GW Cambridge reduced gaming night hours (and whether all GW stores will follow suit)

[RGilbert26]

On Sunday i was watching the Beasts of War Saturday video and they had a discussion about a 'letter' they had recieved regarding the Cambridge Games Workshop store reducing their gaming night hours and certain restrictions being applied. At the moment it is not clear whether this is due to the new Manager or an order by Games Workshop HQ, as apparently the Manager says it's orders from HQ and HQ says up to the store Manager. Today a former employee of the Cambridge store posted on my local club's Facebook page stating that the store now only has two 4x4 tables, gaming night is restricted to 6pm-8pm and you can only play the current boxed games on them plus no painting tables.

My local store Manager is currently back home in Norway for holiday and so i dont know what will happen when he returns, should be interesting to see what happens on Thursday when all the regulars turn up for their usual Thursday night gaming.

Has anyone else encountered this in other stores?
Anyone been to Cambridge GW since the change?

Thoughts as well? :)

[spaceman91]

the Reading store is doing the same. Some of it is down to the manager.

[Psychosplodge]

One I used to frequent banned specialist games for a while, don't know if they ever started them again.

[RGilbert26]

Specialist games haven't been allowed for years, only the bigger stores allowed them (to some degree).

Im talking specifically about GW removing the playing aspect from it's stores from vets/regulars who would go to the gaming night every week and play. There are those of us who can't play at home or go to clubs and so playing at GW stores is the only way we can play the hobby.

[DrLove42]

Ours is closed 2 days a week now.

And Vets night doesn't exist anymore, theres now campaign and tutorials during the late night.

And i don't trust anything from Beasts of War. Those guys are so heavily anti-GW sometime

[Mr Mystery]

Sunday evenings are my time in store. Just need to book one of the two available tables.

I could join a club, but restrictive working hours are restrictive, and if I'm honest, I don't gel terribly well with some of the local members. What I can do is extract the proverbial and crack on painting my realm of battle! Then my chosen chums can come round for a game.

[Caitsidhe]

I am merely waiting for the other shoe to drop. All the things we have been seeing over the last year are typical in companies that have manipulated their stock prices (often runs hand in hand with someone like a CEO who leaves) and are actually not doing near as well as they claim. Reduction in overheard, spread out through entire business, is used to prop up stock either with fake "increases" or maintain steady level. This allows the people at the top (who do have inside information) to sell stocks while the getting is good.

While the symptoms we have been seeing aren't ALWAYS associated with this string of events, it is a common enough situation to make me wonder. :) One could speculate that Games Workshop paid too much for its Lord of the Rings options, going somewhat out on a limb for it. Projected returns might not be as good as hoped. Likewise an increase in viable competition has changed the landscape and Games Workshop has been rather reluctant to admit to this change or take steps to adapt to it. In short, they would rather slash overhead than admit to the requirement of a new business model.

[RGilbert26]

Guys i think some of you are missing the point of this thread which i'll state again.

Has anyone else noticed their local GW gaming nights being heavily restricted?

Im already aware that gaming on Saturdays is gone and that some if not all bigger stores now shut on Monday and Tuesdays.

[Mr Mystery]

Hours aren't any more restricted, but they have lost a table. Size depends on what you've booked. All games in store are encouraged to be part of the current campaign, which only makes sense if you ask me.

Catsidhe.... How did you go from 'has your local store reduced gaming access' to insinuating GW are attempt to manipulate their stock value? I mean that's a logic leap of prodiguous proportions.

[Caitsidhe]

Guys i think some of you are missing the point of this thread which i'll state again. Has anyone else noticed their gaming nights being heavily restricted?

No. Your "rights" aren't affected at all since you can always play somewhere else. What is being restricted (curtailed) is the service and amenities which Games Workshop provides. It pays to be accurate in the description of things. I think it is poor service and sales planning on the part of Games Workshop, but it in no way affects your so-called "rights."


Im already aware that gaming on Saturdays is gone and that some if not all bigger stores now shut on Monday and Tuesdays.

