Cronair for the win

[Ghost]

For inspiration and/or comments and critique: a short video of my Necrons tournament win. It speaks volumes to the strenght of Cronair that I had only played 3 games with Necrons before the tournament.
Hope you enjoy:)

http://youtu.be/JyHGG-MVOMk

[DrBored]

It's not hard to spam. :)

[Ghost]

It's not hard to spam. :)

True - the other cronair list, won both games 20-0 before our game. Well, if it works, it works I guess...:rolleyes:

[OrksOrksOrks]

Yeah I bet those games were loads of fun for your opponent. Well done I guess, but you're not actually following the rules of the game.

[OrksOrksOrks]

For inspiration and/or comments and critique: a short video of my Necrons tournament win. It speaks volumes to the strenght of Cronair that I had only played 3 games with Necrons before the tournament.
Hope you enjoy:)

http://youtu.be/JyHGG-MVOMk

Did you honestly expect us to pat you on the back and say hurrah for winning with the latest unbeatable armylist that you took from a blog? One you admit took no skill or understanding of the army to win with? Do you need that to feel good about yourself?

[Magpie]

I have to agree with the other guys, pulling off a win with a list that is heavily tilted in a direction to which few armies are able to answer really isn't that much of a win.

Panzers v Horses doesn't show a lot of tactical skill.

Reason #2 why I don't bother with tournaments.

[DeadPanda]

Tournaments are for players who want to win I guess, so lists like this are common place. Fair enough but like Magpie, I don't like the ott nature of competitive play like that. For me it's not fun crushing the person across the board. Each to their own. However I doubt you use this list in friendly games. At least I hope you don't :)

[Thiazi]

congrats on the win. It was a tournament you played to win. Well Done.

[OrksOrksOrks]

Nope, tournaments are places that people go to to play Warhammer 40,000, which is a wargame with a friendly spirit, this competitiveness and broken lists isn't a part of Warhammer 40,000 and never has been.

Its not good for the hobby either, its not a balanced game meant for competitive play, so when you play it like that and wipe the hell out of your opponents, you're making sure 50% of the people playing aren't enjoying themselves, you know what happens when people stop enjoying their hobby? They stop playing.

I can't play with overly competitive people, wanting to win a game isn't the same as trying to wipe out your opponent.

But then, I'm an Ork player and Orkses is never beaten in battle.

[Sly]

Did you honestly expect us to pat you on the back and say hurrah for winning with the latest unbeatable armylist that you took from a blog? One you admit took no skill or understanding of the army to win with? Do you need that to feel good about yourself?

Agreed.
Winning is fine. Winning with a list that you didn't conceive yourself is fine.
Saying "Huzzah, look at how great I am" after winning with a list that someone else made and that is so obvious in its playstyle that it hardly needed playtesting... where is the "how great I am" in that action?

[Ghost]

I respect your oppinions - and as I wrote in the comments, my victory says a lot about the strenght of the list. And yes, it is a common list. Will I field in friendly games? Only if those friendly games are aggreed upon as tournament preparation.

The idea of my videolog is to see how much better a gamer I can become in a year. I measure that improvement in won games. No doubt it can be argued I would improve more playing less spammy/net/beardy lists. To each his own approach.

I play tournaments for the competition. I prefer going up against likeminded players - in tournaments. That won't always be the case. When it isn't I don't gloat. All games are better in a friendly atmosfere.

Do I expect a pad on the back? Actually I am pleased that I have won my last three tournaments with three different codex (the others being Nids and Eldar) but no one goes searching the 40K forums to look for someone to pad on the back. I myself often go to the forums for inspiration and I am merely trying to contribute to the forums ability to cater to that.

Cheers:)

[OrksOrksOrks]

I respect your oppinions - and as I wrote in the comments, my victory says a lot about the strenght of the list. And yes, it is a common list. Will I field in friendly games? Only if those friendly games are aggreed upon as tournament preparation.

The idea of my videolog is to see how much better a gamer I can become in a year. I measure that improvement in won games. No doubt it can be argued I would improve more playing less spammy/net/beardy lists. To each his own approach.

I play tournaments for the competition. I prefer going up against likeminded players - in tournaments. That won't always be the case. When it isn't I don't gloat. All games are better in a friendly atmosfere.

Do I expect a pad on the back? Actually I am pleased that I have won my last free tournaments with three different codex (the others being Nids and Eldar) but no one goes searching the 40K forums to look for someone to pad on the back. I myself often go to the forums for inspiration and I am merely trying to contribute to the forums ability to cater to that.

Cheers:)

you are not improving, you're copying a list that wins games and winning games with it, thats not an improvement and it inspires no one, it takes the exact opposite of imagination and inspiration to play and win with such a simple and overly effective (currently) netlist.

[Ghost]

you are not improving, you're copying a list that wins games and winning games with it, thats not an improvement and it inspires no one, it takes the exact opposite of imagination and inspiration to play and win with such a simple and overly effective (currently) netlist.
We disagree - at least partly - on what is interesting to see on forums and what makes good games. I get that. I think your perspective is as valid as mine and vice versa. I am unsure about, what you are hoping to achieve stating that I shouldn't do what I like to do:confused:

[OrksOrksOrks]

We disagree - at least partly - on what is interesting to see on forums and what makes good games. I get that. I think your perspective is as valid as mine and vice versa. I am unsure about, what you are hoping to achieve stating that I shouldn't do what I like to do:confused:

I'm just saying that a thread on the forums should have value, this doesn't. You're entitled to do what you want to do, but when you impinge on the fun of others and ruin their game, I have to call that out and say its ****ty, because it is, and then to talk like you have skills that are improving when you copied a list from the internet that you yourself claims to use no skill to win, what are you hoping to achieve? All you've done is beat someone who may have put time and effort into their army list and hobby when you've not done that at all. Its a hobby for most people you know.

