Blackadder's FW Chaos Warhound Build

[Blackadder]

Blackadder's FW Chaos Warhound Build

I debated whether to append this to the Lucius scratchbuilt Warhound thread or start a new thread. There will be a side by side comparison of Lucie my scratchbuilt to the various components of an actual Forge World titan which should prove interesting and hopefully I will not be tearing out too much hair over grievous discrepancies.

I opted for the Chaos version because considering FW's propensity for less than perfect castings I figured this would be so much less noticeable on something that is supposed to be outrageously deformed.

That and I just think the Chaos version is the more interesting of the Mars Pattern.

I'll be posting images as soon as I get over the initial excitement of ownership of a real FW Warhound.

[fuzzbuket]

i cant wait :D out of curiosity why did you buy a warhound when the ones you make for a tenth of the cost look identical?

[SotonShades]

OOoo Lucy is getting an ugly sister? Very much looking forward to this :D

[Chris*ta]

I'd be interested in some side by side comparisons of the two. My (dim) recollection of your scratchbuilds is that they've been fairly excellent, though.

[Blackadder]

Thank you for that..............

Below is the initial opening of the shipment carton with the top sheet of bubble wrap removed. I suppose FW tested the durability of the various pieces of brittle resin and arrived at the optimum packaging and shipping procedure that all components survive the ministrations of the erstwhile UPS package handlers.

To the untrained eye the contents look like they were unceremoniously just dumped into the box.
http://i.imgur.com/vIdWF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/vIdWFl.jpg

Unpacking the container revealed the only thing reasonably protected was the instructions and certificate of ownership.
http://i.imgur.com/p3wCM.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/p3wCMl.jpg

[Blackadder]

i cant wait :D out of curiosity why did you buy a warhound when the ones you make for a tenth of the cost look identical?

I always coveted a FW original Chaos Titan and the price was so cheap I couldn't pass it up. Don't ask......... I don't want anyone slashing their wrists on my watch


OOoo Lucy is getting an ugly sister? Very much looking forward to this :D

The FW Chaos titan is probably the most interesting of the Warhounds and certainly than the Mars Pattern IMHO. Of course it is nowhere near as utilitarian as the Lucius pattern for the IG but it fits the Chaos scheme perfectly.

That said now onward............

Below is the initial opening of the shipment carton with the top sheet of bubble wrap removed. I suppose FW tested the durability of the various pieces of brittle resin and arrived at the optimum packaging and shipping procedure that all components survive the ministrations of the erstwhile UPS package handlers.

To the untrained eye the contents look like they were unceremoniously just dumped into the box.
http://i.imgur.com/vIdWF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/vIdWFl.jpg

Unpacking the container revealed the only thing reasonably protected was the instructions and certificate of ownership.
http://i.imgur.com/p3wCM.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/p3wCMl.jpg

[Blackadder]

The first order of business and to address something I am dying to know is how well did my best guesstimate of the size and shape of the weapons compare to a FW original? I had to use my best estimate in relative size for virtually all aspects of my scratchbuilt Wolf Warhound having never seen one in the flesh ..er ah resin that is and it has always been a source of consternation how Lucie would measure up to the real McCoy.

I know even from the pictures later acquired on the web that Lucie has more robust legs in cross-section than the regulation titan and that changes I made to the carapace and hull give her a more massive appearance but that was intentional. The major concern was the weapons, head, waist and feet.


http://i.imgur.com/70y20.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/70y20l.jpg

Well for the weapons at least........... aside from the caliber of the megabolter its a pretty good match


http://i.imgur.com/kb0Ik.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/kb0Ikl.jpg

I am very please that there is no significant discrepancy, whew!

[Blackadder]

An addenda to the last post, there is significant difference with my turbo laser compared to the FW original. It appears my laser's caliber is less than and (this really gets me) my infrared sight is longer?

Referring to the bottom view I had no image to go by so my detail is sparse compared to the real McCoy. But I think I can live with it.

http://i.imgur.com/6v0xz.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/6v0xzl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/6u38y.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/6u38yl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/sfmaO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/sfmaOl.jpg

More comparisons to follow even if they reveal further discrepancies.

