Dark Angels up for pre-order on GW

[JMichael]

They are finally up, and with a limited edition codes that looks pretty sweet too!
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCatsLarge.jsp?catId=cat440160a&rootCatGameStyle=wh40k


I will be getting the Dark Talon fighter to proxy as an Avenger for my Sisters, or perhaps adding Dark Angels allies!

[Kawauso]

What I find interesting/distressing is what this could herald for price increases down the line...

$70 CAD for the Deathwing box - which has a -lot- of options and builds 3 different types of termy squad, I will grant you. Is it that much more than what the GK termy box lets you build, though? $10 more?
$80 for a Vengeance Land Speeder? Yikes. Just...yikes. Compared to $36 for a regular or Storm variant... I mean I realize it fulfills a different roll and all, but I have a hard time seeing the model being more than twice as valuable.
$90 for a Dark Talon/Nephilim? Not as much as a Stormraven, but it seems more in line with a Valkyrie or Stormtalon (the latter especially), which are $79 and $55, respectively.

I'm not usually one to harp on GW prices (and I'm certainly not going to cry 'the end is nigh!') but this latest batch of pre-orders does seem rather...steep.

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That being said, I still am going to pick up the book and I am really tempted to look into some DA allies for my Blood Angels, depending on the rules for the Vengeance/Dark Talon and where they fit into the army.
I'm also really tempted to consider a Deathwing army, and I'll certainly be looking into the cost/etc. of doing a small, elite all-terminator army.

[Gir]

Hahaha, the Dark Talon is Cheaper in Aus than in Canada.

[Kawauso]

Hahaha, the Dark Talon is Cheaper in Aus than in Canada.

Wat.

[Diagnosis Ninja]

What I find interesting/distressing is what this could herald for price increases down the line...

$70 CAD for the Deathwing box - which has a -lot- of options and builds 3 different types of termy squad, I will grant you. Is it that much more than what the GK termy box lets you build, though? $10 more?
$80 for a Vengeance Land Speeder? Yikes. Just...yikes. Compared to $36 for a regular or Storm variant... I mean I realize it fulfills a different roll and all, but I have a hard time seeing the model being more than twice as valuable.
$90 for a Dark Talon/Nephilim? Not as much as a Stormraven, but it seems more in line with a Valkyrie or Stormtalon (the latter especially), which are $79 and $55, respectively.

I'm not usually one to harp on GW prices (and I'm certainly not going to cry 'the end is nigh!') but this latest batch of pre-orders does seem rather...steep.

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That being said, I still am going to pick up the book and I am really tempted to look into some DA allies for my Blood Angels, depending on the rules for the Vengeance/Dark Talon and where they fit into the army.
I'm also really tempted to consider a Deathwing army, and I'll certainly be looking into the cost/etc. of doing a small, elite all-terminator army.

Deathwing Box: It's about the price difference they charge for an upgrade sprue.
Vengeance: the model is twice the size of a normal land speeder. The price is about £5 more than I would have thought, like.
Jetplanes: It's a smash-together between a Space Marines Bumblebee and an Imperial Guard Pigeon. Add in some scenery to glue on the back and you've got a kit. It's about a fiver more than I'd like, too, but...

Overall, it lines up with everything else in Gee Dub's range: It's about a fiver more than I'd like it to be. Sure, I could have a fairly splashy day out on the money I'd save over the course of an army, but in the short term it's only money I would waste in the pub.

[/defensive]

Overall, it's what you think's worth it. I mean, I spent way too much money on M:TG this week.

[YorkNecromancer]

Having seen the Land Speeder Vengeance in full 360 degree rotation now, I feel qualified to say:

Nagash, a contender for your crown has appeared.

[eldargal]

If you really think that then you have very poor taste and/or are blind.

[Gotthammer]

Was going to check them out but...


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Good timing GW, good timing :rolleyes:

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Damn you wallet!

[imperialpower]

Yea thought I would have a look at the new dark angels as well but looks like GW has a different idea on how to sell models.:confused:

[eldargal]

GWs website is working fine for me now.

[imperialpower]

GWs website is working fine for me now.

Yea back for me too, time to see what the fuss is about.

[Gotthammer]

Yeah, working now but probably not the best time to schedule some maintainence I don't think.

That Land Speeder is almost a win for me except the front gunner - throws the whole balance off for me. If he'd been in the standard gunner's spot I'd love it.
Digging the DW termies set, though not the knights so much. Probably the sort of thing I'd get one DW box and a standard set or two and spread lots of parts about between them. More termies is never a bad thing :D

[Kirsten]

they probably had some sort of problem crop up, I very much doubt it was actually scheduled maintenance. the prices don't bother me too much, the dark raven talon wing angel looks a good bit bigger than a storm talon, seems longer to me, and then the wings and all the weapon options

[imperialpower]

Have to agree the landspeeder looks great other than the WWI bi-plane front gunner that spoils the flow of the bodywork, the flyer looks great as well nice and robust looking, everything else other than the deathwing knights ball on a stick looks ok, will be very intrested in reading the new codex as well hopefully the background will be a good read

[Grulgor]

Actually that limited codex seems a lot more worth it than the poor chaos fellas one, cloth effect cover with embossed detail and an actual separate dust jacket with the fallen listed on the back, could probably use that to start an army of the fallen with canon names.

