One for EG...

[Mr Mystery]

Literally about to start work, so will cut and run!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21033708

Hawkeye Initiative also sounds cool!

[eldargal]

Hawkeye Initiative (http://thehawkeyeinitiative.com/) is great (though I feel a bit sorry for Hawkeye), though in some cases I think peopel can be a bit overzealous, often picking on poses which are feminine rather than sexualised. Highlighting a characters femininity is only bad if you equate feminine with weak, which is not something I approve of.

Fortunately this isn't a big concern in comics...
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/britt1st/hawkeye_initiative.jpg
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mejgo7G9OL1qhotijo1_r1_1280.jpg
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mejql5aTCN1rmx3kqo1_1280.jpg

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

What am I looking at here.... O_O

[eldargal]

Read the article and find out.:p

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I did, I still don't get it.

This anti-misogyny stuff is weird...

[eldargal]

Not really, it's just that we've put up with it for a long time and this past year there seems to be a lot more people saying 'enough!' and making a fuss.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Doesn't really seem to be going anywhere...

Why pick on Hawkeye? He won't have an impact.

Clearly, women do not know how to revolt. You have to target the big cheeses, like Batman, or Deadpool.

[eldargal]

Hawkeye is there to highlight how ridiculous the poses are, not because of who is. The only reason he was chosen, if I recall, was because he shared a similar 'agile action hereo' role with Black Widow in the Avengers and she had some quite sexualised poses.

Also making the news and being responded to by people in the industry is getting somewhere.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Are you saying that neither Deadpool nor Batman are agile? SEXIST. :p

Well, if you don't keep the flame going, it will burn out.


I suppose that misogyny is a foreign concept to me, because I view everyone as my equal. /Communist

[eldargal]

Missing the point, this all started with some of the film posters for the Avengers and both Hawkeye and Black Widow had a similar agile/flexible approach to combat yet Black Widow was put in some very sexualised poses and it just seemed to strike people as very unfair. So people started drawing other male superheros in the poses of female superheroes (and vice versa).

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

*sigh*

Cordis Die.

[eldargal]

It's also worth noting that in attempts to get poses that show both the breasts and bottom of the female they put them in poses that would break their spine.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I....... clearly do not understand, or want to understand, this subject. So I am staying out of any further action.

Just, please don't drag it to the topical boards. :p

[Psychosplodge]

lol what do you mean you can't see chest and arse at once?
they do it all the time in comics...

[Deadlift]

I don't see the problem, the films and comics have plenty of eye candy for the women. There's chesticles, left right and centre. But of course it's all about the poses ?
Either way it just smarts of nerds complaining and hating, which we know they do best.

[Psychosplodge]

It might be a complaint too far considering the contents of things like cosmo and it's ilk.

Still funny though, especially the hawkeye initiative the article links to.

[eldargal]

I don't see the problem, the films and comics have plenty of eye candy for the women. There's chesticles, left right and centre. But of course it's all about the poses ?
Either way it just smarts of nerds complaining and hating, which we know they do best.

But the men are idealised to conform to the male ideal of masculinity, being all rippling muscle and thighs you can crack coconuts with. The issue is, so are the women. All DD-E cups with tiny waists and tinier costumes (ok, not all, thankfully, but most). The men are never in poses which women find attractive, they are always in poses that make them look badass while the women are in poses to show off their assets.


It might be a complaint too far considering the contents of things like cosmo and it's ilk.

Still funny though, especially the hawkeye initiative the article links to.

Not to someone who has to put up with this stuff her whole life it isn't. Women are seen as nothing more than eye candy and while it might not be noticeable to you because you don't get treated that way it is very frustrating and upsetting to us. Comic books and video games are one area where we should be able to see strong female characters (given the whole 'superhero' thing) yet even the female characters are mostly treated as a second glass even though many of the female lead comics sell better than the male leads.

[Psychosplodge]

Fair enough, the publications I mentioned are ridiculous, but don't really affect my daily life. If you feel that the comics do impact on your's you're bound to have a stronger opinion on it...

