Primarch Prowess Rankings continued

[DrWobbles]

A Lounge member by the name of Plawolf posted an article earlier that seemed interesting and fun to discuss. Unfortunately it was rudely closed by the mod Tzeentch's Dark Agent. This is my effort to continue the conversation started here. (http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?26152-Primarch-prowess-rankings)


A message to TDA,
There is no good reason to slam the door in the face of a well thought out discussion. Who cares if was discussed before, there is a constant flow of new material pumped out by the black library and if you don't want to join the discussion then don't! Certainly don't prevent other people from joining it either.
To be honest you're the biggest reason i don't visit the lounge as frequently as i used to. Your constant banter drags down interesting topics and eventually devolves into personal conversations completely unrelated to the original post. Hell, you even proudly claim you're the 'horseman of derailment.' Normally, i'll just leave the website when i notice the disease that is you rear its ugly mug, but your slap in the face to plawolf was too much of a power trip to ignore.

I know a lot of you will call me a troll and say things like 'haters are gonna hate' but TDA needs to hear this. And this concludes my attempt to clean up the Lounge.

[Wolfshade]

Please see: http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?25035-Which-primarch-is-the-best-fighter/

[Wolfshade]

Also: http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?7250-Who-is-the-cockiest-of-the-Marine-Primarches&highlight=primarch+ranking

[Wolfshade]

In addition: http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/entry.php?28-The-Coolest-Primarch

[DrWobbles]

Please see: http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?25035-Which-primarch-is-the-best-fighter/

Beautiful. Now that is an appropriate response to a topic that has been discussed before.

[Wolfshade]

Beautiful. Now that is an appropriate response to a topic that has been discussed before.

Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not :/

[Psychosplodge]

Probably requires tags...

It will probably descend into warseeresque squabbles...

[DrWobbles]

Nope. If TDA did what you just did i would have never posted. I think the problem stems from Lounge members that more or less live on this site have little to no patience for newcomers or members that don't frequent the forums regularly.

I generally thank you for those links.

[Wolfshade]

You're welcome in that case.

[Rapture]

The idea of that person closing a thread based on its merits is almost laughably ironic.

If the discussion is ripe, it will be discussed. If not, such an innocent topic will simply sink like a rock and be forgotten without bothering anyone.

[OrksOrksOrks]

Closing a thread about a topic that already has a thread going on is fine, its good practice to keep a forum clean and streamlined, the way TDA did it was, fittingly, childish.

He's a child and he is rude and impertinent because of that. He clearly favours some posters over others and not in a way that helps to build community, had eldargal started the thread about Primarch prowess, no doubt he'd be agreeing with everything she said in the thread right now.

He's not a good moderator at all. He'll probably ban me for this.

[Deadlift]

Hi there Doc :)

I love a good chin wag about the primarchs as much as anyone and I will always maintain that which ever primarch is my favorite, is the best lol. Unfortunately I have this problem where I really like them all for the most part.
I see them all as being different facets of the Emperors persona with each having their own strengths in areas they were specialised in.
This is why I find it so hard to stick to one chapter for very long. For the most part any loyalist legion has caught my eye at one time or another.

As for TDA, don't be so hard on him. He is a good guy and a friend. We may not always agree with a Mods decision, but for the best part I think he does a good job. The derailment thing was a joke and one that's run it's course. Hell if it weren't for these self same horseman ( you know who you are ;) ) then the forums would be a lot quieter and lacking the "fun" factor.

I don't want to see this as an attack on your OP, you have a point of view. Fair enough. But let's talk some more about primarchs. Today I think Leman Russ is my favorite and therefor most powerful, after all he did hand Magnus his arse didn't he.

[magickbk]

had eldargal started the thread about Primarch prowess

Had EG started it, it would be an old thread, and she would resurrect it when new information became available.

TDA keeps things pretty clean around here, and doesn't really interfere at a mod level with too much going on. Rarely will you see the mod voice drop pod assault on something. Look at other forums online, and see how active mods are at policing their communities.

It can also become tedious for those on the forums who have been around a long time to rehash the same points over and over. That's why it is helpful for someone like yourself to find the existing conversations, and threadomancy them to add your points and let the thread pick back up.

Having said all that, the Primarchs are relatively evenly matched with no outside influences. For example, Leman Russ is considered a better warrior than Lion El'Jonson, but the two fought to a stalemate, yet The Lion was able to knock Leman Russ unconscious with a single blow when he was unprepared. One could argue that no pre-heresy conflict between Primarchs was a fair test, because none would use obviously lethal force, and no post-heresy conflict is a fair test due to Daemonic gifts.

So obviously, Lion El'Jonson is the best.