[eldargal]

The limited edition version flips all my video game/hobby collectors edition acquisitive buttons. "So for a bazillion extra pounds I can get a certificate written like it was an in-game directive to hunt Fallen Dark Angels that I am only moderately interested in to begin with? MUST HAVE NOW!"
*froths at mouth and starts flailing while throwing cash at her computer*


http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2860473a_99120101096_DeathwingCommand05_873x627.j pg
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Aw fudge now I need to buy some Deathwing terminators.

[Mr Mystery]

Seems GW just keeps making better and better Terminator models!

It's not been that long since the original multi-part kit was released.

[Lexington]

Man, that Land Speeder is a tragedy - 90% slick, Astartes-appropriate design ruined by that joke of a pulpit-gunner. Same with the churchy flyer variant. It's like they let a bunch of toddlers scrawl on Jes Goodwin's blueprints.

Rest is mostly nice, tho. The modular hood/robe design for the Deathwing Knights is impressive as all hell, and the new Ravenwing guys sport keen accessories and some really nice, subtle redesigns of the basic Marine bike. The characters are dumpy and unlovable, but they're easy plastic conversions anyway, so DA players needn't play the Finecast returns game.

Plus, of course, J. Vetock wrote the Codex, which rather ups its potential over other rumored scribes... :D

[Mr Mystery]

I reckon the Ravenwing command squad will sell well due to all the beaky parts.

If memory serves, it's been ages since you could get a MkVI Apothecary.

[Marius]

Well we have new profiles already for Belial and Sammael with WS 6 teleport homer, iron halo and night halo.

[Defenestratus]

Plus, of course, J. Vetock wrote the Codex, which rather ups its potential over other rumored scribes... :D

You, out of everyone... you.... I was expecting the least to pile on the Ward-hate.

[Simian]

Has anyone else noticed that Sternguard Vets are listed under the Dark Angels Elites page? could they be included in the new Codex?

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat860008a&rootCatGameStyle=wh40k

[White Tiger88]

is it me or is games workshop not even trying anymore with the crazy price's on these models and how bad there sculpts are.......

[Simian]

is it me or is games workshop not even trying anymore with the crazy price's on these models and how bad there sculpts are.......

Madness, i really like the new models. and in comparison to the rest of the range the prices are about right, that's not to say they're not expensive just that they're not really any more expensive than the rest of the GW model line.

[Wolfshade]

I think they are very nice, must resist urge to get army....

I think my favourite must be the bike command squad, that is so going to be converted to BA for one of my reserve companies.

[Deadlift]

Madness, i really like the new models. and in comparison to the rest of the range the prices are about right, that's not to say they're not expensive just that they're not really any more expensive than the rest of the GW model line.

I did like all the new models, well not Belial he looks too much like an OAP in Terminator armour. But that speeder I liked it at 1st, but now not so sure. It just looks a bit to ungainly for me after looking at the rotation pictures. I think the manned gun on the front needs to go. I won't be buying one that's for sure. The flyers both look good, but I think the added arches etc are too much. It's like the designers have thought "how can I make this more gothic" "I know lets add some archways and candles etc" its too much for my taste personally. Luckily the kits look like they can be built without them.
Both the Deathwing and Ravenwing kits look bloody fantastic though.

[Gotthammer]

I second the Ravenwing being awesome for one reason only - beaky heads with the horizontal helmet vents like the Rogue Trader cover art. It is impossible to convey how much I have coveted them in plastic form. It's ridiculous really how much seeing those models have those vents almost made me impulse buy them despite there being zero need or benefit to order ASAP. I'm still a marine fangirl at heart :p

Not entirely sold on the Deathwing, perhaps a bit overdone, but judicious use of vanilla termie kits could spread the gothic out.

[Deadlift]

I second the Ravenwing being awesome for one reason only - beaky heads with the horizontal helmet vents like the Rogue Trader cover art. It is impossible to convey how much I have coveted them in plastic form. It's ridiculous really how much seeing those models have those vents almost made me impulse buy them despite there being zero need or benefit to order ASAP. I'm still a marine fangirl at heart :p

Not entirely sold on the Deathwing, perhaps a bit overdone, but judicious use of vanilla termie kits could spread the gothic out.

Yeah I agree with you on the DW they could be dilluted a little. there's something to be said about the vanilla TDA kits. They manage to still look good without being too fussy, could be said of the whole vanilla range of models really. They have a classic, clean, tidy look where some of the other chapters models like GK, BA, DA and SW sometimes look like they are trying to hard to look different. It's my personally taste of course, but I find these older marine kits much more pleasing to paint.

