Learn2Eel
06-15-2013, 07:51 PM
EDIT: Title should read Vampire Counts 2000 - sorry!
With a whole bunch of people starting Warriors of Chaos in the past month at my LGS - to add to an already WoC dominated meta - I felt I may have to move away from them and on to another army I am really looking at; Vampires. I've had a look around and found a few army lists similar to this, though they are mostly at 2500 points and thus have bigger Ghoul/Black Knight units, which begs the question; would this army work at 2000? Cheers for any input; the cool thing about this army is that it is basically the models I like most.
Vampires 2000
Lords - 500
Vampire Lord w/ heavy armour, barded nightmare, level three wizard, lore of the vampires, quickblood, red fury, ogre blade, talisman of preservation, the other tricksters' shard - 500 (pretty stock standard blender lord at 2000, supports the army and murders virtually anything at this points level with reckless abandon)
Heroes - 188
Vampire w/ heavy armour, lance, barded nightmare, level two wizard, lore of death, dread knight, enchanted shield, potion of foolhardiness - 188 (can't fit in everything to make a proper support caster - i.e. dispel scroll - but tough and very killy, Dread Knight works for taking out other hero-level characters such as Exalted Heroes pretty easily on the charge while the Vampire Lord attacks the unit)
Core - 500
Ghouls (30) - 300 @ 6 wide 5 deep (cheapest model-wise Core fillers, reasonably killy, won't do well against Warriors of Chaos but I don't want to list tailor; with buffs from Vampires Lore, should do just fine, not sure on formation though)
Dire Wolves (5) - 40 (self explanatory)
Dire Wolves (5) - 40 (self explanatory)
Zombies (40) - 120 @ 5 wide 8 deep (awesome tarpit unit, wondering if swapping out the Ghouls for more Zombie hordes may work better)
Special - 362
Black Knights (7) w/ full command, barding, lances - 212 @ three wide, three deep (with characters, this is my issue, is this unit too small and should I make them at least 10 strong for two ranks to get rank bonuses?)
Hexwraiths (5) - 150 (for dealing with enemy heavy cavalry/elite units)
Rare - 450
Terrorgheist - 225 (mobile and deadly support unit)
Terrorgheist - 225 (ditto)
If I wanted to make a bigger Black Knight unit I could drop the Hero Vampire down to a Level one wizard, add in another Black Knight and five wide and two deep with the attached characters so that I have rank bonuses of some kind. With those two at the front though in a three wide unit, they would struggle to hurt the unit (minimal frontage) and I should be doing loads of wounds in return anyway. I've also seen that the lack of the Banner of Swiftness for the Black Knights is a bit of an issue (Movement 7 when barded).
Even though I didn't tailor, I have a big advantage over most WoC players in my store - deployment. All of them run Skullcrushers or Chaos Knights, and dealing with them should be pretty easy with a pair of Terrorgheists screaming as well as the Hexwraiths thrown in.
With a whole bunch of people starting Warriors of Chaos in the past month at my LGS - to add to an already WoC dominated meta - I felt I may have to move away from them and on to another army I am really looking at; Vampires. I've had a look around and found a few army lists similar to this, though they are mostly at 2500 points and thus have bigger Ghoul/Black Knight units, which begs the question; would this army work at 2000? Cheers for any input; the cool thing about this army is that it is basically the models I like most.
Vampires 2000
Lords - 500
Vampire Lord w/ heavy armour, barded nightmare, level three wizard, lore of the vampires, quickblood, red fury, ogre blade, talisman of preservation, the other tricksters' shard - 500 (pretty stock standard blender lord at 2000, supports the army and murders virtually anything at this points level with reckless abandon)
Heroes - 188
Vampire w/ heavy armour, lance, barded nightmare, level two wizard, lore of death, dread knight, enchanted shield, potion of foolhardiness - 188 (can't fit in everything to make a proper support caster - i.e. dispel scroll - but tough and very killy, Dread Knight works for taking out other hero-level characters such as Exalted Heroes pretty easily on the charge while the Vampire Lord attacks the unit)
Core - 500
Ghouls (30) - 300 @ 6 wide 5 deep (cheapest model-wise Core fillers, reasonably killy, won't do well against Warriors of Chaos but I don't want to list tailor; with buffs from Vampires Lore, should do just fine, not sure on formation though)
Dire Wolves (5) - 40 (self explanatory)
Dire Wolves (5) - 40 (self explanatory)
Zombies (40) - 120 @ 5 wide 8 deep (awesome tarpit unit, wondering if swapping out the Ghouls for more Zombie hordes may work better)
Special - 362
Black Knights (7) w/ full command, barding, lances - 212 @ three wide, three deep (with characters, this is my issue, is this unit too small and should I make them at least 10 strong for two ranks to get rank bonuses?)
Hexwraiths (5) - 150 (for dealing with enemy heavy cavalry/elite units)
Rare - 450
Terrorgheist - 225 (mobile and deadly support unit)
Terrorgheist - 225 (ditto)
If I wanted to make a bigger Black Knight unit I could drop the Hero Vampire down to a Level one wizard, add in another Black Knight and five wide and two deep with the attached characters so that I have rank bonuses of some kind. With those two at the front though in a three wide unit, they would struggle to hurt the unit (minimal frontage) and I should be doing loads of wounds in return anyway. I've also seen that the lack of the Banner of Swiftness for the Black Knights is a bit of an issue (Movement 7 when barded).
Even though I didn't tailor, I have a big advantage over most WoC players in my store - deployment. All of them run Skullcrushers or Chaos Knights, and dealing with them should be pretty easy with a pair of Terrorgheists screaming as well as the Hexwraiths thrown in.