Virginity Auctions

[eldargal]

Brazilian student sells virginity for $780 (http://uk.lifestyle.yahoo.com/brazilian-student-sells-virginity-780-000-034334755.html)
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A Brazilian student has sold her virginity in an online auction for US$780,000 as part of a documentary organised by an Australian filmmaker, although a man who did the same only fetched US$3,000.

Catarina Migliorini, 20, was the subject of 15 bids, with a Japanese man named only as Natsu winning on Wednesday night, according to the website of the film "Virgins Wanted".

He beat out competition from 14 other men, mostly from Brazil but also from India, Australia and the United States.

A male whose virginity was also auctioned, 21-year-old Sydney student Alex Stepanov, fetched US$3,000, paid by a Brazilian woman.


If you only do it once in your life then you are not a prostitute, just like if you take one amazing photograph it does not automatically make you a photographer
The fuss about this is really irritating me, not so much from the media but from commentators and bloggers etc. For a start I agree with her that doing it only once doesn't make you a prostitute. Second, if you are going to say that having sex for some kind of material benefit is prostitution then you would have to say that most relationships are prostitution on both sides. Third, how is this worse than serial monogamy where men and women go from relationship to relationship every few months/year/whatever with all the stress, emotional hurt etc. every breakup. Fourth, given that pretty much everything is commodified already why is a girls virginity somehow sacrosanct? Fifth, why is most of the moral outrage reserved for the girl and not the boy? It is because girls virginity is viewed differently or is it because there is less envy involved because he only made 3000?

If nothing else this has highlighted the way women are still viewed through a prism of sexual morality while men, by and large, are not.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

"I'll buy 8, no, 9 divine sl*ts."
"Sorry, that man already purchased every piece of a$$ available."
"Awwwwwwwwh" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs_ty7I3X8w)

Seriously though, how the hell could you sell that?!? I don't understand the depravity of humanity sometimes...

[eldargal]

A lot of men still think taking a womans virginity is some kind of achievement.

[Houghten]

Ask not: "how the hell could you sell that?"

Ask rather: "how the hell could you buy that?"

[Mr Mystery]

Meh. Their body, their choice, nobody else's business.

Really annoys me when strangers weigh in on something. What's it to you? How does this affect you in any way, shape or form. I know from personal experience that the losing of your virginity is typically an awkward, slightly sordid affair, and very often not to someone particularly special.

We really need to shed our inhibitions about sex. It's not only natural, but completely instinctual. Is it better when you're in a relationship? I believe so. Does that make one night stands or some other quick leg over wrong? Absolutely not.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Oh Mystery... Speaking from experience, you find that leaving people after a one night stand is pretty messy. People still view sex as an intimate thing to be done with someone you trust. I, for one, was a bit of a b*stard and slept around a fair amount, there are probably a lot of women that hate me.

But I've learnt from that experience. Now I've changed who I am.

And despite EG's protests, I'm not going to try to find anyone else whilst I'm even minorly involved with her.

[Mr Mystery]

Regardless, how often does any givens person meet some romantic ideal? I'm willing to bet exceptionally, ridiculously few. It's almost pre-destined to be an embarassing jumble of limbs. For many girls, it's just plain uncomfortable due to physical considerations.

So how is it any worse to auction it off? As far as anyone can tell, nobody has put the sellers up to this. There doesn't appear to be a pimp waiting for his cut of the money.

Whilst I don't see myself ever making a purchase, I don't see the selling of one's body to be inherently wrong or immoral. And honestly, how many people have wound up in bed after some kind of exchange? Is it really that much different when you just hand over cash, instead of what you would have spent on the initial wooing/date?

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Wooing? Why waste money on that? I just swan over when they're drunk and get them then. Or at a rock concert when they're full of adrenaline. :p
Very bad man.