[Gotthammer]

The bits just being regular marine bits with an icon slapped on often doesn't help with the "tryhard" look. I'm thinking of painting some dudes with a blue urban cammo pattern (http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f266/wiccamoon/lightbluecamo.jpg) 'cause I think it'd look pretty cool.
I think that's why unique helmets like the Templar's bucket head work well as they're totally unique. Big fan of termies too - the original metal box set was one of the first kits I ever owned and the Deathwing box set was the kit I bought from the first GW store in Australia on opening day :D

[Dominic]

I've just ordered 5 Deathwing kits, all Terminator army here I come. Being able to build 3 units out of 1 kit has its advantages, adds a bit more diversity to your army - I mean can anyone tell the difference between GKT and GK Paladins?

[Learn2Eel]

I think that' what I am going to do actually. I've already got one from Dark Vengeance, plus some other Dark Angels stuff, so why not I guess. Would be cheaper and easier than doing Ravenwing, and I do want to do something unique after all. My Grey Knights aren't even really an all Terminator army, so the Deathwing army would be unique and cool.

Again though, not for a while methinks. I'll have to wait until the codex is out to figure out how I want to equip them - I'm thinking at 1500 running (hopefully) Belial, a Deathwing Command Squad, a Deathwing Knight squad, and as many other Deathwing squads as I can fit in (probably two or three). Given that it looks like TH/SS Deathwing will be about 50 points each, I'm thinking I will probably only use one unit of them - if at all, given the Knight squad. We will soon see I guess.

[Learn2Eel]

Someone over on Warseer has been posting about the Dark Talon and Nephilim rules, plus a little tidbit on Black Knights (this is a rumour, treat it as such);

Dark Talon
Rift Cannon - S5 AP- (he says no "armour pen", I'm guessing this is what he means), Small Blast, Blind

Nephilim
Avenger Mega Bolter - S6 AP4, Heavy 5 (yes, apparently it is different to the one on the Avenger Strike Fighter)
Blacksword Missiles - S6 AP4
Unrelenting Hunter - Lets you switch a weapon destroyed result on an enemy vehicle to an immobilized result

Black Knights
Corvus Hammers - Strength: +1, AP-, Rending

As you might expect, a lot of people are jumping up about how the codex is apparently under-powered based on their initial impressions of the weaponry of some units.

Personally, I like it. I think too many people were expecting fliers that were simply too good in their respective roles - though I guess that is fair enough when following the codex with the Heldrake in it.
We still don't know what the Dark Talon's Stasis Bomb does, nor do we know how cheap it is. To me, it still sounds a good deal, even if it doesn't have an AP3 gun or whatever. It will still kill a lot of infantry, even MEQs, across the game. I'm expecting it to be in the 130 or maybe lower price range.

I can actually see the Nephilim being a lot better than it is being made out to be. It probably won't be that expensive, and as has been the case with flying monstrous creatures and the like, it looks like S6-7 weaponry is going to be the norm for a lot of fliers (also using the Stormtalon and Dakkajet as examples). People might point to S6 on the missiles being disappointing, but when it has like seven of them (?) that isn't really an issue, especially considering most flyers are AV10-11. It's main gun is also decent. The Unrelenting Hunter rule might sound cooler than it actually is, but I think the value of it is lost on some (if this turns out to be true); you can get a locked velocity result on a flyer (I would assume) or have other applications, i.e. immobilizing a transport, etc. It also has heavy bolters, which is something to be considered - again, this looks like a flier designed to take out AV10-11 fliers, it is probably in the 130 price range as well. If people don't like the Mega Bolter, they can always swap it out for a lascannon.

The Corvus Hammers also sound neat, I kind of expected they wouldn't be thunder hammers based on the rules we've gotten for Deathwing Knights. If they aren't two-handed, that can be up to 4 attacks per Knight on the charge at S5 with Rending, plus Hammer of Wrath. Sounds good. Like the Deathwing Knights, they appear to have weapons that are better against Terminators than power swords without being thunder hammer or power fist equivalents. Rending also means they can deal with a lot of targets other combat units wouldn't be able to.

Sounds like Vetock isn't going overboard on these units, which is good. Of course, we have to see points costs - and the rules for a lot of other units - before we can really point out whether this will follow the trend of the Chaos Space Marine codex, but for the moment, it does look like GW is sticking to its guns. Maybe this time they will actually stick with this through the edition instead of what happened in 4th....

[rpricew]

How long before someone converts the Land Speeder Vengeance without the "Bucket" on the front and mounts up a proper Turret mount gun? Deathwing look awesome though :)

[Emerald Rose Widow]

I must profess curiosity to see what vetlock will do with this codex, how it will be balanced within itself and outside itself. I hope that the newer 6th edition codexes will be fairly balanced and maybe codex creep will lessen a bit...I know pipe dream.




What happened in 4th exactly?