[Rapture]

The boards have not been 'clean' lately. They have been littered with inane, immature, and completely random chatter that floods the threads and breaks up the discussions. The mod doesn't interfere because he is one of the primary sources of the static.

I don't care if people like turning conversations that others are having into their own personal IM sessions, but to allow that kind of silliness and then obnoxiously shut down a thread for the simple sin that another like it ended a month ago shows how giving 'authority' to certain people can be a serious mistake.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Would you like this responsibility Rapture? Would you?

Firstly, yes, I accept the fact that I do talk about other things on threads, and that I do that a lot. I apologise for trying to be light-hearted. Personally, I would rather have a fun conversation than one that's constantly an argument, because for one simple reason; I see how it affects people's behaviour outside of that argument.
However much you may say that you have broad shoulders you don't. That argument will affect you, whether you say it does or not.
There are at least a dozen arguments on here daily, and when you come and moan to me about it I look into it and resolve it for you.
Rapture, you yourself have reported people for being rude, and I have followed up those claims and dealt with them MYSELF. So please, before you start slandering me, think about what I'm doing in the background.

Ta,


Agent


EDIT: A notice to all those who have defended me, thank you, but it is not necessary.

2ND EDIT: OrksOrksOrks, that opinion is a shame, I used to overlook things that you posted because I thought you were cool.
Remember, I will do unto you as you do unto me.

[wittdooley]

2ND EDIT: OrksOrksOrks, that opinion is a shame, I used to overlook things that you posted because I thought you were cool.
Remember, I will do unto you as you do unto me.

I think you need to avoid this. As a mod, you really need to be as impartial as you can in regards to "censoring" and closing threads. I'd hate for the moderation of these forums to become as biased as some of the other ones.

With that being said, I think, for the most part, your intent is right in many of the hobby related threads. I do, however, think in the Obliette you need to be a bit more liberal in your interpretation of when a thread needs closing. There have been heated, but very civil, discourses shut down in the Obliette regarding politics and topically relevant material because, I think, you fear them getting out of hand.

Contrarily, I think our Obliette is one of the most even "political" forums on the net; we have a solid mix of folks from all backgrounds that are usually able to provide informed discourse without becoming too volatile. It's actually why I like to discuss it here; I think we have a good group.

So simply, I'd encourage you, if at all possible, to always take the high road as a mod and to be a bit more judicious in the political threads you close. :D Cheers!

[Psychosplodge]

I think we have generally moved most of the major tangents to their own thread really...

[Rapture]

Would you like this responsibility Rapture? Would you?

Firstly, yes, I accept the fact that I do talk about other things on threads, and that I do that a lot. I apologise for trying to be light-hearted. Personally, I would rather have a fun conversation than one that's constantly an argument, because for one simple reason; I see how it affects people's behaviour outside of that argument.
However much you may say that you have broad shoulders you don't. That argument will affect you, whether you say it does or not.
There are at least a dozen arguments on here daily, and when you come and moan to me about it I look into it and resolve it for you.
Rapture, you yourself have reported people for being rude, and I have followed up those claims and dealt with them MYSELF. So please, before you start slandering me, think about what I'm doing in the background.

Ta,


Agent


EDIT: A notice to all those who have defended me, thank you, but it is not necessary.
Would I? Would I? What does whether I would or would not assume a position that I find to be unrewarding have to do with anything?

I do report people who flood other reasonable forum members with thoughtless attacks. I do it only because I don't like having to read what unreasonable people have to say. And, you should deal with them yourself, as that is the responsibility of the position that you volunteered for.

I certainly do not 'moan' to you when I am in an argument. If I am arguing, it is because I think I am right. Your support is the last thing that anyone would want when they are trying make a reasonable argument.


2ND EDIT: OrksOrksOrks, that opinion is a shame, I used to overlook things that you posted because I thought you were cool.

Remember, I will do unto you as you do unto me.
The emphasis is mine. Here I am, wasting my time stating how you are childish, a toady, and unsuited to hold any responsibility. If I had know that you would just come on here and admit it, I would not even have bothered.

Edit: I forgot to give my deepest condolences to OrksOrksOrks on the death of his 'Cool Kid' status. Check you mail for a card. Stay strong.

2nd Edit: Using the word 'slander' implies a falsehood, nothing negative that has been said about you is untrue.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Yep, I'm unresponsible. What up?

Sorry for, y'know, making friends with people here. Maybe I should resort to being a Social Pariah?


Now you see, if you had simply worded it like Wittdooley did, then I might consider your statement. But no, you've just come out on an all-out attack against me.

