A tribute to the best and greatest thread in the world: Off Topic

[Wolfshade]

B&C is down, but I'm not sure what their community was like.

Perhaps we are becoming a victim of our own sucess.

There does seem to be an increased number of people lurking deep down in the obuillette away from those noisy angry people.

[Psychosplodge]

There certainly appears to have been an influx of the colonials that previously inhabited the 40k section coming to join civilisation down here...

[Mr Mystery]

Indeed. Still, they seem to know their place :p

Just thinking though...we had fun and hijinks with RLE, who seemed unable to actually read what was written, and then go off on tangents. Oh, and lie about stuff (killing 12 Orks with 9 attacks...). Now we have that bloke complaining that a piece of terrain which has no points, has no points.....

It's crazy!

[Wolfshade]

I saw this and thought, how many points is my hill worth? It blocks LOS, and at the top has got a great FOV

[Psychosplodge]

Which thread is that? sounds hilarious.

[Mr Mystery]

Indeed.

Personally, I have a realm of battle. HOW MANY POINTS IS THAT GW???????? DO I HAVE TO PAY MORE IF I'VE FLOCKED IT?

They've dropped the ball again

[Mr Mystery]

The one about the new Apoc terrain.

Essentially, on account that as part of Fortifications you can include Wall of Martyr bits, they must have a points cost. And GW are bar stewards and have dropped the ball for not giving them. Even though you know, they don't really do anything.

[Wolfshade]

It is a little gray area of when does a terrain become a fortification, now that is a genuine query, but this is silly. I have a mysterious forest, how many points is that, does it need 3 colour minimum?

[Mr Mystery]

One hundred and a eleventy twelve.

[Kirsten]

well he asked a simple question and it was escalated by others into a flame war.

[Mr Mystery]

I dunno man....he kind of kept adding flames to the fire.

Simple answer was given, and he then revealed he'd long since decided he was right, and every else in the whole word was wrong!

[Wolfshade]

Random question Kirsten, what is the accent of IoM? I've heard Cavendish being interviewed and he (to my untrained ear) sounds quite scouse.

[eldargal]

I feel a bit sorry for Eberk, he got caught in between flammenwossname, blacknumbersf and myself when the first two started making stupid demands and complains about terrrain needing points. But I do think it was a new level of stupid, accusing GW of dropping the ball for not including rules for WoM (when they are in the BRB) and then accusing them of failing by not providing a points cost for something that is free.

[Kirsten]

Random question Kirsten, what is the accent of IoM? I've heard Cavendish being interviewed and he (to my untrained ear) sounds quite scouse.

unfortunately quite a few people do sound scouse these days, it is very disappointing. personally I have almost no accent at all, a trace of my dad's who was from the Buxton area originally.

poor quality audio unfortunately

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-286xpqtC7M

[Kirsten]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixQzMJVoP9A

[DrLove42]

I realyl just want to go home

In the mean time Season 2 of Sherlock is starting on iPlayer....

[Wolfshade]

Well it is fruit monday and there is no one sat in my office at the moment, I have the firedoor open so I'm sat in a nice breeze so I'm quite happy. Going to meet a friend tonight for a couple of beers. I've been doing far too much socialising recently

[Psychosplodge]

If it's this warm still I'll just be in shorts and not suitable to socialise with :D

Though the going home isn't any cooler than this tin roofed hell.

[Wolfshade]

I like shorts, though I have tan lines on my quads.

Tempted to turn up to work in a long skirt in order to persue gender equality.

[Psychosplodge]

Wouldn't you struggle with the chain? or do you mean a short one?

[Wolfshade]

I get changed when I get to work after a shower d'uh!

[Kirsten]

"Former England and Chelsea footballer Ray Wilkins was too drunk to stand when he was stopped for driving his car erratically, a court has been told... ...Mr Wilkins denies a charge of drinking and driving. "

seriously? surely there has to come a point where you hold your hands up and admit it. when you are caught red handed drunk as a lord behind the wheel, what can you possibly hope to gain from denying it?

[Mr Mystery]

Between th LGBT, Feminist and Zimmerman threads, I'm very happy at having pasty white 'nads right now!

[DarkLink]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=W66TPHy5lJw

Some language.

[Mr Mystery]

And speaking of horrible, deplorable violence.....

Look up 'Bugsy Malone - Bad Guys' on YouTube.

Now imagine it being sung by Angron, Magnus, Fulgrim and Mortarion, outside the Emperor's Palace during the siege.....

[Deadlift]

What's up folks, hope you all had a splendid weekend and your enjoying the fantastic English summer were having. For the Johnny Foreigners I hope your sky's are as amazing as ours at the moment :D

I had a brilliant weekend at Goodwood, saw everything from Dragbikes to the latest Audi endurance racer that won this years Le Man. So many famous drivers and cars from past and present. Here's some of the highlights from the daily telegraph. I know there's a few petrol heads amongst you ;)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/goodwood-festival-of-speed/10179641/Goodwood-Festival-of-Speed-highlights-of-the-last-day.html

[eldargal]

/rant

So someone asks Jervis Johnson about SoB and he says 'every army is being worked on and will be updated in time' and there are STILL ****ing morons who are arguing SoB are going to be dropped? Why? Because instead of ****ing reading the JJ quote they focus on the person quoting him said about 'not being dropped' and say ****ing cretinous things like 'well they won't be dropped they just will be ignored' despite the fact he said all armies were getting a ****ing update. What the **** is wrong with these people? Instead of ****ing being pleased that SoB are basically confirmed as being worked on and that they will be updated they continue to subscribe to this ****ing nonsensically cretinous cretininity and use weasel words and blatant ****ing stupidity to cling to their belief SoB will not be updated.

****ers.

/rant over

But really what the hell is wrong with people lately?

[Deadlift]

To be fair that's the standard answer to is "x" army being worked on ? JJ gives the same answer every time no matter which army is being talked about.
I can understand people's frustrations they ask a specific question and they get a carbon copy non-committal answer.

[eldargal]

It's standard 'cos it's true, though. With every old list it has been the same. Dark Eldar, Grey Knights, Necrons, Tau and now SoB. JJ just confirmed they would be updated in time and people go off ignoring that and saying it's code for them being ignored completely, which is the opposite of what he said.:rolleyes:

I mean I get the frustration with teh delays, I really really want plastic SoB and a book worth playing too. But that's not the issue.

[Psychosplodge]

What's up folks, hope you all had a splendid weekend and your enjoying the fantastic English summer were having. For the Johnny Foreigners I hope your sky's are as amazing as ours at the moment :D



It's far too hot DL. Glad you enjoyed goodwood. Did you see the stig? :D






But really what the hell is wrong with people lately?


Would you like a list?

[DrLove42]

Its far too warm. I got in my car to go home last night, i could barely hold the steering wheel and the thermometer said 36.5 degrees. Eeesh

Civ V is awesome. I got through about 180 turns in one game last night.

[Wolfshade]

"Former England and Chelsea footballer Ray Wilkins was too drunk to stand when he was stopped for driving his car erratically, a court has been told... ...Mr Wilkins denies a charge of drinking and driving. "

seriously? surely there has to come a point where you hold your hands up and admit it. when you are caught red handed drunk as a lord behind the wheel, what can you possibly hope to gain from denying it?

This should be in the Carlos Tevez thread... ;)

There does seem to be an increased number of whining people around lately.