[Ghost]

I don't see us doing anything but a whole lot of disagreeing and going nowhere. Let's leave it at that.
Feel free to send me a private message if you want to keep this discussion going.

[Aegwymourn]

Wow a lot of haterade going on here today. Personally I like your videos and thought this one was a worthwhile use of my time. Keep them going!

For everyone else that doesn't seem to like competitive or tournament list building I don't see what you are complaining about. If you show up to a tournament prepare to get your face stomped by the nastiest thing someone can come up with. If its not your thing you don't have to play that way. I didn't get the impression he was saying, "look at me I won", but rather "this list is interesting for learning in a competitive environment."

[DarkLink]

OrksOrksOrks is a troll, so just ignore him. That said, flyer rules are so imbalanced that there really isn't much point in a thread discussing the strengths of a necron flyer list.

[DeadPanda]

OrksOrksOrks is a troll, so just ignore him. That said, flyer rules are so imbalanced that there really isn't much point in a thread discussing the strengths of a necron flyer list.

This ^
And as much as he is giving you grief over your list and play style, he is making himself look exactly like the kill joy he is supposedly against. Welcome to the BoLs Ghost.

[Popsical]

This ^
And as much as he is giving you grief over your list and play style, he is making himself look exactly like the kill joy he is supposedly against. Welcome to the BoLs Ghost.

I think the nay sayers are trying to make a point.
Ghost, you say you want to gauge your improvement as a player over a year.
The fact you have won your last 3 tournies doesnt really leave you room for improvement, so it seems a bit like your showing off.
Perhaps its better for you to improve by playing less uber obvious power lists and trying to win with them instead. Even at tournies power lists tend to alienate the user. I know i did it once. I enjoyed it, but the back stabbing that came after kinda spoilt it all. So much so that i cant be bothered with tournies anymore.

[Dave Mcturk]

was the list legal... did he win... end of.
and i like the fact that he is contributing and sharing... top man

we all know gw write rules to sell models...

up to TO's to limit selections... or to write scenarios that make game more open...

[OrksOrksOrks]

Tournaments are places to go and play Warhammer 40,000, its not a super-competitive game, if you read the rule book on Page 8 it talks about the spirit of the game and making sure both players enjoy themselves.

You have a responsibility as a player to make sure the other player enjoys the game. Taking a list that you know will table your opponent or at least win easily without any skill isn't fun for them.

Saying that isn't trolling, its a fact, playing like this is against the rules.

Its odd that this WAAC attitude has came over to tabletop wargaming, it used to be that we'd call people who played like that cheesy or beardy, it was accepted that making armies like that wasn't the done thing by both those that do it and those who didn't. The older, more establised wargaming communities, the historicals and the like, don't have this issue, possibly because they have a playerbase mature enough to know that having fun doesn't have to mean dominating your opponent.

[jgebi]

This is why I get raged at for playing necrons, I don't play tournaments as it's not something I really want to do (I'm a fluff head through and through) but if your only winning because of someone aleses list then I wouldn't count it as a win but thats me, this being said their is still a good amount of tactics in any game so on that well done

[egorene]

Its interessting to play with it and to win , but i admit i dont like fliers .
Personally i think they should have stayed Apo only .

But if i go to a tournament and win with them its ok .

And its your money to spend on that fliers .
So go and win again

[Ghost]

I appriciate all the positive feedback!:)


Even at tournies power lists tend to alienate the user. I know i did it once. I enjoyed it, but the back stabbing that came after kinda spoilt it all. So much so that i cant be bothered with tournies anymore.
That's sad:( I hear your warning.



The fact you have won your last 3 tournies doesnt really leave you room for improvement, so it seems a bit like your showing off.

There are at least a dozen players considered (also by me) better players than I am in Denmark. I would like to climb that ladder:)
(And for the sake of not derailing the thread: They are considered better because they are winning, with whatever list will get the job done.)

[Maelstorm]

For YEARS of win-at-all-costs (WAAC) folks who used to regularly table old Necrons with IG Leaf Blower, BA Mech-spam, SW missile spam, Grey Knights (the only codex with training wheels), etc, etc...

Paybacks a b!tch :p

I'm inclined to take a few flyers to a tournament - for friendly games I might bring 1 flyer or none.

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Food for thought:

Necron Transports:

Monolith..........200 points

. A Monolith Dimensional Corridor brings through a single unengaged (or reserve) non-vehicle Necron unit each turn

Ghost Ark........115 points

. A Ghost Ark can carry 10 models: ONLY Necron Warriors and HQ models (but not Destroyer Lords)!

Night Scythe... 100 points

. A Night Scythe can carry 15 models: Warriors, Immortals, Deathmarks, Lychguard, Triarch Praetorians, Flayed Ones, Wraiths, Tomb Blades, Destroyers, Destroyer Lords, Lords, Overlords, Crypteks, and Special Characters

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A Ghost Ark is very limited in what it can carry and a Monolith moves a grand total of 6" per turn! If these were your only choices, which would you reach for??

[Maelstorm]

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