Death of the Landraider?

[Judgeman]

Hey guys!

With 6th edition in full swing I've begun to notice a distinct lack of landraider in all of the lists that I have written so far and even in my local game store landraiders have seemingly become extinct. So I was just wondering if the hit vechices took has killed the AV14 beast or if they are still as useful as they always were? If they are still as useful could anyone suggest a points value they are worth taking at?

[Lost Vyper]

I´m playing Eldar and i never hit them with Bright Lances (twin-linked), so they are still a threat :). But in our club CSM is still running with one, Space Wolves too, Blood Angels seem to rely more on Storm Raven now days thou...if i got around playing CSM again, i might not get one.

[Caitsidhe]

The Land Raider was largely extinct in 5th Edition. The proliferation of weaponry that kills them along with the steep price made them poor choices in most competitive lists. It would be more accurate to say that the Land Raider was already endangered if not extinct; 6th Edition simply did nothing to help bring them back.

[DarkLink]

In 5th, Land Raiders kinda sucked because everyone spammed meltaguns. Now, there might be one or two in the whole army. People have stopped taking the tools to kill Land Raiders for the most part.

[Caitsidhe]

In 5th, Land Raiders kinda sucked because everyone spammed meltaguns. Now, there might be one or two in the whole army. People have stopped taking the tools to kill Land Raiders for the most part.

I've run into this logic before. Please allow me to refute. Just because it "might not" rain doesn't make me waterproof. :) Everyone in my area still spams the hell out of Dark Lances, Melta-Guns, and Lascannons. Land Raiders are no more viable now than they were before.

[Sainhann]

Yes the Hull point rules probably did not help the Landraider out plus Melta Guns kills Marines so many players will still take them.

Plus the point cost is huge which is more than likely the biggest reason since there are many things that can the same job but does not cost as much.

[Kawauso]

I've run into this logic before. Please allow me to refute. Just because it "might not" rain doesn't make me waterproof. :) Everyone in my area still spams the hell out of Dark Lances, Melta-Guns, and Lascannons. Land Raiders are no more viable now than they were before.

Lances and lascannons aren't really that reliable when it comes to taking out Land Raiders, though. You need a -lot- of them, barring some lucky rolls. I don't think hull points have hurt vehicles as much as some people are saying - in particular Land Raiders with their 4 and high AV are still pretty tough.

Not saying they shouldn't ever be used against Land Raiders - just that I don't see them as much of a deterrent from taking them. But I can't speak for your local meta - I've just found that even with meltaguns (which are pretty reliable at taking AV14 within 6") Land Raiders are still quite hardy a lot of the time.
I've never played in a competitive tournament-style setting, though.

[Kyban]

Lances and lascannons aren't really that reliable when it comes to taking out Land Raiders, though. You need a -lot- of them, barring some lucky rolls. I mean, lances in particular are counting on 6s to knock off a hull point.
Which lances? The lance rule drops it to AV12.

[Kawauso]

Which lances? The lance rule drops it to AV12.

Bright or dark - and yeah, I had a brain fart - I'm going to have to ammend that.