Now you can buy female Space Marines

[eldargal]

From Meow Meow Miniatures (http://www.meowmeowminis.com/Galactic_Chevaliers/cat1646482_1511160.aspx).

Glee:

Full kits:
http://img.fw1.biz/origin/178025/gcbig.jpg

Torsos (the first compatible with GW parts, the rest require conversion work to get them on the legs)
http://img.fw1.biz/origin/178025/sc009.jpg
http://img.fw1.biz/origin/178025/sc005.jpg
http://img.fw1.biz/origin/178025/sc004.jpg

[eldargal]

Heads:
http://img.fw1.biz/origin/178025/sc010big.jpg
http://img.fw1.biz/origin/178025/sc002big.jpg

Legs:
http://img.fw1.biz/origin/178025/sc008.jpg
http://img.fw1.biz/origin/178025/sc006.jpg

[DrLove42]

LMAO

Those heads are appauling, particularly the top row.

Also why are they all squatting, like they're having a dump?

The torsos seem really wonky and poorly done as well

[Wolfshade]

On the other hand at least they don't have the standard enormous chests.

[eldargal]

LMAO

Those heads are appauling, particularly the top row.

Also why are they all squatting, like they're having a dump?

The torsos seem really wonky and poorly done as well
The heads are rather average, as are the legs. I wouldn't say apalling, more like GW standard females from 1995. :rolleyes:Really the only bits I fancy buying myself are the torsos

[wittdooley]

Ridiculous. Get those breasts away from my Space Marines. :D

[Daemonette666]

I have bought some of these for my own 2nd Legion project I am working on - Daughters of Helena (WIP).

The character pack had a mis-cast foot on it, but I intend to put a cybernetic replacement to fix that up. Most of the Legs and some of the torsos had a bit of flash on them, but they were very easily trimmed, and the detail on them is very good. They are also in scal with standard GW space Marines.

If you want scout torsos for your force, I am looking to get some of the Khadesh Female torsos from Zealot miniatures. Mind you they look like the models for the armour had size Double D implants when they got their black carapace.

http://www.zealotminiatures.co.uk/#!__zealot-store/kadesh-female-bodies

[Cap'nSmurfs]

This just makes me want new Sisters of Battle.

[eldargal]

This just makes me want new Sisters of Battle.
Me too. But I'm conversion kits make FSM armies more common and hopefully people will document the ensuing nerd rage for my amusement.:rolleyes:

[Cap'nSmurfs]

Fair point!

[Kawauso]

LMAO

Those heads are appauling, particularly the top row.

Also why are they all squatting, like they're having a dump?

The torsos seem really wonky and poorly done as well

Okay, I have to ask:
What is it with people saying that legs like these and the ones on tactical marines look like they're squatting to take a dump?

I have never seen anyone try to take a dump while standing like that. Ever.

Anyway, as far as the sculpts go; not bad. I could see myself picking some up to convert for IQ henchmen or something along those lines.

[OrksOrksOrks]

Okay, I have to ask:
What is it with people saying that legs like these and the ones on tactical marines look like they're squatting to take a dump?

I have never seen anyone try to take a dump while standing like that. Ever.

Anyway, as far as the sculpts go; not bad. I could see myself picking some up to convert for IQ henchmen or something along those lines.


How many people have you watched taking a dump standing up exactly?

Anyway, the legs are ok, bad poses, but they're sleak and there is a lot of movement, which is a plus, the heads are hideous for 2012 though and the bodies are pretty terrible too, and how huge must their breasts me if they're THAT visable under a massive few inches of armour.

[alshrive]

How many people have you watched taking a dump standing up exactly?
you have clearly never walked through Nottingham at 1am.....

[Caitsidhe]

On the other hand at least they don't have the standard enormous chests.

Actually, they do. If the Power Armor (which is not form fitting like a uniform) actually has to be altered to provide for breasts, the women in there must be cloned Space Marines of large proportions. Someone in power armor (like someone in American Football pads) would have their gender blurred and unknowable unless (of course) they had their helmet off. Anyone could say the people in their power armor are women. A distinct model was never required for "female" space marines. Clearly the gene-seed used to clone these female space marines came from women of Laura Croft proportions.

[Kawauso]

I believe we've been over this before in these forums...

Armour made to actually fit and protect the female body -would have to be- feminine-looking. Football or modern (or medieval) body armour is made for men. It does not adequately protect female users and can be quite uncomfortable for them.

Add some exaggeration for heroic proportioning (as we have in 40k) and yes, the armour should have feminine curves like that. It has nothing to do with being form-fitting; if it's going to properly support and protect all areas adequately, it will be apparent that the wearer of the armour is female, even from a distance.

[OrksOrksOrks]

I believe we've been over this before in these forums...

Armour made to actually fit and protect the female body -would have to be- feminine-looking. Football or modern (or medieval) body armour is made for men. It does not adequately protect female users and can be quite uncomfortable for them.

Add some exaggeration for heroic proportioning (as we have in 40k) and yes, the armour should have feminine curves like that. It has nothing to do with being form-fitting; if it's going to properly support and protect all areas adequately, it will be apparent that the wearer of the armour is female, even from a distance.


