Why is it we can have disgusting looking models but not boobies?

[RGilbert26]

Has anyone else noticed that GW has increased the amount of 'disgusting' models it has to compensate for the fact that they can't have too many boobies on their models?

Here are three of the most recent examples of this...

Nurgle Plaguebears - http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1630117a

Nurglings - http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440044a&prodId=prod1630129a

...and the one of the most 'disgusting' models i have ever seen (i actually love the model, it just gurgles EWW!)
Festus the Leechlord - http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440004a&prodId=prod1710150a

When you look at the opposite side of the table, Slaanesh just seems tame.

Has anyone else noticed this trend?

[gcsmith]

Has anyone else noticed that GW has increased the amount of 'disgusting' models it has to compensate for the fact that they can't have too many boobies on their models?

Here are three of the most recent examples of this...

Nurgle Plaguebears - http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1630117a

Nurglings - http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440044a&prodId=prod1630129a

...and the one of the most 'disgusting' models i have ever seen (i actually love the model, it just gurgles EWW!)
Festus the Leechlord - http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440004a&prodId=prod1710150a

When you look at the opposite side spectrum, Slaanesh seems a bit tame.

Has anyone else noticed this trend?


It's like Holywood, you can show teens a guy being decapitated but not a breast or extra leg. :D

[daboarder]

Death is easier to sell to parents when the media is already saturated with it.

The old slaanesh was pretty full on, and personally I'm starting a bits army that tries to bring a bit of that back.

[Psychosplodge]

Yeah there used to be some really good daemonettes.

but oh noes not bewbs!

[wittdooley]

Festus is so awesome. Haha. Also, good looking females are harder to sculpt than pustules and gross ****.

[DarkDesigner]

Yeah there used to be some really good daemonettes.

but oh noes not bewbs!

Yeah, the old Juan Diaz sculpts were the pinnacle of Slaanesh's power. They got everything right and never should have been retired. It's taken me ages to get enough to do the daemonette army I'm building.

I think boobs are the reason they're not repeating the Slaanesh Lord in Finecast alongside the other three chaos warrior models.

Although the blurb in the latest white dwarf for the Marauder Hellstriders did make me laugh when it described the Steeds of Slaanesh as having 'udders'. Just cause there's only one in the middle of it's chest, it's still boobs. Although I guess it's a step back in the right direction.

[Psychosplodge]

Yeah, the old Juan Diaz sculpts were the pinnacle of Slaanesh's power. They got everything right and never should have been retired.

Yes they're the ones. I agree 100%

[inquisitorsog]

in the US we now have decaying zombies in candy commercials. Nurgle is tame. The commercials for silent hill revelation show things that even 10 years ago would have been extreme.

[Kawauso]

Just chiming in to say I agree, and it's stupid how afraid society (in particular American society - and by extension societies whose media has been affected by a lot of Americanization - like Canada's) is of human anatomy.

Well, anatomy in general, I guess - it's not like any of the animals/creatures in any GW ranges are anatomically correct.
I suppose it's just a lot more apparent/perplexing when the daemons representing a god of lust and hedonism are no less modest than anyone else where nudity is concerned.

[fuzzbuket]

because it is easier to sell zombie daemons than sex demons.

[RGilbert26]

I would have thought something with lots of boobies would sell well? Or is it just me?

[eldargal]

Why do you need breasts? It's a wargame, not a lingerie catalogue.:p

The old Diaz daemonettes were woefully overrated. Lovely sculpts yes, but they aren't daemonettes, they are cosplaying strippers. I prefer the new plastic daemonettes. I do prefer the old seekers because of the languid wy the daemonettes are purched in the saddle, give me the new daemonettes with that and I'd be happy.

[daboarder]

Why do you need breasts? It's a wargame, not a lingerie catalogue.:p

The old Diaz daemonettes were woefully overrated. Lovely sculpts yes, but they aren't daemonettes, they are cosplaying strippers. I prefer the new plastic daemonettes. I do prefer the old seekers because of the languid wy the daemonettes are purched in the saddle, give me the new daemonettes with that and I'd be happy.

