Where's the Bretonnian love?

[Myrkwell]

I don't see any rumors/leaked pics for Bretonnians. Where's the love for the Bretonnians?

[Mr Mystery]

Meh. They'll come around in time.

They need as much work as the Stick Pixies do. Cavalry and Skirmishers took a suitable kicking in 8th Edition!

[Brakkart]

That's cos leaked pics only normally start to show up within a couple months of those models release these days. The only rumours about the pseudo-froggies that we have is that "they are being worked on" and that "they may or may not be due out 2015". And that's about it.

Not really a fan of the Brets but I am still curious to see what GW do with them.

[Myrkwell]

2015!? Ugh. Okay, I guess that saves me some money anyways. I'll have to get my cavalry fix with Empire or Chaos Warriors.

[Brakkart]

Yup 2015 is what has been rumoured, late 2014 at the earliest. From what we've heard from reliable rumour sources we can expect to see High Elves, Lizardmen, Dark Elves and Dwarfs all before Brets and it's entirely possible that we may see Skaven and Beastmen covered before them too. I would not be at all surprised to see Brets and Wood Elves be the last army books done for 8th edition and they would thus be written with 9th edition in mind, so as to be more compatible going forwards. That is pure conjecture on my part though.

[kyfer]

I am curious as to what new units GW would bring to Brets? I've had a couple of concepts for what they could do, but certainly dwindling in the inevitable GW 'big kit', all I can see potentially is trebuchet or karl franz scaled hippogryph.

And surely as the 'cavalry specialists' (they may not be, but they'll always hold that image in my head) they would have to have monstrous cavalry? Could be pegasus knights if they're switched from FC.

Until then, keep praying to the Lady, brother!

[eldargal]

I'd say a plastic trebuchet and plastic pegasus knights would be a safe bet.

[Mr Mystery]

As long as there is more to them than...

1) Deploy in lances
2) Opt to pray. It's not like you need the first turn....
3) Charge lolirtacticalgeniusbydintofbeingabletochargeyou.

Don't want to go back to those days.

[Mr Mystery]

I'd say a plastic trebuchet and plastic pegasus knights would be a safe bet.

Pegasus Knights have always been plastic?

[eldargal]

Bah, meant Grail Knights, saw pegasus somewhere and it got stuck in my head. There were also rumours the trebuchet would be a dual kit with a grail relicquae and I was told there would be a new Repanse de Lyonesse sculpt. Supposedly it is done and looks magnificent, but I have my doubts.

[Mr Mystery]

Mon Dieu! Combo Treb and Reliquae? Rubbish. Surely that's rubbish. Not exactly much in the way of common parts I'd imagine. Unless Trebs now lob around dead Knights/living stinky Peasents?

[Wolfshade]

Unless Trebs now lob around dead Knights/living stinky Peasents?

They found it was cheaper than rocks...

[Psychosplodge]

Where's the Bretonnian love?

In their castles, well wherever they can get it, but mostly in their castles...

[spaceman91]

A friend of mine who used to do something at GW HQ ( never asked what ) told me once that some head shed hated the brets and had vowed that while he was there they would never be done. I took this with a pinch of salt so i would say that all of you should.

[Myrkwell]

In their castles, well wherever they can get it, but mostly in their castles...

I thought it was in lakes!? ;)

[Brakkart]

Unless Trebs now lob around dead Knights/living stinky Peasents?

Lobbing dead bodies into cities was a pretty common tactic back in the medieval period, especially if the dead body had something nasty and contagious infesting it. Not very honourable though, so probably not a good fit for the Brets.

[Mr.Pickelz]

What Bret's need is a Knight's Vow of Flight, that allows him to use a Trebuchet as a mount, which would allow him to "Fly" into assault with the intended target...Or have Yeomen take that route... Either way, a Trebuchet throwing dudes would be cool to see. ;)

[Psychosplodge]

I thought it was in lakes!? ;)

No, that's just how they choose their ruler.

[Wildeybeast]

Lobbing dead bodies into cities was a pretty common tactic back in the medieval period, especially if the dead body had something nasty and contagious infesting it. Not very honourable though, so probably not a good fit for the Brets.

Nonsense. A knight can't fight a castle and thus has no opportunity to demonstrate his valour. Far better to force them out of the castle where he can heroically cut them down. Besides, if the cowardly, unchivalrous enemy want to hide in their castle, they are the ones breaking the noble rules of combat and a knight can hardly be blamed for having to stoop to their level. Plus, its the filthy peasants who will be doing the actual body flinging, so it doesn't count anyway.

[Brakkart]

Nonsense. A knight can't fight a castle and thus has no opportunity to demonstrate his valour. Far better to force them out of the castle where he can heroically cut them down. Besides, if the cowardly, unchivalrous enemy want to hide in their castle, they are the ones breaking the noble rules of combat and a knight can hardly be blamed for having to stoop to their level. Plus, its the filthy peasants who will be doing the actual body flinging, so it doesn't count anyway.

I read that, then I re-read it again in a pseudo-french accent and I have to concede that you have a point there, it is entirely in character for them to do that and to justify doing that in that way.

[Aenir]

this has been a topic on the Bret Forum I frequent, and the consensus seems to be that the design studio just doesn't have any ideas for them. Just our thoughts on it.

[eldargal]

We don't actually know what ideas the design studio has, though.

