Dark Angels Full 3rd Battle Company - Need Help to Make it Happen.

[Whereswaldo]

A Dark Angels Full Battle Company contains

1 Company Master - I have
6 Tactical Squads - I have - I can get whatever special and heavy weapon options needed
2 Assault Squads - I really hate assault squads unless its BA (in the past i've played SW and grey hunters kind of kill assault squads for me)
2 Devastator Squads - I can get whatever makeup needed

I have a company master and 6 tacticals from DV, and I would kind of like to put together a full battle company that is competitive (even if it is 2k+ points) I also have a solid 2k points worth of Deathwing that if I was adding a battle company to could make a decent apoc list.

This is what I have been thinking about so far.

Dark Angel's 3rd Company

Company Master (Artificer Armor, Power Sword, Lion’s Roar, Power Field Generator) – 175 {Deployed with the Company Command Squad} - has to have the ps and a combi plasma from DV model.

Company Command Squad {4 Dark Angel Veterans, Apothecary, 4 Plasma Guns, Razorback with Twin-Linked Lascannon} - 230 - with banner of devastation the plasmas could be swapped to combis easily.

Tactical Squad (1 Sergeant with Bolter, 9 Space Marines, 1 Plasma Gun, 1 Lascannon, Razorback with Twin-Linked Lascannon) – 230
Tactical Squad (1 Sergeant with Bolter, 9 Space Marines, 1 Plasma Gun, 1 Lascannon, Razorback with Twin-Linked Lascannon) – 230
Tactical Squad (1 Sergeant with Bolter, 9 Space Marines, 1 Plasma Gun, 1 Lascannon, Razorback with Twin-Linked Lascannon) – 230
Tactical Squad (1 Sergeant with Bolter, 9 Space Marines, 1 Plasma Gun, 1 Lascannon, Razorback with Twin-Linked Lascannon) – 230
Tactical Squad (1 Sergeant with Bolter, 9 Space Marines, 1 Plasma Gun, 1 Lascannon, Razorback with Twin-Linked Lascannon) – 230
Tactical Squad (1 Sergeant with Bolter, 9 Space Marines, 1 Plasma Gun, 1 Lascannon, Razorback with Twin-Linked Lascannon) – 230

All Tactical Squads in Razorbacks are as Follows {Combat Squad, Sergeant and 4 Marines with Plasma Gun Deployed inside the Razorback, 5 Marines with Lascannon Deployed Backfield}

Assault Squad (1 Dark Angel’s Veteran Sergeant with Power Fist, 9 Space Marines, 2 Flamers, Jump Packs) – 215 {Deployed via Deep Strike – Used to Screen for Deathwing Units}
Assault Squad (1 Dark Angel’s Veteran Sergeant with Power Fist, 9 Space Marines, 2 Flamers, Jump Packs) – 215 {Deployed via Deep Strike – Used to Screen for Deathwing Units}

Devastators (1 Space Marine Sergeant, 4 Space Marines, 4 Missile Launchers with Flakk) – 170
Devastators (1 Space Marine Sergeant, 4 Space Marines, 4 Missile Launchers with Flakk) – 170

Aegis Defense Line (Icarus Lascannon) – 85 {Occupied by Devastators}

= 2640

Dark Angel’s Deathwing

Belial (Terminator Armor, Storm Bolter, Sword of Silence) – 190 {Attached to the 10 Man Deathwing Unit Being Deployed With Plasma Cannons}

Librarian (Terminator Armor, Storm Bolter & Force Sword, Mastery Level 2) – 130 {Attached to the 10 Man Deathwing Unit Being Deployed Using Deathwing Assault with Cyclone Missile Launchers}

Deathwing Command Squad (5 Deathwing Terminators, Standard of Fortitude, 2 Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield, Cyclone Missile Launcher) – 340 {Deployed Using Deathwing Assault}

10 Deathwing Terminators (1 Deathwing Terminator Sergeant with Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield, 9 Deathwing Terminators, 1 Chain Fist, 2 Plasma Cannon) – 480 {Deployed using Deathwing Assault}

10 Deathwing Terminators (1 Deathwing Terminator Sergeant with Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield, 9 Deathwing Terminators, 1 Chain Fist, 2 Cyclone Missile Launcher) – 500 {Deployed using
Deathwing Assault}

Deathwing Dreadnought (Venerable, Multi-Melta, Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon with Heavy Flamer, Extra Armor, Drop Pod) – 180
Deathwing Dreadnought (Venerable, Multi-Melta, Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon with Heavy Flamer, Extra Armor, Drop Pod) – 180

= 2000

I easily could cut Belial, the Libby, and the Command Squad for a apoc list to free up points on the Deathwing - or swap them out for Deathwing Knights.

