New faqs up in shrine of knowledge!

[Belial69]

Tau, Dark angels, rulebook. Some interesting clarifications.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?categoryId=1000018&pIndex=1&aId=3000006&multiPageMode=true&start=2&_requestid=439981

Tau can take 3 individual guns the same on battlesuits.

[Mr Mystery]

Told you, whoever it was I told that time when I told them you could take multiples of the same gun when equipping without having to twinlink!

[Learn2Eel]

So, my thoughts;

Imotekh's lightning how hits zooming flyers and swooping flying monstrous creatures. It makes sense.
No stat can be reduced below 1 - obviously in light of Fiends of Slaanesh.
Clarification that invulnerable saves apply to vehicles as well - though I think that was how almost everyone played it anyway.
"Removed from play" is now just "removed from play as a casualty"; Jaws is referenced specifically. Necron players rejoice lol.
Swarms hit by a template/blast weapon that causes instant death do not remove two bases, just one.
Clarification that abilities that hit enemies also hit allies of convenience (be careful with allied Imotekh/Njal/Daemons).
Some obvious ones.

Daemons waited two months for an FAQ and only got clarifications on Heralds riding chariots and that Daemon Princes of Khorne can't take psyker abilities. What the!?

Abaddon can never turn into a Daemon Prince or Chaos Spawn - you re-roll those results, and continue to re-roll them. Woo!
Some obvious ones.

Clarifications on unit choices.
The big one - power field generators in vehicles only affect models embarked on the vehicle. Ergo, no power field generators inside Land Raiders granting multiple Land Raiders in an area a +4 invulnerable save.

Mind War gives Look Out Sir and cover saves. I expected this, honestly.

Some others I saw that caught my eye, but not massive.

[DrLove42]

Deamon Fiends were fixed in the ruleook FAQ (Init can go below 1)

Blasts can wound models out of LoS (finally)

Allies don'ty deny your own objectives (cos **** you BoW)

ID Blasts don't remove two swarm bases, just the one (so you can't kill 10 bases by wounding 5 of them)

[DrLove42]

The big one - power field generators in vehicles only affect models embarked on the vehicle. Ergo, no power field generators inside Land Raiders granting multiple Land Raiders in an area a +4 invulnerable save.


Where was this? WOuld that affect Ork KFF's embarked on vehicles?

[Wolfshade]

Change the last sentence to “A model’s Initiative cannot be
modified below 1, and no other characteristic can be modified
below 0”.

There goes deamons stopping people attacking!

[Kirsten]

excellent, burst cannons all round for my crisis suits

[Mr Mystery]

excellent, burst cannons all round for my crisis suits

Lordy......that's a lot of shots.

And I'd imagine Speed Freeks now have Missile Pod related cold sweats.... In fact, as well Eldar, silly AV12!

We may also see Flamers on everyone now...useful in a pinch, and very good for Overwatch...especially back up overwatch....

[eldargal]

There were actually people (henceforth to be known as 'twits') who tried to argue that vehicles couldn't take saves because saves were only taken against wounds and vehicles didn't have wounds, if I recall the argument correctly.

[Learn2Eel]

Where was this? WOuld that affect Ork KFF's embarked on vehicles?

The Dark Angels FAQ. I think it is intended to be specific to the power field generator - it's AOE was being abused inside transports IIRC.

[Mr Mystery]

There were actually people (henceforth to be known as 'twits') who tried to argue that vehicles couldn't take saves because saves were only taken against wounds and vehicles didn't have wounds, if I recall the argument correctly.

And no doubt they'll continue to argue it.

Still, gives my Flameyburny Chariot a leg up in the survival stakes! Kind of. Ish.

[Magpie]

There were actually people (henceforth to be known as 'twits') who tried to argue that vehicles couldn't take saves because saves were only taken against wounds and vehicles didn't have wounds, if I recall the argument correctly.

I agree, FAQ time being spent on these sort of trivialities annoys me a bit, but at least now the correct answer is clear to everyone.

[Learn2Eel]

There were actually people (henceforth to be known as 'twits') who tried to argue that vehicles couldn't take saves because saves were only taken against wounds and vehicles didn't have wounds, if I recall the argument correctly.

I think given that Dark Eldar could purchase invulnerable saves for their vehicles and Daemons had them it was a bit silly to say they couldn't use invulnerable saves, but I can understand where the argument came from.