[magickbk]

regarding politics

Not to go off on a tangent, but there is a store roughly three minutes away from my work, which would otherwise be the most convenient shopping location to me for hobby and supplies and the perfect place to get a quick game in after work. On at least three separate occasions, I ran in there looking for a quick paint or glue and encountered a political argument so repulsive that I stopped going there entirely. I hate when politics invades my escapist hobby. Except when someone on this forum posted an immense eagle pic that I had to scroll several screens over to see in response to a post. That was hilarious.

[Rapture]

Yep, I'm unresponsible. What up?
Your statements speak for themselves.


Now you see, if you had simply worded it like Wittdooley did, then I might consider your statement. But no, you've just come out on an all-out attack against me.
He is clearly much more gentle than I am, but it is nice to see you still stroking people regardless of the situation. You must have forearms like Popeye.

[wittdooley]

Not to go off on a tangent, but there is a store roughly three minutes away from my work, which would otherwise be the most convenient shopping location to me for hobby and supplies and the perfect place to get a quick game in after work. On at least three separate occasions, I ran in there looking for a quick paint or glue and encountered a political argument so repulsive that I stopped going there entirely. I hate when politics invades my escapist hobby. Except when someone on this forum posted an immense eagle pic that I had to scroll several screens over to see in response to a post. That was hilarious.

Oh, I don't know if I'd want to do it at an LGS either; that's why I think a forum like this is a pretty solid place. When I've started them, I try to title them appropriately so no one 'stumbles' into them. Additionally, I make every attempt to be reasonable and, above all, open to other viewpoints.

Remember everyone: You catch more flies with honey than vinegar. And it tastes better.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

You must have forearms like Popeye.

Why thank you, you are such a gent. I have been working out lately, glad to see that it's being appreciated. :D

[Rapture]

Bad jokes are a terrible way to change the subject.

I was referring to your need to ingratiate yourself with people who you think are 'cool' or will support you. It is not a desirable characteristic, especially in a forum moderator. It creates and promotes the bias that you yourself just admitted to having and being influenced by.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I'm not influenced, I tell people like Psychosplodge or EldarGal off for their comments or derailments or whatever. I do it discreetly, like I do everyone.
Why would I call someone out and embarrass them like that? That's harsh. No, I prefer to have a quiet word.

[Rapture]

Really?


2ND EDIT: OrksOrksOrks, that opinion is a shame, I used to overlook things that you posted because I thought you were cool.

You cannot squirm out of what you just said a few minutes ago.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Oh trust me, I overlook more than I should, I just casually cover it up most of the time because it leads to less arguments.

For example; given the amount of complaints that I have received regarding your behaviour, I could have easily banned you. I have not.

[Rapture]

Shifting the focus of the scrutiny is also a terrible way to change the subject.

Please. The number of complaints is indicative of nothing, it is the nature of the complaints and the actual conduct that matters. If you had a legitimate reason to ban me, then you should have. The same goes for anyone else. The fact that you did not shows that my activity was perfectly in line with what is acceptable. I participate in the most heated discussions, but I have not, to my recollection, been directly reprimanded.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I hardly think that insulting someone's beliefs was appropriate, but hardly ban worthy.

Anyway, I am done talking. Trying to play Halo 4 here...

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxx907UEmj1qlrl04o1_500.jpg

[Rapture]

You did nothing to defend your blatantly inappropriate action and did not address any of the criticism regarding your admittedly inappropriate conduct. The best you can do is a cat picture?

Even seeing some of you behavior up to this point, I am still surprised.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

What do you not understand about the phrase "I am trying to play Halo 4"?

Why should I justify myself to someone who already has a closed mind towards my actions? That's like trying to convince George Lucas to stop tweaking his plotlines...

[Psychosplodge]

The best you can do is a cat picture?


What else is the internet for? :D

[Rapture]

I didn't make you respond. If you are done talking, then be done talking. Under normal circumstance, I am sure that you saying that would result in a chorus of angels.

It is just that you were incredibly rude to some person who simply wanted to BS about his favorite fictional characters. Then, you admitted to letting your friends have enhanced privileges on the forum. I am not close minded. If you have an excuse or a justification, feel free to expose it. Everything you have said so far has been nothing more than poor attempts at deflection.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

*sigh* When a naggling little notification keeps popping up on my phone it's a little hard to ignore...
And yes, Angels are always around me, of course. :rolleyes:

Enhanced privileges? You say that like I let them have drinks on the house constantly...
What exactly do you think I'm letting them get away with? My friends are not rude to people, we have a laugh about off topic things, and keep most of it in it's own Off-Topic thread. Also, as previously pointed out, we will use the search bar to add to old posts.

There isn't a fat lot for them to actually get away with, I reel them in when they get out of line.

EDIT: I've also come off of Halo because you've wound me up.

[Psychosplodge]

Halo sucks anyway.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

It's servers do at the moment... Gods damn it.

