the wraithknight is not new!

[Cpt Codpiece]

yes i know and remember the knights from epic...

but this is not what i am on about......

hidden in plain sight, for the past edition the WK has been sneakily right in front of our eyes!

i was sitting as you do on the 'reading throne' and as i closed the book to finish my business;), i noticed something now very familiar, something i thought that was strange all along......
the 'wraithlord' behind and left of the autarch on the codex cover has never looked right as a WL, its too big (compared to the WL to the right) and its weapons are on its forearms....

then it hit me, the WK has been here all along! its been on the eldar codex this whole time and we never questioned it! :eek:

[Brakkart]

Huh well what do you know, it sure does look like a Wraithknight there on the old codex cover!

[Bigred]

I agree - very, very sneaky GW!

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[Deadlift]

I always assumed it was a Titan, but now ? Cpt Codpiece I tip my hat off to you sir.

[Vdor103]

Ha...great observation!!!

[Cpt Codpiece]

i always assumed the comments of "we have these cool ideas up our sleeves and we have art and stuff ready, we just cant produce the models yet" was just blowing smoke....

but after this i am indeed scratching my head as to what else is hidden..... like the plastic trygon was for a few months, in plain sight.

i have been trawling through the JG art stuff and a few aspect ideas have popped up from 2005, like exarchs with half helms (like illics) and funky wargear.... so im wondering will there be a wave of aspects coming in a few months..... once we all sell a kidney to buy the new eldar gear, and we all know JG has been doing jet bikes since the DE were redone.

just keep an eye out for art that we may have missed/idly overlooked, both for orks and IG/sissies as they are hotly rumoured.

[Uncle Nutsy]

There's another piece that I just found.

On the old tau codex, the sensor suite (or 'head') on the suit that's standing behind the Ethereal. We were staring at the new head style all these years and didn't know it.

[Cpt Codpiece]

yup i saw that, but the tau commander had a similar head, the ethereal however has the fireblade armour with the robes :)

[desert_hack]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but in the WD, Jes Goodwin's first concept sketches date from 2007, a year after this book was published (and probably two or three years after the artwork was drawn).

Not saying it might be based on a rough idea of a 'large WL model', but it's almost certainly not the WK we know today.

[SonicPara]

This isn't GW being playful with planned releases. They are simply looking at their past artwork/models/lore/anything for inspiration on the new stuff; this is a common practice.

They look to the past, see something cool that they can make a new model for, and get the fun "they planned it the whole time" reaction for free. They retroactively create the easter egg, like many others do in all facets of entertainment.

[sangrail777]

that was a good find, cool

[Arthfael]

I beg to differ. That Wraithlord's arm may be a bit weird, but the head is definitely a Wraithlord's one, so are all the details. I'm sorry but this is nothing but a "real scale" (as opposed to heroic scale) wraithlord.

[eldargal]

It doesn't look much like a wraithknight. It does look more like a big wraithlord.

http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=4126&d=1369607617
https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/gws360/2013/06+-+June/Wraithknight/11.jpg

[Mr Mystery]

You can wrist mount heavy weapons on a Wraithlord as well. Just looks a bit arse!

[Cpt Codpiece]

i know there are differences, but the wrist mounted weapons are mounted more wrist side on the WK than elbow side on the WL, also the vanes on the back are exactly the same as the WK and nothing like the WL even the one on the codex front.

while i am not saying its not retroactive design/fluff. and jes' intial designs may well have been 2007, there is nothing saying that they didnt have design consults and rough sketches before hand :)

[Deadlift]

I showed a buddy of mine and he thinks its a revenant Titan. I'm not as "in the know" with Eldar and I choose to believe it's a WK, it's far cooler to go with that idea :)

[eldargal]

It's not a Revenant. The Wraithknight is a revisit of the old eldar knights, the thing on the cover may be a proto-Wraithknight but it is still radically different to the Wraithknight we have. It could also be a wraithlord with some artistic license.

[Cpt Codpiece]

It's not a Revenant. The Wraithknight is a revisit of the old eldar knights, the thing on the cover may be a proto-Wraithknight but it is still radically different to the Wraithknight we have. It could also be a wraithlord with some artistic license.

i agree on all points :)

the titan did not have visible arms under the weapons just articulated guns, like the knights from epic also.

i am strongly leaning towards the protoknight as it has as much in common with the knight as it does the lord at the stage is. but then again there is no data to say either way, who other than Jes and the team can say if they had the idea of the knight as defined as it is now at the time.

and yeah, it could always just be artistic license, but again the WL in the same pic is very clearly based off the WL model, where as the protoknight only has the head and shoulders (no dandruff on this one :)) of the WL, the vanes are not at all WL neither are the gun mounting spots on the arms, and the lack of them on the shoulders. the only main bits that are missing from the knight we know is the titan styled jump jet vents on the top of body/shoulder and the main jets under the arms.

[Rusty Dice]

GW are very clever. They've hidden these little boys for two decades.

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[magickbk]

I always just thought they were both Wraithlords, the one on the right is just further away. On the left, the warlock with the singing spear is almost half height on the supposed Wraithknight. On the left, there are Wraithguard that are roughly half height. If the one on the left were a wraithknight, it should be nearly the height of the page in comparison to what is closest to it in apparent distance. Just my take.

[Cpt Codpiece]

i can see what you mean about the warlock with spear, however there are still objects and smoke in the gap between the warlock and the 'walker' and since its a 2d piece of art there is no true scale of reference.

and rusty dice..... :) we all knew the knights were based off the old epic dudes, however there are a lot of differences between the old epic guys and the wraithknight, even the proto wraithknight on the codex cover :) like i said before they arms with the guns on them,rather than articulated guns, the vanes on the backs are also pretty much identical and not the same as the epic ones.

i would have loved it if GW did a bright stallion in 40k scale.... i am just hoping for a subjugator titan for chaos :) i know that it would need to be FW scale :) i cant remember the knights names for the slaanesh ones but they were like war walkers and the old 'eggs with legs' sentinels