[Mr Mystery]

Tsk! Unless also drunk (in which cases my chances are nil, and thus the point is moot. And yes, moot. Not mute) I don't go near drunk chicks. I have a peculiarly strict moral code when it comes to the ladies. Not looking to pass judgement, and certainly not looking down on anyone who disagrees, but I regard coming onto a drunk girl when you're sober as not far from slipping her a roofie.

[eldargal]

Basically this girl has taken something that is usually very dissapointing for girls and made a stack of money out of it. I just don't see the problem, I think losing your virginity to someone who can afford to drop that kind of money on it is a lot more appealing than losing it to some random teenage brat behind the bike sheds or wherever kids are doing it these days.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Tsk! Unless also drunk (in which cases my chances are nil, and thus the point is moot. And yes, moot. Not mute) I don't go near drunk chicks. I have a peculiarly strict moral code when it comes to the ladies. Not looking to pass judgement, and certainly not looking down on anyone who disagrees, but I regard coming onto a drunk girl when you're sober as not far from slipping her a roofie.

Ah, you see, I would be slightly drunk too. But it's very hard to get me fully drunk... Also, I didn't particularly have morals, and more often it would be them coming to me.


Basically this girl has taken something that is usually very dissapointing for girls and made a stack of money out of it. I just don't see the problem, I think losing your virginity to someone who can afford to drop that kind of money on it is a lot more appealing than losing it to some random teenage brat behind the bike sheds or wherever kids are doing it these days.

Lolwat? That's contradictory to your original point.

[eldargal]

No it's not.:p My original point was the fuss was stupid, that women are still being judged by their sexual morality while men aren't and that what she is doing is no worse than serial monogamy which dominated modern relationships.:p

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I would hope that the Gods judge all of my actions... Good or bad.

Must have read it wrong... Sorry hun.

[Deadlift]

All I can think is "thats somebody's son and daughter"

Sure they can do what they want, but if I were their parent a little bit inside me would die.

[Wolfshade]

Everyone has their price.
Anything can be bought.

[Psychosplodge]

Hers to sell anyway, plus it turns out virgins are actually quite disappointing...

[Mr Mystery]

All I can think is "thats somebody's son and daughter"

Sure they can do what they want, but if I were their parent a little bit inside me would die.

Meh. People do a lot worse for money. And a lot worse for no money.

[Sean_OBrien]

The fuss is stupid, then again - so is paying $780K to have sex with a virgin. You reserve that kind of cash for a girl who knows what she is doing.

However, I tend to think it is prostitution...though I don't tie that down as a negative profession on its own. Sex is often traded for material gain, and it is not looked down upon (Sugardaddy's and their Sugarbaby...Cougars and Cubs...). Even beyond those socially accepted relationships, basic dating is often sex and companionship being traded for material gain. Dinner and a movie, flowers, jewelry or the tab at the club - all present a significant monetary investment on one side with the pay off being sex (or at the very least intimate companionship).

Further, there is the whole hypocrisy of the law (something which I have problems with). A guy trading money for sex is illegal. A guy with a camera trading money for sex is legal and protected speech. Now, I don't think that pornography should be banned - however when the only practical difference is whether or not is the camera...it is rather annoying.

[Mr Mystery]

To the best of my knowledge, prostitution, or at least charging for sex is not illegal in the UK.

However, Pimping is. Kerb Crawling is. Running a brothel is. I also think paying for sex is illegal. Not 100%.

Either way, legalising and regulating the industry (and it is an industry, even now) would help solve so many problems surrounding it. Takes out many of the pimps, ensures the workers are clean and mentall fit etc.

[Wolfshade]

That's right, it's the soliciting that is crime in England & wales

[White Tiger88]

Basically this girl has taken something that is usually very dissapointing for girls and made a stack of money out of it. I just don't see the problem, I think losing your virginity to someone who can afford to drop that kind of money on it is a lot more appealing than losing it to some random teenage brat behind the bike sheds or wherever kids are doing it these days.