Stop buying from them. If you are concerned or upset about this (and I can understand why), stop giving Games Workshop ANY direct money. That is the only vote you get. It is the only thing they "might" listen to if enough people do it. If you feel that you aren't getting any games because accessibility is reduced, why would you buy their product? At the very least get it from someone else and pay less. :D

[Mr Mystery]

He said nights dude, not rights!

[Caitsidhe]

Catsidhe.... How did you go from 'has your local store reduced gaming access' to insinuating GW are attempt to manipulate their stock value? I mean that's a logic leap of prodiguous proportions.

Actually, it isn't much of a leap at all. If we were talking about a single store, I would agree with you. We are talking about reduction in hours, tables, and days across the entire company. It coordinates with the departure (unexpected) of a CEO. It coincides with interesting stock prices which seem impervious to larger economic conditions. As it happens, most niche luxury items are NOT immune to recession. Like I said before, I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop. :)

[Caitsidhe]

He said nights dude, not rights!

<laughs> Sorry... need reading glasses and/or more caffeine.

[Mr Mystery]

Actually, it isn't much of a leap at all. If we were talking about a single store, I would agree with you. We are talking about reduction in hours, tables, and days across the entire company. It coordinates with the departure (unexpected) of a CEO. It coincides with interesting stock prices which seem impervious to larger economic conditions. As it happens, most niche luxury items are NOT immune to recession. Like I said before, I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop. :)

Majority of shares are owned by pension companies, rather than speculators. CEO went because the job he was hired for is now seemingly complete (restructured the company, and before the recession too, which helps). Consistency across the company is a good thing, and indeed part of the restructuring.

Think you're being more than a little paranoid there matey.

[RGilbert26]

Urgh i hate a conversation moving quickly, nevermind nothing going on in this post.

EDIT:

One thing to point out, i hate people who spout crap about their supposed 'rights'. So if you see anything along those lines i suggest re-reading it :P

[Psychosplodge]

Catsidhe.... How did you go from 'has your local store reduced gaming access' to insinuating GW are attempt to manipulate their stock value? I mean that's a logic leap of prodiguous proportions.

I can see where he's coming from, I've seen it in other companies when they have large investment groups buying big chunks of them.
But do we have to have this conversation again? *head desk*

[Caitsidhe]

Majority of shares are owned by pension companies, rather than speculators. CEO went because the job he was hired for is now seemingly complete (restructured the company, and before the recession too, which helps). Consistency across the company is a good thing, and indeed part of the restructuring.

Think you're being more than a little paranoid there matey.

Time will tell.

[OrksOrksOrks]

The same guy who wrote the letter to Beasts of War also made a massive post about it on several forums, and it seems like it was he himself who was told he couldn't just hang out there anymore, its one paranoid grognard whose making this huge fuss over the fact that he's a fat entitled loser who no one likes, having people like him in the shop puts new people off, so he was asked to go play games with friends rather than try and get pick up games in a shop, he's gone ape **** about it because he hasn't got any friends.

[CiaphasCaine]

tell us how you really feel Ork

[RGilbert26]

Hmm in that case I'm thinking not much is actually going on, lol.

[OrksOrksOrks]

Its one of the problems on the internet, one lone guy can make something look like a much bigger issue than it really is, he's obviously a weirdo obsessive, he ranted at the new manager, ranted at customer services and is now ranting at the internet in most of the forums he can find.

[Wolfshade]

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[Mr Mystery]

Linkage?

[Wolfshade]

Linkage?

Fixed?

[Mr Mystery]

No no no.

Want to see all these rants. They sound like a laugh.

[addamsfamily36]

On the subject of changes in store, i have noticed the same at my local (which i shall not mention at this time).

I believe the manager had a visit from their area manager and now there are several new "rules" in place. Gaming night has reduced by an hour (which isn't too bad but does restrict those who work during the week) and apparently we have to book painting slots, and only for things that we need help with. I.e guidance on a technique.