Also, special nugget for you guys down here, GW have a plan. Scary I know, but there is a 2 year plan that schedules every release 40k/fantasty/something else, the studio is briefed on this and you have different teams working on different things so you've got most of the people working on the next release, a few finalising this release and a few working on the further away concepts.

[eldargal]

Some complete ****wit called me a GW apologist simply for quoting what GW said, their history of updating old, poor selling armies over the past three years and the fact we know Jes Goodwin was working on plastics at one point.:rolleyes: That's right, pointing out facts is the same as being a GW apologist.

[Psychosplodge]

Facts have no place on the internet.

Some say the Internet is for porn but you know that in truth the Internet is for spam.

[Wolfshade]

I think you are mistaken, the Dark Eldar were major sales leaders when they were updated.

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png

[DrLove42]

People are idiots. The only way to avoid idiots is to stay in a padded room by yourself with no contact to the outside world, bar a small slit where someone passes you food and models to paint...

[Wolfshade]

The proactive approach is to purge the area of idiots with fire

[eldargal]

I second that suggestion.

[DrLove42]

Thats hard on the internet, until we learn to push Napalm through a phone line

[Wolfshade]

Hack-a-Drone (TM)

[Psychosplodge]

If only it was that simple...

[DrLove42]

Develop a system that tracks IP addresses and launches a missile at them

Sure the Americans have something like that....

[Wolfshade]

Or filter FB for statuses that are misspelt, or generally that of the untermensch.

Other idea for EG cat name: Salem, it'll be like Sabrina the Teenage Witch all over again!

[Psychosplodge]

But only if it's black...

[daboarder]

I was gonna go join in that conversation eldargal,

then I saw the list of posts....JESUS CHRIST! some people.

wonder if its worth finding all the old "DE are being dropped" posts and showing them around?

[Mr Mystery]

So, nothing back from the Hottie asked out over Facebook.

I do however have a date Saturday regardless.....

And I think this is why, despite not having been on a date for over a year, and not been in a relationship for 6ish years, I have a curious reputation in this town!

And time to depress people....

Despite living in a time of austerity, a Facebook friend is currently celebrating her younger sister's pregnancy.

That would be the younger sister with no job, no qualifications and no intention to change either yeah?

And that's being celebrated because?????

Seriously, I have nothing against Single Parents. I have nothing against any Parent that even attempts to provide for it's young. But when did we as a society stop having an 'oh....poop' reaction to unplanned pregnancy?

[daboarder]

...dude!

if she's decided that she want's the child then why be anything but happy for her?

[Mr Mystery]

It's more the 'it's not planned, it's not expected, I don't have to worry, tax payer will pick up the bill' bit.

It's great she wants to keep it, and be Mum. That's fine. As I said, I agree with the banishing of the social stigma of being born out of wedlock....

But when the automatic response isn't one of 'oh....oh dear....erm.......best belt up' but 'WOOHOOOO!! FREE MUNNEH!' that I get the arse.

[Wolfshade]

...dude!

if she's decided that she want's the child then why be anything but happy for her?

Because then we get to pay for her house and pay her a salary to be unemployed in said free house?

[Psychosplodge]

^ because us poor employed f**kers are paying for it?

And she'll probably be on a higher rate too.

[daboarder]

**** me, no you don't. you really bloody don't.

you might give enough for her to keep her head above water...MAYBE, but you certainly ain't putting her child through college.

[Psychosplodge]

I'll forgive your ignorance of the UK benefits system being an australian.

But yes we will all be paying for it. because we're the idiots that work.

[daboarder]

I assume you have a similar system to our baby bonus and centrelink.

Having been on said benefits as a student I can tell you that all that glitters is not gold.

I used to get told the same thing by lots of people.....centerlink would at most cover half my rent and food, with a full time study I had no time to work and that was tough.

Now as a masters student that doesn't get a cent at all from scholarship OR centrelink I say have a bit of bloody compassion because before you know it its your *** in the fire looking for help.

And thats from someone whose parent's are in one of the higher tax brakets.

[Psychosplodge]

They get their income support, JSA, child benefit, rent paid, council tax rebate, and this is being capped to £26000 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23325667) which is a net figure.

I'm sure many of us would love to take home £26k net a year....

[Mr Mystery]

To give you an idea......

I work full time (well, 35 hours a week). My current salary is in the region of £24,000. After tax deductions, including council tax (separate charge from income tax) and my travel to and from work, I'm left with around £1275 a month. That's roughly equivalent to £294 a week. Out of that, I have to feed, clothe and house myself. Oh and of course buy me toys! If push came to shove, I could probably afford a single sprog on that, but blimey would I face personal sacrifices (reduced drinking, give up smoking, less toys, less DVDs and that).

That's more than I earn, and I'm considered to have a relatively well paid job.

See why I'm upset at the 'hey, MUNNEH!' attitude?

But here in the UK....they're rolling out a cap on benefits of...get this....£350 a week.

[daboarder]

oh right....well then fair enough my apologies.

But still a child is not something to brush of as just "well frak it you can't afford it" you've got that opportunity and you run with it.

over here its more like $250 a week...

[Psychosplodge]

It would be far cheaper to abort it, and then possibly sterilise her...

[daboarder]

so....you wanna go full ****? edit: the germans with the fancy cross.

don't go there psycho thats just wrong

[Psychosplodge]

Well if she was responsible she'd go get one herself and not require the sterilisation :D

It's hardly eugenics in the national socialist style...



That's about what you get on minimal benefits once a fortnight. I think.

[Mr Mystery]

How to stay out of trouble (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-23324422)

1. Try not to knock Cyclisits off their bikes.
2. If you do, stop immediately and offer assistance and details
3. If you're unable or unwilling to bother with steps 1 and 2....don't go bragging about it on social media.

[Mr Mystery]

That's about what you get on minimal benefits once a fortnight. I think.

Last time I was on Jobseekers (about 4 years ago now) I got £80ish a week.

Which given the price of public transport round here was a bloody joke. Got an interview in London? Need to be there early? Goodbye half a weeks benefit.....

How about something more practical there eh? Cough up, then turn up at Job Centre post interview with evidence of interview attendance, and get a refund of your travel costs where they're above £10.....

[Wolfshade]

The issue here is over whether a child is a right or a privilege.
The couples/singles that are unable to have a child for whatever reason and have been refused fertility treatments on the NHS as it is non-essential would passionately argue that it cannot be seen as a right. Similiarly those that make the decision not to have children.

Just because one can become a parent doesn't mean that one should.

If we were living in a country with underpopulation or with a serious job surplus then I can see the argument for encouraging population growth, but given that neither of these are occuring it is not really the case.

Look at China, it certainly does not believe that having children is a right, and limits it accordingly to try and deal with the problems of having a massive population (and that is fraught with difficulties which isn't really the point of this theme).

So if children are a privilege why should they be held in a special form? If I want a pet, which is a long term commitment then why should I expect those around me to pay for it?

[Psychosplodge]

It's still about same I think, but I think aus$250 is about £150?

See I thought the JC could help you with travel expenses for interviews?

[Wolfshade]

How to stay out of trouble (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-23324422)

1. Try not to knock Cyclisits off their bikes.
2. If you do, stop immediately and offer assistance and details
3. If you're unable or unwilling to bother with steps 1 and 2....don't go bragging about it on social media.

We've covered that before :)

[Mr Mystery]

It's still about same I think, but I think aus$250 is about £150?