[Deadlift]

Sorry EG, don't see the fuss. I just don't see the problem with sexy female superheroes who also kick ***. I do think Marvel are at least trying to move with the times with the introduction of gay heroes and the like.

[Rev. Tiberius Jackhammer]

Sorry EG, don't see the fuss. I just don't see the problem with sexy female superheroes who also kick ***. I do think Marvel are at least trying to move with the times with the introduction of gay heroes and the like.The two biggest things in play, IMO, are that;

A) The rippling chesticles aren't put in place as an appeal to female sexual fantasies, but male power fantasies. I've yet to meet a women who finds that level of jackedness attractive, although I've heard plenty about the Orlando Blooms/Johnny Depps/David Tennants!

B) I don't think the existence of over-sexualized female figures is the issue, the issue is how ridiculously common those figures are. It's pretty damn overwhelming!

Edit: Say, imagine if the vast majority of male characters all wore banana-hammocks which perfectly outlined their tonker. In every scene, their waist is twisted so it's visible to the reader. Whenever they move, they attempt to move in such a way that it jiggles as much as possible. And that this was near the only depiction of men throughout the genre of comics/comic derivative materials.

[eldargal]

Marvel are actually doing much better than DC (I don't claim to be an expert, I'm very new to comics but I've been reading a lot about it) in fact one of the new X-Men titles just announced has an entirely female lineup with one of their best writers.

Well one of the issues is that they kick arse in absolutely ridiculous costumes The male costumes may be skin tight but they don't have bustiers, cleavage and stomach windows as de rigeur. Take Supergirl and Superman, their costumes are made out of indestructible materials for a bit of extra protection yet Supergirls is just a leotard while S'man's covers is whole body 'cept his head. Then there is the cliche of the female hero nearly always having the zipper on her top undone to just above her navel.

[Psychosplodge]

Then there is the cliche of the female hero nearly always having the zipper on her top undone to just above her navel.

That just sounds really practical :D

[Mr Mystery]

Marvel are actually doing much better than DC (I don't claim to be an expert, I'm very new to comics but I've been reading a lot about it) in fact one of the new X-Men titles just announced has an entirely female lineup with one of their best writers.

Well one of the issues is that they kick arse in absolutely ridiculous costumes The male costumes may be skin tight but they don't have bustiers, cleavage and stomach windows as de rigeur. Take Supergirl and Superman, their costumes are made out of indestructible materials for a bit of extra protection yet Supergirls is just a leotard while S'man's covers is whole body 'cept his head. Then there is the cliche of the female hero nearly always having the zipper on her top undone to just above her navel.

Marvel are doing much better than DC on account Marvel don't have sucky one dimensional characters.

Plus Marvel generally have much better storylines, art and all that stuff.

Sadly, Marvel does have DerpDevil, who is a gimp.

[eldargal]

I've found it harder get into Marvel actually, though I grant they have a long history of decent female characters that aren't all dressed like wh*res. Bought some Black Widow comics after the avengers and it was downright confusing (she's pregnant in WW2 and then no older sixty years on with no explanation, what?). Still, looking forward to this:
http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/underwire/2013/01/xmen2013001_dc11-3_4_r536_c534.jpeg

However:
http://static03.mediaite.com/themarysue/uploads/2013/01/Screen-shot-2013-01-15-at-4.34.55-PM.png
http://static03.mediaite.com/themarysue/uploads/2013/01/Screen-shot-2013-01-15-at-4.35.51-PM.png

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

It does work both ways. For equality to matter you have to pay attention to us too.

Also EG, if you're a petitioner for equality, I have a challenge for you. :p

[eldargal]

Y'all get plenty of attention.:p Also I'm the attentionee not the attentioner...

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

No I don't. :p

[Denzark]

It's also worth noting that in attempts to get poses that show both the breasts and bottom of the female they put them in poses that would break their spine.

No, this is possible, as I illustrate...

http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy257/denzark/girlz.jpg

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

The BEST drawing that I have ever seen. Well done bro.

