I... ummm.... feel quite sad now... :/

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Some of you may be aware of my music tastes and whatnot, and some of you may have heard this news...

Ian Watkins, the lead singer of Lostprophets, has been accused of some seriously dodgy stuff, including conspiring to rape a one year old girl.
Whether or not this story is legit, the fact that it has been brought up has made me seriously rethink my fandom of the band.

The full story is here. (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lostprophets-rocker-ian-watkins-accused-1497254)

I have been a follower of the band for about 7 or 8 years, they are one of my favourite bands, and I have seen them so many times.
Now I have kinda lost faith and feel that these past 7-8 years, and all the money that I have spent on them, has been a huge waste.

Of course, this story could be fake, and if it is I will be happy. I just hope that Ian hasn't messed this up for the rest of the band....

I could... do with a hug or something...

[Kirsten]

yeah I was pretty disappointed to hear the allegations, I am a fan of the band. not got the fourth or fifth albums, been meaning to get them for ages. kinda don't want to now.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I have all of their albums, and now I feel dirty.

[Kirsten]

well so far the allegations are only aimed at the singer as far as I know, so that doesn't affect what the rest of the band is, they made great music and they will be even more devastated by the news than you are, knowing they played alongside him. that isof course if it is true. there are so very many people coming forward now, so many people accused. I honestly hope the people who have been victims get justice, but I do worry that this media frenzy is going to turn things into a salem witch hunt setup.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Indeed, it is only against the singer. I don't know if they would be the same band without the singer though.

I am.... quite depressed. :(

[Kirsten]

yeah but what I am saying is the singer is not the only feature of the band, you can still listen to the music and appreciate it for the other band members who don't deserve to have a decade fo work written off because of one individual. I never knew anything about the band personally, I was astonished when they said on the news they were welsh, I thought they were american.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I've always known that they were Welsh. :p
I call them "the boys from Pontypridd".

I know what you're saying, and I'm sure that the band can find a replacement for Ian if he does get sentenced. Don't get me wrong, the other elements of the band are amazing, Mike Chipin is a good drummer, and both the lead + bass guitarists are talented, but if they lose Ian then the band won't be the same...

[Kirsten]

I think they should go back to the first album anyway, the others are a bit mainstream. still some amazing tracks on there, but fake sound of progress is their best album. best track titles of any album ever too.

[Denzark]

If it helps - he is an innocent man until proven guilty, so there's no need to provide an internet jury prior to the real one.

However, on the downside, the screwed up English/Welsh law system can mean that the Police won't lift unless 85-90% sure of a conviction, and the CPS won't prosecute unless 95% sure. So if he goes to court it means THE LAW are convinced he did it, it is then for judge/jury to decide if the evidence is sufficient.

[Wolfshade]

Why does what one does in their personal life effect what they do in their public life?

The band makes brilliant music, and that is what he should be known for. Similiarly, Gary Glitter, people's enjoyment of his music shouldn't be changed by his curious life style.
Similiarly, it shouldn't be forgotten all the philanthropic works that Jimmy Saville did.

Yes, they are not good, but should that mean that you should not enjoy what they produced?

By extension, modern rocketry is all based on work performed by German scientists during a period that cannot be mentioned on this board. It wasn't enough for america and russia to take the working notes, they needed the scientists to make it happen. If we consider that particular regime to be ultimately bad and every thing that they did to be abhorrent then we should not use anything with satelittes, GPS, Space Telescopes, TV, Radios etc.

Just because someone is bad or does bad stuff then it does not mean that everything they do is bad.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I can't support or condone paedophilia...

Hopefully this is all bullsh*t, and that's what I think it is at the moment.

[Wolfshade]

No one is asking you to.
But if you think by buying their music you are then by extension are you supporting national socialists by using technology that is dependent on rocketry?

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I, uh... what?

[Denzark]

No one is asking you to.
But if you think by buying their music you are then by extension are you supporting national socialists by using technology that is dependent on rocketry?