See I thought the JC could help you with travel expenses for interviews?

Not that they tell most people.... I was certainly told no before.... Which seems really counter productive! How am I meant to effectively look for work if the local public transport is so expensive, I can't attend short notice interviews?

[Psychosplodge]

It's a pain in the arse to get it out of them too.
They also have a discretionary back to work fund if you've been unemployed for six months+ but if you take a job and start immediately you can't access it because you're now employed...

[daboarder]

The issue here is over whether a child is a right or a privilege.
The couples/singles that are unable to have a child for whatever reason and have been refused fertility treatments on the NHS as it is non-essential would passionately argue that it cannot be seen as a right. Similiarly those that make the decision not to have children.

Just because one can become a parent doesn't mean that one should.

If we were living in a country with underpopulation or with a serious job surplus then I can see the argument for encouraging population growth, but given that neither of these are occuring it is not really the case.

Look at China, it certainly does not believe that having children is a right, and limits it accordingly to try and deal with the problems of having a massive population (and that is fraught with difficulties which isn't really the point of this theme).

So if children are a privilege why should they be held in a special form? If I want a pet, which is a long term commitment then why should I expect those around me to pay for it?

so...

Poor people should have forced abortions,

If they need more than some economically viable number (say two?) they should be subject to state sponsored sterilisation,

While we're at it, we should euthanise those born with disabillities or those who suffer them during their life and are unable to support themselves.

We could also dispense with social support, just round up all the people that can't afford to stay off the street, or are already on the street,

You could even send them to camps where they could work for the benefit of the higher working class of society,

and I guess if there we're too many of them still you just send them to a building that looks like a shower and start pumping in the Cl2 or turn up the termperature....

oh and yeah

http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/

article 16

Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.

[Mr Mystery]

Tell me about it! When I moved jobs last year, it involved commuting to London. That first month cost £432 on the train.....

And despite coming from a full time job, thanks to a pathetic wage (barely above minimum), that came from my Parents.

How is someone meant to achieve that coming out of unemployment? Not everyone is lucky enough to have parents that cash flexible!

Ridiculous prices for public transport, and a moronic approach to benefits is preventing job mobility, and thus screwing up unemployment issues even further.

[Psychosplodge]

so...

Poor people should have forced abortions,

If they need more than some economically viable number (say two?) they should be subject to state sponsored sterilisation,

While we're at it, we should euthanise those born with disabillities or those who suffer them during their life and are unable to support themselves.

We could also dispense with social support, just round up all the people that can't afford to stay off the street, or are already on the street,

You could even send them to camps where they could work for the benefit of the higher working class of society,

and I guess if there we're too many of them still you just send them to a building that looks like a shower and start pumping in the Cl2 or turn up the termperature....

oh and yeah

http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/

article 16


That's a bit further than I was suggesting, but you're entitled to your views.

No where in article 16 does it say I have to pay for it.

What about my right to marry and have a family, that I can't do because I'm employed and can't afford it?

[daboarder]

That's a bit further than I was suggesting, but you're entitled to your views.

No where in article 16 does it say I have to pay for it.

What about my right to marry and have a family, that I can't do because I'm employed and can't afford it?

Article 25


Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
(2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.

but please, lets keep tearing into the list that is used to decry the numerous other discrimination YOU YOURSELF ARE AGAINST!

Article 23


Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.

[Psychosplodge]

I'm for everyone having equal opportunity.
I'm not for paying the can't be arsed (which exist literally a third of the females at the SO school got pregnant promptly on leaving school as they saw that as an "easy career" )

It would be lovely to be able to afford a house... if only I could exercise that right...

[daboarder]

do you know this women or these people?

Have you suffered the same discrimination?

Edit: I mean while we're chucking out rights, why don't we go with this one, I'm sure I could drag this over to the lgbt thread and get plenty vocal support for the declaration of human rights and how it is a fundamental necessity to society.


(1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
(2) Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.
(3) The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.

[Psychosplodge]

No. I know plenty of people abusing the system in some form or another.
I know many people like me that are stuck at home still, looking at the first step on the housing ladder that is slowly receding as the private landlords buy them up to rent at inflated prices to the councils to house people on benefits...
So I might not be rational about it I admit, but it's because I'm pissed off at living out of a 9x9 box with a lack of privacy.

[Wolfshade]

I'm not sure how paying people for children is discriminatory? Surely those who are discrimated are those who are forced to pay this levy but are unable to have children themselves...

[daboarder]

you and your family are entitled to social support......

thats in there mate, right up with the right to work.

but seriously we could just break out the gas chambers, a mandatory IQ test would prevent a lot of these arguments.

[DrLove42]

you and your family are entitled to social support......



Yes. You are entitled to support.

However thats not the issue. "Support" is intended to supplement wages, help share the load and provide support as you cut your hours down to raise a child

What the situation here is people that have 2-3 kids and live a life unemployed can earn 2-3 times what someone who works a 38 hour a week job gets. And then what kind of influence does that have on the kids?

There was a beeb article a few months/year back that made the round. unemployed family complaining that the benefits cap was unfair to them. It broke down there out goings. Despite never working a day in their life they afforded massive TV's, Holidays, Sky TV, cigarettes, more weekly alchohol than i spend in a year....

And to be less serious...

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7650507264/hFDDA3DD6/

[Psychosplodge]

you and your family are entitled to social support......

thats in there mate, right up with the right to work.

but seriously we could just break out the gas chambers, a mandatory IQ test would prevent a lot of these arguments.

But then who will serve my fast food?

[daboarder]

Yes. You are entitled to support.

However thats not the issue. "Support" is intended to supplement wages, help share the load and provide support as you cut your hours down to raise a child

What the situation here is people that have 2-3 kids and live a life unemployed can earn 2-3 times what someone who works a 38 hour a week job gets. And then what kind of influence does that have on the kids?

There was a beeb article a few months/year back that made the round. unemployed family complaining that the benefits cap was unfair to them. It broke down there out goings. Despite never working a day in their life they afforded massive TV's, Holidays, Sky TV, cigarettes, more weekly alchohol than i spend in a year....

Can you provide the evidence to support those claims. And what is the quality of the research. Furthermore none of that was mentioned in the initial situation that started this topic.

Ive heard nothing but biggotry without supporting evidence from any of you.

Good night I will leave you with this.

Lovg live the national socialist british workers parties because 60 years on your jumping at the chance to join what you grandparents and parents fought to prevent.


First they came for the*communists,and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.Then they came for the*socialists,and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.Then they came for the*trade unionists,and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.Then they came for me,and there was no one left to speak for me.

[Psychosplodge]

Short of us frogmarching the offending types into a room with a camera there'll be little evidence we can provide you. But ask the average employed person to give you an example and they'll probably be able to point to at least one...

The only reason it's as high as £26k the cap is because the clueless politicians are earning three or four times that plus expenses so they can't remember actually working for a living.

[daboarder]

Keep on goose stepping guys. Im outta this biggoted bull****.