[Rev. Tiberius Jackhammer]

Giving Rob Liefeld a run for his money!

[DarkLink]

http://www.shortpacked.com/2012/comic/book-14/08-reader-mail-week-three/sexybatmanddr/ (need to read this comic, too: http://itswalky.tumblr.com/post/13623571633/anyway-enough-porn-back-to-gender-issues)

[Deadlift]

How about Super Gran

She used to wear a wooly hat and fingerless gloves :) no way was she ever sexy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Gran

[Psychosplodge]

Shortpacked is kinda awesome...

[Denzark]

The BEST drawing that I have ever seen. Well done bro.

Cheers old Horse but no need for Hirst or Emin to worry, I'm not giving up the day job just yet...

[Wildeybeast]

Marvel are actually doing much better than DC (I don't claim to be an expert, I'm very new to comics but I've been reading a lot about it) in fact one of the new X-Men titles just announced has an entirely female lineup with one of their best writers.

Well one of the issues is that they kick arse in absolutely ridiculous costumes The male costumes may be skin tight but they don't have bustiers, cleavage and stomach windows as de rigeur. Take Supergirl and Superman, their costumes are made out of indestructible materials for a bit of extra protection yet Supergirls is just a leotard while S'man's covers is whole body 'cept his head. Then there is the cliche of the female hero nearly always having the zipper on her top undone to just above her navel.

Superman wears his pants outside his clothes. He has without doubt the dumbest superhero costume in the world. Except for this guy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LonSdeXR0s).

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Cheers old Horse but no need for Hirst or Emin to worry, I'm not giving up the day job just yet...

But you are just so good at it!

[Godless Zealot]

I can certainly see womens point of view on this. Even to me as a male oversexualisation in comics/videogames etc becomes tiresome and is even a little insulting towards us. I don't feel as a man a constant need to see womanly bits and if some do I'm sure the internet has something to offer them. So lets keep it out of our favourite media. Sure nothing wrong with having beautiful and graceful women portrayed but the crux is finding that balance between being feminine, beautiful yet strong without coming across as whoreish. Despite it's prevalence I do believe (and hope) this depiction of women is starting to fade out.

With the rise in popularity, especially with young women, of video games and comics etc and other facets of geek culture this will have an impact on how it is marketed. I think some changes are already happening. Take Tomb Raider for example, remember the old Lara Croft? Overly big busted wasp bodied and impractically dressed? Compare that to the new reboot, she is still pretty and in good shape sure but realistically proportioned and dressed appropriately. The artwork at least that I've seen is a much better depiction and presents a more ideal role model for young women. She can be a badass, perform great feats of athleticism and strength, can be charming and witty but doesn't have to look or act like a 'slut'. For me this a great step in the right direction and should be a sign for the future. Womens emancipation is still fairly new historically and society is still shifting from the changing roles of women. It's a fairly slow gradual process but I think attitudes will change. As a new generation moves in to replace the old we can hopefully see these changes take place. Perhaps even rather than being a den of misogyny and loathe for womankind videogames, film and comics can help spearhead a new ideal for the portrayal of female characters. Perhaps that's a tad idealistic but I can hope. :)

[Deadlift]

I think the reason it's never been an issue for me is because honestly, I stopped noticing. The worlds of marvel, dc and co have never reflected real life to me. As such it just doesn't compute in my head that all the "women" kind of fit a certain body type. Depends on the artist too though, She Hulk whilst being kind of sexy can be portrayed as quite bulky too. Isn't quite true of the men either, not all are fine specimens, Hank McCoy aka Beast is blue and furry. The Thing isn't a sex machine either and has a fair amount of junk in his trunk.
It's all just fantasy and although a little realism in the story's goes some way the likes of Marvel and DC also want to keep their core customers happy. That's Teenage lads.
If your going to complain about the comics then we should be looking at other media too, the Mass Effect Series as an example is just as guilty at portraying heroines as a certain body type than any comic book.
But if you insist then there is always "Big Bertha" from Marvel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bertha_(comics)

Myself, when I do notice, well Ms Marvel aka Warbird is hard not to like.

