February Flyer Wave

[eldargal]

Via Warseer:

From Faeit 212, our favorite source of rumors.

Next White Dwarf will feature aerial battle using campaign of fire rules and NEW flyers

Tau receive a flyer and data sheet for it. Fast attack choice. Armor 11 all around. Non tau pilot. Looks like a manta ray flying backwards. Bs 4 super sonic. S6 ap4 missiles. Off center gun heavy 6 str 5 ap 4 twin linked or single small blast Str 8 ap 2.

Eldar flyer and data sheet for it. Very similar stats to dark eldar flyer has missile lock, has distortion missiles.smaller fighter looks like elongated vyper.

The harpy for tyranids. Nothing to note. Not a dual kit.
The final surprise. A fourth flyer. The long awaited dark eldar bomber.

At least the Tau flyer looks like it's almost as toned down as the DA flyers. Are S6 AP4 missiles the new future?
Voidraven AND a new eldar flyer? This better not be another hallucination.


All of those are accurate, but it's an air caste pilot who is tau, not an alien.

There are some expanded vespid options being explored and the Tau empire is really being fleshed out as a commerce driven "all are welcome if they serve the common good" attitude.

the current schedule calls for Daemons in feb and flyers in march.

A fantasy update in April and then it's 40k and a little bit of hobbit from May to August with a new supplement and then a big launch in September for 40k, then a fantasy fall and shares Christmas.

Anything more than 2-3 months away though is subject to change except that this summer is getting a really awesome 40k supplement.

[Wolfshade]

No Spacemarines no point

[eldargal]

Pfft Xenos > Space Marines.

[ElectricPaladin]

Eldar and Tau? I don't have the budget for this... :D.

[eldargal]

Eldar and Tau? I don't have the budget for this... :D.
Well you don't have to buy nine of each...

There is speculation that the eldar kit may be a dual kit, it is possible. Most GW releases see at least one dual kit and there were rumours of the eldar flyer being such, even before the release schedule of suspect accuracy.

[Wolfshade]

Pfft Xenos > Space Marines.

Sigh th bump on your noggin has obviously left you forgetting which way around the less than symbol should go. Sigh.

But it is nice to see everyone having flyers. I would be very intereseted to see what the Tau looks like/rules are to see if this is an indication of what the range will be moving towards

[eldargal]

I just hope the eldar flyer has decent rules and isn't completely fudged up.

[wittdooley]

I'm completely fine with no Space Marines or Imperial units in this launch.

I'd still like to see a flyer for the Space Wolves at some point, though... :/

[ajefferism]

Hmmm, between the Tau flyer and the new Dark Angels flyer, what exactly are S6 AP4 missiles supposed to target? They're pretty useless versus most ground tanks, only a little less useless versus other flyers (needs 6s versus Stormraven), and a single missile is a waste of points versus infantry. I will admit the S8 AP2 weapon is very nice, but again, useless versus other flyers because its a blast template. Harumph...

[eldargal]

S6 is not useless, eldar have been using it to great effect for years. A flyer should always be targetting rear armour for a start, and they are hard to take down without dedicated anti-air. Remember in 6th you can glance things to death.

Also most flyers are not AV12. The issue here isn't the new flyers being weak but some old flyers being overpowered/undercosted.

[Bigred]

Yup, that is the exact flyer mix that has been reported for several months as coming in Q1:

4 Kits:
Tau
Eldar
Tyranid
Dark Eldar

That goes a long way to equalizing out the flyer wars between all the armies.

Still though, you should weep for Fantasy players - Feb flyers means a possible 11 month gap for Fantasy with no army book. That's bleak.

[wittdooley]

But what about a Space Wolf flyer :(. I want the scout ship that is depicted in Battle of the Fang :D

[Necron_Lord]

I'm pretty happy that DE finally get their bomber. Now they need some SC love. At this point, almost every army barring Sisters, BT and SW will have a flyer or flying MC available.

