need help against dark eldar

[SNOWMAN]

Hi all got a game against dark eldar vs my deathwing having never been against them before looking for help
its 1500 point standard deathwing not sure what to pick

[Herald of Nurgle]

1) Think solid defensive lines. You may completely demolish them in CC, but unfortunately Dark Eldar don't work like that. Don't go chasing after their shadows.
2) Bring support. Build your DW in teams of 2, one CC and one Shooty.
3) Belial. He will need either PW/SB or TH/SS.

Just a few thoughts.

[The AKH]

Assault cannons and heavy flamers are your friends here. The first to shred Raiders/Ravagers, and the second to roast infantry. Make a lot of gutsy Deep Strikes, to maximise the hurt you can deal out with your first round of shooting. You may not get more than that - once that first round of shooting is done, a lot will come down to maneuver, and it'll be hard to outmaneuver a DE force with Deathwing - especially if they're mechanized.

[Cryl]

Assault cannons and heavy flamers are your friends here. The first to shred Raiders/Ravagers, and the second to roast infantry. Make a lot of gutsy Deep Strikes, to maximise the hurt you can deal out with your first round of shooting. You may not get more than that - once that first round of shooting is done, a lot will come down to maneuver, and it'll be hard to outmaneuver a DE force with Deathwing - especially if they're mechanized.

Basically just that, don't bother with dreads or landraiders as DE will toast them with lances. Be very aggressive with your terminators, get them in your opponents face and set him on fire! Concentrate on transports early to give yourself a fighting chance in later turns and don't roll many ones :)

[Chumbalaya]

I would go for Cyclones. If he's smart, he'll be sitting back popping you from range. With Night Shields, ACs only have a 18" range, so he can safely sit at the back of the board and pound you from range. Cyclones are your best bet.

Spread out to prevent his disintegrator from hurting too much, always bring that Apothecary.

AC/HB Preds and TLAC/ML Dreads would also be helpful.

Knock out his paper thin Raiders and hope you can withstand the barrage of fire.

[SNOWMAN]

Thanks for help so far what do you all think of using raven wing as support as I can borrow some from a mate?

[DarkLink]

Bikes could help you counter his mobility. He'll run circles around your deathwing otherwise.

One thing to point out, is DON'T deepstrike if he has a ravager with disintegrators. If you do, say goodbye to that squad of terminators, as they will not live through the next turn while that ravager is around.

Disintegrators are basically plasma cannons, and ravagers can take 3. You don't want 3 str 7 ap 2 small blasts dropped on you terminators, do you.

And avoid CC with Wytches. They cut your WS in half, and reduce the number of attacks you get, so you terminators won't do so well against them. Oh, and they have a 4+ invulnerable. You'll be lucky to kill 1-2 of them per turn.

Priority targets are ravagers with disintegrators and raiders with wytches. Kill those first. Oh, and his Archon will probably have a 2+ invulnerable save, and if proprely equipped is probably one of the deadliest models in the entire game in CC.

[Vindur]

And avoid CC with Wytches. They cut your WS in half, and reduce the number of attacks you get, so you terminators won't do so well against them. Oh, and they have a 4+ invulnerable. You'll be lucky to kill 1-2 of them per turn.

Cutting terminators WS in half is worthless unless its against a character or they roll the +1 WS combat drug.
Your basic termies will still hit them on 4s and the halved WS only applies for attacks directed against the wyches.

Unfortunatly this match up is a bit of an uphill struggle for you, because DE are very efficient at killing termies. Especially seeing as DA havent figured out how to turn their storm shields on.

Prioritise killing anything with a disintegrator. If you opponant leaves space behind a ravager punish him by DS behind it and you bolters should glance it a few times.

Remember DE vehicles have no extra armour equivalent so one a vehicle is shaken ignore it for the turn.

[Chumbalaya]

Ravenwing would be useful, scouting meltas and bolters can put the hurt on his units quickly.

[Purple]

DE like Deathwing. Blasters and dark lances make terminators cry.

[mjayc50]

yea id say deathwing would not work. bear in mind that a raider can move 12 - wytches get out 2 and fleet plus 6 inch charge (or 12 inch if they get the drug) makes ur speed useless. what you need against DE are lots of small squads. they get toasted then the other ones shoot them to bits! get the raiders as soon as you can. TH/SS termies work well also. those 3+ saves against his evil agonisers is fun. also libby with null zone makes wytches cry as they have to re roll that inv. save! means that when you do hit the ladies they are more likely to go down :S