New daemonette's are far too static, they need more motion in the pose.

[eldargal]

I'd agree with that, they certainly don't look particularly fleet, but on an aesthetic level I prefer them to old Diaz daemonettes. At least they aren't doing cheerleader poses.

[Deadlift]

I don't know, the ogre kingdoms fellas all have an impressive pair.

[Psychosplodge]

Why do you need breasts? It's a wargame, not a lingerie catalogue.:p

The old Diaz daemonettes were woefully overrated. Lovely sculpts yes, but they aren't daemonettes, they are cosplaying strippers. I prefer the new plastic daemonettes. I do prefer the old seekers because of the languid wy the daemonettes are purched in the saddle, give me the new daemonettes with that and I'd be happy.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc0pb2Ufqz1qfy4n0o1_500.jpg

I preferred the claws and hair/ethereal flames on the Diaz models.
Also cosplay strippers....

[RGilbert26]

eldargal - Why do you need breasts? It's a wargame, not a lingerie catalogue.:p

I don't need breasts on models - just would have thought having a bit more flesh showing would get more guys interested. But then again it's sci-fi, big guns and explosions, so i guess we already have all we need :p

[eldargal]

Slaanesh isn't the god of sex, she is the god of excess, which includes excess sex but is not limited to it. Common misconception.:p You can have sex in moderation all you want and Slaanesh won't get involved.

Well you have to remember that GW is a mainstream company with a store presence now, like it or not they can't really have bare breasts on display lest some self righteous prig goes in to buy something, gets a face full of Dark Elf Devils Dumplings and decided to make a fuss. It's certainly bizarre that it's fine for boys to watch violent films when they are twelve but god forbid they should see a womans bare breast, but that is a cultural issue and not really the fault of GW. Even if some on Warseer would beg to differ.

[Psychosplodge]

Devil's dumplings

most amusing.
I know but it was too silly not to repost. Though moderation and sex don't go together...

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7bol9eGzY1rby7x1o1_1280.jpg

[RGilbert26]

I do like that pic :P

Speaking of Dark Elf Devils Dumplings - http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440048a&prodId=prod1610024a

[eldargal]

I'm looking forward to Morathi getting a sculpt that actually looks nice eventually, bare breasts or not.:rolleyes: GW did actually produce, in very limited numbers, a few varieties of Witch Elf with bare breasts. Well one bare per model. I managed to get one by going on a date with a managers son. They were never sold though, just seemed to be somethicg kicking around the factory for a while.
http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/images/3/3e/Unreleased_-_Dark_Elf_Witch_Elf_3.jpg

[daboarder]

I do like that pic :P

Speaking of Dark Elf Devils Dumplings - http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440048a&prodId=prod1610024a

we don't have slaanesh because this

3160

scares small children and grown men alike


EDIT: smooth move eldargal

[Unzuul the Lascivious]

Frankly this - GW sells mainly to kids aged 11-16. A lot of gamers have a lull between the ages of 15-24 where they discover alcohol, maybe drugs and women. Then they go back to gaming. Not saying that's how it always goes, but it did for a LOT of the guys I know, and some of the girls. So more adult themes in terms of sex and sexuality would be popular.

GW wants parents to be ok with their products as has been said. I would welcome lots of boobs, frankly, and I like the provocative nature of models like Morathi, some of the Wych Cult models in DE and so on. But maybe it's a line that FW should be taking, as a more mature wing of the company.

I for one would pay for more sexy models, and I don't see it being a problem in portraying Slaaneshi models as seductive, enticing and sexual models - it's hard to portray other forms of excess in a miniature, aside from perhaps in the way you paint them. Boobs, genitals and suggestive poses would be great for adult gamers - imagine how terrifying a unit of big breasted daemons with large bobbing erect penises would be?

