New HH graphic novel

[Psychosplodge]

'I'm going to make this the best graphic novel I've ever read. It's going to be a $500,000,000 movie in your hands.'

-Neil Roberts on the announcement of the first Horus Heresy graphic novel at the Black Library Weekender.

FFS Does anyone else think the cost to time spent reading ratio of graphic novels makes them poor value, yet at the same time not want to miss more chunks of the heresy?

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I will buy it anyway, I'm a sucker for shiny.

[Gotthammer]

It depends how far on the novel scale they take it. I'm a concept art junkie, so if it's packed with detail and character like Halo Jones I'll be all over it. If it's sumptuous art, I'll buy for the pretty pictures, but if it's just a cartoony bolter-porn 'epic' I'll likely pass.

[Psychosplodge]

Unfortunately so am I.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

True that...

[Mr Mystery]

All I can say is....

Thank you Sir, may I have another?

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

No, not allowed

[MaltonNecromancer]

Does anyone else think the cost to time spent reading ratio of graphic novels makes them poor value?

No.

I can't believe I'm having to defend an art form on these forums again. Last week it was rap. This week it's comics. Next week'll be computer games. The week after that it'll be Shakespeare. Can we not just stop attacking artistic mediums wholesale, and just attack individual pieces of art?

Graphic novels can do things novels can't. Novels can do things graphic novels can't. Just like games, films, rpgs, etc... they are simply another method of telling a story. The only difference is the way they interact with our emotions, and the way they tease out those emotional responses.

If uou want to understand more fully the way that sequential art is a storytelling medium that literally cannot be duplicated by novel or film, then I strongly recommend reading Scott McCloud's "Understanding Comics" (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Understanding-Comics-The-Invisible-Art/dp/006097625X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1352121192&sr=8-1).

If it's just the case that you're not happy with a book unless it's nine inches thick, full of "worldbuilding" (the herpes of speculative fiction), and takes a good month to get through, well, that's a question of your taste in literature, rather than an issue with the medium of comics (Also, there are comic books like that: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bone-One-1-Jeff-Smith/dp/188896314X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1352121505&sr=1-1). Some of the best books I've ever read have been comics I finished in an hour. Didn't lessen their impact at all; didn't leave me feeling cheated at all.

Comics, like 40K, are expensive. Deal with it.

[Psychosplodge]

It's a personnel viewpoint is all, it was a question, you're free to disagree, I personally enjoy reading them. But I'll only ever borrow them as a rule as I can't bear to pay for something I can generally finish in less than a hour.

I have quite a collection of herpes of fiction it would seem :p

[pauljc]

It's a personnel viewpoint is all, it was a question, you're free to disagree, I personally enjoy reading them. But I'll only ever borrow them as a rule as I can't bear to pay for something I can generally finish in less than a hour.

I have quite a collection of herpes of fiction it would seem :p

Sooo.. you want to read them, but not pay for the work that went into them?

[Psychosplodge]

It's part of the heresy. If I can go to the library and borrow it I will. I borrow the GF's manga, but I'd never buy it as I read too fast, It's just poor investment of limited funds to me.

[Deadlift]

Sounds great to me, I love a good comic. Throwing in some artwork with HH story tellings all good for me. You never know it might open the doors to a wider audience. The Walking Dead comics did just that. Currently enjoying Elephentmen which is another comic about to get the big screen treatment. This could be the start of bringing 40k (30k in this instance) to the masses and eventually the silver screen. I live in hope :)

[eldargal]

What MaltonNecromancer said. Mediums don't kill people, shoddy execution in that medium kill people.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

What MaltonNecromancer said. Mediums don't kill people, shoddy execution in that medium kill people.

This

[Mr Mystery]

This

Except rap. Which refuses to kill itself.

*runs away*

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh deaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrr..........

[Gotthammer]

I lol'd :D

[Deadlift]

Except rap. Which refuses to kill itself.

