

[Denzark]

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[Aldramelech]

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[eagleboy7259]

If we were going to suggest new races into 40k shouldn't they be new races rather than revisiting ideas behind old races? I'd rather see a revisiting of Craftworld Eldar, 13th Company, Kroot Mercs, Lost and the Damned, before deciding that everything and everybody should be Khrone. The Dark Eldar with Slaanesh thing I could actually see, not based on fluff but because GW did a simular pact between Dark Elves and Slaanesh during a previous WFB campaign. Yes I know that Dark Elves dont equal Dark Eldar, but GW does hold the pens, and if they visit an idea in WFB they often visit it in 40k.

Lost and the Damned would be the ONLY army list that I would be happy seeing put into production with chaos ties. However we all know it just ended up being a the failed abortion of the previous Imperial Guard and Chaos Marines codexes... the return of Craftworld Eldar would make me very very very happy though =D

[gorepants]

I agree there's no need to make new chaos+<insert army here> lists. Better off writing something totally new since there's a lot of the galaxy still unexplored, though this is a bit of a risk in terms of marketing and what not. Better still would be to fix up the armies that have not been updated or flesh out areas that are underdeveloped (like eagleboy7259 said). Give something for the people who have already bought and are buying armies that don't get the same love.

Like Rapture said, at least at a friendly level you just need codex X and the daemon codex and strip out anything that is really contradictory. Except for the much hated daemon wielding inquisitors and eldar (small craftworld who succumbed to slannesh late or are turning dark?) and dark eldar (just like the inquisitor), you can pull a stock 'they were traveling in warp and a freak bust of radiation mutated them all.'

Orks were all in one hulk, so their zeitgeist remained intact; tau allies lack psychic protection; a fragment of tyranids separated from the main body so the strength of warp shadow is lessened (eg genestealers in a hulk... wait did I see chaos genestealers in rogue trader, or am I just bitter they changed the rules back in '93 :mad:) etc. Doesn't really matter if it doesn't fit perfectly with the GW fluff since GW have said their fluff's not very reliable anyway, though a bit of internal consistency would be nice.

If you want fluff, write about raw warp power changing someone, then worshiping chaos gods (since the gods are just anthropomorphications of the underlying power of the warp - think an evil version of Terry Patchett's gods - or at least they used to be some one might want to correct me). Or even being changed and accidentally summoning daemons all the time (this works for orks - they don't know they're chaos orks and get confused every time a 20ft high flaming fire monster appears when they fight). And hey, if it's an excuse to put spikes and claws on ork it's all good (or a blood thirster with an orky face?). So long as you model it right, you could also play them as standard (but ugly and mutated - nurgle mad-docs?) armies outside the friendlies.

Of course if you want special mutation rules for everyone you're better off going back to RT, but be prepared for slooooow games and not having anyone to play with :(.