I originally was going to run the Devastators in squads of 10 with 2 plasma cannon 2 missile launchers in rhions and use them like tactical squads but I lowered it to 5 per and flakk with the ADL to add some anti flier options. I also did not add a banner into this list because I normally use a Banner of Fortitude with Deathwing. The Power Field is on the company master really just because razorbacks are so paper thin and the amount of points already inside that razorback.


My obvious problem ... tons of points. I think with both of them combined it would make a decent apoc list (hordes would be tough - maybe swap some tactical plasmas to flamers) - at with both of them together and a few other units it could easily be a 5000 point apoc list. And I would have a decent MSU Dark Angels setup if I get bored with Deathwing.

Anyone have any suggestions on the battle company as far as list composition or ways to cut the point cost? - I know you can run them bare bones at 1850.

[Nabterayl]

If you don't like assault squads, does anybody know what the lore is on company Land Speeders and bikes? In a normal codex company, Land Speeders are piloted either by the tactical marines of the 7th company or the assault marines of the battle companies, and bikes ridden by either the tactical marines of the 6th company or the assault marines of the battle companies. After skimming through the codex again, I don't see anything that says the Ravenwing are the exclusive users of Land Speeders and bikes in the Dark Angels. If 3rd Co. follows the normal codex pattern, you could substitute 20 marines on green-painted Land Speeders or bikes for jump troops, and still have a full battle company.

[Falconjab]

Easiest way to save points on the battle company would be to drop all the Razorbacks for Drop Pods (35 points a squad), think about a cheaper heavy weapon (Multi-Melta, if you're drop-podding) for the Tactical Squads, think about a couple Meltaguns instead of Plasma (only one or two, in the Tactical Squads), and drop the Power Fist off the Assault Sergeants in favor of a power weapon (probably power sword, since you have flamers in those squads). I'd also give the Aegis Defense Line a Quad-gun, which would add 15 points. It's just better in all respects. 4 TL shots at S7>1 S9 shot. You definitely need the flakk for anti-air or I'd suggest dropping some points from your Devastator squads.

Also wondering why "Grey Hunters kill Assault Squads" for you. If you hate Assault Squads, that's fine haha. I just can't think of a way you could integrate them into your army list without actually being assault squads. You could put them in a Drop Pod for free, with their packs removed, but other than that you're kinda SOL. As Nabterayl suggested, you could also do some inventive tinkering... but if you can't convince yourself that makes sense within their chapter lore, I would probably stay away from throwing them in bikes/speeders. Although that would be cool and it'd break up the monotony of all the Marines a bit.

And yes, this is a LOT of points. I've always wanted a full company but it's just too much work for me. Good luck to you. It almost definitely won't play competitively, but it should be awesome in Apoc games. There are a lot of ways to bump this list up to 5k, but I'd suggest a few upgrades here and there and another Deathwing squad.

[Whereswaldo]

I am going to keep the Battle Company to fluff standards so every slot is how the codex states.

I dislike assault squads but I am going to keep with the fluff if its going to be at a apoc level. Since they can deep strike I am just going to use them to screen for Deathwing since I would rather have a assault squad tarpitted than a deathwing squad.

The reason I say grey hunters killed assault squads for me is because with assault squads you are paying 215 for 10 guys with CCW's, 2 special weapons, power fist, and a rhino (or jump packs) with grey hunters you pay 220 for 10 guys with CCW's, Bolters, two special weapons, wolf standard, mark of the wulfen (comparable to the power fist with assault squads), and a rhino. So with grey hunters your pretty much getting tactical & assault marines for the same price - with counter-assault. Assault troops just have jump pack mobility on their side, which I really don't care too much for.