[eldargal]

Remember also that it is Frequently Asked Questions, not 'Questions Deemed to be Necessary by a Consensus of Sensible Players' (QDNCSP or Kudnukspuh). GW ansers the questions that get asked the most and with the level of pettiness and literal thinking people love to display when it comes to GW rules we get relatively pointless FAQs.

[Magpie]

Remember also that it is Frequently Asked Questions, not 'Questions Deemed to be Necessary by a Consensus of Sensible Players' (QDNCSP or Kudnukspuh). GW ansers the questions that get asked the most and with the level of pettiness and literal thinking people love to display when it comes to GW rules we get relatively pointless FAQs.

Lulz :D

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Lordy......that's a lot of shots.

And I'd imagine Speed Freeks now have Missile Pod related cold sweats.... In fact, as well Eldar, silly AV12!

We may also see Flamers on everyone now...useful in a pinch, and very good for Overwatch...especially back up overwatch....

That's 8 shots...

Missile Pods are always cool.

I already used the two flamers on a command and control guy.

[Learn2Eel]

Three Burst Cannons = 12 S5 AP5 shots hitting on 4s (before modifiers) per model :eek: And less expensive than taking a twin-linked fusion blaster and plasma rifle that does one S8 AP1 shot and one/two S6 AP2 shots depending on range.

[Kawauso]

Three Burst Cannons = 12 S5 AP5 shots hitting on 4s (before modifiers) per model :eek:

Only if you can find some magical way around the limitation on firing 2 weapon systems at a time.

The most you can do is 4 twin-linked and 4 regular shots using a TL burst cannon and one solo.

[Magpie]

Only if you can find some magical way around the limitation on firing 2 weapon systems at a time.

I have to agree, taking three singles as opposed to a twinlink and a single seems a bit pointless to me? Unless you do something like taking 2 longer range weapons and the third is a flamer for WoD and close up work.

Is two of the same weapon better, probability wise, than a single weapon with twin link?

[Learn2Eel]

Oh right forgot that doh lol.
Well two burst cannons and one flamer seems a great and varied build for anti-infantry. Rock them with burst cannons, and if they charge, hit them with the flamer and one burst cannon.

[Magpie]

Oh right forgot that doh lol.
Well two burst cannons and one flamer seems a great and varied build for anti-infantry. Rock them with burst cannons, and if they charge, hit them with the flamer and one burst cannon.

I'm not so sure you can fire two weapons in overwatch. The ability does say "each shooting phase"

But that debate is for a different thread that this on I think.

[Mr Mystery]

I have to agree, taking three singles as opposed to a twinlink and a single seems a bit pointless to me? Unless you do something like taking 2 longer range weapons and the third is a flamer for WoD and close up work.

Is two of the same weapon better, probability wise, than a single weapon with twin link?

Yep. Twin Linked? You're more likely to land those 4 shots. But with two weapons, there's the potential to land all 8...something not open to twin linked stuff...

[Magpie]

Yep. Twin Linked? You're more likely to land those 4 shots. But with two weapons, there's the potential to land all 8...something not open to twin linked stuff...

Sure I get that but which is more likely.

at BS 3 only 50% of you shots will hit so twin link means on average 2 will hit and the other 2 will be re-rolled to give an extra hit giving 3 hits. Out of 8 you will on average get 4 so there isn't a lot in it.

Not sure if that is the correct calculation tho'

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Why are we only realising this now? I was reading it as this since the new book?

[Badtucker]

no...thats specific for DA , ork ones still are a bubble

[Badtucker]

Where was this? WOuld that affect Ork KFF's embarked on vehicles?

no...thats specific for DA , ork ones still are a bubble

[OrksOrksOrks]

Page 105 – Battlefield Debris, Gun Emplacement
Change the first sentence of the second paragraph to “One
non-vehicle model in base contact with the gun
emplacement can fire it instead of his own weapon,
following the normal rules for shooting. Note that the model
counts as stationary for these purposes”.


Finally, pretty sure someone here told me this wasn't going to be FAQ'd and I was an idiot for thinking it would.

In fact, there is a lot in the rule book FAQ that i've been told by rulebook-wankers is how the rule should work. Good one GW, the only reason they have to put these out is because every time, they under estimate the sheer pett-mindedness of thier playerbase.

Also they fixed Old Zogwart after they broke him last time! (he's still not great though, but hey, he changes people into squigs, so, worth it.)