Anyway, I think that the strength of the 40K female is reflected very well and not overly sexually in the Sisters of Battle - I agree that not all women in Sci-Fi/Fantasy should be sexualised, but frankly it's a male-dominated hobby and those elements are going to be there.

[Kawauso]

I agree that not all women in Sci-Fi/Fantasy should be sexualised, but frankly it's a male-dominated hobby and those elements are going to be there.

What? Why? Where?

Currently I can't think of anywhere in the model ranges where there's a tremendous amount of one-sided sexualization. Where is -does- show up on the models it tends to be pretty even-handed - Sigvald the Magnificent, Blood Angel artificer armour and DE Wyches are all there to represent where male sexuality is concerned.

You're also assuming that a male-dominated hobby is specifically dominated by heterosexual males which, while statistically likely, is hardly fair. :P

But I guess my overall point was: so what if it's a male-dominated hobby? I don't think anyone here was arguing for more sexualized female models/art (particularly in relation to male models/art) in the games - nor should they. It was just a bit of grumping about the childish manner in which sexuality is handled (or rather not handled) compared to violence which, as EG pointed out, is a societal/cultural issue and not GW's fault.

Still bugs a lot of people though - myself included, and from time to time grumping will occur.

[Lexington]

Well, the new WHFB Slaanesh steeds have a conga line of human-ish mammaries running down their neck, so it's not completely gone...

At the same time, the "God of Boobies" reputation that Slaanesh has acquired is, frankly, lame, and gives off this quivering, virginal stench - something the wargaming set really doesn't need more of. The best Slaanesh material blends the line between disturbing and alluring, initially alienating but interesting on further inspection. A buxom lass with a couple of crab claws just doesn't do it.

[Psychosplodge]

Slaanesh material blends the line between disturbing and alluring, initially alienating but interesting on further inspection.

See I think the Diaz Daemonettes did that much better than the steads with bolted on bewbs as an afterthought.

[Bigred]

Don't forget children...

You cant see boobies, because:
Boobies lead to arousal
Arousal leads to sex
Sex leads to VD (only if you're not married)
VD kills you (see above disclaimer)

So stop with your lewd demand for miniature boobies. Are you suicidal?


This community message brought to you by your 1955 Sex Ed teacher :)

[magickbk]

The way I always thought of Slaanesh(especially Daemonettes) when reading about them in the old books were of horrifying Daemons that exuded this aura of allure that enchanted those around them. In that fashion, the current plastics, or the really old metals would seem to portray their true appearance, whereas I felt that the Juan Diaz ones were more seductive in a way that might portray how them might appear to say, an Imperial Guardsmen, before their true appearance is revealed.

[Psychosplodge]

Don't forget children...

You cant see boobies, because:
Boobies lead to arousal
Arousal leads to sex
Sex leads to VD (only if you're not married)
VD kills you (see above disclaimer)

So stop with your lewd demand for miniature boobies. Are you suicidal?


This community message brought to you by your 1955 Sex Ed teacher :)


Seems legit

[bfmusashi]

Because sculpting seduction is difficult. I have yet to see a 'seductive' or half naked model that doesn't make me think I'm in some weird otaku lair.

[Wildeybeast]

You can have sex in moderation all you want and Slaanesh won't get involved.

Can you have sex in moderation as much as you like? Isn't that an oxymoron? :p

[Psychosplodge]

More importantly, where's moderation?

[Wildeybeast]

Somewhere uncomfortable.

[Psychosplodge]

The backseat of a volkswagon?

[Wildeybeast]

Hurray, points for getting the reference!

[Psychosplodge]

I'm a massive Kevin Smith fan, It's jay and silent Bob strike back and chasing Amy I'd have struggled with as I've seen them the least.

[Wildeybeast]

No doubt because they are the worst of the View Askew universe. Mind you, Cop Out makes them look the Godfather.

[Psychosplodge]

Not even heard of that, which really is surprising. Now going to have to obtain and watch...

