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iamian
02-03-2013, 12:46 PM
OK. in the DA codex is states that one terminator may carry a standard. then it states that one terminator may replace all his weapons with a halberd and be a champion.

can they be the same model?

If so, the champion/standard bearer can benefit from Look out sir if I am not mistaken, giving the standard some more longevity, potentially.
Capitano
02-03-2013, 01:53 PM
You can do this of course but when you upgrade to the champion that standard you just paid for is now replaced with a Halberd...

as it states replace all his weapons with a halberd...thus loosing the standard...
Nabterayl
02-03-2013, 02:54 PM
OK. in the DA codex is states that one terminator may carry a standard. then it states that one terminator may replace all his weapons with a halberd and be a champion.

can they be the same model?
Yes, as I read the codex. Capitano's read would require a standard to be a weapon, and "banners and standards" are clearly listed outside the weapons section - nor do they fit the usual definition of "weapon."


If so, the champion/standard bearer can benefit from Look out sir if I am not mistaken, giving the standard some more longevity, potentially.
Correct.
FortheEmperor!
02-08-2013, 12:50 AM
My interpretation is this. The unit entry has three types of models: DW Terminators, DW Apothecary. DW Champion. All three are different due to equipment and the DW Champion has a different stat-line. I think once he is upgraded to a Champion, he is no longer eligible to carry the banner, and indeed, how could he since the Halberd is listed as Two-Handed? Could you give him the banner first (so he is still a DW Terminator) and THEN upgrade him. I guess so, but that smacks of a loophole and I think it is shameful. I don't think it is intended for the Champion (whose job is killing) to be toting a banner too. With that being said, if you want to do it and we are playing against each other, I would be just fine with it. It is, after all, just a game intended for fun and I don't think that one item is going to tip the balance of fun, fair play!