Regarding WFB not having an update in 11 months, that is what happened with 40K during its 25th anniversary year. I'm sure that we'll see 2-3 new army books this year. Unfortunately, none of them will be Wood Elves or Bretonnia.

[Nabterayl]

But what about a Space Wolf flyer :(. I want the scout ship that is depicted in Battle of the Fang :D

Space Wolf pilots fight with their feet on the ground, as Russ intended!

[Mr Mystery]

Interesting.... But still suspicious of rumours.

Dog fighty rules were covered in Crusade of Fire. Seems a little early to be doing others.

But as ever, happy to be corrected!

[Wildeybeast]

Still though, you should weep for Fantasy players - Feb flyers means a possible 11 month gap for Fantasy with no army book. That's bleak.

We did get a Daemons and Chaos Warriors WD update in the last 6 months so it's not quite weeping time yet, but not far off. I'm assuming both of those will get a new book in the next 12 months. Though Necron Lord is enitrely correct that neither will be Brets or WE.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

That would be a pretty awesome release if it turns out to be true...four xenos factions all getting something, and for some it will of been their first new kit in a long while...

[Emerald Rose Widow]

yknow, the harpy may not be that good on paper, but to be honest I have wanted a kit for that bloody thing for forever and a day. I wanna run harpies for fun, and with GW's history on tyranid wings, its bound to be a beautiful kit to say the least. So I definitely plan on getting one and assembling that biatch soon as it comes out.


And eldargal is right Xenos > Imperium

[Mr Mystery]

You know, two of them will need rules...

Always possible the Harpy will get soups up!

[Emerald Rose Widow]

You know, two of them will need rules...

Always possible the Harpy will get soups up!

I would love it if that happens, but at this point I am not keeping my hopes up just to be safe

[Mr Mystery]

Sensible enough.

Though I reckon we might see an AA variant, as Nids don't really have anything to suit at the moment, and given most flyers do Nids over due to their armament, that sucks!

[MajorWesJanson]

Interesting.... But still suspicious of rumours.

Dog fighty rules were covered in Crusade of Fire. Seems a little early to be doing others.

But as ever, happy to be corrected!

I don't think it is new rules, but it a battle report or series of them using those dogfighting rules and the new fliers.

[Eberk]

What happened to the large Ork flyer mentioned a while back ? Any word on that ?

[Farseer Uthiliesh]

Via Warseer:

Voidraven AND a new eldar flyer? This better not be another hallucination.

Oh dear, my credit card will hate me for this. If they release the Void Raven, and Tau and Tyranid flyers I'm stuffed!

[Brakkart]

Well that will be a cheap month for me then what with the rumoured Daemons and these flyers too, but a whole bunch of my friends wallets are gonna take a beating.

[ajefferism]

S6 is not useless, eldar have been using it to great effect for years. A flyer should always be targetting rear armour for a start, and they are hard to take down without dedicated anti-air. Remember in 6th you can glance things to death.

Also most flyers are not AV12. The issue here isn't the new flyers being weak but some old flyers being overpowered/undercosted.

S6 is good... when its not a single shot missile. If it were, say, an assault cannon or some other multishot thing, I'd be all for it. But single shot? Sorry. Even on rear armour 10 you need 4s just to glance and at a max of 2 missiles shot per shooting phase, its gonna take multiple turns to glance anything to death. I'd rather use that S5 AP4 Heavy 6 gun to try and take out light armour. Don't get me wrong, as a Tau player I'm super excited about getting a flyer and that Str8 AP2 blast weapons sounds awesome, but those missiles sound underwhelming (pending they are the final rules, these are rumors after all)

[Archon]

my DE flyer is still in a box ... through chaos i had no time for my DE - so i think a can wait a while before buying the voidbomber *phew*

but the tau-flyer maybe interesting :rolleyes:

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

And eldargal is right Xenos > Imperium

Bloody suck up.

You're a human, play on the right side!

[eldargal]

A little update:

All of those are accurate, but it's an air caste pilot who is tau, not an alien.