[Wildeybeast]

Don't. Really, really don't. I've only seen a bit of it and it's the worst pile of pants ever. The critics savaged it which is why he had his massive paddy at them and said he wasn't going to press screen films any more. Have you seen his latest, Red State? That was pretty good.

[Lexington]

See I think the Diaz Daemonettes did that much better than the steads with bolted on bewbs as an afterthought.
Not a fan of either approach, personally. The plastic Steeds and Daemonettes are a compromise between the various styles they've taken in the past, and just don't gel. The Diaz-era Daemonettes, with their porn star anatomy and dancer poses always struck me as way too obvious. There should be some grotesquery to the Pleasure Prince's output.

[Psychosplodge]

Don't. Really, really don't. I've only seen a bit of it and it's the worst pile of pants ever. The critics savaged it which is why he had his massive paddy at them and said he wasn't going to press screen films any more. Have you seen his latest, Red State? That was pretty good.

I haven't, that was something I meant to see at the pics but things came up. Suppose I should pick up the blu-ray at some point.


Not a fan of either approach, personally. The plastic Steeds and Daemonettes are a compromise between the various styles they've taken in the past, and just don't gel. The Diaz-era Daemonettes, with their porn star anatomy and dancer poses always struck me as way too obvious. There should be some grotesquery to the Pleasure Prince's output.
Possibly but Grotesque is more the domain of Tzeentch and Nurgle,
Slaanesh and Korn are more about various forms of perfection.

[Lexington]

Possibly but Grotesque is more the domain of Tzeentch and Nurgle,
Slaanesh and Korn are more about various forms of perfection.
I dunno - to me, "perfection" is just one expression of the greater concept of Excess that defines Slaanesh. It's also one that, to my eye, is far too often associated with a dull "fey-er than thou" idea that comes out of the uglier, adolescent side of gamerdom's psyche - the aforementioned virginal, "sex is dirrrrrrty and unknown!" attitude towards sexuality in general. It's something I wish GW would get away from.

To me, Slaanesh's followers look like this: 3165

That guy's not going for a traditional idea of "perfection," but an idea of "more." More sounds, more sights, more smells, more senses. He's hulking in some areas, emaciated in others. God knows what kind of sound comes out of that mouth. He's stretching his existence to the maximum in order to drink in the new and the unknown, and it's terrifying to the rest of us. That's the God of Excess right there. "Boobs" just don't do the concept justice.

[Psychosplodge]

Are you ok? you're (presumably male) on the interwebz arguing against boobs. Do you have a fever? :D



Seriously though that's upto you. I prefer my Slaanesh with a side order of perversity.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Now I'm just thinking about EG boobies...

[Psychosplodge]

Now I'm just thinking about EG boobies...

Sure that'll go down well, you're thinking in text again....

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I like thinking in text.

So does Judge Jensen.

[Psychosplodge]

who?

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

My character for 2000AD.

Think this guy
http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/8959/1870361-adam.jpg

Dressed like this guy

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m587bryaf81qgu2vjo1_1280.jpg

[Psychosplodge]

So you've got the guy from the brownest deus ex cosplaying Judge Dread? I thought the xbox360 didn't have the same scope for mods as the pc?

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m562ax9mgD1r06m1wo1_500.jpg

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

It's called a Roleplaying game.

[Psychosplodge]

orly?

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Yeah, I had to make a character in two minutes, and thus Judge Jensen was made.

[DarkDesigner]

The way I always thought of Slaanesh(especially Daemonettes) when reading about them in the old books were of horrifying Daemons that exuded this aura of allure that enchanted those around them. In that fashion, the current plastics, or the really old metals would seem to portray their true appearance, whereas I felt that the Juan Diaz ones were more seductive in a way that might portray how them might appear to say, an Imperial Guardsmen, before their true appearance is revealed.