We haven't spoken to our Manager yet, but we plan too as he is also part of our Outside of GW group. However if things are enforced, then im Afraid GW may have lost a customer. Now it might sound like im throwing my toys out the pram, but I have been a Customer of GW since i was 8. I'm now 24 so thats 16 years of my custom. In that time, prices have risen 3 fold, bad mangers have come and gone (one so bad that they were fired because the store lost all of its customers for a while, i was away thankfully during this time), sales and offers have dissapeared and countless other things that seem to alienate the "veteran" gamer.

Now i paint instore because quite frankly, I enjoy a bit of the social aspect and the lighting is good. I bring all my own paints, my own glue etc, hell i'd even bring my own water if i had to. In my many years i have helped out with painting store miniatures, gamesday boards, and even given the odd piece of advice/tutorial to new gamers and hobbyists in passing conversation. One guy recently went from painting individual models to painting whole armies, and hes one of the best painters ive seen and he's being doing the hobby less that a year. If these new rules are enforced and people like myself and him for example are forced out the door then Good luck GW will be my motto. I'll shop elsewhere. As this would be the final nail in the coffin, as im tiring of being a loyal customer with no return.

[spaceman91]

What addamsfamily said is exactly like my store. Almost to the letter. I don't know if he's from Reading but this is how the "vets" are feeling here. It used to be so kl in the store. We could chill and paint in big groups and just suck in the hobby. I miss it. I don't think it helps GW to be like this but i don't think its the "end" of GW as dome seem to be making out.

[Mr Mystery]

Simple answer? Start your own club.

Only hard bit is finding a venue, but in this climate many pubs will be happy to rent out a function room, ditto church halls and scout huts.

The community is what we make it.

[spaceman91]

Start your own club.

i would but there is one all ready. Its just at a bad place for me. All will be solved when i get a car.

[Mr Mystery]

Can still start your own.

Plus, realm of battle or build your own, home gaming is ace.

[MarneusCalgar]

Here in Madrid, Spain, they´re closing the 4 stores we have and relocating them into smaller stores and one man stores... no play boards, no painting classes, only direct sales

[RGilbert26]

I have no problem with painting stations being reserved for beginners only as i dont use them and to be honest it does prevent people from hanging around chatting (which i agree with GW, shouldnt really happen, it isnt a social club). However i do have an issue with reduced gaming time. Ours is 4pm - 7:30pm which allows 4 players to get two 2 hour games played 4-6pm and another 4 players get two 1 1/2 hour games played. Any reduction and id have to reconsider going to my local and spending money there.

[RGilbert26]

OrksOrksOrks - do you have a link, I'd love to see this guy's posts :)

[OrksOrksOrks]

GW is a shop, its not a place for grown men to hang out, you don't realise it, but a lot of the "veterans" actually put new people of starting, I've seen cool looking people looking at the models, interested and then take one look at the losers hanging out in the shop and run away, or even worse, get approached by a smelly hambeast who lectures them on the merits of Space Wolves over other Space Marines.

Don't have any links though sorry, I am at work and some sites don't work on our ancient version of Internet Explorer, I saw him post of Warseer and Something Awfuls 40K thread at least, and somewhere else, can't remeber now.

[Caitsidhe]

GW is a shop, its not a place for grown men to hang out, you don't realise it, but a lot of the "veterans" actually put new people of starting, I've seen cool looking people looking at the models, interested and then take one look at the losers hanging out in the shop and run away, or even worse, get approached by a smelly hambeast who lectures them on the merits of Space Wolves over other Space Marines.

All I can say is that your "community" or lack thereof across the water must be very different than here in the States. I used to think it would be nice to go play over there, but not anymore. You sound like a particularly unfriendly lot. Over here the people who play at the stores (and by that I mean the various game stores not the worthless GW locations) are friendly and account for most of the recruitment of new players. They see us playing and come ask us about the game.

[Psychosplodge]

The unfriendliness increases as you travel south, by the time you reach Cambridge you don't speak to people you don't know or make eye contact...

[OrksOrksOrks]

All I can say is that your "community" or lack thereof across the water must be very different than here in the States. I used to think it would be nice to go play over there, but not anymore. You sound like a particularly unfriendly lot. Over here the people who play at the stores (and by that I mean the various game stores not the worthless GW locations) are friendly and account for most of the recruitment of new players. They see us playing and come ask us about the game.