There are some expanded vespid options being explored and the Tau empire is really being fleshed out as a commerce driven "all are welcome if they serve the common good" attitude.

the current schedule calls for Daemons in feb and flyers in march.

A fantasy update in April and then it's 40k and a little bit of hobbit from May to August with a new supplement and then a big launch in September for 40k, then a fantasy fall and shares Christmas.

Anything more than 2-3 months away though is subject to change except that this summer is getting a really awesome 40k supplement.
Also added it to the OP.

[DrLove42]

Sounds awesome. LOook forward to breaking my bank....again.

Im beleive these as the guy in my GW let slip about them recently, only reading this made me realise that

And ss for no Fantasy releases for 11 months, Necrons to Chaos was 12 months, so they can suck it up

[Emerald Rose Widow]

awwww, march? I am a sad panda

[Kirsten]

I shall be very interested to see new tau and how they compare to current stuff. alot of their models are getting on a bit now

[Defenestratus]

I just hope the eldar flyer has decent rules and isn't completely fudged up.

I guarantee you it wont be on the Nightwing or Phoenix level of dominance.

[Learn2Eel]

Sounds good - whether it is Daemons first or the Flyers, it seems guaranteed that we will be getting them both in the next two months. That makes me very happy - namely to see how Daemons fare (whether a WD update or new codices) and what the Harpy model is like. Given how awesome the flying Hive Tyrant is model-wise, I'm betting the Harpy will be splendid. I hope like hell they get a rules update - why put them as part of a flyer wave if they can't deal with flyers? I don't mind Harpies as they are but some adjustments - even some new weapon options or special rules - would be lovely.

In fact, I'm betting on the fact the Harpy gets a rules update. All of the other flyers in the set bar the Voidraven are new, and even the Voidraven may see some tweaking to better reflect 6th Edition rules. That and I can't see them releasing the kit without new weapon options that would let the Harpy take on other flyers. Unless GW are pulling a fast one and re-doing Tyranids this year (though I seriously doubt that - though early next year is not out of the question).

[DarkLink]

Sigh th bump on your noggin has obviously left you forgetting which way around the less than symbol should go. Sigh.


She must have dropped a negative sign somewhere. Check her maths.

[ElectricPaladin]

Say, do any of you wonder if the Eldar flyer is going to be called the Darkstar Fighter or Eagle Bomber? Those are the two Eldar attack craft available in Battlefleet Gothic...

[Spikey McTorture]

Flyer pilots are nasty perverts. What is that he is grasping? I guess its not called a cockpit for nothing. Take a look at the pic ---> 3570

[Anakzar]

I believe that's his Joystick?

[ElectricPaladin]

I believe that's his Joystick?

You're not helping.

[Nabterayl]

Say, do any of you wonder if the Eldar flyer is going to be called the Darkstar Fighter or Eagle Bomber? Those are the two Eldar attack craft available in Battlefleet Gothic...
I doubt it. So far GW has shown a surprising reluctance to make flyer kits out of existing aerospace craft.

[Mr Mystery]

I don't expect they'll cover fighters and bombers from BFG.

They're described as being near the size of a jumbo jet. Which is a tad big for regular 40k.

[eldargal]

Yep, I remember reading something from Jervis Johnson I believe either in an interview or on the old Specialist Games forums where he described the smallest BFG craft as being around 3ft long in 40k scale. Or something around that size.

[DrLove42]

Isn't the Manta in BFG? That should give a idea of the scale, tiny few mm manta = 3 feet wide aircraft in 40K

[ElectricPaladin]

Wow? Even the fighters? I knew the bombers and assault boats would be big, but I figured the BFG fighters would be, well, flyer-sized.

The more you know...

[Kawauso]

Wow? Even the fighters? I knew the bombers and assault boats would be big, but I figured the BFG fighters would be, well, flyer-sized.

The more you know...