This is exactly why I thought the Diaz sculpts were perfect, they convey that kind of blurred sexiness that you might get from looking at the torso, but also a bit of horror when you actually realise that the extremes of their arms, legs and heads end in bits of sea creature. Kind of like the idea that dryads have a 'war aspect', implying they must have a peace aspect. I actually really like models which are at ease, as it could make your opponent subconsciously underestimate them. So what I'm suggesting is, something is more threatening the less threatening it looks.

Also I do agree that maybe Forgeworld should take up the challenge of re-sexifying Slaanesh daemons, like they did with the Greater Daemon model. That way Games Workshop keeps gore and violence, Forgeworld gets nudity, and Black Library has gratuitous swearing. Then the full gamut of non-child friendly content is covered across the whole brand.

[Psychosplodge]

This is exactly why I thought the Diaz sculpts were perfect, they convey that kind of blurred sexiness that you might get from looking at the torso, but also a bit of horror when you actually realise that the extremes of their arms, legs and heads end in bits of sea creature. Kind of like the idea that dryads have a 'war aspect', implying they must have a peace aspect. I actually really like models which are at ease, as it could make your opponent subconsciously underestimate them. So what I'm suggesting is, something is more threatening the less threatening it looks.

Also I do agree that maybe Forgeworld should take up the challenge of re-sexifying Slaanesh daemons, like they did with the Greater Daemon model. That way Games Workshop keeps gore and violence, Forgeworld gets nudity, and Black Library has gratuitous swearing. Then the full gamut of non-child friendly content is covered across the whole brand.

Sounds reasonable.

[Timoshikun]

Just chiming in to say I agree, and it's stupid how afraid society (in particular American society - and by extension societies whose media has been affected by a lot of Americanization - like Canada's) is of human anatomy.

Well, anatomy in general, I guess - it's not like any of the animals/creatures in any GW ranges are anatomically correct.
I suppose it's just a lot more apparent/perplexing when the daemons representing a god of lust and hedonism are no less modest than anyone else where nudity is concerned.

Wow, another guy who's on a my country is superior to yours kind of thing. Oh boo hoo, I don't like the culture that's affecting mine. Wah Wah. Despite the fact there is not that much difference between Canadians and Americans. Something that I noticed while living on the border would annoy them to no end just by mere mention of the notion. I wonder if there is an actual statistic of Canadians living in our country that actually contribute, to this "Americanization" as you say. Honestly it's really annoying when people have to get all into the my country is better than your country thing, and in a Gaming forum no less where this sort of thing really has no place. Well cry me a river cause we don't put gravy on fries eh. Yeah, you really hate America, yet you watch movies, drink coke, eat at McDonalds and cry to them cause you have to put up with ketchup. Oh woe is me, the americans are trying to influence me again.... must... shun...commercial.... influences.....
Grow up man, and try to put on an enlightened face, and remember we're more Alike than you think the next time your cultural urges make you want to go to Florida for the winter like the rest of the upper crusties in the north.

Jwolf: Was there some point in this post?

[eldargal]

Please make that first post your last.

[RGilbert26]

Timo please take your rant elsewhere, if you are not going to contribute to this thread then go away.

[bfmusashi]

Sexy is a difficult concept to communicate. Personally, I like cute ladies on large pieces of machinery so long as they aren't using their buttocks as a weather vane. I seriously can not think of a bare breasted sculpture I found alluring or sexy as the promise of nudity has a greater appeal to me. That said, Daemonettes are a fantastic medium to communicate the bizarre anatomy of comic book and video game ladies. I think, in this modern age of the internet, Sonic the Hedgehog fan art best communicates the Keeper of Secrets (and sonic toys are cheap). http://www.shortpacked.com/2012/comic/book-14/04-proposition-for-69k/sonic/

[Kawauso]