[Magpie]

In fact, there is a lot in the rule book FAQ that i've been told by rulebook-wankers is how the rule should work. Good one GW, the only reason they have to put these out is because every time, they under estimate the sheer pett-mindedness of thier playerbase.

Or another way might be to say that some people have the same interpretation that GW has and others do not. So GW clarifies their interpretation for those who do not.

[Kirsten]

Why are we only realising this now? I was reading it as this since the new book?

"the second is for two weapons (counting them as a twin linked weapon of that type)" you take a single weapon, or a twin linked weapon, there was no reason to assume you could take two identical weapons without twin linking them. Now it is FAQed it is all gravy, but prior to that by the wording it would have been wrong.

[energongoodie]

Why are we only realising this now? I was reading it as this since the new book?

+1

[OrksOrksOrks]

Or another way might be to say that some people have the same interpretation that GW has and others do not. So GW clarifies their interpretation for those who do not.

When considering the logic of the game world, the answers are very clear, depends how much you're willing to try and break the game for the sake of winning as to what your interpretation is.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

+1

It's all in the phrasing.

[Mr Mystery]

Sure I get that but which is more likely.

at BS 3 only 50% of you shots will hit so twin link means on average 2 will hit and the other 2 will be re-rolled to give an extra hit giving 3 hits. Out of 8 you will on average get 4 so there isn't a lot in it.

Not sure if that is the correct calculation tho'

It is, but it's not taking into account the potential. Both have the potential to spoon all the shots, though this is lower with twin linking. Two separate weapons of course have twice the potential of their twin linked equivalent. Given that, and that at BS3 twin linking is still less effective than two, I'd go with two every day of the week.

[Mr Mystery]

It's all in the phrasing.

It's also likely from people who wish to attend Tournaments as it's their main source of opponents, and don't want some goon deciding to read it the other way...

[Demonus]

Some pretty good FAQs from what I am seeing so far. My Necrons approve.

[Houghten]

The Standard of Devastation has been confirmed as applying to bike twin-linked bolters, but doesn't clarify whether the resulting Salvo 2/4 bolter is still twin-linked or not.

Likewise the hurricane bolter. I mean, I think that's meant to be three twin-linked Salvo 2/4 bolters (effectively a single twin-linked Heavy 12 weapon) but I can't be sure what they're trying for, here.

[eldargal]

Eldar FAQ nerfs Mind War, like it needed it. Dark Eldar FAQ confirms Lelith Hesperax cc attacks ignore armour. Which we already knew if you read the rules...

[Archon Charybdis]

Dark Eldar FAQ confirms Lelith Hesperax cc attacks ignore armour. Which we already knew if you read the rules...

I believe the issue was before it simply said her attacks ignored armor, so Lelith manning a quad gun is no longer AP2.

[Houghten]

Reading through more... I see Imhotekh's lightning can now strike fliers, and the Zzap psychic power can't (despite the main rulebook FAQ stating that a weapon that hits automatically, still hits automatically when making a Snap Shot).

As to vibro cannons and death rays... I really don't see what would be so wrong with giving these weapons alt-fire profiles that hit a single target with BS.

Edit: Well, I thought of something. You'd have to specify "always Snap Shots" for those profiles to stop them getting abused by folks wanting to fire at units that are standing in front of their own units, without risking damage to the friendly.

Edit edit: Well, the Death Ray wouldn't need to Snap Shot, it's on a flier. "Always Skyfire" for that one, rather.

[eldargal]

I believe the issue was before it simply said her attacks ignored armor, so Lelith manning a quad gun is no longer AP2.
But those would be the weapons attacks not hers...

[Mr Mystery]

I have to say, from a meteorlogical point of view, not sure I agree Imohtek's lightning should tonk fliers. Not as if they can ground it.

But then, it is extra groovy space lightning.

[Demonus]

Exactly. You are getting zapped by space lightning to the face!

[Mr.Pickelz]

Why can't GW just give Zogwort BS1?!?!? Also, i find it a tad funny that "Zzap" had the sentence changed to" Choose an enemy unit that is not a Zooming Flyer or Swooping Flying Monstrous Creature, within range and line of sight."
I'm still irk'd, that Big choppa's don't have an Ap Value... a Nob landing grand slams with one still can't penetrate a Ork boyz's t-shirt... If it had rending, then it would be a good choice, but as it is, it's just awful compared to the Power Klaw....

[Kyban]

I have to say, from a meteorlogical point of view, not sure I agree Imohtek's lightning should tonk fliers. Not as if they can ground it.