:Blush

[Blackadder]

Since the image host I was using no longer supports my images I have to repost a lot of the lost work on this new host.

I took new pictures and am incorporating the renovation modifications to Lucie so as not to bore those that have seen the original posts

I am also including a side by side comparison with a FW original albeit a Chaos Mars Pattern bit the mechanical components are virtually the same.

http://i.imgur.com/6DG2V.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/6DG2Vl.jpg

First the head, the strange rings behind the head are the gymbal I made to allow the head to swivel back and forth and up and down a feature not included in the FW model but hey they included an interior!

Next a profile view of the neck mechanism and head with a relative size comparison:

http://i.imgur.com/zWG7g.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zWG7gl.jpg

Finally a closer view of the neck pieces, what the hey I took the picture why not post it:

http://i.imgur.com/EX6s4.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/EX6s4l.jpg

[Blackadder]

Well here it is; the first documented proof of insanity in my family. Not only have I purchased a Chaos Warhound for my son last Christmas but I bid and won one for myself just recently and to compound the mania I bid on a Lucius Pattern Wolf Warhound from Russia and I won that one as well. Someone stop me before I can no longer afford to support the national debt.............

Now I'm gonna have to sell my kids for scientific experiments............

On the plus side I do have a comparison of my scratch work to a real bona fide Lucius Pattern Warhound............

On the minus side there are discrepancies.

http://i.imgur.com/otufW.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/otufWl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/N0FiK
http://i.imgur.com/N0FiKl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/NYBk7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/NYBk7l.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/3RZZj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/3RZZjl.jpg

[Gir]

I know that colour resin.... that lucius is going to murder your scalpels, and it's very brittle.

[Blackadder]

I know that colour resin.... that lucius is going to murder your scalpels, and it's very brittle.

Ha I use industrial quality sheet-rock blades......... They cut through resin as if it were cheese..............

[Blackadder]

You know my position on forging and copyright violations and hell I don't even buy 'Luk' gasoline.

I looked the images over closely on ebay and other than the resin colour which FW used for some of their models (I have a FW Baneblade cast in Axson F16, resin that I'm sure isn't a forgery). I certainly didn't want a knockoff inferior casting.

If you look closely in the far right of the image there are what appears to be the conduits cast in black neoprene and the cooling compartment screen of the proper size and shape. as the original FW models used to come with; not cast resin as they do now.

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Warhammer-Forge-World-LUCIUS-PATTERN-WARHOUND-TITAN-WOLF-PLASMA-TURBO-LASER-/00/s/MTA4M1gxNjAw/$T2eC16J,!zUE9s38-I5FBQmRGomT8Q~~60_57.JPG

On receiving the model my son and I inspected the pieces carefully for evidence of recasting but: all the pieces were there, were crisp edged, not warped, and fit perfectly together with no bubbles or missing detail (Hmmm that should have been a clue; FW models don't ever arrive like that.)

If its a copy its damned better than the average original.

I took it to be that someone bought it a while ago, saw it was beyond their modeling ability and wisely put it aside instead of botching it up and finally decided to liquidate it for financial reasons.

Now I see that theres another from the same seller using exactly the same image..............

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Warhammer-Forge-World-LUCIUS-PATTERN-WARHOUND-TITAN-WOLF-PLASMA-TURBO-LASER-/251191546051?pt=Games_US&hash=item3a7c2ed0c3

which has aroused my suspicions.

Other than the weird colour (the actual model is a much more beige hue similar to the production Baneblade) What is it to you that indicates it is an illegal cast :question:?.

[Mystery.Shadow]

For starters, the components are not in Forge World bags. All of my Forge World purchases have come in those thick Forge World zip-lock bags.

Sorry, the only pic I have....
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee221/Mystarian/02170004.jpg?t=1329490190

I've seen some of the Forge World resin come in lighter and darker colors, but not that beige that yours appears to be.

Model purchased at the old Baltimore Battle Bunker.
Color reference:
http://album.warpshadow.com/v/HiveFleetMysteryShadow/Hierophant/01011226.JPG.html

Seeing that those auctions are coming from Russia, I would suspect that it's a cast.