[Wildeybeast]

But if you insist then there is always "Big Bertha" from Marvel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bertha_(comics)

She vomits herself thin??? Is that some sort of clever cultural comment or just grossly stupid and insensitive?

[Cap'nSmurfs]

I do love these male-superheroes-in-poses-the-women-are-forced-into things.

And the thing is, you can totally draw attractive women kicking *** without completely over-the-top sexualising them with costumes, poses, and so on. And yes, it's a problem in most media - subjecting female characters to something called "male gaze" (that is, portraying women as something to be witnessed from a man's perspective: highlighting sexual characteristics especially). Mass Effect's obsession with Miranda Lawson's backside is really galling, especially when previously they'd scored a lot of points giving you the option to play a kickass heroine in believable (and feminine, but not sexualised) space marine armour. There's just no reason to go full T&A, which unfortunately many comics do.

And yes, it's fantasy and make believe and pixie dust and so on: but all those fake things create a real, actually existing culture which often hurts real women. It's worth thinking about how this works, at the very least.

There's an extensive debate ongoing about this at the moment, though, which is healthy.

[Deadlift]

She vomits herself thin??? Is that some sort of clever cultural comment or just grossly stupid and insensitive?

It's such a small part of her story mate, if you did a bit more research you would also know Deadpool has the hots for her, but only in her superhero guise, as Big Bertha.
I guess I'm not politically correct enough for this thread. Suits me just fine. :)

[Wildeybeast]

I read that bit in her Wikipedia entry too. It just struck me as odd that they have this character who seems to be an attempt to make a sensible cultural comment and then they seem to shoot themselves in the foot with that bit. I'm not trying to criticise or get on my high horse, it just seems really dumb given their are loads of other ways she could lose the weight. That's why I asked if there was something more to it than what comes across in that entry.

[Anggul]

So what we've learned is that most of the guys who write and draw comics over-sexualise female characters to appeal to an (extremely stereotyped) undersexed and desperate fanbase.

This is my pet hate in all forms of fiction, be it comics, miniatures, video games or whatever... but is everyone really only just noticing it?

Yes, they draw sexy pictures of female characters because for some reason some guys need it in their fiction when they could just find it on the internet. Personally I think it ruins whatever it's in, (metal bikini armour is one of the worst things ever to happen to fantasy games), but that won't stop the idiots drawing it and the idiots enjoying it for no apparent reason.

[scadugenga]

The only thing I'll point out about B. Widow is that she also uses her sexuality as a weapon.

Hawkeye doesn't.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

With the rise in popularity, especially with young women, of video games and comics etc and other facets of geek culture this will have an impact on how it is marketed. I think some changes are already happening. Take Tomb Raider for example, remember the old Lara Croft? Overly big busted wasp bodied and impractically dressed? Compare that to the new reboot, she is still pretty and in good shape sure but realistically proportioned and dressed appropriately. The artwork at least that I've seen is a much better depiction and presents a more ideal role model for young women.

That maybe wasn't the best example of a non-sexist argument... What with the fact that the new Lara Croft nearly gets raped...

[eldargal]

Nicely done Denzark.:p All you need to do is print it, dunk it in urine and give it a huigely pretentious story and you really will be the equal of Emin or Hirst. The issue with the comics is the view is often from above, meaning their spines have to be so curved that they must have snapped.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvk8rsh4eC1qkinreo1_500.png
From one of DarkLinks links.

[Denzark]

http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy257/denzark/dg_herointh.jpg

?

[eldargal]

Not the worst I've seen.

[Rev. Tiberius Jackhammer]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1070346/40_medium.gif'dat spineeee

[eldargal]

Urgh, awful, like:
http://www.themarysue.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/jvpqb-357x550.jpg
http://static03.mediaite.com/themarysue/uploads/2012/06/tumblr_m5h3h1G9E41qbujox-357x550.jpg
http://static03.mediaite.com/themarysue/uploads/2012/06/597050406-412x550.jpg

[Brakkart]

Heh reading through this thread reminded me of this strip from Super Stupor, which is written and drawn by Randy Milholland, who is best known for his comic strip Something Positive:

http://www.superstupor.com/sust01252012.png

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

How garish.