I see where you are going wolfy - but then the difference being that Werner Von Braun, his estate and his heirs, don't get direct royalty payments for their work. Unless you opt completely out of technology - an imposibility in this day and age - you will probably use soemthing developed for war or nazzis.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Meh, my Grandma was Jewish.

[Psychosplodge]

Some of you may be aware of my music tastes and whatnot, and some of you may have heard this news...

Ian Watkins, the lead singer of Lostprophets, has been accused of some seriously dodgy stuff, including conspiring to rape a one year old girl.
Whether or not this story is legit, the fact that it has been brought up has made me seriously rethink my fandom of the band.

The full story is here. (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lostprophets-rocker-ian-watkins-accused-1497254)

I have been a follower of the band for about 7 or 8 years, they are one of my favourite bands, and I have seen them so many times.
Now I have kinda lost faith and feel that these past 7-8 years, and all the money that I have spent on them, has been a huge waste.

Of course, this story could be fake, and if it is I will be happy. I just hope that Ian hasn't messed this up for the rest of the band....

I could... do with a hug or something...

Yeah it was around all day yesterday in various forms,
but have this.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdh0pfzIH01r8lsolo1_400.gif

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Thanks Psycho. :)

[Wolfshade]

I see where you are going wolfy - but then the difference being that Werner Von Braun, his estate and his heirs, don't get direct royalty payments for their work. Unless you opt completely out of technology - an imposibility in this day and age - you will probably use soemthing developed for war or nazzis.

Yeah that is where I am going with that and I agree with the difference.

Though, moralistically by using it are you not just condoning their actions just as much as if you were to buy their stuff, why does whether or not they make a profit make a difference?
If the guy from Lost Prophets is guilty of the things he is accussed but donates all his profits to charities, is that ok because he is not making money?

As an aside, surely that makes you one as well TDA since it is passed through the female line...

[Psychosplodge]

By national socialist standards he would be...think the max you were allowed was one great grand parent.
Can't see why it would matter in reality?

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

As an aside, surely that makes you one as well TDA since it is passed through the female line...

My Mum isn't however, my Jewish Grandma is on my Dad's side.

[Psychosplodge]

The nazzi's would still have you for that...luckily nobody else really gives a sh!t...

[Wolfshade]

Shame really, you've been done out of x12 presents

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I never get much anyway, I've been turned into a right Scrooge because of it.

[Wolfshade]

I never get much anyway, I've been turned into a right Scrooge because of it.

Just remember diving into your money vault isn't the answer

http://www.fantasiescometrue.com/images/medium/fct_8690a703335e3b1.jpg

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Yes it is...

[Psychosplodge]

plus it must sting too...

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Not if you're Smaug.

[Psychosplodge]

I've not read the Hobbit yet.

[Wolfshade]

I've not read the Hobbit yet.

Wow.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

It's not a long or hard book.

[Psychosplodge]

It's on my to read pile.

[Wolfshade]

A friend of mine has a to read book case

[Psychosplodge]

I don't have the space for one, all my bookshelves are already full...

[Mr Mystery]

Ah to live in the age of Paedogeddon.

Innocent until the gutter press decide you're guilty, even when proven innocent in a court of law.

[Kirsten]

nobody is saying he is guilty, it is worrying for people who are fans of the music. nobody is suggesting that buying their music is supporting or condoning sex offences, it simply shocks people when someone they had a lot of respect for is linked to such a major crime.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

^This

[Wolfshade]

nobody is saying he is guilty, it is worrying for people who are fans of the music. nobody is suggesting that buying their music is supporting or condoning sex offences, it simply shocks people when someone they had a lot of respect for is linked to such a major crime.

If that is the case then why do you feel that you no longer want their albumns, their music hasn't changed.
Presumably, what you respected them for was their musical ability, which personal revelations does not change.