[DrLove42]

(Tangent) There was that piece not long ago about council rents

Basically they piloted a new scheme, giving the exact money for rent to the tenants, rather than paying it straight to the landlords which is what they normally do. The result? Some 40% couldn't afford to pay rent at the end of the month because they saw it as free money and just spent it, expecting the council to just bail them out

This is interesting. And bear in mind, thats just London.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/londons-36bn-benefits-bill-is-bigger-than-the-uks-whole-defence-budget-8623674.html

Scamming the system

http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/waste/2011/08/unemployed-housing-benefit-claimants-multi-million-pound-house-benefits-scandal.html

We couldn't possibly live without our Sky TV! (also known as "I need to spend money on cigarettes cos no one has helped me stop)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16812185

And more;

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/378643/Mum-of-11-gets-free-designer-eco-mansion-paid-for-by-you

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2083394/For-years-YOUVE-paid-2-000-week-rents-But-housing-benefit-gravy-trains-hit-buffers.html

I'm sure I could find more if I actually looked and not the first few results....

[eldargal]

Most reports into benefits abuse in the UK have it around 10% of the total.

[DrLove42]

But then you have to seperate.

Benefit Fraud. Benefit Abuse. People just claiming **** tons of benefits cos its an easy life.

Those are realistically 3 different types

And i'm definently not saying everyone who claims a benefit of some kind is a *******!

[daboarder]

Benefits abuse is exactly that you ****

What eldargal is saying is that 10% are abusing the system for an easy life.

[eldargal]

Yep, mot of the reports on it say it is a relatively small number yet most of the solutions put forward rest on punishing everyone. I happen to think the caps are still a bit too generous (except for people who can't work for genuine reasons) but you can't go down the route of collective punishment especially not against the most vulnerable members of society. It would be akin to punishing the entire middle class because a certain number engage in tax evasion.

[Psychosplodge]

but you can't go down the route of collective punishment especially not against the most vulnerable members of society. .

Collective punishment is routinely practised in this country. At least it was when I was at school.

[DrLove42]

The cap should be minimum wage. If you think that the minimum (about 13-14K a year) is enough to live on, why is the "benefit" limit so much higher

[eldargal]

I agree the cap should be minimum wage.

[Psychosplodge]

It certainly shouldn't be above it.

Don't forget Daborder, Mr Mystery is one of our more socialist posters if he's agreeing with the more right learning members the system is broken.

[DrLove42]

I forget which way round they go....are the Tories Socialists or are Labour.....and what wing is that?

[Psychosplodge]

Who knows anymore?

[DrLove42]

Yeah they're all getting very central again

OK traditionally which way round are they?

[Psychosplodge]

Traditionally labour is the left and the tories are right, and the lib dems sit somewhere between the two.

but the extreme left and right have a lot in common so it's not exactly a straight line...

[Mr Mystery]

It certainly shouldn't be above it.

Don't forget Daborder, Mr Mystery is one of our more socialist posters if he's agreeing with the more right learning members the system is broken.

Quite so. It was envisaged as a 'tide you over'....but has sadly grown into a credible alternative to actually working.

I don't want it scrapped, just reined in. Yes, even with lower amounts being paid out people will still abuse it. But, with the lower amounts, fewer people will be bothered to abuse it.

[DrLove42]

If it wasn't seen as a far easier life style option things would be a lot easier. At present its seen as an alternative to work, not the support its supposed to be for people looking for work.

Pay it in non-transferable food stamps and direct to landlord rent and see how quickly people start looking for work

[Psychosplodge]

possibly the most messed up thing I've seen today


A 15-year-old boy who was raped by a 34-year-old woman now faces child support in Nebraska.

This is the case for now 19-year-old Jeremy Steen, of Lincoln, Nebraska. In 2008, Steen was seduced and raped repeatedly by his 34-year-old baby sitter Linda Kazinsky. Sources testified that the sexual abuse took place weekly for nearly 3 years. After police were alerted, Ms. Kazinsky was arrested and charged with statutory rape and false imprisonment.

Kazinsky was employed as a babysitter for the Steens for nearly 3 years.

After Kazinsky’s release from Nebraska’s state prison system in 2012 she was able to regain custody of her child. The child had been a ward of the state for the first 13 months until Debra Kazinsky, Linda’s sister, was able to gain custody. After being reunited with her child, Kazinsky promptly filed for Aid and Government assistance which in turn landed Jeremy with a subpena for child support.

Jeremy had his day in court and was ordered to pay $475 a month in child support to Linda Kazinsky as well as a whopping $23,000 in back Child Support payments.


http://livewirereview.com/pay-child-support/

This adult woman raped a 15 year old boy weekly over the course of THREE YEARS
This woman only saw the inside of a jail cell for one YEAR
This woman got pregnant with his child and WON CUSTODY OF THAT CHILD
and this child is being forced to pay child support to his rapist.
This 15 year old must pay her 475 a month
and apparently owes her 23K in pack payments
TO
HIS
RAPIST
THIS CHILD IS LITERALLY PAYING FOR HIS OWN RAPE
THIS IS NOT JUSTICE
THIS IS NOT OKAY

[Mr Mystery]

Yeah.

That's pretty insane.

Would also be statutory rape as well?

[Psychosplodge]

Not under our laws?
Who knows under theirs?

[Kirsten]

that is pretty horrific, poor kid

well I have just finished my first shift at game. got eight hours a week a) to boost my CV and b) because it will make getting the full time job easier when they get round to doing interviews in a few months

[Mr Mystery]

Yay for work!

[Kirsten]

indeed, might just be eight hours a week for a couple of months, then nothing. but worth having a go

[Psychosplodge]

Congrats, didn't realise you got it.

No I want the new game not the second hand one

[Kirsten]

I always buy new, but then I did learn today just how small the margin is on new games, and how much larger it is on pre-owned, so I can understand the push.

[Mr Mystery]

No wonder the publishers want to see it ended!

But to be honest, screw them!

[Kirsten]

yup, Game makes roughly ten times the profit on a pre-owned game over a new one, same with consoles.

[Mr Mystery]

Blimey O'Crikey!!!!

[Kirsten]

I'm not for paying the can't be arsed (which exist literally a third of the females at the SO school got pregnant promptly on leaving school as they saw that as an "easy career" )



do you know this women or these people?


I know them yes, I have met a number of women who have children purely as part of their benefits plan. they know exactly how many kids they need to have in order to get the council house and the maximum money so they never need to work.

Cutting down on benefits is hardly a move towards a fascist state and eugenics. Child benefit should be scrapped entirely, I shouldn't have to pay for someone else's kids. have kids if you can afford them, don't if you can't.

[Gotthammer]

Well it may seem like a lot of profit, but that money isn't just going to a huge vault - it's paying for the stock itself, Kirsten's wage, her boss' wage, rent for the store, insurance for the company, couriers and delivery people to deliver the stock, the wage of the people who print the discs and package them, the game's designers/testers/codemonkeys/musicians/voice actors/concept artists' wages, the game's marketing and advertising and so on. Hell, if you're at a con and you see booth babes/hunks, buying a game at retail is paying for them to be there too!

It's a huge pyramid and the apex is buying an item at retail. Second hand cuts out the money going to the people who made the product, depriving them of potential income with which to use to making new games / eat. It's why companies like their home brand items as they cut out a section of the chain and can take more profit for their own ends, and why things like microtransactions, DLC and subscriptions are becoming more commonplace as they are a more steady flow of income.
Then you have things like loss leading and so on and it all gets rather intricate and far too much like my job.

[Kirsten]

yeah, that is why I have always bought new, to support the developers. but given who tight the money is at my local store, and how much I enjoy the company of the people there. plus it is the best local retailer and I prefer to buy local than online, I might buy the odd pre-owned game now and again to give them a little extra.