This argument happens everytime someone mentions female Space marines, but the thing it, armour like that, with breast cups, would channel bullets and hand weapons toward the less armoured and vulnerable neck and stomach, it wouldn't be a good idea

[Caitsidhe]

I believe we've been over this before in these forums...

Armour made to actually fit and protect the female body -would have to be- feminine-looking. Football or modern (or medieval) body armour is made for men. It does not adequately protect female users and can be quite uncomfortable for them.

Add some exaggeration for heroic proportioning (as we have in 40k) and yes, the armour should have feminine curves like that. It has nothing to do with being form-fitting; if it's going to properly support and protect all areas adequately, it will be apparent that the wearer of the armour is female, even from a distance.

If you say so. It should be noted that even normal Army and Marine troops here in the U.S. are indistinguishable from their male counterparts in full gear and body armor as are female cops in Riot Gear. :D Oddly enough, they are properly protected without visible curves for breasts. I'm not sure why you think power armor would require them.

[imperialpower]

The head scuplts are butch and horrid but the torso sculpts are quite good and if I wanted a marine army I could see myself getting some of these, as for the sculpts having breast curves on them been unrealistic since when was 40K factual? Although given the roman theme some Space marines have it is only like ancient armour having pecs and stomach muscles sculpted on them in my opinion.

[YorkNecromancer]

Sculpts here are faily amateur; the helmeted heads are awful. However, I quite like the bare heads, and the scout torsos are good. Might get some.


Armour made to actually fit and protect the female body -would have to be- feminine-looking. Football or modern (or medieval) body armour is made for men. It does not adequately protect female users and can be quite uncomfortable for them.

Incorrect - while you are very correct when you say that female body armour does need to accomodate women, it doesn't look "feminine". These are the latest versions of US ballistic armour specifically for women; looks exactly like the men's, despite the internal breastplate modifications.

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Army-Tests-Female-Body-Armor_Mark-Humphrey_AP_3-620x412.jpg
http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Army-Tests-Female-Body-Armor_Mark-Humphrey_AP_4-465x620.jpg

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/09/19/the-armys-latest-body-armor-innovation-is-for-female-soldiers/

[Denzark]

If she's a paratrooper I'm the Pope. BTW EG, those Sisters of Battle models aren't very ornate, are they?

[TheSnake]

Those helmets are so "Phantom of the Paradise". In a way it's quite cool :cool:

[Wolfshade]

Actually, they do. If the Power Armor (which is not form fitting like a uniform) actually has to be altered to provide for breasts, the women in there must be cloned Space Marines of large proportions. Someone in power armor (like someone in American Football pads) would have their gender blurred and unknowable unless (of course) they had their helmet off. Anyone could say the people in their power armor are women. A distinct model was never required for "female" space marines. Clearly the gene-seed used to clone these female space marines came from women of Laura Croft proportions.

What I was suggesting is that these chests look smaller than some of the other females I have seen, who would need power armour in order to support their back

[wittdooley]

Hey look everyone! Now you too can have your own Brienne of Tarth Space Marine!

[Caitsidhe]

What I was suggesting is that these chests look smaller than some of the other females I have seen, who would need power armour in order to support their back

<laughs> Metal sports bra. What I'm suggesting is EXACTLY that. The very fact you see those customized armor chests indicates those women do have those huge endowments. The fluff doesn't make any mention of a female gene-seed but that doesn't mean there wasn't one. The problem with creating feminized armor is that if someone genetically engineered "warrior women" they would look a lot like men. The Amazons of Greek mythology cut off a breast to be able to shoot better. I expect that female space marines would have been engineered to be pretty much flat. This returns us to not needing breast-shapes on armor. :) This in turn tells us just how HUGELY endowed those female space marine models are in fact. :)

[Kirsten]

it depends on the thickness of the armour and the size of the person. Fencing chest protectors are fairly thin plastic comparatively and are shaped, so to show of course under a fencing jacket. Sisters of Battle armour I can see being shaped and works quite well, it is all quite form fitting, compared to say carapace armour, flak armour, or real life armour, which is more about hanging over the body than shaping to the body. Space marine power armour is of course huge and much thicker and woudn't show curves in my personal opinion.

[Denzark]

<laughs> Metal sports bra. What I'm suggesting is EXACTLY that. The very fact you see those customized armor chests indicates those women do have those huge endowments. The fluff doesn't make any mention of a female gene-seed but that doesn't mean there wasn't one. The problem with creating feminized armor is that if someone genetically engineered "warrior women" they would look a lot like men. The Amazons of Greek mythology cut off a breast to be able to shoot better. I expect that female space marines would have been engineered to be pretty much flat. This returns us to not needing breast-shapes on armor. :) This in turn tells us just how HUGELY endowed those female space marine models are in fact. :)



No Caitsidhe - the admittedly old, but nowhere superceded and thus extant fluff, says zygotes were incompatible with males.

[Caitsidhe]

No Caitsidhe - the admittedly old, but nowhere superceded and thus extant fluff, says zygotes were incompatible with males.

I didn't know that... so no female Space Marines until they suddenly rewrite the fluff. :) We might find out that Draigo parties with the female Space Marines in the Warp where they spend their time drinking wine from daemon skulls.