But then, it is extra groovy space lightning.
Lightning can damage planes, the odds are just pretty low. I reckon they increase when it's being essentially targeted.

Rules wise it makes sense that it would hit allies of convenience but not fluff wise, wouldn't they be protected for the same reason the necrons would? Not sure why they needed that FAQ though, it was already pretty clear.

[DarkLink]

Yep. Twin Linked? You're more likely to land those 4 shots. But with two weapons, there's the potential to land all 8...something not open to twin linked stuff...


Sure I get that but which is more likely.

at BS 3 only 50% of you shots will hit so twin link means on average 2 will hit and the other 2 will be re-rolled to give an extra hit giving 3 hits. Out of 8 you will on average get 4 so there isn't a lot in it.

Not sure if that is the correct calculation tho'

If only Tau had some way of boosting BS outside of twin-linking weapons...

[Wildcard]

Again. ****loads of stuff not errated or clarified that has caused countless pages of arguments and opinions over multiple forums:

General:
-Ordnance on heavy vehicles, all weapons at full BS, or only snapshots after/with ordnance shot
- Got few others i was engaged in conversation recently, but forgot the specific topics, so i'll leave it on that..

GK:
-Master Swordsman clarification / final word
-Rending cleansing flame on crowe
- Nemesis Warding Stave 2++ save against perils

IG / Necrons
- Probably the most relevant question is the heavy vehicle + ordnance stuff..
- Is Pask Character? (thus having precision shots)
Orks:
- Biker stats (wounds iirc) are still not fixed (half unit entries & references say they are 1w half 2w)



And a lot more gathered in here:
http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?23818-Th-Great-BoLS-FAQ-Questions-Thread

[Magpie]

The vehicle Ordnance one is pretty much solved by page 426 and "no saves of any kind allowed" covers the Nemesis Warding Staff v Perils pretty well I think.

Pask doesn't actually shoot anything so even if he was a character precision shots wouldn't apply.
Warbikers Nobs have 1 wound in the stat line of the Page 101 entry, this stat line was corrected by FAQ some time ago.

So really all your bases are pretty much covered, except for Master swordsman which I agree remains enigmatic.

[DarkLink]

You get invulnerable saves against Perils. That's not the question. The question is if you get to use the 2++ from the Warding Stave if you're locked in assault. Since the Stave grants you a 2++ so long as you're in assault, there's no reason you wouldn't get it under the current rules.

Lelith's ruling does call Crowe's rending Cleansing Flame into question, which is a bummer because that's one of the few things that is actually good about Crowe himself.

What's the Master Swordsman question?

Unless Pask has the Character rule, he's not a Character.

Ork bikes don't grant extra wounds. Nob bikers have 2 wounds because they're Nobs, whereas regular bikers have 1 wound. Unless some issue came up recently that changed this, I'm not sure what this question is either.

[Magpie]

You get invulnerable saves against Perils. That's not the question. The question is if you get to use the 2++ from the Warding Stave if you're locked in assault. Since the Stave grants you a 2++ so long as you're in assault, there's no reason you wouldn't get it under the current rules.

Lelith's ruling does call Crowe's rending Cleansing Flame into question, which is a bummer because that's one of the few things that is actually good about Crowe himself.

What's the Master Swordsman question?

Unless Pask has the Character rule, he's not a Character.

Ork bikes don't grant extra wounds. Nob bikers have 2 wounds because they're Nobs, whereas regular bikers have 1 wound. Unless some issue came up recently that changed this, I'm not sure what this question is either.

Check again mate, you don't get any saves against perils anymore, not even invuls. All you can hope for is a FNP

The thing with the Ork Nob Bikers is that their stat line on page 101 shows 1 wound. The FAQ has corrected that sometime ago.

Masterswordsman is what grants Crowe his 4+ rend so I guess that ties in with the AP2 Cleansing Flame which is how the RAW stands atm.

[Uncle Nutsy]

I just saw the update to the tau faq regarding the weapon systems.

Squeeeee! Super dakka suits, here we go.

[DarkLink]

Check again mate, you don't get any saves against perils anymore, not even invuls. All you can hope for is a FNP

Nevermind, mixed up editions because I haven't gotten to play in the last three months.



The thing with the Ork Nob Bikers is that their stat line on page 101 shows 1 wound. The FAQ has corrected that sometime ago.

That's what I'd though, the Ork codex has been out too long for there to still be questions about a unit as common Nob Bikerz floating around.