[Mr Mystery]

I know them yes, I have met a number of women who have children purely as part of their benefits plan. they know exactly how many kids they need to have in order to get the council house and the maximum money so they never need to work.

Cutting down on benefits is hardly a move towards a fascist state and eugenics. Child benefit should be scrapped entirely, I shouldn't have to pay for someone else's kids. have kids if you can afford them, don't if you can't.

+1 to that!

Some might bring up my state education and numerous hospital trips when still a kid, and that someone paid for me. And you'd right to. Thanks to body errors and good old clumsiness, I have done well. Which is why I don't begrudge paying my taxes. To me, it's paying back what I took out.

[Kirsten]

there are plenty of things taxes should pay for, that is perfectly fine, I have benefited from job seekers for quite a while now, through no fault of my own. I just think that child benefit is not one of those things. council house for life is no use either, people should be downsized when they don't need the space any more. there was a case over here of a family kicked out of a council house for absolutely destroying it through years of neglect and abuse. but council tenants cannot be made homeless, so the council evicted them from their sh*thole, then had to give them a nice new house.

[Mr Mystery]

Absolutely with you on that one.

I work pretty hard for my money, and it galls me that even without incapacity benefit, you can get more money out of benefits. As covered, I earn a decent wage (damned near national average for couples!), so why does someone on the dole get more? Where's the sense?

No, it doesn't help that when 'right to buy' was instigated social housing stock wasn't replenished, leading to council tenants in private rents, and this greedy landlords guaranteed their money. But seriously?

Sort. It. Out.

[Kirsten]

yeah, I get just under £100 a week, and my half of the rent paid. I am very grateful, but it also leaves me really stuck with bills and the like, especially after the much longer than usual winter, late snow etc. gas bills have killed me. if job seekers didn't pay my rent I would be homeless and would then have no chance of a job at all.

[Mr Mystery]

If it makes you feel any better, I just got a bill for over £500 for water rates....

I feel a challenge to that coming on, on account tiny flat is tiny, and I'm not in fact amphibious....

[daboarder]

You have given no evidence but the hearsay of your selves and the media. You have advocated forced abortion and the the violation of peoples rights based upon their social standing.You are all being insanely hypocritical given your opinion in other threads such as feminism, lgbt and Zimmerman. You are all by definition ****ing ****'s

[Mr Mystery]

To be fair, it was Psychosplodge who went overboard....

I just expressed concern that an unemployed young Mum is celebrated these days!

[Kirsten]

You have given no evidence but the hearsay of your selves and the media. You have advocated forced abortion and the the violation of peoples rights based upon their social standing.You are all being insanely hypocritical given your opinion in other threads such as feminism, lgbt and Zimmerman. You are all by definition ****ing ****'s

either you are trolling or an idiot o.O

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Woah, not a good time to return to the thread.

Well done on the job by the way, Kirsten.

[Kirsten]

thanks very much

[daboarder]

either you are trolling or an idiot o.O

Replace the context of everything just said by everyone but eldargal with "jewish" and it would be straight out of the 1930's

Well done o the job though

[Kirsten]

as I said before, cutting back on benefits does not make anybody a na zi, that is a ridiculous thing to say.

I think you made the mistake of taking Psycho seriously

[daboarder]

.....you guys really dont see it do you.


Eldargal has sugvested (with unfortunately no evidence as yet) that benefits abuse is 10% . You guys have just systematically worked yourselves from that position into a fevour over "poor mothers to be being celebrated" and "the masses living off the works of society". That is rhetoric straight out of germany in the 30's

[Kirsten]

ok I can only assume you are taking the piss now

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Wait, hold the phone.

Boarder, you have no idea how many people abuse benefits in England...

I earn about 10.5k a year, so yes, I have benefits. I am looking for a better paid job to get off of benefits.
There is a figure flying around that the average household totting up as many benefits as they can earns like 26.5k a year. This is appalling.

[daboarder]

No im absolutely ashamed and horrified

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/hub/people-places/people/social-protection-and-benefits

[Kirsten]

by what exactly? All you have done is made the most unbelievably ridiculous accusations made on nothing whatsoever

[Mr Mystery]

.....you guys really dont see it do you.


Eldargal has sugvested (with unfortunately no evidence as yet) that benefits abuse is 10% . You guys have just systematically worked yourselves from that position into a fevour over "poor mothers to be being celebrated" and "the masses living off the works of society". That is rhetoric straight out of germany in the 30's

10% thing is genuine, and possibly higher than the actual amount.

What we want to see ended is a life on benefits being a viable alternative to being in full time work.

As said, original idea was to keep people going between jobs, but over the decades it's gone wrong.

This idea does not extend to those genuinely unable to work. It applies solely to those who could work, but choose not to. And a large chunk of that decision is whether fraudulent or not, many are better off on benefit. Which is ridiculous yes?

Our society needs to work as a whole, including employers paying a living wage!

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

What Mystery said.

[Wolfshade]

There is a difference to having right wing views (or right leaning views) and being a facist or national socialist. It is a long way from this view point to the thought of genocide. Suggesting someone shouldn't have something that they themselves cannot afford is a central tenant to how capitalism works. Expecting society, nay, demanding society pick up the bill for that is what is strange. Surely

This is not about debt reduction, sure it will be able to reclaim some money, but a better way to reduce this departments costs an easy one is to put the retirement age up by 2 years, that would save a significant figure of money.

There is a genuine annoyance that it is possible to be better off by having children and living on benefits than working a minimum wage. We currently have a system whereby regardless of your income you are able to claim child support, unless you are unable to have children or choose not to. Why does a couple with £50k+ income require child support? They don't, they may have to re-evaluate their spending patterns however. Similarly, why should people choose to have children when they know they can't afford them. In the original debate surrounding child benefit being limited to a maximum of two children there were interviews by the BBC and it showed people being genuinely annoyed at this prospect with one person commenting that they wouldn't have had that many children if they knew the state wouldn't support them. As it is this benefit cap excludes those who have 6+ children.

I don't think anyone is arguing that the benefit system should be abolished, but the way in which it is being used is not for what it was intended. It was intended as a stop-gap measure between jobs, but there are generations of people who live to a reasonable standard of living without having worked and to our mindset that is unreasonable. It is unreasonable that you are better off not working than working, and there are lots of examples of this. A friend of mine is a fully trained nurse, her and her long term partner had a child he ran off, the cost for the daughter's childcare was such that it she was financially better off by staying at home than going to work. Now being the sort of person she is she took the hit to the wallet and went back to work full time.

This is an illustration of what is wrong with the system. Is the answer to chuck more money at it? I do not think so, all that does is push inflation up (which has risen to 2.8% this just in) and the money is absorbed into the system. Instead an overhaul of the system and to analyse why benefits need to be so high to cover living costs.

Why do housing benefits require to be so high? Because the private rending sector rent is very high, there are numerous people who routinely pay 50%+ of their income on rent. So, do we increase housing benefit to cover these rent costs? No, all that does is flush the market with more money and that pushes the prices up. Instead, control the cost of rent, and if necessary legislate it down, this will reduce the cost to the benefit system and for those who are not receiving any, this frees up income that can be spent in the commercial sector which will drive up the economy.

What I do not think is fair that someone can work 40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year and still be worse off than those who have not worked.