This is exactly what i mean, smelly warhams don't seem to realise that they're smelly warhams, you think you're being friendly and inclusive but actually it just puts people off

[addamsfamily36]

This is exactly what i mean, smelly warhams don't seem to realise that they're smelly warhams, you think you're being friendly and inclusive but actually it just puts people off

Thats extremely presumptuous. Not all veteran gamers are smelly, know it all rub it in your faces types. At our local we have recently had a surge in new players, two-three of which hang out with what i would call "the core" group outside of gamesworkshop as well. We are an accepting bunch, and don't intimidate new people. far from it. Yes there will always be the sort that are off putting, but often they are unliked by all, and you shouldn't punish the majority due to a select few.

And towards you other post about GW not being a place for grown men to "hang out". I think you miss part of the enjoyment of the hobby. Wargaming has a social aspect. people share stories, techniques, ideas. It's what makes it fun. If it was turn up smash my opponent to bits then leave it would kill all/any of the fun (for me and many others at least), This would also have a discouraging effect on beginners and younger players as they also enjoy the social aspect, and just playing "the game" isn't exactly that fun for a lot of younger players (who often make the rules up as they go, and good on them). Yes Gamesworkshop is a shop but they are also hobby centres. They are called this by GW themselves. Not everyone has the means or the money to have the same set up that there is in-store. The reason veteran customers remain loyal, is because of these perks, and the social aspect. Some gaming clubs can become stale due to lack of "new" people. GW stores bring an ever changing dimension. The perks of painting instore are also why i am willing to pay above prices for their products. If this changes. Then i have no problems shopping elsewhere and saving money or dropping their products entirely.

[Caitsidhe]

This is exactly what i mean, smelly warhams don't seem to realise that they're smelly warhams, you think you're being friendly and inclusive but actually it just puts people off

Charming. They should use you for sales. I'm not sure what part of them coming over to ask us about the game makes you think we are putting people off. Moreover, you will have to explain how being friendly and inclusive puts people off. Is that a cultural difference between you and I? :) Over here, whether you are talking about games or sports or just hanging out for drinks... being friendly and inclusive is seen as a good thing. Should I remember to be unfriendly and exclusive when I visit so I can fit in?

[Psychosplodge]

As I said before Caitsidhe, literally the further south you go the less you interact with people you don't know.

[Caitsidhe]

As I said before Caitsidhe, literally the further south you go the less you interact with people you don't know.

That is a rather odd dynamic. I'll cling to the notion though as I'd rather not think of OrksOrksOrks as the poster-child for your gaming community.

[addamsfamily36]

I'm from the South. It's all good. we are friendly

[OrksOrksOrks]

Thats extremely presumptuous. Not all veteran gamers are smelly, know it all rub it in your faces types. At our local we have recently had a surge in new players, two-three of which hang out with what i would call "the core" group outside of gamesworkshop as well. We are an accepting bunch, and don't intimidate new people. far from it. Yes there will always be the sort that are off putting, but often they are unliked by all, and you shouldn't punish the majority due to a select few.

And towards you other post about GW not being a place for grown men to "hang out". I think you miss part of the enjoyment of the hobby. Wargaming has a social aspect. people share stories, techniques, ideas. It's what makes it fun. If it was turn up smash my opponent to bits then leave it would kill all/any of the fun (for me and many others at least), This would also have a discouraging effect on beginners and younger players as they also enjoy the social aspect, and just playing "the game" isn't exactly that fun for a lot of younger players (who often make the rules up as they go, and good on them). Yes Gamesworkshop is a shop but they are also hobby centres. They are called this by GW themselves. Not everyone has the means or the money to have the same set up that there is in-store. The reason veteran customers remain loyal, is because of these perks, and the social aspect. Some gaming clubs can become stale due to lack of "new" people. GW stores bring an ever changing dimension. The perks of painting instore are also why i am willing to pay above prices for their products. If this changes. Then i have no problems shopping elsewhere and saving money or dropping their products entirely.