*runs away*

But then you would miss out on some great lyrics :)


Guns dont kill people rappers do,
Ask any politican and they'll tell you its true,
Its a fact music makes you violent,
Like Michael Jackson telling little Timmy to be silent,
You don't believe me? Heres my hype,
Offer me the record and i'll show you the type,
Of criminal this rap **** is breedin,
Its a fact that MC Hammer left me bleedin,
Vanilla Ice made my mother say '****',
If I stuck with UB40 then I woulda been in luck,
But I didn't I got it wrong,
Cypress ****ing Hill told me to make a ****ing bong,
So I started, I bought another tape,
The Power by Snap made my **** and balls ache,
So remember kids from the head double tap,
Guns don't kill people its just rap!

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Yep.

[Mr Mystery]

Meh. Post early 90's it disappeared up it's own arse, and hasn't been seen since :p

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Ah well.

[iheartgrimdark]

http://www.blacklibrary.com/Blog/a-horus-heresy-announcement.html

[Gotthammer]

Speach bubbles don't gel with the art IMO.

Probably wait for general release rather than hardback. 100 pages isn't too shabby at least.

[iheartgrimdark]

I like the idea as long as they don't suck. At least if Neil Roberts does the art in all the books the quality should be consistent. As long as his panels are not too cluttered, some of his covers can be a touch busy. Also, seeing as Abnett nailed KNF the story could make worth a punt on its own.

[fuzzbuket]

"its all about over the limit, and at the same time pushing those bounds.
yo you all dont want a quick fix, thats why you still see us around,
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i feel it in the air you can never stop my swing cause im
anywhere and everywhere,
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deep and thoughtful lyrics from forigen beggars- anywhere http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fuzzbukets-mini-mayhem/205058072843816?ref=hl

[Psychosplodge]

That's a terrible font size.

[Durendin]

Dragging this back on topic by the scruff of its neck...!

Neil Roberts is a great artist and if this is going to be a full on novel with artwork similar to the stuff he's done for the Horus Heresy covers then I'd happily give a right arm for it. Not my right arm, of course. Plenty going around and no point wasting a good one!

Anyway, google him and tell me you don't want it?

[david5th]

From what I've seen of it, it does look amazing.

[Wildeybeast]

No.

I can't believe I'm having to defend an art form on these forums again. Last week it was rap. This week it's comics. Next week'll be computer games. The week after that it'll be Shakespeare. Can we not just stop attacking artistic mediums wholesale, and just attack individual pieces of art?

Graphic novels can do things novels can't. Novels can do things graphic novels can't. Just like games, films, rpgs, etc... they are simply another method of telling a story. The only difference is the way they interact with our emotions, and the way they tease out those emotional responses.

If uou want to understand more fully the way that sequential art is a storytelling medium that literally cannot be duplicated by novel or film, then I strongly recommend reading Scott McCloud's "Understanding Comics" (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Understanding-Comics-The-Invisible-Art/dp/006097625X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1352121192&sr=8-1).

If it's just the case that you're not happy with a book unless it's nine inches thick, full of "worldbuilding" (the herpes of speculative fiction), and takes a good month to get through, well, that's a question of your taste in literature, rather than an issue with the medium of comics (Also, there are comic books like that: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bone-One-1-Jeff-Smith/dp/188896314X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1352121505&sr=1-1). Some of the best books I've ever read have been comics I finished in an hour. Didn't lessen their impact at all; didn't leave me feeling cheated at all.

Comics, like 40K, are expensive. Deal with it.

Agree entirely. Something like V for Vendetta is excellent literature full stop, regardless of the pretty pictures. I see graphic novels as the modern evolution of illustrated manuscripts and no one would deride them as not being culturally satisfying. Remember, mankind has been telling stories with pictures long before we did so with letters.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I liked "The Boys", that was a good comic/graphic novel.

[Wildeybeast]

Not heard of that, who's it by/what's it about?