[Denzark]

I would like to see that.

[Archon]

There they are ... the lost legions ... funny but not necessary and mighty gen-enhanced chests!

[jgebi]

You know female lost legions actually makes a lot of sense for GW to do with more female players joining all the time and well can't see any of the guys complaining to it ;) but they have the sisters of battle... so would they ever do it?

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Must... resist.... urge...

[Denzark]

TDA I understand if you don't go when you need to, you get cystitis (sp?).

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I would prefer to not have that. :p

EDIT: The background purist is twisting inside me, female Space Marines can't happen... It isn't physically (theoretically) possible to be a female Space Marine.

[jgebi]

it is physically possible, look at history to take your cue on this, the amazons are properly the best known so it would stand to reason their would be a legion like them, anyway women have more flexible joints and a smaller frame making them very useful for a lot of things... any way they have female guard regiments

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

But you need a Y chromosome to be implanted with gene seed!

I'm not questioning the martial prowess of women, hell, I've had my fair share of slaps, what I am saying is that a female Space Marine is just not biologically possible in the background.

[jgebi]

WTF MAN the emperor made the god dam marines if he wanted female warriors he would have just changed a few things around and their you go a all female legion. also add to the list smarter because lets face it they are

[YorkNecromancer]

The background purist is twisting inside me, female Space Marines can't happen... It isn't physically (theoretically) possible to be a female Space Marine.

Tell me again about how the Necrons are all soulless monsters, enslaved by the C'tan... Oh wait, there was that retcon that suddenly made the Necrons more than just metal Tyranids, and gave them a unique character and personality all of their own.

How about the Dark Eldar? The fluff there changed mightily, and also for the better. Background purity is only relevant until it isn't. The only question that needs to be asked of any fluff is "Is it awesome?" and female marines would be awesome. They need to make that change and make it now, because you know what - the whole boys' club thing might have been fun in 1987, but it's embarrassing in 2013. Whenever I see someone try to defend it to female gamers, I am reminded of Chris Rock trying to defend rap; he feels he's gotta, but knows in his heart he can't.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Tl;dr.

[Spikey McTorture]

Heads:
http://img.fw1.biz/origin/178025/sc010big.jpg
http://img.fw1.biz/origin/178025/sc002big.jpg


The helmets are an obvious copy of Griffith's (from Berserk) Helmet. 3577

[Emerald Rose Widow]

it would be rather cool to see an amazon themed space marine female legion, would just be neat. I like the idea in general would be really neat. I like this idea but I am not a big fan of the heads. I can see why you would want boobs on it, while it may not be scientifically supportable, this is frelling 40k, get the stick out yer butt, your taking this too seriously. Not a fan of these head sculpts though, they just dont jive for me.

[Necron2.0]

I'll wait until Victoria Lamb puts something up on her website ... if she ever does.

[eldargal]

Sculpts here are faily amateur; the helmeted heads are awful. However, I quite like the bare heads, and the scout torsos are good. Might get some.


Incorrect - while you are very correct when you say that female body armour does need to accomodate women, it doesn't look "feminine". These are the latest versions of US ballistic armour specifically for women; looks exactly like the men's, despite the internal breastplate modifications.

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Army-Tests-Female-Body-Armor_Mark-Humphrey_AP_3-620x412.jpg
http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Army-Tests-Female-Body-Armor_Mark-Humphrey_AP_4-465x620.jpg

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/09/19/the-armys-latest-body-armor-innovation-is-for-female-soldiers/

Pity there aren't pictures to compare them to the old male armour. Regardless they don't look feminine but you can still tell they are female as their narrower shoulders and wider hips are much more obvious. Not to mention it varies depending on the body shape of the woman wearing it, if they have wider hips they flare out more. Also worth nothing is that these are prototypes and the final product may be shaped even more.

Also the old background in Index Astartes had the implants being reliant on male specific hormones, which do not exist, not Y chromosome.

[Rev. Tiberius Jackhammer]

I'd imagine the sculpts look a lot better on tabletop, rather than closeups - a good job considering the resources they have to work with. I'd like to see female marines appear in the fluff, doesn't take anything away. Since most of it's written in-universe, therefore potentially flawed, I think the line about it only being compatible with "male tissues" could be easily written off as "the Imperium's forgotten stuff about human biology".

...still, they're a bit more exaggerated then I'd like. My favorite example of female marines has to be these scouts, made by Silber on B&C (http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?showtopic=169942&st=25&start=25):
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/4339/lar27.jpg
Although the method of "make shoulders less wide, shave codpiece a bit, slightly different head" isn't as good for making a 3rd party model.

[Spikey McTorture]

Sculpts here are faily amateur; the helmeted heads are awful. However, I quite like the bare heads, and the scout torsos are good. Might get some.


Incorrect - while you are very correct when you say that female body armour does need to accomodate women, it doesn't look "feminine". These are the latest versions of US ballistic armour specifically for women; looks exactly like the men's, despite the internal breastplate modifications.

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Army-Tests-Female-Body-Armor_Mark-Humphrey_AP_3-620x412.jpg
http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Army-Tests-Female-Body-Armor_Mark-Humphrey_AP_4-465x620.jpg

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/09/19/the-armys-latest-body-armor-innovation-is-for-female-soldiers/

Just as male space marines grow abnormally large muscles, female space marines grow abnormally large bazongas. The breast plates are therefore necessary to fit them :P. In theory, female space marines would be superior to male ones because you could fit a few extra organs in their breasts.