Games Workshop has always wanted to focus on getting more people into the hobby, after that, you spend less money and they're a business, so they don't want you taking up space. If you haven't got the space at home for a 6*4 table, then there is usually a club in your area, and if GW isn't letting people play their once they're established, there will always be new people. Hopefully they will put the boards back up that they used to have that would advertise local gaming and hobby groups, almost essential really if they want to keep the community, otherwise new people won't join.

I honestly think GW don't care if you want to buy your stuff online once you're established, its probably just asmuch profit for them once you factor in overheads like staffing and the size of the shop needed to accomadte the smelly ham beasts who buy a box every 6 months but want to play every week and paint in there.

If you're an adult, you should have enough friends and common sense to be able to find or create somewhere to play. A church hall, a pub, hell, rent some industrial space between friends, a few hundred quid a month would get you a massive space to set up your own club.

[Psychosplodge]

I'm from the South. It's all good. we are friendly
There are exceptions to every rule:D



If you're an adult, you should have enough friends and common sense to be able to find or create somewhere to play. A church hall, a pub, hell, rent some industrial space between friends, a few hundred quid a month would get you a massive space to set up your own club.

Our small unit costs £9k a year plus about 50% again in associated costs....you'd need a fair few of you.

[OrksOrksOrks]

That is a rather odd dynamic. I'll cling to the notion though as I'd rather not think of OrksOrksOrks as the poster-child for your gaming community.

Honestly, I hate 90% of all the people in this hobby because you're the worst kind of ***-burger smelly nerds and its those people that put normal guys and girls off the game, so I make no apologies, I've see tons of "nice guys" hanging out in hobby shops around the country and they're all terrible and make me embarrased to be seen in there.

[Caitsidhe]

Honestly, I hate 90% of all the people in this hobby because you're the worst kind of ***-burger smelly nerds and its those people that put normal guys and girls off the game, so I make no apologies, I've see tons of "nice guys" hanging out in hobby shops around the country and they're all terrible and make me embarrased to be seen in there.

Heh. So nine out of every ten people who play the game with you or meet you should assume this is what you think of them. You must be a joy to play the game with too.

[OrksOrksOrks]

Heh. So nine out of every ten people who play the game with you or meet you should assume this is what you think of them. You must be a joy to play the game with too.

God no, I don't play with them, why would I, I have my own group of friends who are into the hobby, all actual people who don't wear leather trenchcoats or fedoras, with jobs and girlfriends.

[Mr Mystery]

Just going to weigh in with a view, which is not to be taken as gospel, just an opinion.

2009/2010 I worked for GW in store, and there was a shift to only having people in store who were partaking in the hobby. Having also worked for them 2001-2003(ish. Bit hazy) this seemed pretty radical. Old philsophy was 'busy store attracts people'. Which is true enough. New philosophy was 'busy store full of people actively doing hobby attracts people and shows us off in the best possible light'.

And let's face, those of us who have been around a bit (me? 25 years this year, if anyone's at all interested :) ) don't really need store support. I can paint just fine, model very well, convert competently, and hardly need a helping hand at gaming. That's Noob stuff. And precisely why the stores are being aimed solely at the Noob. It makes financial sense!

[Psychosplodge]

God no, I don't play with them, why would I, I have my own group of friends who are into the hobby, all actual people who don't wear leather trenchcoats or fedoras, with jobs and girlfriends.

Having a leather coat and a job/girlfriend aren't mutually exclusive...

[Wolfshade]

Having a leather coat and a job/girlfriend aren't mutually exclusive...

Ssh don't tell my friends and their wives/girl/boy friends

[Psychosplodge]

Which should I give up? The coat or the job or the girlfriend?

[Caitsidhe]

God no, I don't play with them, why would I, I have my own group of friends who are into the hobby, all actual people who don't wear leather trenchcoats or fedoras, with jobs and girlfriends.