[Myrkwell]

this has been a topic on the Bret Forum I frequent, and the consensus seems to be that the design studio just doesn't have any ideas for them. Just our thoughts on it.

They definitely don't have the fluff support that the Empire has, that's for sure.

[magickbk]

We don't actually know what ideas the design studio has, though.

They need either a big thing or a flying thing to keep pace with other books that have been released. I think we're all thinking the same thing: Trojan Rabbit.

[eldargal]

They need either a big thing or a flying thing to keep pace with other books that have been released. I think we're all thinking the same thing: Trojan Rabbit.
You mean liek the trebuchet they have had for years?:p Big things aren't new, they are something that some armies have always had and has been in the background for every army but weren't reflected in army lists and model ranges 'cos WFB was basically neglected by GW for quite a long time.

[Wolfshade]

When I was considering a WFB army, I was drawn to brets to do a "Richard the Lionheart" themed, wioth the knights with specific heraldy of the right lords and stuff

[Psychosplodge]

They need either a big thing or a flying thing to keep pace with other books that have been released. I think we're all thinking the same thing: Trojan Rabbit.

If I can get a trojan rabbit I will collect a Bretonnian army.

[Kirsten]

Trojan rabbit throws up a whole different image for me but hey.

personally I would say the king on his hippogryph would be prime big model material, like the empire griffon. I hope it isn't as big though, not keen on the empire model at all, just too large, how does Karl even attack anything? dragons are at least sinuous and flexible.

[Psychosplodge]

Trojan rabbit throws up a hole different image for me but hey.


O_O

I didn't know trojan did those...

[Kirsten]

they might not, I have no idea, they should though, it sounds awesome...

I am kinda stuck on the bretonnian issue. On the one hand I don't want a new book because it will invariably strip away most of the cool magic items and vows. On the other hand now that they have wrecked the lance formation in the FAQ, they kinda need a new book to fix that. Also new book means new models, and my bretonnian army is waiting on plastic grail knights, no way I am paying £45 for five resin ones.

[Brakkart]

Also new book means new models, and my bretonnian army is waiting on plastic grail knights, no way I am paying £45 for five resin ones.

Actually they will likely still be that price because they've not been replacing existing resin or plastic models in any of the recent release waves. They've been releasing new models to cover for old metal figures (that have not already been converted to resin) and entirely new models, but those in finecast have remained in finecast. No reason to assume that the Grail Knights will be any different. I grant that the upcoming new Shadow Warriors are a rare exception to this policy though.

[Kirsten]

oh I know they wont be any cheaper, but they will be multi part, better to build, better to convert, more options and variation. we are talking about a release at least a year away, so there is no point really looking at what has or hasn't been converted from finecast elsewhere, I don't believe there is some great system of leaving a few things finecast, making some plastic etc. It will happen, or it wont, given how important grail knights are to bretonnian armies I think it is far more likely that they will go plastic than not personally.

[Mr Mystery]

Plus, the Grail Knight models, for my money, simply aren't spangly enough for a rare unit of mentalist, possibly a wee bit possessed Cavalry. They are of course very nice models.....but they just don't quite fit the bill. There's not hint of anything even vaguely supernatural about them, which is not the impression I get from their background.

[Myrkwell]

I think we're all thinking the same thing: Trojan Rabbit.

haha! That or a Cow-a-pult.

[gcsmith]

Brettonians are my first ever fantasy army, and are the reason I wish I could work at head office just to write the book. I know for certain that given a little time I could come up with a decent idea :D

[Zaonite]

I spoke to Colin Grayson (the guy who designed the empire magic chariot laser) at last GDUK and he asked me if I had any ideas for Bretonnians. During the conversation I kind of got the feeling that ideas had petered out within the studio and they were stuck for what to do with them.

However, considering some rumours floating around; if the book is due for release in 2014/15 then the book is already being worked on.

I do feel that to accommodate more options/flavour into a new book that the Monty Python theme of the last book needs to be toned down - as in previous books it is implied that anyone can become a knight.

We shall just have to keep our fingers crossed and wait and see!

[Kirsten]

I do feel that to accommodate more options/flavour into a new book that the Monty Python theme of the last book needs to be toned down - as in previous books it is implied that anyone can become a knight.

honestly I couldn't disagree with that assessment more :p

[Zaonite]

honestly I couldn't disagree with that assessment more :p

You could start a flame war :p

I could be totally wrong though and they could turn it up to 11 on the dial and the book would be awesome. Either way :D

[Kirsten]

I meant more the monty python and knight bit, I don't get that feeling from the current book at all

[Zaonite]

I meant more the monty python and knight bit, I don't get that feeling from the current book at all

By the Monty Python bit I meant the downtrodden disease ridden peasants and commoners...

[Psychosplodge]

Sod Bretonnions let's have WHA:Monty Python.

[Kirsten]

well that is just medeival peasants though, it isn't a specifically monty python thing, plenty of peasants were down trodden and diseased.

[JGRSound]

I think the problem with both brets and woodies(i have both) is it would be too easy to make them abusively powerful, and we don't need to go back to the newest is nastiest way again. It needs more options and just once i'd like to ride to battle without my grail knights. now if the faq team could stop nerfing every useful piece of equipment(100pts for a flag to make you disrupted if your touching the BSB)grumble mumble.

[Mr Mystery]

By the Monty Python bit I meant the downtrodden disease ridden peasants and commoners...

Welcome to medieval Europe!