I personally prefer the Icarus over the Quad on the ADL - I am also thinking about raising the devastators to 10 man squads for more durability, and at apoc point lvl why not - and throwing a random marine on the ADL and having the sergeant signum him would be nice.

I want to keep the MSU razorback in as much as possible, mainly because I could work it into a stand alone army at lower point levels and still have it for apoc.

I may swap 3 of the tactical squads to full 10 mans with flamer (or melta gun) & multi-melta and put them in drop pods (or rhinos) instead of combat squads in razorbacks. I orginally went with the MSU razorback spam so I would have a mass of lascannons for apoc (razorbacks are paper thin but the 6 msu lascannon squads backfield could put a hurt on armor) - my only concern is about putting too much into deep striking and having my army spread too thin across the board with half mech'd up and half deep striked / podded.

I think if I reinforce the devastators and move some of the tacticals to drop pods that should free up enough points to add in some heavy support options or deathwing units (3 dreads is nothing to balk at).

I've got the deathwing army up and running and a third of the battle company - I really just think it would be awesome to be able to field a full codex dark angels battle company .... just need to try to find a way to make it more competitive.

[Chexmix282]

You can easily fit a Battle Company into a 2k army list; I play with it quite frequently! It's not a "true" Battle Company unless it's 100 marines ;)

This is what I take:

Librarian
Command Squad w/ Banner of Devastation
4x full Tactical Squad w/ Flamer & Missile Launcher
2x full Tactical Squad w/ Meltagun & Multi-Melta
2x full Assault Squad w/ Power Axe & 2 Flamers
2x full Devastator Squad w/ 4 Missile Launchers

This runs almost exactly 2k (don't have the points costs memrozied quite yet). You can cut the Power Axes and Flamers to upgrade the Librarian to a Captain, although you really are just sacrificing effectiveness at that point. This list is a ton of fun to field, and with the Banner of Devastation puts out a ridiculous number of bolter shots!

Anyway, on to your list - as mentioned above, the easiest and most effective way to cut points would be the transports. They are completely unecessary, and will simply clog your lanes of fire. Not having vehicles means you get to take full advantage of the Banner of Devastation.

[Whereswaldo]

Dark Angel’s 3rd Company

Company Commander (Power Sword, Lion’s Roar) – 125
Company Command Squad (4 Dark Angel Veterans, Apothecary, Banner of Devastation) – 180

Tactical Squad (1 Sergeant with Bolter, 9 Space Marines, Meltagun, Multi-Melta) – 160
Tactical Squad (1 Sergeant with Bolter, 9 Space Marines, Meltagun, Multi-Melta) – 160
Tactical Squad (1 Sergeant with Bolter, 9 Space Marines, Meltagun, Multi-Melta) – 160
Tactical Squad (1 Sergeant with Bolter, 9 Space Marines, Flamer, Missile Launcher) – 160
Tactical Squad (1 Sergeant with Bolter, 9 Space Marines, Flamer, Missile Launcher) – 160
Tactical Squad (1 Sergeant with Bolter, 9 Space Marines, Flamer, Missile Launcher) – 160

Devastator Squad (1 Sergeant with Bolter 9 Space Marines, 4 Missile Launchers) – 200
Devastator Squad (1 Sergeant with Bolter 9 Space Marines, 4 Missile Launchers) – 200

Assault Squad (1 Sergeant with Power Sword, 2 Flamers, Jump Packs) – 195
Assault Squad (1 Sergeant with Power Sword, 2 Flamers, Jump Packs) – 195

= 2055

Threw it together and that is what its looking like. I'm using the Dark Vengeance Company Commander model for this so thats why he has a power sword and lion's roar (combi-plasma). I would like to get it under 2k points .... i'm thinking cut the power swords off the assault squads and theres 30 points bringing it down to 2025.

This version takes away all of the threats to fliers that I had from the first list but .... it is 100+ marines on the ground.

Any other thoughts on what to cut to get it under 2k?

Apothecary, Banner, and Battle Company Strength need to stay in the list.

[Falconjab]

Any other thoughts on what to cut to get it under 2k?

Apothecary, Banner, and Battle Company Strength need to stay in the list.

Make the Company Commander a Librarian and you're good to go. Anything else and you're neutering every squad. To shave off 55 points, you'd need to lose most of your upgrades.