[Kirsten]

I love David Gemmell.

[Godless Zealot]

That maybe wasn't the best example of a non-sexist argument... What with the fact that the new Lara Croft nearly gets raped...

I had a feeling someone would bring this up. :rolleyes: What we're discussing is the oversexualised portrayal of women in entertainment mediums, mainly comics but I don't read them so I'm opting for videogames as they commit the same offences. My point was that in this reboot Laras look and style is an improvement over what has come before. Now regarding the 'rape scene' of which is actually an implied event as no such scene occurs in the game at all. Rape is a very real and serious threat, I have no qualms with games or comics for that matter dealing with such situations as long as they are done right. Again I believe the game handles this respectably. While captured there is an implied threat from a couple of guys, the end result? Lara deals with situation by kicking butt and the guys get their comeuppance. There is no depiction of sexual violence or degradation of women in the scene at all. :)

[scadugenga]

I love David Gemmell.

The man definitely knew how to tell a good story...

[Deadlift]

I love David Gemmell.

Agree, Druss was a fantastic character. Though all his adventures, but especially as an old (fart) seasoned warrior.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

What you said

There is however, still the implication.

[Psychosplodge]

Like this (http://www.duelinganalogs.com/comic/nude-raider/)?

http://cdn.duelinganalogs.com/comics/2005-11-29.png

[eldargal]

I had a feeling someone would bring this up. :rolleyes: What we're discussing is the oversexualised portrayal of women in entertainment mediums, mainly comics but I don't read them so I'm opting for videogames as they commit the same offences. My point was that in this reboot Laras look and style is an improvement over what has come before. Now regarding the 'rape scene' of which is actually an implied event as no such scene occurs in the game at all. Rape is a very real and serious threat, I have no qualms with games or comics for that matter dealing with such situations as long as they are done right. Again I believe the game handles this respectably. While captured there is an implied threat from a couple of guys, the end result? Lara deals with situation by kicking butt and the guys get their comeuppance. There is no depiction of sexual violence or degradation of women in the scene at all. :)

I actually agree. Rape is a very difficult subject to do right, it often comes off as gratuitous. From what I saw of the Tomb Raider trailer it was handled quite well. I mean any woman stuck on an island at the mercy of mercnaries and criminals is going to face that sort of thing. The issue isn't that you shouldn't include rape as a narrative device but you should only do so if you are going to do it well. In this instance it was the threat and implication of rape not the actual event. This will probably be the first Tomb Raider I actually buy since the first one.

I just hope they get the archaeology aspects right instead of just depicting her as a destructive looter.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

It'll play like Far Cry mixed with Assassin's Creed.

[eldargal]

Could be worse, it could play solely like Assassins Creed.:p Serioulsy Ubisoft, lern2portbetter. To be fair Brotherhood and Ezio Does Istanbul were better.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Oh dear.

Assassin's Creed 3 was awesome, but you must just suck at games.

You know that Far Cry is also Ubisoft right? :D

[eldargal]

Nope, not played it. Haven't played AC3 either. Still think the series is somewhat over-rated.

[Fizzybubela]

nope, not played it. Haven't played ac3 either. Still think the series is somewhat over-rated.
Heresy!!!! The only over-rated game series is Call of Duty!

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I like the games that I like, and care not for the opinions of others. :p

For example, I love Call of Duty, I also love Viva Pinata. :p

[Fizzybubela]

Even though I think Call of Duty is over-rated I still want to get it solely to play with my friends. It just doesn't have enough tanks or vehicles for my liking which is why I want to get Battlefield 3.

[Rev. Tiberius Jackhammer]

CoD's waaaaay too colourless for me, I can barely distinguish players from background ;o; Kinda why I like Halo, I'm shooting a bright purple dude with a gun that fires pink crystal chandeliers.