Pretty much all the people in our local gaming sites have girlfriends/wives, jobs, and still manage to be friendly and inclusive while playing at a public place, meeting new people, and tossing games to new players who are interested in getting into the hobby. While I suspect some must own leather coats and perhaps even the odd fedora, I'm not sure why it is relevant. :)

However, if I am to understand your posts going back to your entrance into the discussion...

1. You don't hangout out or play at shops.
2. You don't like any of the people besides your personal friends whom you play.
3. Since you don't like these "other" people you want to see them all kicked out of the shops so you don't have to look at them.

What a truly wonderful human being you represent. It is a great loss to "other" 90% of the hobby that they do not get to bathe in your personage. Perhaps if they had that honor, the coolness radiating from you in pulsing, warm waves would transform them into real people like yourself. :)

[Wolfshade]

Which should I give up? The coat or the job or the girlfriend?

From the sound of it, the job.

[Psychosplodge]

From the sound of it, the job.

It'd certainly help the stress levels.

[Wolfshade]

It'd certainly help the stress levels.

Plus you need to coat to keep you warm, and the gf to keep you as you become unemployed!

[alshrive]

Just going to weigh in with a view, which is not to be taken as gospel, just an opinion.

2009/2010 I worked for GW in store, and there was a shift to only having people in store who were partaking in the hobby.

I too worked for GW at this time and there was definitely a huge policy change, it would quite possibly be the biggest turning point in how GW viewed it's "regulars". It only wanted hobbying people, the amount of extras who would come down on gaming nights etc just to socialise was, to be honest, a nightmare and completely unnecessary and I think GW has made the right call in it's move. After all, we kind of need them to rear the next generation of opponents.... [as a side note I also own a leather coat, a wife and a job- ok i don't own the wife, that one is the other way round!]

[Psychosplodge]

Plus you need to coat to keep you warm, and the gf to keep you as you become unemployed!

lol she wunt be much cop at that.

[OrksOrksOrks]

What a truly wonderful human being you represent. It is a great loss to "other" 90% of the hobby that they do not get to bathe in your personage. Perhaps if they had that honor, the coolness radiating from you in pulsing, warm waves would transform them into real people like yourself. :)

I'd be happier if they bathed in anything.

And yeah, I'm happy for them to be kicked out of the shops, the shops are there to sell minis and to help new people into the hobby. Anything else, thats for your home or gaming club.

[Caitsidhe]

I'd be happier if they bathed in anything.

And yeah, I'm happy for them to be kicked out of the shops, the shops are there to sell minis and to help new people into the hobby. Anything else, thats for your home or gaming club.

The world is just very different on your side of the Atlantic. Over here Games Workshop stores do not break even, do not bring new people into the hobby, and are for the most part empty shops with ever reducing hours. The various game stores (which have embraced the notion of providing game tables, hosting events, and making themselves both stores and gathering points) do a brisk business and regularly seem to expand all the hobbies under their roof.

I suspect the Games Workshop stores do so poorly here because they are setup and based around whatever business model is applied in the United Kingdom, i.e. the exact opposite of what Americans expect from their "hobby centers."

[nomcruise]

The world is just very different on your side of the Atlantic. Over here Games Workshop stores do not break even, do not bring new people into the hobby, and are for the most part empty shops with ever reducing hours. The various game stores (which have embraced the notion of providing game tables, hosting events, and making themselves both stores and gathering points) do a brisk business and regularly seem to expand all the hobbies under their roof.

I suspect the Games Workshop stores do so poorly here because they are setup and based around whatever business model is applied in the United Kingdom, i.e. the exact opposite of what Americans expect from their "hobby centers."