[Psychosplodge]

Daborder, I do apologise.
While I personally do think people with no means of support should be encouraged to do the responsible thing if they find themselves pregnant, I don't actually believe they should be forced or sterilised. I was being a bit OTT

But everything else in the argument stands. Also you don't have to be breaking the law to abuse the system, and that kind of statistic will only ever show up anecdotally, which is why it's so hard to tackle.
As I said before you ask any employed person and they can probably point at someone abusing the system in their area.
Again, literally a third of the girls my significant other went to school with left and immediately fell pregnant.
A third.
But someone on a low wage would struggle to find affordable housing where they were given it.

[Deadlift]

indeed, might just be eight hours a week for a couple of months, then nothing. but worth having a go

That's good news Kirsten, congratulations me dear :D.
8 hours a week to world supremacy in 8 to 10 months I suspect. If you need a henchman I'm your man.

[Wolfshade]

That's good news Kirsten, congratulations me dear :D.
8 hours a week to world supremacy in 8 to 10 months I suspect. If you need a henchman I'm your man.

Stop trying to usurp me! (I think this was covered previously (http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?19953-A-crash-course-in-Feminism-(or-why-everyone-should-be-a-feminist)&p=307686&viewfull=1#post307686)...)

[Psychosplodge]

I'm sure she'll need more than one henchman

[Wolfshade]

Yeah, but have you seen the size of that man-mountain. I'd be usurped!

[Psychosplodge]

She'll still need both a right hand man and a left hand man. And no doubt a selection of glamorous female assassins.

[Wolfshade]

Oh kinda like master-blaster...

[Psychosplodge]

Don't we require an apocalypse first for that to be true?

[Wolfshade]

It was released last week, (without fanfare from Tina Turner)

Also thought you might like:


Hannibal: “Madness can be a medicine for the modern world. You take it in moderation, it’s beneficial.”

Dr. Maurier: “You overdose and it can have unfortunate side effects.”

Hannibal: “Side effects can be temporary. They can be a boost to our psychological immune systems to help fight the existential crisis for the normal life.”

[Deadlift]

Stop trying to usurp me! (I think this was covered previously (http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?19953-A-crash-course-in-Feminism-(or-why-everyone-should-be-a-feminist)&p=307686&viewfull=1#post307686)...)

Lol sorry matey, I don't read that thread anymore, it got far to fancy for me so missed your post ;)

As for the running row about benefits and the like. One point I would like to add about the benefits system is this. No matter how much people are given in benefits it does benefit the economy, whilst I agree benefit fraud is disgusting anyone who is receiving benefits legit is going to do what with said money ? That's right spend it and put it right back into the economy. If benefits are cut too low then not only can I envisage crime rates going up I can also see retail suffering more too, which obviously has a knock on effect.

I don't agree people on benefits should receive more than the average wage, but personally don't think due to personal circumstances they should live a life of poverty either. Remember not all claimants are scumbags. The child having to stay at home and care for a sick parent, should that family have their benefits cut ? No. The family with severely disabled children who can't work because they need to take shifts 24hrs caring for their kids ? No. Just two examples. Would you take away that few extra pounds from their weekly budget so they can't afford a few luxuries. I wouldn't. Some family's really are victims of circumstance and I don't want to see their hard enough lives made harder because the media portrays benefit fraud to be as rampant as it is.

You want an example of how screwed up the tightening of the system is becoming ? I have a friend, he is an amputee and has one leg due to a road accident 14 years ago. Last week he had a letter from the benefits people informing him he is having his benefit disability top up stopped because they were investigating to see if he did actually only have one leg. Labour ****ed up by giving away too much too easily, and now the Tories are bowing down to ignorant public opinion and going to far the other way.

[Deadlift]

Oh kinda like master-blaster...

Lol, you want to ride around on my shoulders ?

[Wolfshade]

The disabled are exempt from the caps...

But it isn't about fraud,


The preliminary estimate of total overpayments due to fraud and error across
all benefits is £3.5bn; this is 2.1% of the total benefit expenditure, which is
estimated to be £166.8bn in 2012/13.

Which is about the amount of money the tax system lost by the latest raise in personal tax allowance.

[Wolfshade]

Lol, you want to ride around on my shoulders ?

Can I?
We would so win any chicken fight (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_fight)

[Deadlift]

The disabled are exempt from the caps

Lol my bad, but there's plenty like single parents and the like who are struggling as is. I do worry society in the UK is starting to brand those on benefits as 2nd class citizens who should only just scrape by the barest minimum. Sure I don't think they need top of the range plasmas etc but I don't think they should have to live a life of borderline poverty either.

[Deadlift]

Can I?
We would so win any chicken fight (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_fight)

Yes, yes we would. ;)

[Wolfshade]

One of the problems is that if you give people money you cannot force them to spend it on "the right stuff", like those who got their housing benefit and instead of paying rent did other things with it.
When you have people who consider cigs and beer, mobile 'phones, sky tv as essential rather than luxuries that is where the issues start.

But trying to mandate what is and isn't essential is going to be an absoulte nightmare and probably is not cost effective.

[Deadlift]

One of the problems is that if you give people money you cannot force them to spend it on "the right stuff", like those who got their housing benefit and instead of paying rent did other things with it.
When you have people who consider cigs and beer, mobile 'phones, sky tv as essential rather than luxuries that is where the issues start.

But trying to mandate what is and isn't essential is going to be an absoulte nightmare and probably is not cost effective.

I'm sure there was an MP back in January who suggested those on benefits received a card account instead of cash. The card would be used to purchase essentials but not "luxury" items and certain items couldn't be bought with said card. Not sure I agree but an idea non the less. However I wouldnt restrict any item at 1st but it could be a good way to monitor a claimants spending habits to ensure they were at least spending on essentials 1st and making sure they meet their financial commitments.

[daboarder]

I'm sure there was an MP back in January who suggested those on benefits received a card account instead of cash. The card would be used to purchase essentials but not "luxury" items and certain items couldn't be bought with said card. Not sure I agree but an idea non the less. However I wouldnt restrict any item at 1st but it could be a good way to monitor a claimants spending habits to ensure they were at least spending on essentials 1st and making sure they meet their financial commitments.

While it seems like a good idea it still punishes the majority to an unnecessary extent.

When I was a student I used to barely ba able to afford food and rent, if I want to say, celebrate a mates graduation, or buy new clothes, or go for a holiday I would sacrifice something like lunch for a few weeks in order to save up the cash to do that. With a card system that is impossible.

[Deadlift]

While it seems like a good idea it still punishes the majority to an unnecessary extent.

When I was a student I used to barely ba able to afford food and rent, if I want to say, celebrate a mates graduation, or buy new clothes, or go for a holiday I would sacrifice something like lunch for a few weeks in order to save up the cash to do that. With a card system that is impossible.

Then in my mind, your benefits were inadequate. I'm saying the card could be used not to restrict spending habits, but ensure those on benefits do meet their obligations 1st. It's no different to what I do myself. I have my 2 bank accounts. One for bills and one for "fun" all my obligations are paid 1st then any extra (after savings etc) at the end of the month goes into the fun account.

Its not a perfect idea I grant you but it could be built upon. My only worry would be the stigma a card like this would carry. Food for thought guys, just remember in this day and age any one of us could find ourselves financially dependant on the government very easily and quickly.