[Magpie]

.... I haven't gotten to play in the last three months.

WHAT !!!!! have you been marooned on a desert island? (the only VALID excuse I can think of !) :D

[Nabterayl]

In the grim darkness of the last three months, there is only the United States Marine Corps?

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Ura!

[Magpie]

In the grim darkness of the last three months, there is only the United States Marine Corps?

On a desert island ?

[JMichael]

Boo on the Deathwing Assault counting towards the reserves limit :mad:

On a side note, the Eldar Ghost Helm still prevents the perils on a 3+..Go Eldar!

[DarkLink]

On a desert island ?

In the highlands of Quantico Virginia. Not many islands, but plenty of cold water.

[bfmusashi]

In the highlands of Quantico Virginia. Not many islands, but plenty of cold water.

Must be keeping you busy. I remember there being a lot of stores up there a few years back. :(

[Magpie]

In the highlands of Quantico Virginia. Not many islands, but plenty of cold water.

Alright, near enough I reckon.

[YourSwordisMine]

In the highlands of Quantico Virginia. Not many islands, but plenty of cold water.

In a few more weeks it will be all heat and nasty humidity...

But when did Quantico get highlands? I've lived in the area all my life...

Still better than the Sand Fleas of Parris Island... Though, Quantico has some pretty big cockroaches...

South of you along 95 in Fredericksburg, VA; is the game store Game Vault. Pretty big gaming community, and the owner gives discounts to military personnel.

The Woodbridge Game Parlor closed a few years ago. Game Vault is the superior store anyway.

[Demonus]

I drive past there on my way to Kings Dominion :)

[bfmusashi]

I drive past there on my way to Kings Dominion :)

Yankee >.>

[DarkLink]

But when did Quantico get highlands? I've lived in the area all my life...

Figuratively speaking. They manage to find some pretty rough terrain, though I grew up in the foothills on the California side of the Sierra Nevadas so the terrain is actually relatively gentle for me.

[YourSwordisMine]

Figuratively speaking. They manage to find some pretty rough terrain, though I grew up in the foothills on the California side of the Sierra Nevadas so the terrain is actually relatively gentle for me.

Yeah, I was gonna say... When you mentioned "highlands", I went huh? There is definitely some rough terrain out there, but there are definitely worse places than Virginia... lol

But hey, no sand fleas!


If you get a chance to check out Game Vault, please do. It is one of the best Game shops in VA IMHO.

[Demonus]

Yankee >.>

LOL Marylander. I think Im kinda on the border. But I do drink Pepsi, so that makes me honorary Southerner right?

[Galadren]

Hills? What are these hills you people speak of?

[gcsmith]

I'm surprised people haven't noticed the biggest change in the Tau FAQ, the fact that it now says Tau Empire at the bottom instead of Chaos Space Marines.

[DarkLink]

Hills? What are these hills you people speak of?


http://iamwilderness.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Convict-Lake-Sierra-Nevadas-590x390.jpg

These are the hills of my homeland.

[MajorWesJanson]

I'm surprised people haven't noticed the biggest change in the Tau FAQ, the fact that it now says Tau Empire at the bottom instead of Chaos Space Marines.

That's a fluff change, not rules related.

[Necron2.0]

http://iamwilderness.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Convict-Lake-Sierra-Nevadas-590x390.jpg

These are the hills of my homeland.

Aww! Those are cute.

These were the hills I grew up with:
http://www.mytripguru.com/Activities/190_Denali.jpg

:D

[Maelstorm]

HELP! This thread has been hijacked.

[DarkLink]

Aww! Those are cute.

These were the hills I grew up with:
http://www.mytripguru.com/Activities/190_Denali.jpg

:D

Just up the hill from me;). It's actually nice, we avoid the snow and extreme cold, but there aren't many better places to live if you like skiing or snowboarding.

[Wolfshade]

HELP! This thread has been hijacked.

Sssh! First rule of derailment, no one talks about derailment.

Though curiously, not by a horseman, we must be loosing our touch...:eek:

[Belial69]

I turn my back for two seconds and its gone from FAQs to hills, lol.

[Maelstorm]

It's gone to hills in a hand basket...

[Necron2.0]

And that's a FAQ't.

[Wildeybeast]

Sssh! First rule of derailment, no one talks about derailment.

Though curiously, not by a horseman, we must be loosing our touch...:eek:

On the contrary, we are spreading the faith and converting our colonial cousins.