Who'd have thought that the Multiplayer would get raided by everyone within a day of it's release? :p

[Psychosplodge]

Well it doesn't sell for it's riveting plot now does it?

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

You say that.... I think 4 has a really ace plot!

Anyway, let's move this to the Off-Topic thread or something.

[Psychosplodge]

I think we've already covered halo 4 at least twice :p

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Have we? I don't remember.... We discuss that many things... :p

[DarkLink]

He's not a good moderator at all. He'll probably ban me for this.

Yeah, he must be a really bad moderator after all, he hasn't even seen your post to ban you yet:rolleyes:. Slacking on the job.

Edit: I need to scrounge money from somewhere to get Halo 4.

[DrWobbles]

Hey TDA, why don't yo take this video game discussion to the VIDEO GAME LOUNGE!!?!! For fck sake you just don't get it.

[White Tiger88]

Yeah, he must be a really bad moderator after all, he hasn't even seen your post to ban you yet:rolleyes:. Slacking on the job.

Edit: I need to scrounge money from somewhere to get Halo 4.

He is just busy working on those popeye arms........Also i think we need to set up an intervention for him about his Master Chiefing problem.

[Wildeybeast]

A Lounge member by the name of Plawolf posted an article earlier that seemed interesting and fun to discuss. Unfortunately it was rudely closed by the mod Tzeentch's Dark Agent. This is my effort to continue the conversation started here. (http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?26152-Primarch-prowess-rankings)


A message to TDA,
There is no good reason to slam the door in the face of a well thought out discussion. Who cares if was discussed before, there is a constant flow of new material pumped out by the black library and if you don't want to join the discussion then don't! Certainly don't prevent other people from joining it either.
To be honest you're the biggest reason i don't visit the lounge as frequently as i used to. Your constant banter drags down interesting topics and eventually devolves into personal conversations completely unrelated to the original post. Hell, you even proudly claim you're the 'horseman of derailment.' Normally, i'll just leave the website when i notice the disease that is you rear its ugly mug, but your slap in the face to plawolf was too much of a power trip to ignore.

I know a lot of you will call me a troll and say things like 'haters are gonna hate' but TDA needs to hear this. And this concludes my attempt to clean up the Lounge.


Hey TDA, why don't yo take this video game discussion to the VIDEO GAME LOUNGE!!?!! For fck sake you just don't get it.

I thought this was thread about Primarch powers? TDA abuse threads should be down in the Oubilette where they belong. This has nothing to do with 40k background. TDA. please close this thread or at least move it to somewhere more appropriate.

[Psychosplodge]

He is just busy working on those popeye arms........Also i think we need to set up an intervention for him about his Master Chiefing problem.
He'll get hackers back if he carries on hunching over a control pad like that...

[alshrive]

Remember everyone: You catch more flies with honey than vinegar. And it tastes better.

depends, personal preference is vinegar on my chips, honey on my parsnips though....

[OrksOrksOrks]

Yeah, he must be a really bad moderator after all, he hasn't even seen your post to ban you yet:rolleyes:. Slacking on the job.

Edit: I need to scrounge money from somewhere to get Halo 4.


If I hadn't called him out on it and others joined in, I imagine I would have been, politically, he can't now. But, you all saw him threaten me, next time he gets a chance in a few weeks time, he will, he just said that.

[OrksOrksOrks]

And I am cool, this is known :cool:

[Psychosplodge]

And I am cool, this is known :cool:

Apart from when it comes to carrier bags :p

[alshrive]

just a point that this thread has got completely out of hand and is just filled with rage. There seems to be no further point in the continuation of this thread and i don't see why people can't just let it be. OrksOrksOrks if you truly believe yourself to be the bigger of the two parties involved in this just walk away and stop propogating this thread- to be honest you are coming across as you simply must have the last word and when you are arguing that The Mod is immature i am pretty sure this undermines your point. just leave it and let's all get back to our plastic crack.

[Wildeybeast]

If I hadn't called him out on it and others joined in, I imagine I would have been, politically, he can't now. But, you all saw him threaten me, next time he gets a chance in a few weeks time, he will, he just said that.

Actually, he didn't threaten you. He pointed out that he has in fact been lenient with you as way of a warning to your future conduct. Look, it's here in black and white:


Oh trust me, I overlook more than I should, I just casually cover it up most of the time because it leads to less arguments.

For example; given the amount of complaints that I have received regarding your behaviour, I could have easily banned you. I have not.

Perhaps you should heed the warning and stop clogging up the background thread with this nonsense. I repeat again, if you really want to whine about him, do it in the Oubliette (he's even started a thread where you can do just that :p). Or better still, lodge a sensible and reasoned complaint with the other mods who will deal with him as they see fit.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

And with that I believe we are done.

Thread closed.