Thing is that it makes more sense when designing a fighter craft for space combat that it should be larger. Larger means more engine/firepower, and you don't have to worry about the size impacting performance all that much. The larger profile also doesn't matter as much because ship-to-ship engagements or dogfights in space would take place at pretty absurd distances (there were one or two memorable space battles in Battle for the Abyss which I think were the only good parts of that book).

I recall a conversation along these lines between my father (who's been in military and now civil aviation all his life) and an engineering friend of his. Though, granted, they were speaking in terms of a craft about the size of the Millennium Falcon, not quite as big as a Manta.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

If they were to port fighters from BFG, we would of probably had the Jackal and Dirges for the necrons but instead they came up with the Night and Doom Scythes (which kept the same crescent shape). It's far more likely they'll invent new things instead.

[rpricew]

One thing to consider with Flyers shooting flyers that hasn't been mentioned here, forcing your opponent's flyer to Jink, thereby limiting its effective shooting the next round is almost as good as wrecking it. I play Tyranids, and the Mindstrike Missiles on the Stormraven is my worst nightmare when it comes to buffed up TMCs.

Send the Flyrant after it, and roll 9 hits on it and it's probably going to Jink. Next turn...nothing but Snapshots. I think this is a mechanic that GW is trying to incorporate into these new Flyers.

[CosmicSchwung]

I don't expect they'll cover fighters and bombers from BFG.

They're described as being near the size of a jumbo jet. Which is a tad big for regular 40k.

That used to be the case, but they cocked it up when they brought space marines into the mix by making thunderhawks their fighters/assault boats.

[Krayd]

I don't think it is new rules, but it a battle report or series of them using those dogfighting rules and the new fliers.

heh. Maybe they'll cram the missing dark eldar ace table in there somewhere. :P

[Cap'nSmurfs]

I've always taken that as a tacit admission that Thunderhawks are So Dang Awesome that they can do things other vehicles twice or three times their size can do, all at once. This is Space Marine technology. It's better than the Navy.

[Denzark]

Lightnings are space capable are they not? Thought they fight in orbit in a GG book.

[Brakkart]

That used to be the case, but they cocked it up when they brought space marines into the mix by making thunderhawks their fighters/assault boats.

Yeah but Thunderhawks are still huge compared to the size of the other flyers and are thus quite rightly an Apocalypse only unit.

[Mr Mystery]

I'd also say Thunderhawks are the size of a small jumbo. I mean they carry 30 Marines, plus equipment.

Their role in BFG is more about their Titan class weapon...

[Blusox69]

So does this mean that the Tau update that we were hoping for in March was just in fact a new flyer and not a codex? :-(

[ksoh75]

I'm curious to see what the Tau Flyer looks like......very interested....VERY........VERYVERYVERY

[Defenestratus]

I'm curious to see what the Tau Flyer looks like......very interested....VERY........VERYVERYVERY

http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2012/09/28/308353.jpg

[ElectricPaladin]

http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2012/09/28/308353.jpg

No no no. That's what a stormtalon looks like. See that speck in the distance, just to the left of the plume of smoke? That's the Tau flyer.

[Mr Mystery]

That made me genuinely laugh out loud.

[Wildeybeast]

Not wishing to destroy dreams, but there are leaked pics of Warriors of Chaos for Feb down in the Warhammer section. I would be amazed if they did a flyer wave as well as a launching a new army.

[Maine]

As usual, the flyer wave is 2-3 months away. Every month, it is 2 to 3 months away, and so it shall be until everyone forgets the rumor...

[eldargal]

Or possibly not:

A new 40k supplement book will be released on 16th February:
"Death from the Skies" (26€, mail order only, chance of being in English only).
More when I know more. But it certainly sounds like a flyer supplement.

We are talking about a book a bit cheaper than Planetstrike (maybe £20.00 or so), so the book is thin and not hardcover like SOM.

BTW not the first time, that model releases from second half of the month were kept secret from WD and traders, so I wouldn't completely rule out some flyers (e.g. the 4 rumoured ones) being released, say, 23rd February, although I am just guessing. Remember the trench box?
As always, believe it when GW post it on the website or pictures are leaked.