Wow, another guy who's on a my country is superior to yours kind of thing. Oh boo hoo, I don't like the culture that's affecting mine. Wah Wah. Despite the fact there is not that much difference between Canadians and Americans. Something that I noticed while living on the border would annoy them to no end just by mere mention of the notion. I wonder if there is an actual statistic of Canadians living in our country that actually contribute, to this "Americanization" as you say. Honestly it's really annoying when people have to get all into the my country is better than your country thing, and in a Gaming forum no less where this sort of thing really has no place. Well cry me a river cause we don't put gravy on fries eh. Yeah, you really hate America, yet you watch movies, drink coke, eat at McDonalds and cry to them cause you have to put up with ketchup. Oh woe is me, the americans are trying to influence me again.... must... shun...commercial.... influences.....
Grow up man, and try to put on an enlightened face, and remember we're more Alike than you think the next time your cultural urges make you want to go to Florida for the winter like the rest of the upper crusties in the north.

At what point did I make any claim regarding my country being superior to America? Though if you -want- me to I certainly can. We have moral superiority as far as gay rights are concerned, so right off the bat, boom, there you have it (that, for the record is a pretty important issue for me, being that I'm bisexual and enjoy living in a country where I have equal rights to every other minority and majority).

I was making an observation (a pretty objective one, I think) as far as American media's effects on the media of the world at large - especially Canada where our media is DOMINATED by yours. I also think that my statement as to American squeamishness with regards to anatomy and sexuality is a pretty objective observation. America as a society is terrified of sex and human sexuality far more than gratuitous violence in its media. If you can make a compelling argument to the contrary I'm all ears.
If you want me to tack something subjective on top of that, sure: I think it's pretty backwards the way sex is viewed in American media compared to violence (and to a lesser extend the same can be said of Canada)...so, there.

You're right that Canada and America are similar in a lot of ways, but in many others we are very, very different. I'm pretty familiar with your country, thanks - my fiance is American and getting her through immigration is a lengthy and tiring process, so I go down to the States pretty regularly to visit her. The differences between our societies actually stand our in pretty sharp contrast when you encounter them by virtue of how similar we are otherwise, I find.

You are, at least, correct in saying that I hate America - I do. I despite the country as an institution. Being that my dislike there stems largely from politics and cultural issues at large, however, it doesn't really say anything about my opinion on things (or people) from the States. It's not some bigoted dislike directed at American things because they are American and therefore bad. I don't have anything against American things or American people that are good - remember the bit where I'm engaged to one of your country(wo)men?

So ultimately what I was trying to convey through my somewhat haphazard dissection of your post was that communicating some sort of nationalistic nonsense about 'Canada > America, rawr!' was not my intent. Nor, if you actually read my post, was it something that I conveyed in any way, shape or form. But if you want me to throw down that gauntlet, I'm more than willing in a private setting (to prevent further derailing this thread).