[eldargal]

I like the idea of some element of benefits being inthe form of coupons or a card for necessities, especially if it used to help improve the quality of their diet by subsidising fresh food. But you can't strip away everyones disposable income so it could never be the entirety of it. People have a right to sacrifice, say, food, to indulge in necessities if they want too. Coupons/card being used to ensure a baseline of nutrition especially in families wouldn't hurt but anything else would impact things like daboarder mentioned. Imagine if you were on benefits because you couldn't get a job and then you couldn't even buy family birthday presents because they were deemed 'luxuries', you would be rather pissed off.

[scadugenga]

Yes, yes we would. ;)

I dunno....I bet EG and I could take you.

Mostly because the person sitting on the shoulders does the lion's share of chicken-fighting, and EG could totally take Wolfie. :P

[eldargal]

I can actually see the pool chicken fights being one occasion where the fantasy female armour law of more skin=more protection working.

[Deadlift]

I dunno....I bet EG and I could take you.

Mostly because the person sitting on the shoulders does the lion's share of chicken-fighting, and EG could totally take Wolfie. :P

You mean I can't use Wolfie to bludgeon folks with ? You know swing him about Hulk v Loki style.

[Psychosplodge]

Also thought you might like:

Hannibal: “Madness can be a medicine for the modern world. You take it in moderation, it’s beneficial.”

Dr. Maurier: “You overdose and it can have unfortunate side effects.”

Hannibal: “Side effects can be temporary. They can be a boost to our psychological immune systems to help fight the existential crisis for the normal life.”


http://i40.tinypic.com/sghkxl.png

[Mr Mystery]

Hipster Graffiti now?

Tsk.

[DrLove42]

Damn Hipsters.

Morning all. Sunny.

But someone left the air con on in my office overnight. Was like walking into a fridge...

[Wolfshade]

You mean I can't use Wolfie to bludgeon folks with ? You know swing him about Hulk v Loki style.

I help! :)
Teamwork sucess!

Restricting luxury spending is arguably detrimental to the economy. It is all terribly difficult to try and balance out. I would say that daboarder's attitude is the right one. You want a luxury so you sacrifice to get it, I don't have a problem at all with that. The trouble is when people believe that a two-week holiday or full sky package is an everyday essential and that it is not a luxury but a right.

[Psychosplodge]

http://i41.tinypic.com/2rooxg8.jpg



Morning all. Sunny.

But someone left the air con on in my office overnight. Was like walking into a fridge...

Sounds heavenly.

[Wolfshade]

Does this mean that you have also posted 5,500 mlp pictures?

[Psychosplodge]

Possibly.

Would you like to count them all?

[DrLove42]

No

[Wolfshade]

No, that would be too much madness..

[DrLove42]

Theres only so much pony a normal person can take

[Psychosplodge]

Then we'll never know. But considering there can be four pics per post, it is entirely possibly.

[Wolfshade]

Theres only so much pony a normal person can take

I think Iceland tried to increase that (the food shop not the country...)

[DrLove42]

Mmm...horse meat.

[Psychosplodge]

Not venison though is it... or bison...

[DrLove42]

Never had either

Have had Swordfish....that was good

[Psychosplodge]

Oh they're nice.

I'm not really much of a fish eater.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

So as of last night it turns out that I am now spoken for.
Sorry 'splodgy, we can't bromance anymore.

[DrLove42]

Yay! TDA's got someone to make him miserable as well!

[Psychosplodge]

but, but, but, i've always had someone...

Congrats, join the misery of relationships :D

Becky?

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Nope.

Antonia.

[Psychosplodge]

you whore you.

So thats operation Tennessee out the window then....

[DrLove42]

Unless shes REALLY into that....

[Wolfshade]

What happens in Tennessee stays in Tennesse?

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Toni knows that I am obsessed with Hayley.
She can have Tom Hiddleston. xD

[Mr Mystery]

Think I've almost got a Missus too now......

Depends how Saturday goes ;)

[Psychosplodge]

where will we be if everyone's happy?

[Mr Mystery]

I suspect not in Milton Keynes?

Perhaps a secluded Caribbean Island, where the weather is nice, and beautifully painted models grow on trees?

SUDDENLY!!!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z68SxtmSzP4

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

:p

That'd be awesome.

[Psychosplodge]

Sounds too warm. Can we have somewhere with more sensible weather?

[Deadlift]

It's the summer of love :D just don't suggest anal......yet.

[Psychosplodge]

Not till you've seen her nekid at least a dozen times...

[DrLove42]

Maybe even not then.

Its overrated anyway :P

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

It's the summer of love :D just don't suggest anal......yet.

It's otherwise known as the period alternative.

[Psychosplodge]

It's otherwise known as the period alternative.

Coward, it's only a bit of blood. You're not a man if you haven't got your red wings :p

[Deadlift]

Maybe even not then.

Its overrated anyway :P

I was informed, it's like having a satisfying poo in reverse. Not by Mrs Deadlift. I'm quite sure she would beat me to death if I suggested poop shute love.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Coward, it's only a bit of blood. You're not a man if you haven't got your red wings :p

Been there, by accident, didn't appreciate blood all over my penis.

[Psychosplodge]

lmao twice :D


it's only a bit of red. Apparently it helps with cramps too.

[Deadlift]

Blood for the blood god.

[Psychosplodge]

indeed. plus why would you deliberately limit your chances of getting your end away to only 3 out of 4 weeks of the month?

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Because there are alternatives that don't end with "The Bloody Stick".

[DrLove42]

Well this thread got horrifyingly creepy fast....

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I know, right?

[Deadlift]

Well this thread got horrifyingly creepy fast....

Lol, just how low can we go ?

[DrLove42]

Also FYI - Contraceptive Implant

No babies, no pills, no condoms and in 75% of women no periods for the three years...

[Psychosplodge]

Because there are alternatives that don't end with "The Bloody Stick".

It washes


Lol, just how low can we go ?

Probably a bit further yet.

[Psychosplodge]

Also FYI - Contraceptive Implant

No babies, no pills, no condoms and in 75% of women no periods for the three years...


And you can poke at it under the skin and giggle...

[DrLove42]

And you can poke at it under the skin and giggle...

That too

We seem to have lost all our usual female commenters....have they been put off?

[Psychosplodge]

Not really seen much of them yet this morning anyway so who knows?

[Mr Mystery]

Because there are alternatives that don't end with "The Bloody Stick".

Barber's Pole, innit.

Or perhaps Mexican Lipstick.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I'm going to work....

[Psychosplodge]

Have fun.

[DrLove42]

I am at work

Afternoon on the microscope ahead though. Yay.

Then down to Plymouth for an interview tomorrow. Then up to Coventry for an interview there sometime next week

[Psychosplodge]

You decided to go for it then?

[DrLove42]

May as well. I've got friends down there who i'm staying with overnight so its an excuse to go see people i've not seen in 5 years. And i'm not gonna turn down a job, I'd just much rather have the one in Cov.

Ideally if I could pick up the jobs and put them both here in Southampton i'd be a happy bunny

[eldargal]

Blood > poop.

/thread

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Ughhhh...

[Psychosplodge]

Ideally if I could pick up the jobs and put them both here in Southampton i'd be a happy bunny

Having being to southampton all I can say is you're mad :D


Blood > poop.

/thread

^there's one Doc.

[Mr Mystery]

And for my next trick?

Spending an hour after my lunch on my Grade 2 Application pack.

Let's make it 3 pay rises in 6 months, and a doubling of my earning in 12!

[DrLove42]

Having being to southampton all I can say is you're mad :D





All my friends, the 200 person gaming club i helped set up, my RPG group....