[Mrchilidog]

The digital version of WD dropped yesterday and there were no new flyers. Hopefully, March.

[Eberk]

no new flyers. Hopefully, March.
Lets cling to the last straw of hope and hope that what Eldargal said is true... especially about the book.

Nobody saw "Crusade of Fire" coming, so why can't it happen again ??

[Daemonette666]

Sigh th bump on your noggin has obviously left you forgetting which way around the less than symbol should go. Sigh.

But it is nice to see everyone having flyers. I would be very interested to see what the Tau looks like/rules are to see if this is an indication of what the range will be moving towards


You both have hit your heads and gotten concussions. It is Chaos Space Marines > Xenos > Space Marines.

[ElectricPaladin]

You both have hit your heads and gotten concussions. It is Chaos Space Marines > Xenos > Space Marines.

No no no. I've told you. It's this:

My Current Army > My Old Army > Your Army

[Daemonette666]

No no no. I've told you. It's this:

My Current Army > My Old Army > Your Army

Yes of course, My current army > My old army > Your, yes you, Electric Paladins current army :P LOL.

[Emerald Rose Widow]

Yes of course, My current army > My old army > Your, yes you, Electric Paladins current army :P LOL.

THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE

hehe.

[eldargal]

http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=163001&d=1359539590
Via Warseer from MajorWes. So the book at least is coming.

[DrLove42]

Interesting they use the word "Compendium" not book

Suggests the rumours that isa just the fliers rules fro Crusade of Fire and all existing aircraft is true.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Not expecting any model releases with this, but would be nice if they at least put out the DE Bomber. On the rules-side I hope my Necron fliers get weakened, preferably a points boost as they.

[eldargal]

It's still possible the flyers will come, there was a correction to hte February rumour saying the release was actually in March, perhaps with a Feb advance order date. Or it might not happen at all.:rolleyes:

[DrLove42]

Feb white dwarf - March release?

[eldargal]

It's not in the Feb WD, it is one of those surprise mid-month releases so we don't know what could becoming with it (probably nothing going by the Crusade of Burniness release).

[DrLove42]

I mean the WD that will launch at the end of Feb (which is technically March's?), not the WoC one

[Wolfshade]

Interesting they use the word "Compendium" not book

Suggests the rumours that isa just the fliers rules fro Crusade of Fire and all existing aircraft is true.

Yup I was thinking that, a whole re-iteration of information that is already published.

[Krayd]

Yup I was thinking that, a whole re-iteration of information that is already published.

Well, maybe they'll remember to include the aces that they left out of Crusade of Fire (dark eldar, etc).

[Mr Mystery]

To be fair, the change of date was added pretty quickly, so seems legit enough. Also, I think it came from another rumour monger, so again supports well. If it came from the original, I'd suspect someone making stuff up. But it didn't. So you have two rumour mongers claiming the same releases, with only the date being a discrepancy.

I shall wait and see :)

[Brass Scorpion]

Check this out:

blog.spikeybits.com/2013/01/official-leak-flyers-death-from-skies.html

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-AvN_JlCUJGs/UQkrMU1aR_I/AAAAAAAASfc/9BRUi2ckRpI/s1600/Clipboard01_zpsae52c10b.jpg

[ElectricPaladin]

Sadly, the new leak also implies that the book is less than impressive. No Tau flyer. No Eldar flyer. Just updated rules for the flyers we already have to bring them all up to 6th edition.

[Mr Mystery]

Nah.

Why 'compendium'.

That would cover all of a handful of fliers.

I'm calling shenanigans on that particular rumour.

[Farseer Uthiliesh]

Nah.

Why 'compendium'.

That would cover all of a handful of fliers.

I'm calling shenanigans on that particular rumour.

I doubt that it will include the Tau flier, at least; I can imagine that will be in the upcoming Tau codex.

[Mr Mystery]

Assuming the Tau rumour bears out.

Apologies for being such a nay-saying negative nancy, but sadly rumours aren't what they used to be :(