But hey, what does an 'upper crusty' like me know anything aboot, eh?


~~~


Sorry about that lengthy detour, everyone.

Back on topic - I don't know that I'd argue for the inclusion of nudity for the sake of minis being 'sexy', per se. I just think it would be the sort of natural state for daemons of a Slaaneshi nature, for the most part. It's not so much that they're trying to be alluring while on the battlefield (though I suppose they could try) as that it plays into the whole nature of excess, hedonism, sensory overload and lust that Slaanesh is all about. That and, to backtrack a little, it just strikes me as kind of...odd...that grotesque imagery like the Leech Lord is a-ok in the game but we need to be shielded from exposure to the odd Daemonette nipple.

I suppose it wouldn't bother me so much if it didn't feel like GW was trying to scale back the 'maturity' level of the miniatures from where they used to be - it seems like a needless (or perhaps 'weak') capitulation to some prudish societal values which, again when juxtaposed next to things like the Leech Lord strikes me as downright bizarre.

[bfmusashi]

Scale it back from what? This has always been a game for teenagers and adolescents. There is not a single mature theme in the entire game and, more to the point, Slaanesh has been presented a lot of ways over the years. As a Chaos God you can not say what it's all about or even if it exists.

[Mr Mystery]

Simple question.... What exactly would nudie and anatomically correct add to the game?

As for Daemonettes, and this is a tad sexist so I apologise to EG and Gotthammer in advance, women always look better in the their scuddies than out of them. Otherwise Anne Summers, Victorias Secret et all wouldn't be much of a business, nes pas?

[Caitsidhe]

I like cheesecake in other parts of my life, so it isn't surprising that I appreciate good cheesecake in my models too. I think the whole discussion is silly.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Simple question.... What exactly would nudie and anatomically correct add to the game?

As for Daemonettes, and this is a tad sexist so I apologise to EG and Gotthammer in advance, women always look better in the their scuddies than out of them. Otherwise Anne Summers, Victorias Secret et all wouldn't be much of a business, nes pas?

Wow, being associated with me has given you consideration. :p

[White Tiger88]

Simple question.... What exactly would nudie and anatomically correct add to the game?

As for Daemonettes, and this is a tad sexist so I apologise to EG and Gotthammer in advance, women always look better in the their scuddies than out of them. Otherwise Anne Summers, Victorias Secret et all wouldn't be much of a business, nes pas?

Good sir where do i sign up for your news letter? I agree fully Bring back the sexy models and sexy outfits for them!! HERE HERE!

[L192837465]

Why are you so sexist? Slaanesh can also be about penis'! You're all sexist!

*Grabs popcorn*

[Deadlift]

How about some disgusting looking boobies ? You know the ones.....look like spaniels ears.

[Mr Mystery]

How about some disgusting looking boobies ? You know the ones.....look like spaniels ears.

Dude. Orc Cheerleader. Right pair of Roofer's Nailbags those.

[Kawauso]

Simple question.... What exactly would nudie and anatomically correct add to the game?

As for Daemonettes, and this is a tad sexist so I apologise to EG and Gotthammer in advance, women always look better in the their scuddies than out of them. Otherwise Anne Summers, Victorias Secret et all wouldn't be much of a business, nes pas?

I wouldn't worry about coming off as sexist by stating your personal preference on something when it comes to women - you aren't saying anything derogatory.

As for what it would 'add' to the game, I don't think there's all that much that it would 'add' per se - it just comes off as uneven in contrast to the grotesque and/or brutal imagery provided elsewhere in the model range. At least as far as Slaanesh is concerned - I understand Slaanesh isn't all about sex, but it's a pretty considerable component of him/her/it.

[Kawauso]

Scale it back from what? This has always been a game for teenagers and adolescents. There is not a single mature theme in the entire game and, more to the point, Slaanesh has been presented a lot of ways over the years. As a Chaos God you can not say what it's all about or even if it exists.

Scaled back from the old miniatures is what I meant, specifically. The old Daemonettes (I'm not sure which edition the models are from), and older Slaaneshi models in general tended to be more provocative.

The gradual push toward self-censorship over the years is something that I personally find a bit irksome.

I for one would consider the graphic violence presented in the game (particularly the artwork and background) to be a mature theme - but then, as I've said, I differ from society at large in that I see equal/less harm in a child being exposed to the odd bit of nudity (we're all naked underneath, for Emperor's sake) over horrific, brutal graphic violence.

[Nabterayl]

Nurgle isn't all about disease either, it's just the most iconic visually representable thing that Nurgle stands for. Same with Slaanesh - it's not that the god is about sex, it's just that excessive sexual characteristics are the most iconic visually representable thing that Slaanesh stands for.

