Guardians?

[Lost Vyper]

I´m currently bidding (just for giggles) for some Guardians. I have always shunned away from these dudes due to their suck-i-ness, but i am tempted, cos they are cheap (both on the auction and on points) and i was planning to use them behind Aegis-line and an Avatar close by. What´s your gaming experience? Worth their points with fe. Scatter Laser?

[Learn2Eel]

I haven't used them, but I have played against them and they can be deceptively good despite their reputation. Give them a decent heavy weapon, plonk them in cover on an objective and they will do fine. They are a decent defensive unit, and would suit an aegis defence line well.

[Anggul]

Previously they were inferior to Dire Avengers. This is still the case, but now Dire Avengers have been indirectly nerfed due to the buff that all Rapid Fire weapons gained. I'm hoping that in the next codex the Guardians will get 18" range and the Avengers will get 24" range. This would make the Avengers a bit better and Guardians much, much better. Oh, and Guardians could probably do with having 4+ armour, but despite making sense I would be surprised if they did that.

Jetbikes and Rangers have gotten better, however. Jink and 2D6" assault move anywhere has improved the Jetbikes considerably, not to mention the 24" Turbo Boost. Rangers have the lovely AP1 Precision Shots and are tough to kill as long as you keep them out of the 24" range of nasty Sonic Blasters.

[Lost Vyper]

I use Pathfinders and DA´s all the time, and they work very well. I just wanted something cheap for troop-choice, and they are pretty "upgradable" for bigger games. Jetbikes are good, but they gather fire like a pile of dry wood and if they get 25% of losses, i usually DONT make the leadership...and ZOOM! Of they go...

[Lost Vyper]

Got´em! Now begins the waiting game...

[Roadkill Zombie]

I expect nothing out of my guardians. I don't expect them to kill anything with shooting. I don't expect them to kill anyone in close combat. I don't expect them to survive a charge from even another guardian squad.

Yet with all of that said, in my hands they tend to out perform more than they should. I know it's crazy but when I use them they end up killing way more than they should, even though I don't expect them to.

To give you an example. In my last game vs Chaos Space Marines, my opponent was able to rush his Land Raider up to my Guardian Squad without so much as a scratch on the paint. When my turn came, my Guardians targetted it with their trusty Bright Lance, and blew it up!

The Khorne Berserkers it contained jumped out, declared a charge into my 10 man Guardian squad and I overwatched him. I killed 3 of the 10 marines. Then he failed his charge distance roll as my guardians were sitting on an objective that had the Grav Wave Generator. In my turn I moved my Guardians through cover, blasted him with the Shuriken Catapults and the Bright Lance and killed 4 more.

Then in his turn he moved into the cover, shot at my Guardians, all but one made their 4+ cover save from the ruins, and then he declared a charge. I overwatched again, and cleared the squad!

I don't ever expect guardians to do anything like that but for some reason they always seem to do something spectacular at least once a game.

[Lost Vyper]

Awesome performance, yep, i´m waiting them to be the least expensive campfire crew, my game shifted to monday, so there´s still a change that i get them for a test run...

[Sainhann]

There was a time when Guardians were to be feared but that was a very long time ago.

All I want is for them to have a troop structure similar to the Imperial Guard platoon because right now they are not worth taking.

They need to have their 24" Range back and be given a choice on whether they take a support platform or not.

Support Platforms should be available as heavy weapon sections like what the Imperial guard have.

I really want to be able to field my nearly 100 of them again.

[Force21]

I kinda have the same issue. (problem?)

I am starting Eldar...*looks to make sure the Inquisition is not looking*

& I have about 2 squads of Guardians. atm

I want to use em... but I feel I should put points into better units...like ally with Eldar Corsiars & use em like that...& leave the troops for Pathfinder, Dire Avengers, Etc.

but I love Scatter Lasers & Bright Lances...but the points is what keeps me from using them alot + BS 3 kinda not so good... :/

Also is giving them a Warlock...a good choice...? I tend to stick Farseers(for LD & a good amount of body's to get though) with them & keep them in cover...

any thoughts?

[Lost Vyper]

I had 10+Warlock+BL...they held their own for 4 turns, until they got Heavy flamed :) Avatar held their morale up and they shot bunch of stuff in their four active turns...They were ok, but not great, i still prefer PF´s & DA´s any day...they are cheap and HAVE to have backup (aka Avatar).