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The Last Lamenter
05-31-2013, 11:21 AM
Far removed from fan fiction with its lack of canonization and tendency towards eroticism, (see Kirk and Spock FF) the 40k Universe represent a new prototype of literature, in that the authors of the lore have adopted an unprecedented collaborative, incorporative, and inclusive method of writing. This manner of story-telling is distinct from all other forms of composition theory, in that it does not propose an agenda, it is unrecognized by academia, and it was spontaneously created as a reflection of the next generation reader’s heightened awareness of the fledgling tradition of science fiction and fantasy.
There are themes in 40k that, upon first encounter may seem like the author giving honor to, or perhaps even plagiarizing from, a classic work without giving due credit. For example, we see clear incorporation of classic authors in Inquisitor Czevak’s statement from the fourth edition Eldar Codex where he says “[a]sk not the Eldar a question for they will give you three answers, all of which are true and terrifying to know.” This quote is a pairing of the best of Arthur C. Clark and Tolkien, who lends the Imperium of man its profound sense of tragedy. Clark’s reimagined line is borrowed from Visions 1999, preceding the Codex by seven years, which states that “[t]wo possibilities exist: either we are alone in the universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying”, and in LOTR, from Fellowship when Frodo says of Gildor, “Go not to the Elves for council for they will answer both no and yes.” Then there is the constant allusions to Blake’s heretical poetry in the first three HH books, and Chris Roberson’s reference to Musashi’s Book of Five Rings with his Book of Five Spheres in Sons of Dorn. This may seem like unconscious referencing or even plagiarism, until we acknowledge what has happened in the mind of the science fiction writer and the reader:
These writers have become part of the communal consciousness of the subculture of which we are part. Just as certain authors and tropes have become part of the national consciousness of England, such as Shakespeare and Thomas Malory, a reference to them or their work is commonplace, for their work is so entrenched in the culture that even the uneducated may reference them unknowingly (i.e. “pomp and circumstance” and “What the dickens?”). And, as I’ve mentioned before, the Brits cannot seem to leave the Arthurian legend alone when constructing any fantasy or science fiction world; so it is with Clark, Tolkien, H.G. Wells, and others in the scifi/fantasy community. But who is to decide when and how these writers should have their work opened for public use when it has already become a cultural touchstone?
40k and other works have incorporated useful science fiction devices to enable traditional story-telling, for example faster-than-light-travel, in Star-Trek’s Warp Drive, Star War’s Hyper Space, or Douglas’s Infinite Improbability Drive, but more on that later… Besides the obvious use of elves (Eldar), dwarves (squats), and orcs (orks), one has to look harder for other characters in other works. For example Dune makes use of a Navigator gene like in 40k. There are many many others, but the point is that this is an indicator of just how big 40k has become. It is incorporating the best of science fiction and fantasy into a master story. It is implicitly acknowledging that the fans have evolved to a higher state where their touchstones are people who are still alive! The tropes are being born right before us and becoming part of the universe.
The rate for assimilation into the tradition of scifi has increased, and these authors’ works have become subject to the fan’s own idea of common law concerning copyright. If it’s good enough, or original enough, it will become a theme of 40k and part of a grand collaborative tradition. These authors are making fantastic use of the best that science fiction and fantasy has to offer at an accelerated rate. Other genres have to wait, oftentimes centuries before touchstones become apparent, but whether out of a lack of scholarly tradition or sheer enthusiasm, I like to think enthusiasm, we are seeing a grand tradition of collaborative literature unfolding in the past 50 years, relatively young for a genre.

Popsical
05-31-2013, 01:27 PM
Wow! Deep man, very deep. Did you swallow a thesaurus for breakfast?
Maybe posting this on a literature forum would be more suitable.
99.9% of people that use 40k forums do so for fun.

The Last Lamenter
05-31-2013, 01:56 PM
I don't know, I've had some incredibly insightful conversations on here from Thornblood and eldergal and a few others who believe 40k deserves a bit more respect than it gets. Where would I go find a lit. forum for this?

Kyban
05-31-2013, 01:59 PM
I think it's fine on BOLS but the Oubliette might be a more appropriate area. I'd suggest breaking it up a bit to make it more readable, right now it's just a huge block of text...

! : ?
05-31-2013, 02:54 PM
"the 40k Universe represent a new prototype of literature, in that the authors of the lore have adopted an unprecedented collaborative, incorporative, and inclusive method of writing."

as in the works of H.P lovecraft and his cronies?? you could propably name quite a few instances of said collaboration within many different genres and formats,, comics springs to mind too..

! : ?

Bitrider
05-31-2013, 04:27 PM
Good stuff and a good read.

Nabterayl
05-31-2013, 05:24 PM
I think this is the appropriate forum.