Ive got to give it to you, you're a detective and an economist and a forum warrior and an ambassador for the game and the most entitled piece of trash I've seen on these boards lately. From the inane drivel that you posted about independent retailers introducing people to the hobby or GW games, I'm going to assume you work for an IR or are one of the wierdos that hasn't bought a model since you picked up a box of Night Runners 3 years ago to make your entire Mordheim warband. How many IR's run intro activities, provide painting advice for free, [/i]free[/i] hobby space/gaming space? Very few. Most of the shops I've been into on the eastern seaboard are either run and populated by creepy neckbeards or are even more profit-motivated than the GW hobby centers. Frankly, I can deal with the staff at GW shops being open about the fact that I need to buy something or work on a model or GTFO. It keeps people like the creepy dude with the greasy hair from bending my ear for 20 minutes about how he isn't playing 40k anymore til Tau get redone and how I should play Infinity when all I want to do is buy paints or glue or the new plastic 'Jack kit and leave. This strange idea that somehow IR's provide a better environment for people to learn a game or learn to be a productive member of the wargaming community is pretty rich coming from someone who earlier in this thread let his entitlement show through a little too clearly with the line about not wanting to give GW money directly.

I guess they shouldn't operate like a for-profit business. Toy soldiers aren't a luxury, guys. Seriously, all this looking a gift horse in the mouth and complaining about the reduced hours that are available for a [/i]free[/i] service is sickening.

[archimbald]

and apparently we have to book painting slots, and only for things that we need help with. I.e guidance on a technique.



same in belfast, although the it normally revolves around them trying to use as many different paints as possible and then sell them to you at the end.

also, another thing that i noticed was the staff becoming less and less friendly, over the past 6 months, all but one of the original staff have left, two to become managers and the manager left GW, now wither its the fact that its a new location or the people, but i have been in it once in the past month, last Tuesday, to order something, simply because if i go in, most don't seem to care about anything except selling stuff. eg, walking in the Tuesday after the DA dex was released automatically meant that i was buying one, with it nearly put through the check out and all before i realised what was happening

[Mr Mystery]

Shop staff selling things to customers?

Whatever next? Happy Dogs wagging their tails? Bacon for Breakfast?

It's a world gone topsy turvy for sure!

Edited for spelling....

[Wildeybeast]

Shop staff selling things to customers?

Whatever next? Happy Dogs wagging their tales? Bacon for Breakfast?

It's a world gone topsy turvy for sure!

Bacon is for every meal, not just for breakfast.

[Daemonette666]

Pretty much all the people in our local gaming sites have girlfriends/wives, jobs, and still manage to be friendly and inclusive while playing at a public place, meeting new people, and tossing games to new players who are interested in getting into the hobby. While I suspect some must own leather coats and perhaps even the odd fedora, I'm not sure why it is relevant. :)

However, if I am to understand your posts going back to your entrance into the discussion...

1. You don't hangout out or play at shops.
2. You don't like any of the people besides your personal friends whom you play.
3. Since you don't like these "other" people you want to see them all kicked out of the shops so you don't have to look at them.

What a truly wonderful human being you represent. It is a great loss to "other" 90% of the hobby that they do not get to bathe in your personage. Perhaps if they had that honor, the coolness radiating from you in pulsing, warm waves would transform them into real people like yourself. :)

The good news is that OrksOrksOrks does not have to go to a gaming store or specific gaming store like a GW, OrksOrksOrks can order everything online and have it delivered to either his obviously (because he can spend hundreds of dollars a month on renting gaming halls) well paid job/work place, and then the other 90 - 99% of the gaming community will not have to put up with him.

The rest of us can go to our favourite gaming stores that have food, gaming tables, tables for role playing, board games, and card games as well as a nice big store selling all their associated games and gaming accessories. I would never want to play against OrksOrksOrks myself and thankfully he does not sound like he/she (nothing in your profile about male of female, in fact not much in your profile at all) lives near me.

I like to socialise and have the challenge of meeting new wargamers who try new tactics, new armies and new games so I do not get bored with the same old - same old. I do not wear leather jackets, or a Fedora, but I do have a Girl friend who is only interested in Warhammer Invasion, and almost never comes to the store unless they are playing that game. I have a good job at the moment, and shower regularly and even use deodorant.

I have also not been going into GW stores playing games or buying stuff for a long time, but I have found a better gaming store that provides me with the social stimulus/interaction and gaming tables I need, and I can even get my wargaming miniatures, books and supplies from there. Because GW cut down on gaming tables and have changed the way they run their stores, I have been going elsewhere, and they have not been getting any sales at their shop from me. I have even been spending less on 40K (on purpose) because of the prices and the ease of " this is a Mutilator for this battle", and more on other gaming systems.