You might try contacting Forge World directly and asking them about it. (And send them a link to the auction as well!)

[kidcanada41]

Sorry to burst your bubble... I've bought items from that seller before and they are recasts. Very well done ones I admit.

[SotonShades]

I have had that yellow resin from FW before, though only on smaller kits like Aeronautica aircraft. Mystery.Shadow is right about the FW branded bags though. Don't think I have ever had any FW kits without those.

Now comes the moral question; what do you do with the actual kit? No point returning it so the seller can sell it again. Do you build it, knowing it's not an actual FW model which will always be the case any time you look at her? Obviously, without any moral ambiguity you should inform eBay about the seller as it's against their policy (not that it stops many people) to sell mislabelled knock offs. Telling FW is certainly a good idea, but even IF they manage to do anything about it from a legal stand point (not sure on how well Russian authorities deal with copyright infringements like this) it won't stop the guy closing down that eBay account, starting another and doing the exact same thing.

Then again, if he is doing a better job of casting than FW, maybe we all should be buying from him :P

[Blackadder]

As I stated on another forum the lack of bags is not an issue. The first thing I did was inspect and inventory all the pieces and seal them categorized in zip lock bags. anyone receiving a shipment from FW I advise to do the same.
Regarding quality the pieces are first rate and fit together with a minimum of sanding; much better than any other FW model I have. The seller doesn't accept returns and although I don't approve of copies I did pay a fair amount of money for thinking it was a genuine albeit early production run product; note the neoprene conduit; FW ships resin conduit with their current models.

The text in the ebay page did imply that the model was from FW originally giving the artist and designer by name.

[xNickBaranx]

As I stated on another forum the lack of bags is not an issue. The first thing I did was inspect and inventory all the pieces and seal them categorized in zip lock bags. anyone receiving a shipment from FW I advise to do the same.
Regarding quality the pieces are first rate and fit together with a minimum of sanding; much better than any other FW model I have. The seller doesn't accept returns and although I don't approve of copies I did pay a fair amount of money for thinking it was a genuine albeit early production run product; note the neoprene conduit; FW ships resin conduit with their current models.

The text in the ebay page did imply that the model was from FW originally giving the artist and designer by name.

Your titan is most likely recast, but I did want to note that I have some FW models that have been waiting for paint for over 10 years that have discolored over time to that gnarly yellow color. I just want to add that to the discussion. Its like they morphed from FW to Armorcast products in my closet over time.

[Blackadder]

Its time gentlemen for another helpful hint from Héloise AKA the Blackadder.

Today regarding a bit kitchen esoterica known as a 'melon baller'. This device serves the useless purpose of gouging out spheroid shaped lumps of melon thereby rendering half the consumable portion melon as waste and also eliminating the hazard of a diner cutting his mouth on a sharp edged piece of melon that has been cut into bite-sized but unsightly non-standardized cubes.

http://i.imgur.com/9ltbSl.jpg

Let us now see if this rather superfluous device can be employed to a useful purpose.

As you know I am pathologically fixated on making the joints of my model movable (for whatever purpose but the fun is in stimulating my brain cells with these little problems).

I have searched the hardware stores for thin hollow steel spheres to incorporate into the articulated sockets of the various pieces of model joints.

While clearing out the kitchen drawer I found this little gadget that I don't believe I have ever seen used.

What ho sayeth I, the very thing I seek what's more they are readily available in dollar stores, Amazon and ebay all for a couple of buck each including shipping............ I found the yellow handled one for $1.25 plus shipping $1.63

Just the thing to partner the rare earth magnets installed in the opposite component of the socket.

http://i.imgur.com/PG5KD.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/PG5KDl.jpg

BTW the brown smutchz in the cup is rust.......... Rust is good; it means the steel is magnetic.

i.imgur.com/CKjgC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CKjgCl.jpg



keep you eyes open and check wifey's equipment stash. She may have just what you are looking for............. Ahem..........

[Mystery.Shadow]

You know my position on forging and copyright violations...

Just a thought, but did your Titan come with a 'Certificate of Authenticity' ? I know those can be easily faked too, but it's one more thing that most forgeries don't come with!