Instead it involves moving to a new place and hoping i can find something equivilent

[Psychosplodge]

mere technicalities...

[DrLove42]

Moving to Coventry is advantageous as it'd mean i could afford a three bed house for what i pay for a 2 bed flat here

[Mr Mystery]

Nice....

Wish I could afford a biggerer flat. Could really do with a spare room!

[DrLove42]

What do you pay over there in TBW?

[Mr Mystery]

For a one bedroomed, kitchen/living room with a small bathroom (shower, sink, bog)....£450 a month. And that is exceptionally cheap for round here! Which is part of my issue. I could go for a more expensive place (can afford it) but sadly, due to bargain flat being a bargain, I wouldn't necessarily increase my space. Unless I get *really* lucky.

[eldargal]

Ughhhh...

You started it.:p

http://25.media.tumblr.com/95fb1cdabc9186b6ba198041136f794b/tumblr_mmk5i63oXt1qc4uvwo1_400.jpg

[DrLove42]

See I used to have the same thing for the same kind of cost down here.

I'm currently in a very nice 2 bed place, but its 700 a month. And as i said i can get a really nice 3 bed house in Cov for that

[Mr Mystery]

See I used to have the same thing for the same kind of cost down here.

I'm currently in a very nice 2 bed place, but its 700 a month. And as i said i can get a really nice 3 bed house in Cov for that

Small houses seem to go for around £650 mark...whilst a big jump, that is within my budget.

With roof over head as is, I can take my time!

[DrLove42]

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7668867072/hBCA4C5E3/

[Kirsten]

For a one bedroomed, kitchen/living room with a small bathroom (shower, sink, bog)....£450 a month. And that is exceptionally cheap for round here! Which is part of my issue. I could go for a more expensive place (can afford it) but sadly, due to bargain flat being a bargain, I wouldn't necessarily increase my space. Unless I get *really* lucky.

you would pay around £600 for that over here, unless it was very run down when it might be £400 if you are lucky and happy to live in a hole.

[Mr Mystery]

Right then....plan time....

Tighten belt, pay off *all* outstanding bills in the next 90 days, to set completely even keel (this is doable. I may not eat very interesting food during though!).

90 days after that, I shall have a suitable deposit for new place. Move out. No more noisy goon upstairs with his god awful music and even worse 'singing'.

And I'll be even closerer to GW! And the town. Well. If I can get a flat in the places I'm looking.

[DrLove42]

I went two weeks eating nothing but rice and soy sauce for every meal once.

[Psychosplodge]

I went two weeks eating nothing but rice and soy sauce for every meal once.

I once went several months without really eating anything.

[scadugenga]

You mean I can't use Wolfie to bludgeon folks with ? You know swing him about Hulk v Loki style.

That's...not really how chicken fighting works.

Though if you want to slam him around Hulk style...not much he could do to stop you... :)

Back when I was on my own at Uni after my mom died...so broke I lived on nought but Ramen for almost a full summer. Can't touch the stuff now.

[Mr Mystery]

So far, able to make a single chicken carcass last 5 days, thanks to couscous.

Good thing about couscous is that it's vesatile.

Also invest in Polenta (if I can find any) and that and I should be about nice. Can easily feed myself on £10 a week!

[daboarder]

Ha thats nothing guys.

A 2 bedroom flat with mold about 35 minutes from the city used to cost me 666 a week.

[scadugenga]

In other disturbing news, saw that my mother-in-law is now reading 50 Shades of Grey.

/hurk

[Psychosplodge]

I'm so tired. 5-6 nights with crap sleep and it's finally really caught me up.
I'm sat falling asleep at my desk.

[Mr Mystery]

Ha thats nothing guys.

A 2 bedroom flat with mold about 35 minutes from the city used to cost me 666 a week. Thats 1332 a month...

What's that in proper money? :p

[Psychosplodge]

Ha thats nothing guys.

A 2 bedroom flat with mold about 35 minutes from the city used to cost me 666 a week. Thats 1332 a month...

Is that in aus$ or adjusted to £?

[eldargal]

In other disturbing news, saw that my mother-in-law is now reading 50 Shades of Grey.

/hurk



I've watched the video of Gilbert Gotfried reading it and that's enough for me.:rolleyes: Anyone tries to shove their thumb up me die horribly.

Bought sins of a Solar Empire: Rebellion on the steam sale, alt tabbed out and forgot about it after fortunately fortifying my border worlds as much as I could with a big fleet sitting on the system nearest to the enemy systems with their largest fleet there. 8 hours later, still a stalemate and I have a ridiculous amount of resources, yay.

[Kirsten]

is Sins of Solar Empire any good?

[Psychosplodge]

Apparently the AI is a bit ropey ^

[eldargal]

is Sins of Solar Empire any good?
I think so.:) Space empire building sims not necessarily everyones cup of tea. Can take a while to get used to it.

The AI isn't bad, in this case it knew an attack on my fortified worlds would be suicide but being AI it fortified the closest path to it's world and left a back door open for me to mount a risky sneak attack. Hur hur.

[DrLove42]

I'm still playing Civ V. After 20-30 turns of both sides building up armies on opposing sides of the border, open war was declared between the English and the Aztecs. Unfortunatly for the Aztec Swordsmen, the English had Gatling Guns....

[eldargal]

It's like the nineteenth century all over again.

[Mr Mystery]

I'm still playing Civ V. After 20-30 turns of both sides building up armies on opposing sides of the border, open war was declared between the English and the Aztecs. Unfortunatly for the Aztec Swordsmen, the English had Gatling Guns....

Sounds a bit cheaty :p

Silly Aztecs!

[DrLove42]

I need to destroy the Aztecs soon. I've just discovered Aluminium and will soon have Oil revealed.

I have very little in terms of Al in my territory....but theres plenty in a small city state just off my shore....

[Wolfshade]

Befriend them for research and free resources :) Also if they are miltaristic then they will gift units :)

[Psychosplodge]

The aztecs are always stupidly aggressive.

[DrLove42]

My problem with befriending City states is it goes down so quickly. Some of the requirements are so rare (X city wants yu to prduce a Great Admiral! - great....theres so few boats out there), I can't trade with them (damn Trade Embargo)....so curb stomping them seems the logical choice. Depends on where Oil shows up in a few turns....

[Psychosplodge]

You're going to launch a war for oil?

[DrLove42]

If I need to...

Oh god I'm George Bush

Just with more intelligence. And sex appeal. And better hair...

OK so i'm nothing like Dubya, but have similar motivations.

[Psychosplodge]

It is the easiest way to control the progress of other nations.

[Wolfshade]

Patronage is your friend, also helps towards diplomatic victory. Plus some of their free resources will give you we love the king days

[scadugenga]

Drive in today Pandora cut loose with AC/DC's Shoot to Thrill.

Should be a good day..

[DrLove42]

Home time soon

Hopefully my order from GW has shwon up and I can finish my new Jetbikes. Ireally detest the plastic body and helmet that comes with Eldar jetbikes so i've had to order some guardians to swap torsos and heads out.

[Wolfshade]

So hot, not looking forward to the cycle home.

Fault management system is offline so I can't raise a fault saying it is offline...

[Mr Mystery]

Home time soon here too.

But no order to look forward to :(

Just washing up when I get in, so I can make tonight's dinner.

Probably should have done it last night. Ah well!