[OrksOrksOrks]

Just as male space marines grow abnormally large muscles, female space marines grow abnormally large bazongas. The breast plates are therefore necessary to fit them :P. In theory, female space marines would be superior to male ones because you could fit a few extra organs in their breasts.

actually, its likely that is the process of getting massively muscular, the breasts would shrink.

[Purge the Heretic]

But you need a Y chromosome to be implanted with gene seed!

I'm not questioning the martial prowess of women, hell, I've had my fair share of slaps, what I am saying is that a female Space Marine is just not biologically possible in the background.

XY women do exist. http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/93/1/182.abstract

[Dlatrex]

XY women do exist. http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/93/1/182.abstract

You are technically correct: the *best kind* of correct.

That said, it probably does not support the Emperor selecting a group of rare genotypes which typically have developmental issues. But who knows? Maybe zygotes with chromosomal abnormalities are the bread and butter of genetically engineered soldiers! :rolleyes:

[YorkNecromancer]

Tl;dr.

Why do you always complain about the length of my posts? :)

[Sister Rosette Soulknyt]

Seems Meow Meow Minis is closing.
Just saw this on their site:


WE ARE CLOSED

Due to unfortunate circumstances, we will no longer be accepting new orders. The web site shall remain active until all current orders have been filled and shipped. We will not be selling any molds, and the rights to the sculpts remain with the sculptor. We thank you for your patronage, but unfortunately the best decision for our family is to discontinue home-based commercial enterprises and concentrate on maintaining happiness in the home.

- Jacqualine and Jackie

[eldargal]

Well poo.

[Wolfshade]

:(
Though it is good to see that they chose happiniess over commerce...

[White Tiger88]

Burn them. Burn them all.

[Wolfshade]

Burn them. Burn them all.

You know that is my usual go to response for dealing with problems...

[Psychosplodge]

You know that is my usual go to response for dealing with problems...

Fire the solution and cause of all problems

[Wolfshade]

As a "collegue" pointed out, my solution isn't water tight...

[Daemonette666]

Zealot miniatures have a temporary solution. at least until they a;so stop manufacturing their female torsos. 3 torsos - good for female Imperial guard or Space Marine scouts, 3 torsos good for Female Space marines. add them to a set of legs and add pauldrons and a head.

link:

http://www.zealotminiatures.co.uk/#!__zealot-store/kadesh-female-bodies

I know the boobs are still big, but that is the whole point of it. They are funny and at the same time irk your uber- purist marine opponent.

If the link goes to the sites home page, just go to the store under conversion bits and look at Kadesh Female Torsos.

[MajorWesJanson]

You know female lost legions actually makes a lot of sense for GW to do with more female players joining all the time and well can't see any of the guys complaining to it ;) but they have the sisters of battle... so would they ever do it?

I'd rather they did the De treatment for a guard regiment- mix male and female torsoes and heads on the sprue. Female Guard is the next big step, and would only take 3 kits to make a new regiment, say female guard in longcoats, or even better, make Valhallans in plastic, with a mix of male and female parts so you could trade for mono-gender, or make the 597th.

Look at the new Only War book, half the guardsmen in the pictures are really guardswomen, and they look great, feminine but realistic variants on things like Cadian, Catachan, Vostroyan and IIRC Elysian uniforms.

[L192837465]

I like how with all the woman's rights progress we've made, the only way to show female marines is by having huge tits.

That kit is horrible, and in my opinion, exactly NOT what the community needs. Want female marines? Just use the sisters models, which aren't better at all, but at least they LOOK better.

[Kawauso]

I like how with all the woman's rights progress we've made, the only way to show female marines is by having huge tits.

That kit is horrible, and in my opinion, exactly NOT what the community needs. Want female marines? Just use the sisters models, which aren't better at all, but at least they LOOK better.

Not sure where women's rights come up as an issue here, exactly.

The 28mm 'heroic' scale GW uses in their proprietary games is exaggerated.
Look at the Catachans for crying out loud. It's not like this is a one-way street.

But at the end of the day these kits are no longer available. Guess I'll have to stick with Zealot stuff if I ever decide to go after female models for IG/INQ/SM.
It's a shame really, in my opinion. I wish there were at least some female torsos on the IG sprues...

[L192837465]

Not sure where women's rights come up as an issue here, exactly.

The 28mm 'heroic' scale GW uses in their proprietary games is exaggerated.
Look at the Catachans for crying out loud. It's not like this is a one-way street.

But at the end of the day these kits are no longer available. Guess I'll have to stick with Zealot stuff if I ever decide to go after female models for IG/INQ/SM.
It's a shame really, in my opinion. I wish there were at least some female torsos on the IG sprues...

Just GS tits the size of a baneblade on each figure, you'll be heading the right direction.

[AnEnemy]

First: Comparing contemporary ballistic body armor to a far future make believe power armor that's fully enclosed and made out of a super hard material is a fallacy in my opinion.