[Uncle Nutsy]

meh, not feeling it tonight.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Nutsy, that's a rather.... unusual.... comment to make? :p

[Uncle Nutsy]

it's certainly won't be the first one. I had a rant/pontification all lined up and somehow it didn't read right. After a couple edits, it didn't come together so I just scrapped it.


now, regarding the original post, for brevity's sake, the reason why disgusting models are created and boobies are disregarded is simple. Parents don't want to explain it to little johnny.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

That's how the cookie crumbles.

[DarkDesigner]

now, regarding the original post, for brevity's sake, the reason why disgusting models are created and boobies are disregarded is simple. Parents don't want to explain it to little johnny.

Still, it's odd that one form of mature content is considered more harmful to children than others. So we can expose children to violent images or swearing but not nudity? After all, sex and nudity are things which are a part of our day to day lives, and yet to sculpt a model which is sexy or naked is wrong? Or to own a sexily posed model makes you a perverted otaku?

On the other hand, war and killing, which are not part of most people's daily routine, are not only acceptable components but the core premise of this and many other games. I'm as fond of murking dudes as the next gamer, but at what point did murderers become more socially accepted than nudists?

[eldargal]

Well it is ridiculous, but it is a widespread cultural phenomenon, hardly limited to Britain and it is neither reprehensible or foolish of GW to abide by it. Even if you assume that it is deliberate and not simply an aesthetic choice, given that the original daemonettes were clothed:
http://pigmentia.net/pigmentia/Gallery/Daemons/Daemonettes/slides/DaemonetteSlaanesh18.jpg

[bfmusashi]

Daemonettes are why you will never understand the Eldar, and why you can never leave them unsupervised in an aquarium.

[Uncle Nutsy]

http://pigmentia.net/pigmentia/Gallery/Daemons/Daemonettes/slides/DaemonetteSlaanesh18.jpg

"hey you guys!"

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I thought that too. :p

[silashand]

Yeah, the old Juan Diaz sculpts were the pinnacle of Slaanesh's power. They got everything right and never should have been retired. It's taken me ages to get enough to do the daemonette army I'm building.

Though I have a complete Juan Diaz daemonette army, I have been considering getting some of the Raging Heroes Preying Mantis models as additions. They are very similar to Juan's style and frankly, I don't like the new GW ones at all.

[Mr Mystery]

That's a second gen Daemonette, not an original!

And as for their appearance, let's remember that the models are of Daemonettes in their war form, same as the Dryads. Kind of like the Ghosties in the Ark, just prior to National Socialist Solider melty time.

[Psychosplodge]

How about some disgusting looking boobies ? You know the ones.....look like spaniels ears.

They really exist? I thought they were added in digitally afterwords...

[Psychosplodge]

yeah double post and all that, but look at this, isn't it the cutest adawbs chibi daemon ever?

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md1yh8ytxa1rq1yzso1_400.jpg

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

O_O

Kill it... with fire.

[Psychosplodge]

It really should be the image the new daemonettes are made from

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

No.

[bfmusashi]

It really should be the image the new daemonettes are made from

Yes, it totally is.

[Renegade]

The difference between the old and new daemonettes, is that at least with the last ones you'd probably be picking up your jaw, popping your eyes back in and rolling your tongue up, before running away (unless your into things with clawed feet and talons). The new ones look like something one would find in a pub in the sticks where the genetic line has few variations...

As for moderation, the difference is in the use of a feather duster or the whole bird.

[Wildeybeast]

As for moderation, the difference is in the use of a feather duster or the whole bird.

Terry Pratchett?

[Renegade]

Terry Pratchett?

TBH, I can't remember. It could well be Black Adder, or just a joke by some unknown... the full thing goes something like:

What is the difference between being kinky and being perverted?
When you are kinky, you use a feather duster.
When you are perverted, you use the whole damn chicken.

[Wildeybeast]

Yeah, I've heard it before, just struggling to remember where it's from. Terry Pratchett sprang to mind for some reason.

[eldargal]

Terry Pratchett used it, don't know if he originated it.

[Wildeybeast]

Thought so. Do you remember which book?

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe. :p

[Wildeybeast]

The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe. :p

Was that one if his none-Discworld ones?

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Yes... :p

[eldargal]

Maybe Eric but I'm not sure.

Thought so. Do you remember which book?

[Wildeybeast]

Sounds right to me.