[archimbald]

Shop staff selling things to customers?

Whatever next? Happy Dogs wagging their tails? Bacon for Breakfast?

It's a world gone topsy turvy for sure!

Edited for spelling....



yeah i know and find your humor appreciative, but my point, i now realise was unclear, is that it has become a store that i am now more unwilling to go into and spend money in because i know they don't overly give a crap, much less try try to make small talk about their gaming systems, except to try and force you to buy new stuff. it would be like going to a restaurant you've visited for years,know and have the odd bit of banter with the staff, just to find that the friendly banter is gone, and in its place is a restaurant that simply keeps trying to feed you more and more courses without your explicit consent before attempting to charge you for something you didnt want or accept.

hopefully this makes more sense.


as for dogs, everyone loves a happy dog :D

[Psychosplodge]

as for dogs, everyone loves a happy dog :D

No they don't.

[Mr Mystery]

yeah i know and find your humor appreciative, but my point, i now realise was unclear, is that it has become a store that i am now more unwilling to go into and spend money in because i know they don't overly give a crap, much less try try to make small talk about their gaming systems, except to try and force you to buy new stuff. it would be like going to a restaurant you've visited for years,know and have the odd bit of banter with the staff, just to find that the friendly banter is gone, and in its place is a restaurant that simply keeps trying to feed you more and more courses without your explicit consent before attempting to charge you for something you didnt want or accept.

hopefully this makes more sense.


as for dogs, everyone loves a happy dog :D

Again they're doing what you expect from sales staff. Want to learn how to paint better, and it's going to involve brushes and paints. It makes sense to then sell these to the customer.

When I worked for GW last (quite likely the last time, I have a very satisfying career now!) I took a kid through how to paint the flames on his Legion of the Damned. As we went through, working up from the old foundation red (name escapes me, and yes I know it results in upside down flames!) to Skull White, the paints were laid out in order on the painting station, so he could see which ones he had, and where he might have gaps in his pallette. Net result? His Mum came in to collect him, and spent about £30 odd on new brushes and paints. Next time I saw the kid, his Legion of the Damned were fully painted, and looked pretty decent!

Can this go over board? Of course. When they're trying to sell you a pigment purely for mixing stage I'd say perhaps the lesson is a little too in depth.

[spaceman91]

Went into GW Reading today. I have been told that the gaming area will be walled up ( yes walled ). So from the 3rd no gaming in store. The manager told me that it bring nothing to the store. I feel this is a little shot in the foot. I think that because none of the gaming clubs offer under 18s, So now where will they go to play. At home i hear you shout but if any are like me they dont live anywhere near any of my gamer friends.

[Caitsidhe]

Went into GW Reading today. I have been told that the gaming area will be walled up ( yes walled ). So from the 3rd no gaming in store. The manager told me that it bring nothing to the store. I feel this is a little shot in the foot. I think that because none of the gaming clubs offer under 18s, So now where will they go to play. At home i hear you shout but if any are like me they dont live anywhere near any of my gamer friends.

I often think that Games Workshop goes to Edmund Blackadder for advice. Said sage gives them very sarcastic advice which is clearly the opposite of what they should do. Somehow they miss the sarcasm and simply do it. :) Games "Baldric" Workshop.

[spaceman91]

Just read through my last post now that im sober. Sorry that its not the best english.

[Psychosplodge]

Just read through my last post now that im sober. Sorry that its not the best english.

Well you are in the London commuter belt, are you French? ^_^

[spaceman91]

We,we. No im not. I just used 50% of my french just there. My french teacher in school was spanish so we very rarely understood what she was saying. No offence intended to anyone .

[alshrive]

No they don't.

Backstepping slightly, but Hot Dogs make me happy!

[Psychosplodge]

Backstepping slightly, but Hot Dogs make me happy!

With a proper sausage or one of those pseudohotdogs?