For one...power armor is not cloth around metal plates. Pretty clear cut in my eyes.

Second: If there were female space marines they would likely have their breasts removed to make room for their black carapace.

[eldargal]

First: Comparing contemporary ballistic body armor to a far future make believe power armor that's fully enclosed and made out of a super hard material is a fallacy in my opinion.

For one...power armor is not cloth around metal plates. Pretty clear cut in my eyes.
It is a fallacy, especially when people used to bring up pictures of women wearing mens armour.


Second: If there were female space marines they would likely have their breasts removed to make room for their black carapace.
That's a ridiculous assumption.

[Wolfshade]

"So you want to be a kick-*** super solider? well first I need to give you a mastectomy."

:eek:

[OrksOrksOrks]

But with all the hormone treatments and gene implants given to the young girl to turn her into a super strong Astartes, she wouldn't develop many womanly traits most likely, if we're looking at the fluff.

But anyway, there are female space marines, they just keep their helmets on because they're sensible, so you can't tell. Same with female IG.

[eldargal]

Well we have no idea how the implants would affect women, I go with the theory that their appearance is hyperfeminised in the same way male Marines are hypermasculinised.:p

Well yes to Marines, that's how I model mine. But not so much with IG, even with a bulky Cadian uniform you get:
http://cdn.gamingangels.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/330px-Miraprofile-219x300.png

Not to mention you can have IG regiments with different uniforms, perhaps one modelled on the WAAC (no, not those WAAC):
http://www.nam.ac.uk/images/online/waacs-war/images/111229.jpg

[Wolfshade]

If we are going down the fluff route then we don't worry about it as women can't become astartes as pointed out in countless threads.

I think that image shows the issue, firstly you see a marginal lift round the breast area to take into account breast tissue. We can assume that as they are trained they are going to be at the height of physicality and so % bodyfat will be low so breast while still there will not be fatty ones. Also, because of this the femine features of the face will accentuated, high cheek bones etc.

So we come back to the age old problem of realistic looking female heads..

Also EG you've changed your avatar

[eldargal]

Don't forget that even athletic women are a different shape to men. The face, as you say, is one of the more obvious points. Even in 28mm scale a helmeted female Cadian would be able to be distinguished from a male. Then you also have smaller shoulders and waist and wider hips which the Cadian uniform would accentuate somewhat.

Yes I have.:cool:

[Psychosplodge]

If we are going down the fluff route then we don't worry about it as women can't become astartes as pointed out in countless threads.

I think that image shows the issue, firstly you see a marginal lift round the breast area to take into account breast tissue. We can assume that as they are trained they are going to be at the height of physicality and so % bodyfat will be low so breast while still there will not be fatty ones. Also, because of this the femine features of the face will accentuated, high cheek bones etc.

So we come back to the age old problem of realistic looking female heads..

Also EG you've changed your avatar

So essentially we come to the same conclusion as normal, @28mm a female cadian looks like a male cadian...

Also, that almost never happens.

[Wolfshade]

Oh you could get them all wearing empire lines squee

[eldargal]

So essentially we come to the same conclusion as normal, @28mm a female cadian looks like a male cadian...
Nope.

[Psychosplodge]

Haven't you argued the opposite before?
While pointing out that female body armour does exist and is differently shaped to male?

[eldargal]

I don't think so? I've never said that at 28mm scale men and women would look the same even in body armour. When people bring up the modern body armour issue I just point out that until recently the female soldiers were wearing armour made to fit men, so it wasn't particularly relevant to hold them up as an example of women looking the same in armour.

[Psychosplodge]

Fair enough.
I was meaning the life size stuff regarding previous discussion, but it must be at least six months since this debate was done...

[Deadlift]

Don't forget that even athletic women are a different shape to men.

Not always true, woman in strength sports and swimming especially can really take on a more masculine physique. Have you seen the Chinese female swimming team ?

As for lady space marines, we don't need them in 40k, we have the Sisters and they are really cool. I like that they are kick *** soldiers of the future but still look feminine, lady marines I think wouldn't be like that.

[eldargal]

They still have smaller waists and wider hips than men though, even if their shoulders are bulked up more. Obviously these are generalisations, you can get woman with very masculine body types. But they are more unusual.

[Wolfshade]

All women should have small waists

[Psychosplodge]

The better to wear corsets?

[Emerald Rose Widow]

The better to wear corsets?

but corsets are so much fun

[White Tiger88]

but corsets are so much fun

And sexy.

[Emerald Rose Widow]

And sexy.

yeah, would love to wear one myself

[White Tiger88]

yeah, would love to wear one myself

Good....gooooood.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Tiger, that's a bit creepy... *shudders*

[Daemonette666]

but corsets are so much fun

They hurt, I have owned 3 of them for different Mardi-Gras (Sydney Australia), and the bone or Stainless steel cuts through the material and then pushes down into your skin. They look nice, but unless your into pain (LOL this coming from someone who loves Slaanesh and uses Daemonette666 as their site name - I know I should be into it, but no I am not) then do not bother unless you can guarantee the corset material will not tear and let the bone or steel supports push through.