Favorite series has to be Metroid Prime. So sad they took the franchise away from Retro and gave it to Ninja Theory whom shat out Other M.

[Deadlift]

Hmm favourite game series. Well I liked the newer Zelda games, but Ocarana of Time was my favourite. Final fantasy 7 was awesome and I don't think anyone can deny that Resident Evil when it 1st came deserved its hype.
More recently I really enjoyed both Fallout 3 and New Vegas, I think Space Marine multiplayer was fun enough too. Skyrim I can't fault and although I struggled to get into it once I did the Mass Effect series was really good. Dragon age 1 and 2 I liked we'll enough, the Forza Driving games especially online are awesome too.

Best multiplayer game of all time though, that's easy Golden Eye on the N64.

[Wildeybeast]

I just hope they get the archaeology aspects right instead of just depicting her as a destructive looter.

But that's the fun archaeology. Otherwise it's years of research, painstaking excavation, brushing dust off with toothbrushes, careful preservation etc etc. BORING! Give me booby trapped tombs and obsessed ****s over 'proper history' any day.

Edit: Stupid bloody filter.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

Forthcoming DLC will see Lara sit in her college room poring over a big stack of grey literature archaeological reports from some rain-sodden corner of east anglia. Then she has to to write up a paper of her own and try to get it published, while avoiding her supervisor in fear he's going to tell her she was looking at the wrong thing anyway.

...oh, sorry, started projecting there!

[eldargal]

But that's the fun archaeology. Otherwise it's years of research, painstaking excavation, brushing dust off with toothbrushes, careful preservation etc etc. BORING! Give me booby trapped tombs and obsessed ****s over 'proper history' any day.

Edit: Stupid bloody filter.

Well I don't mean have her on excavations, but at least have her show some rudimentary knowledge of archaeology. Even Indiana Jones did that whereas I don't recall Lara Croft displaying any kind of knowledge of archaeological principles. Given the darker and more serious theme the reboot seems to have going for it I think they will do a decent job of it.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

My favourite series of games is without a doubt, THE ELDER SCROLLS.

Screw everything else, no video game has immersed me quite so thickly into the storyline than the Elder Scrolls. I love the lore.

[Godless Zealot]

I actually agree. Rape is a very difficult subject to do right, it often comes off as gratuitous. From what I saw of the Tomb Raider trailer it was handled quite well. I mean any woman stuck on an island at the mercy of mercnaries and criminals is going to face that sort of thing. The issue isn't that you shouldn't include rape as a narrative device but you should only do so if you are going to do it well. In this instance it was the threat and implication of rape not the actual event. This will probably be the first Tomb Raider I actually buy since the first one.

Yup, that's what I was driving at. The issue is not with themes themselves it's the presentation of such themes.

Well may as well join in the derailment and chat about my fave video games. Interesting how I join a forum to learn more about 40k and spend as much time down here chatting about games! Loved Final Fantasy VII (and even VIII) best childhood gaming memories there along with Sonic and Metal Gear Solid. Might sound a bit heretical but I never owned a Nintendo console. Much to the chagrin of my mates who say I seriously missed out on Zelda and Metroid etc. Current gen obvious is the Mass Effect series and the Dead Space series. I played the hell out of Oblivion and Fallout 3. However I must of burned myself out as when it came to play their respective sequels Skyrim and New Vegas I just couldn't get into them. With the exception of Battlefield 3 I'm not a big fan of PvP multiplayer but I do enjoy my co-op games with friends, Gears of War, Ghost Recon, Halo series etc all stellar experiences for co-op! Plus very much looking forward to Dead Space 3 co-op too despite what the naysayers might think!

[eldargal]

I've only played Skyrim, might buy Oblivion on Steam at some point though. I really loved it, though it had some oddities too.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

The Elder Scrolls has always been a quirky game. :p

Read up on CHIM and the Godhead Theory. Then watch your mind explode.

[Fizzybubela]

My favourite series of games is without a doubt, THE ELDER SCROLLS.