[Kirsten]

as stated above, it is a shock, people, mysef included, want to know what has happened. I know that their music is still great, and I can buy the remaining albums, but hearing the singer perform you can't help but think of what is going on.

[Deadlift]

I'm starting to wonder if any "celebrity's" aren't suspected of kiddy fiddling etc. I'm starting to wonder if its all getting a bit bandwagon.
I am a fan of the lost prophets, after hearing "last summer" I was hooked. Great band with enjoyable lyrics.
I hope that these claims are disproven, and if not the band goes on.

[Wolfshade]

I hope that these claims are disproven, and if not the band goes on.
I hope justice is served.
I do like their music and I do see where you are coming from, but I think that there is a disconnect between someone's private life and public performance, hence I do not have problem with watching Tom Cruise despite me disagreeing with his life style choices.

[Kirsten]

yeah the fact is we can all agree on the logical thought process, but that doesn't mean you can ignore the emotional response too. there is a disconnect of course, and everyone is aware of it, that doesn't mean you can just disregard it.

and tom cruise is just silly, we can all laugh at him.

[Psychosplodge]

I think that disconnect is probably greater or lesser for individuals... in terms of cults, a cult survivor might have more trouble with watching a tom cruise movie than someone who just thinks he's silly.

[Kirsten]

undoubtedly

[Deadlift]

I hope justice is served.
I do like their music and I do see where you are coming from, but I think that there is a disconnect between someone's private life and public performance, hence I do not have problem with watching Tom Cruise despite me disagreeing with his life style choices.

I think I maybe didn't put my thoughts into words correctly, I hope it's all unfounded untruths. If its proven he and these two others are guilty, then as you say I expect justice to be served.
And as much as I think sex offenders / kiddie fiddlers do get off too lightly during sentencing here in the UK, I also know that the time they serve can be made hell by the other inmates despite being on their own wing. Most of the screws are as vicious as the inmates when they feel justified.

[Mr Mystery]

Got to say though, when I first heard about this, I assumed it was a jailbait groupie type indiscretion - Not really excusable, but kind of understandable.

Then the report said under-13...and it all got a lot more sinister.

Now someone on here mentioned it may have an extremely young kid? Where did they hear that?

[Wolfshade]

Certainly, I figured that that was the case.

I had heard that also

[Psychosplodge]

It's on the BBC news website, my initial thoughts were along the same lines, if someones drinking at a venue you generally assume they're 18 or at least legal...but it doesn't look like that kind thing...

[Wolfshade]

Yup, snap

[Wildeybeast]

To clarify, he's in deep sh1t on this. He's already been charged and remanded into custody (http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/20796067). The fact he has been charged so soon after being arrested means they had pretty solid evidence when they arrested him, and that he has been remanded into custody means either he is a flight risk or poses a danger to the public. Given they could just take his passport, it's most probably the latter. And charges of possessing indecent images of children are normally made when you are, you know, found to be in possession of indecent images of children. Unless you have a damned good excuse for why they are on your comp, those are pretty open and shut cases. The charge of conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with a child under 13 may be harder for the prosecution to prove, I would not hold out much hope that these are unfounded allegations.

[Deadlift]

One of the charges "conspiring to have sex with a one year old girl" bloody right he should be refused bail.

[Mr Mystery]

Where is that charge mentioned? It's not on the BBC, the only news service worth a damn!

Not saying anyone here has made it up, just want to read the source.

[Kirsten]

it is on the BBC, was mentioned in the news article.

[Deadlift]

it is on the BBC, was mentioned in the news article.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/lostprophets-singer-ian-watkins-remanded-in-custody-after-appearing-in-court-accused-of-conspiring-to-rape-oneyearold-girl-8425042.html

Also here.

[Denzark]

Yet another time I strongly regret that 'pulling apart by cart horses' is not a punishment on the statute books.

[Mr Mystery]

Gruesome. I don't think I will ever understand the motivation behind such things.

But remember, innocent until proven guilty, no matter how likely convictionay seem.