Nowadays, I dress for comfort, and like to wear my old army boots that I have worn in, and comfy jeans and a t-shirt. I could never see myself a woman of well 21 again plus a few more years ever trying to dress sexy ever again. I have the body of a woman who works out (which I do in my job as a telecommunications Rigger), and have maintained my fitness level since I was in the Regular Army.

I love the whole idea of having female miniatures with over sized boobs, in armour made to conform to such over sized boobs. I have seen Ork miniatures in power armour being used as counts -as space marines, so why would people throw a stink about females in power armour being used as counts-as space marines. Who knows maybe it is a genetic flaw in the gene coding of some of the latest batch of founding chapters, and some of the chapters have fled from imperial justice, but like the Soul Drinkers, they are still loyal to the Imperium.

I like the idea of my own Legion/ Chapter, the Daughters of Helena (2nd Legion Astartes). The whole universe is Fantasy Sci-fi, so why not have a bit of fun with it, and develop new chapters, colour schemes, etc. As long as you stick to the Codex when designing your army, and have all the miniatures kitted out in the appropriate armour and weapons, there should be not arguments.

I would love to see more armies designed as counts-as using different themes for the army. Imagine what you could do. Adeptus Mechanicus counts-as Space Marines or Grey Knights, Eldar counts as Space Marines/ Grey Knights (Wraith lords used as Dread Knights, etc). Necrons could even be used to count- as other types of armies. As long it is clear - what each miniature is, I would be happy to face off against a nicely painted and converted army.

[eldargal]

Some of the better quality corsets shouldn't do that and I'm told bone does it less than metal. I don't bother with corsets, I can get my waist done to 20" with one and it just looks creepy.


so why would people throw a stink about females in power armour being used as counts-as space marines
Many geeks still believe in cooties and that miniatures can be a potential carrier.:rolleyes:

[Emerald Rose Widow]

They hurt, I have owned 3 of them for different Mardi-Gras (Sydney Australia), and the bone or Stainless steel cuts through the material and then pushes down into your skin. They look nice, but unless your into pain (LOL this coming from someone who loves Slaanesh and uses Daemonette666 as their site name - I know I should be into it, but no I am not) then do not bother unless you can guarantee the corset material will not tear and let the bone or steel supports push through.

Nowadays, I dress for comfort, and like to wear my old army boots that I have worn in, and comfy jeans and a t-shirt. I could never see myself a woman of well 21 again plus a few more years ever trying to dress sexy ever again. I have the body of a woman who works out (which I do in my job as a telecommunications Rigger), and have maintained my fitness level since I was in the Regular Army.

From everything I have read, get a properly made one and that issue is lessened significantly, but not gone completely. While I am not into pain I do not mind it, and the corsets fit with my style I enjoy. I don't mind a little discomfort to like how I look. Most days I go for comfort and simplicity, but sometimes a little pain for a certain look can be fun, once in a while. Obviously wouldn't wanna wear one all the time unless I some how miraculously looked and felt amazing in it and it didn't hurt at all.


Some of the better quality corsets shouldn't do that and I'm told bone does it less than metal. I don't bother with corsets, I can get my waist done to 20" with one and it just looks creepy.


Many geeks still believe in cooties and that miniatures can be a potential carrier.:rolleyes:


It is rather childish isn't it, as long as things are well modeled and interesting, I am totally for it myself. Though I am not much of a purist, I like to mix up the mess in the hobby world, because the new creates progress. The new makes one distinct from all the other people doing the darned same thing.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

You females are also a bit sexist at times, a la, "you can't hit a woman".

But what if she hit me?

[imperialpower]

You females are also a bit sexist at times, a la, "you can't hit a woman".

But what if she hit me?

How is not been able to hit a woman sexist? For me that is just part of been an honourable man and is somthing you decide as a man not because women say you can not hit them because they are girls.

[Caitsidhe]

How is not been able to hit a woman sexist? For me that is just part of been an honourable man and is somthing you decide as a man not because women say you can not hit them because they are girls.

I think he is trying to point out that some women (not all mind you) expect the courtesies and perks of being a woman which are by their very nature "sexist," without any sexism coming with it. What you COULD have said to him is that an honorable man doesn't find the need to strike anyone, man or woman. You could have stated that violence is an option of last resort and should only be resorted to when there is no choice and that sex doesn't matter at all in the consideration. Or, you could have said that a honorable PERSON (not man or woman) forced to violence mitigates the strength of the response as appropriate. It is not honorable for a man/woman to strike someone weaker and less capable of defending themselves (regardless of gender). In other words, if I am punched by a female Marine (who can probably kick my butt) there is no dishonor in punching her back. Slugging a little schoolgirl (or boy) who slaps you demonstrates only cowardice.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

What Cait said.

I have only hit someone in self defence, and I have NEVER hit a woman.


My point was that if women demand equality, that should be equality in EVERY aspect. You can't pick and choose, that isn't fair.

[imperialpower]

I think he is trying to point out that some women (not all mind you) expect the courtesies and perks of being a woman which are by their very nature "sexist," without any sexism coming with it. What you COULD have said to him is that an honorable man doesn't find the need to strike anyone, man or woman. You could have stated that violence is an option of last resort and should only be resorted to when there is no choice and that sex doesn't matter at all in the consideration. Or, you could have said that a honorable PERSON (not man or woman) forced to violence mitigates the strength of the response as appropriate. It is not honorable for a man/woman to strike someone weaker and less capable of defending themselves (regardless of gender). In other words, if I am punched by a female Marine (who can probably kick my butt) there is no dishonor in punching her back. Slugging a little schoolgirl (or boy) who slaps you demonstrates only cowardice.