I'd identify myself as one of those who thinks "40k deserves a bit more respect than it gets," but I'm not sure that I agree that 40K is a new genre of literature. What are the elements that you think are new? If you mean the inclusion and influence of scènes à faire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sc%C3%A8nes_%C3%A0_faire) that are less widely known in the cultural at large ... I enjoy that very much, but I don't think that the extent to which 40K does it (i.e., both includes and is influenced by these sub-cultural scènes à faire) is something that 40K pioneered, or something that qualifies 40K storytelling as a new genre of literature.

I do think 40K qualifies as collaborative storytelling, in that multiple authors shape a shared universe through their own works, which are influenced by other authors' works in the shared universe as well as by audience input. I don't think that's new, though - the modern Star Wars novels and BattleTech novels do exactly the same thing, and predate the Black Library project by six years and 11 years, respectively, for instance. As ! : ? rightly points out, the Lovecraft mythos was doing essentially the same thing in the 1930s. Tabletop and live-action roleplayers do it too, in a different medium. Collaborative storytelling - by which I mean telling stories in a shared fictional universe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shared_universe) whose content is shaped both by the storytellers and their audiences - dates back at least to the aoidoi who gave us Greek mythology, and I expect it's rather a great deal older even than that.

daboarder
05-31-2013, 05:59 PM
OOOOWWWW,

Formatting mate, helps!

Bitrider
05-31-2013, 07:21 PM
OOOOWWWW,

Formatting mate, helps!

Formatting is for little girls in pink tanks* and Warmachine players. :P


*trying for a mention in the feminism thread

miteyheroes
06-02-2013, 03:51 PM
Interesting read. I again disagree that what the BL is doing is something *new*, but it is something interesting.

Did you read ADB's three GrimDark articles? They were interesting, think you'd like them.

Deadlift
06-02-2013, 04:03 PM
All a,bit "deep" for simple old me :) but I enjoy the black library stories and your ideas will no doubt have me thinking about what I'm reading a bit more. Not sure if that's good or bad for me lol. Cool read Lamenter.

The Last Lamenter
06-02-2013, 06:18 PM
hey Miteyheroes, will you send me the link? I'd love to read it, still finding my feet in terms of site navigation. I'm working on another article that will bring some more lead to the claim. How can I make sure you see it when I'm done?

The Last Lamenter
06-02-2013, 06:19 PM
Deadlift, thanks so much for reading, I'll have some more stuff up later on this week, concerning mythology of the future. It will revolve around the idea that because man could not fathom his origins without the assistance of Gods, so he could not fathom his end without the same. 40k is one of the first to explore this idea fully.

Nabterayl
06-02-2013, 07:15 PM
40k is one of the first to explore this idea fully.
One of the first pieces of art to really make a go of exploring the idea that man cannot fathom his end without the assistance of gods?

The Last Lamenter
06-02-2013, 10:10 PM
I don't mean this in the Biblical sense, the Norse mythology sense, or apocalyptic literature in general 40k takes a completely different, unique spin on it. Give me about a week to get it up on here. Trying to lend some legitimacy to this incredible story.

Jax
06-02-2013, 10:28 PM
Hey mate, that was an excellent read and I concur that the writings of the Black Library can transcend the somewhat asinine trappings of battle porn we see the books accused of by the more mainstream consumers of science fiction. In particular, I feel that Aaron Dembski- Bowden is a good candidate for producing more thoughtful works - the Night Lords trilogy succeeded in humanizing what is realistically a cast of psychopathic monsters and giving the reader lee-way to empathize with the characters.

Personally, I'd like to see the writers explore life within the grand universe of 40k lore for the common citizen more thoroughly; like most great literary scifi works there should be parallels between the fantasy world and our own implicit reality - I've always viewed the human aspect of the lore with the most interest as it speaks to me about deep - seated xenophobia and the fallacies of ignorance and zealotry.

I believe you are correct in analyzing the adaptation of Sci Fi tropes to strengthen the cumulative narrative; and it is interesting that the adaption is somewhat akin to an acknowledgement of genre - specific archetypes and devices, which is not plagiarism but merely an extension of logical thought to provide a means to tell a good story given the context of the events (FTL being neccesary, the Navigators etc) and I love the combination of hard science fiction with fantasy trappings. I've never once viewed the similarities to other science fiction works as plagiarism, much as not all crime fiction is derivative simply because it features a detective, a crime and such.

The world of Warhammer does not get the respect it deserves from the broader community; yet some of the best modern science fiction comes from the world of 40k - I'm an avid reader of all science fiction and I believe the Warhammer universe really does set the bar for science fiction in a way few other modern works can.

You should consider starting your own blog to propagate your ideas - you definitely have an interesting perspective on the literary aspects of Warhammer.

The Last Lamenter
06-02-2013, 10:37 PM
Jax, thanks for reading, and you're so right about Aaron. I've read all of his books. I'd like to see a little more every-citizen writing too. Maybe a short story or two. Can I add you as a friend on here? Have you read The Iron Within?

Jax
06-02-2013, 10:40 PM
Go for your life mate, and I haven't picked up that anthology as of yet which is unfortunate as that story does sound interesting.