Screw everything else, no video game has immersed me quite so thickly into the storyline than the Elder Scrolls. I love the lore.
So's mine!!!! :D

[Psychosplodge]

Battlefield and COD are like kiddies versions of Planetside two the scale is unbelievable till you've played it.
Assassins creed is very repetitive. Oblivion was ok, but the oblivion gates got boring. What I've played of Skyrim has been good but not got it myself yet. Still like the original Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter nights games. The fallout series is good, and I still think they could make a good Inquisitor RPG with the engine... Enjoyed the 2d sonic games but it went down hill once they went 3d, and they're still no Super mario world. The Total war franchise always delivers. Civ 2, colonisation, and Alpha centuari were amazing back in the day. Along with Syndicate, and the original Deus ex. And the greatest football game ever is still sensible soccer.
But TF2 is still the game I go back to, just needs more hats.

[Wildeybeast]

Well I don't mean have her on excavations, but at least have her show some rudimentary knowledge of archaeology. Even Indiana Jones did that whereas I don't recall Lara Croft displaying any kind of knowledge of archaeological principles. Given the darker and more serious theme the reboot seems to have going for it I think they will do a decent job of it.
I'd imagine there isn't much call for displaying even rudimentary archaeological skills when fighting a T-Rex.

[Godless Zealot]

Of course, how could I forget not mentioning Deus Ex? I've always been behind on PC tech but also forgot to mention my love for Strategy games too. Command and Conquer series (the early ones), original Starcraft, played a few of the earlier Total War games namely Medieval and Shogun originals. Plus, of course, the very game that drove me into ending up in a place like this Dawn of War. Also have a soft spot for point and click adventures like the Monkey Island series, Grim Fandango, Nightlong and the rather superb BladeRunner game. (Oh Westwood how I miss you). Would love to try Planetside 2 too! Looks pretty amazing!

[Psychosplodge]

Rome: Total war is by far the best, certainly my most replayed. If you like point and click adventures you need to find Simon the Sorcerer.

[Godless Zealot]

As much as I enjoyed those games at the time I can't get into retro gaming as it were. I find it difficult to go back and play even games I loved as kid as they just don't feel right anymore. I'm sure Simon the Sorcerer was great in it's day not sure I could bring myself to play through it now. I'm still deciding about getting into PC gaming primarily at the moment so possibly will just wait for Rome Total War 2.

[Psychosplodge]

That's not forced to have the same quality, though am looking forward to it.

It' point and click the gameplay's never changed lol. yeah the graphics are a bit 8-bit but still...

[Godless Zealot]

That's not forced to have the same quality, though am looking forward to it.

That's true but hopefully should still be good.


It' point and click the gameplay's never changed lol. yeah the graphics are a bit 8-bit but still...

I know it shouldn't really make a difference but I don't know I just seem to be bad at going back and playing old games....

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Battlefield and COD are like kiddies versions of Planetside two the scale is unbelievable till you've played it.
Assassins creed is very repetitive. Oblivion was ok, but the oblivion gates got boring. What I've played of Skyrim has been good but not got it myself yet. Still like the original Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter nights games. The fallout series is good, and I still think they could make a good Inquisitor RPG with the engine... Enjoyed the 2d sonic games but it went down hill once they went 3d, and they're still no Super mario world. The Total war franchise always delivers. Civ 2, colonisation, and Alpha centuari were amazing back in the day. Along with Syndicate, and the original Deus ex. And the greatest football game ever is still sensible soccer.
But TF2 is still the game I go back to, just needs more hats.

Hipster.....

[Psychosplodge]

Yes Planetside two very hipster :p

If it was hipster gaming we'd be talking pacman, pong and dizzy...

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

2D Sonic?

Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 were a couple of the best games that I have played.

[Psychosplodge]

sonic one - three and sonic&knuckles was what sonic was about.

[Godless Zealot]

sonic one - three and sonic&knuckles was what sonic was about.

Agreed, that's my childhood right there. :)