You are right I could have said that but I do not believe in what you have written, like I said it is a choice I make by my self so would not see it as sexist towards men because it is my choice to believe it is wrong to hit a woman because she is a woman, so I suppose I am the one been sexist towards women becuase I will happily hit a man if I feel the need to but treat women differently.

[Caitsidhe]

You are right I could have said that but I do not believe in what you have written, like I said it is a choice I make by my self so would not see it as sexist towards men because it is my choice to believe it is wrong to hit a woman because she is a woman, so I suppose I am the one been sexist towards women becuase I will happily hit a man if I feel the need to but treat women differently.

Heh. I never said I disagreed with you. I merely pointed out that the view is sexist. There is no way around it.

[imperialpower]

Heh. I never said I disagreed with you. I merely pointed out that the view is sexist. There is no way around it.

Yes I know it is sexist but my point was that it is my choice to live by a certain code so it is not the women been sexist saying you can't hit us but by the way we want to be equal it is a choice that I as a man have made so I am the one who is sexist not women.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I can't help but think that he's trying to slant my honour.

[imperialpower]

I can't help but think that he's trying to slant my honour.

No just pointing out that you are looking at it from the wrong point of view, it is not women been sexist but men, I would not insult someones honour who I do not know that would by it's very nature be dishonourable and the sugestion that I would is an insult to my integrity but obviously you seem to have mis understood my point about your post.

[Caitsidhe]

Yes I know it is sexist but my point was that it is my choice to live by a certain code so it is not the women been sexist saying you can't hit us but by the we want to be equal it is a choice that I as a man have made so I am the one who is sexist not women.

Umm.... you are missing the point. You are sexist by your beliefs. Any woman who feels the same way, i.e. that a MAN should never strike a WOMAN is likewise being sexist. You will note that in my original comments I stated that "many woman but not all" do feel this way. Those that do are exercising the same double standard that you are talking about. :) Mothers who raise their sons teaching them (as mine did) that boys do not strike girls, are being sexist. You should note that I'm not getting into the idea of whether or not all sexism is bad or good (that would be another discussion of gender entirely).

[imperialpower]

Umm.... you are missing the point. You are sexist by your beliefs. Any woman who feels the same way, i.e. that a MAN should never strike a WOMAN is likewise being sexist. You will note that in my original comments I stated that "many woman but not all" do feel this way. Those that do are exercising the same double standard that you are talking about. :) Mothers who raise their sons teaching them (as mine did) that boys do not strike girls, are being sexist. You should note that I'm not getting into the idea of whether or not all sexism is bad or good (that would be another discussion of gender entirely).

Yes I understand what you are saying of course if a woman also believes the same thing then they too are sexist I just think that it is mainly a male code of practice if you will, not women cherry picking what parts of equality they want and do not want, if you get where I am coming from?

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

This is just going no where guys.

Cease now.

[eldargal]

I think he is trying to point out that some women (not all mind you) expect the courtesies and perks of being a woman which are by their very nature "sexist," without any sexism coming with it. What you COULD have said to him is that an honorable man doesn't find the need to strike anyone, man or woman. You could have stated that violence is an option of last resort and should only be resorted to when there is no choice and that sex doesn't matter at all in the consideration. Or, you could have said that a honorable PERSON (not man or woman) forced to violence mitigates the strength of the response as appropriate. It is not honorable for a man/woman to strike someone weaker and less capable of defending themselves (regardless of gender). In other words, if I am punched by a female Marine (who can probably kick my butt) there is no dishonor in punching her back. Slugging a little schoolgirl (or boy) who slaps you demonstrates only cowardice.

Men until recently had all the power. They still have most of the power. Men don't have to deal with constant, daily aggression, micro-aggression and unwanted sexual advances. You also tend to be physically stronger. I really don't consider the whole 'I won't hit women' thing a bad thing under these circumstances. When we actually have equality, then you we can revise it.

However you re correct that it comes down to not hitting people who are weaker than you. If you beat up someone who will struggle to hurt you, regardless of how they provoked it, you are a bully, nothing more.


This is just going no where guys.

Cease now.

/not a guy.:p Hehe. But I'll try not to post on the subject again.

Getting back to corsets, 'cos that's the topic, right? There are a few custom corset makers on Etsy that make a quality corset if you need one for whatever reason.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I should wear a corset, and be even thinner than I am!

I will look fabulous.

[Daemonette666]

You females are also a bit sexist at times, a la, "you can't hit a woman".

But what if she hit me?

I had some drunk, woman beating fool try and beat me up with a steel pipe when coming home from the night clubs near Oxford Street Sydney. I was so peeved off mainly because I had a bad night the previous night when working as a bouncer.

I should have stopped hurting him after I broke his jaw and ribs, but he kept trying to reach for the damn steel pipe. Thankfully, after some quick first aid, I bumped into a mate of mine who was bouncing at another night club, and he call the Paramedics for me.

But I am an exception to the normal dainty female. I have done enough martial arts, body building, and army training to defend myself. Many women can be Biarches when it comes to talking to others because they think they can get away with it. They look pretty, or they are small and expect men to defend them just because they are women. Others though are not Beeches, and I would defend them myself if a guy was beating up on them.

If she hit you it all depends on the context/ reason why she hit you. Did you deserve it, did you insult or embarrass her. TDA be honest, she didn't hit you that hard, and you really wanted her to hit you. LOL Maybe you should be Slaanesh's dark Agent.

[Wildeybeast]

WTF is this nonsense? How are we having a discussion about the equality issues surrounding hitting people? Whatever happened to 'hitting people is bad so don't do it regardless of gender'?

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

If she hit you it all depends on the context/ reason why she hit you. Did you deserve it, did you insult or embarrass her. TDA be honest, she didn't hit you that hard, and you really wanted her to hit you. LOL Maybe you should be Slaanesh's dark Agent.

Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh baby! :p



WTF is this nonsense? How are we having a discussion about the equality issues surrounding hitting people? Whatever happened to 'hitting people is bad so don't do it regardless of gender'?

Whatever happened to:

"This is just going no where guys.

Cease now."

[Wildeybeast]

Whatever happened to:

"This is just going no where guys.

Cease now."

Everyone ignored you. :p You should probably just close the thread, it largely consists of the same tired old bit about women in body armour and some nonsense about hitting women (started by you). The corset bit should have it's own thread down in the Oubliette, ideally with pictures. ;)

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I was actually demonstrating how "equal" society is. :p

[Emerald Rose Widow]

Everyone ignored you. :p You should probably just close the thread, it largely consists of the same tired old bit about women in body armour and some nonsense about hitting women (started by you). The corset bit should have it's own thread down in the Oubliette, ideally with pictures. ;)

OMG PICTURES YES PLEASE

hell I'll post pics once I get a corset, cause they is awesome

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

No, you aren't getting me in a corset.

[Psychosplodge]

The corset bit should have it's own thread down in the Oubliette, ideally with pictures. ;)

I could contribute :D but how forum friendly is stuff like this (http://randomyrandomthings.tumblr.com/post/42015063602)?

[Wolfshade]

I could contribute :D but how forum friendly is stuff like this (http://randomyrandomthings.tumblr.com/image/42015063602)?

Must be friendly, made me smile

[Psychosplodge]

me too...

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

O_O

Ouch.

[Psychosplodge]

O_O

Ouch.
'Tis but a flesh wound...

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

That's... wrong.

[Psychosplodge]

I wish the SO would do it but she's got a bad back so... :(

[Wolfshade]

:D

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I wish the SO would do it but she's got a bad back so... :(


Why? O_O

It seems like a form of torture.

[Emerald Rose Widow]

Why? O_O

It seems like a form of torture.

the pressure is a bit more evened out between all the piercings, I find corset piercings to be facinating, and alluring.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Whatever floats your boat.

[Wolfshade]

My boat is afloat,
It sailed past the moat,
on board is my goat,
but I sha'n't gloat,
for this poem which I wrote,
when the evil doers were smote,
the villagers did dote,
for my vallourous actions of note,
they fed me on ferret and stoat,
on which my stomach did bloat,
But before it runs too long I'll get my coat.

[Wildeybeast]

I could contribute :D but how forum friendly is stuff like this (http://randomyrandomthings.tumblr.com/post/42015063602)?

Why would you ruin sexy pics with ponies? Also, it is not a corset so isn't eligible for the corset thread.

[Psychosplodge]

Why would you ruin sexy pics with ponies? Also, it is not a corset so isn't eligible for the corset thread.

It's a corset piercing :D

Also they just live on the page.

[Brakkart]

Supposedly this is a thread about female space marines so with that in mind I found this rather cool pic on the web a few mins ago and figured I'd chuck it in here just cos:

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/9277/1239288139991.jpg

[Psychosplodge]

Supposedly this is a thread about female space marines so with that in mind I found this rather cool pic on the web a few mins ago and figured I'd chuck it in here just cos:

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/9277/1239288139991.jpg

Stolen for tumblr

[Wolfshade]

..

Must be fake, I mean how out of proportion is it, her chest isn't bigger than her head...

[White Tiger88]

Supposedly this is a thread about female space marines so with that in mind I found this rather cool pic on the web a few mins ago and figured I'd chuck it in here just cos:

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/9277/1239288139991.jpg

Thats way to sexy for Games Workshop to ever make.........the zombie version however they might consider if you cut its head off and rip the guts out.

[Psychosplodge]

The dark angels secret is out...

[Brakkart]

The dark angels secret is out...

LOL. I figured you might like the pic what with your av having pink hair and angel wings Splodge.

[Psychosplodge]

LOL. I figured you might like the pic what with your av having pink hair and angel wings Splodge.

*cough* pegasus wings *cough*
It's human fluttershy


Pink hair is kinda awesome though...

[White Tiger88]

*cough* pegasus wings *cough*
It's human fluttershy


Pink hair is kinda awesome though...

i think you need to seek help.

[Psychosplodge]

Nah I've been tested, I'm certified sane...