Ill give her credit for having enough money to do what ever she wants in school now......Plus its a japanesse dude ffs.........not like she will be impressed :P

[Deadlift]

Meh. People do a lot worse for money. And a lot worse for no money.

Yes this is very true, doesn't mean I have to think this something acceptable. However this kind of thing has been going on throughout history, it's just with modern media we get to hear about.
Yeah fine if she / he is happy to whore themselves out, why not.
I am happy to say its not something I would have considered doing and with the right guidance neither will my kids.

[Wolfshade]

Generally though, once you have agreed that you are prepared to sell something then you are open to negotiation.

For example you agree to perform a trick for a person at £1000, how about £500, £250, £100, £75, £50, £20?
It is a slippery slope.
Once you have agreed something in principle it is all about negotiating the price

[eldargal]

Prostitution is a profession, doing it once doesn't really count in my opinion.

The way I see it this girl is capitalising on something that isn't a very nice experience for girls generally and making a lot of money out of it. She isn't being coerced, she isn't being exploited (the opposite is true if anything, 780k for gods sake...) she isn't breaking any laws in the countries involved and there is nothing particularly immoral about it by modern standards. So good for her.

[Psychosplodge]

To be fair the bloke spending all that money is probably going to put a lot more effort in compared to the drunken teenager wanting a leg over.
Though he's japanese, I've seen enough hentai to know where this is going...

[Deadlift]

To be fair the bloke spending all that money is probably going to put a lot more effort in compared to the drunken teenager wanting a leg over.
Though he's japanese, I've seen enough hentai to know where this is going...

To spend that kind of money, he has to have issues.

[Psychosplodge]

Well maybe he's never had one before? IMO he'll be disappointed, they just lay there lack a sack of spuds first couple of times...

[Wolfshade]

Prostitution is a profession, doing it once doesn't really count in my opinion.

The way I see it this girl is capitalising on something that isn't a very nice experience for girls generally and making a lot of money out of it. She isn't being coerced, she isn't being exploited (the opposite is true if anything, 780k for gods sake...) she isn't breaking any laws in the countries involved and there is nothing particularly immoral about it by modern standards. So good for her.

I'm not sure that I agree with you, if I sell a fish does this make me a fish monger (albiet unsucesful one). What about if I were to run a single marathon, would I be a marathon runner? How about if I murder one person, it's only one person so I shouldn't be branded a murderer, now several on the other hand...

I would agree that she isn't being exploited or doing anything illegal, in terms of morality I would disagree and while I generally dislike quoting Americans


On matters of style, swim with the current, on matters of principle, stand like a rock.

Modern morality is not necessarily a good thing

[Psychosplodge]

Disagreeing with someone elses moral choices doesn't make them immoral, it just means they have a different set of values.

[eldargal]

A murderer isn't a profession, prostitution is. Also if you want to be really strict about it having sex for any kind of material gain could be considered prostitution, where do you draw the line? Having sex with a boyfriend because you love him gets you a benefit (healthy relationship, long lasting relationship, people in a relationship earn more, have a better standard of living). Either everyone is a prostitute or only peopel making a living out of selling sex are prostitutes.

So you would argue she shouldn't do what she likes with her own body? Because all she has done is have sex. Once. Why is it so much worse that she did this for money than some girl having twenty boyfriends, having sex with each, before she is 20, with no money changing hands? Either way it better than our old Victorian morals which said that men could **** whomever the hell they wanted so long as they were discreet but that women would be socially ruined if they got found out.

[Wolfshade]

Disagreeing with someone elses moral choices doesn't make them immoral, it just means they have a different set of values.

Depends if you have a subjective moral view. Certainly, if you were to behave in a way that is outside of the 10 commandments a Jew would say that you were immoral, similiarly if you broke any of the moral codes laid out by any scripture...


A murderer isn't a profession, prostitution is. Also if you want to be really strict about it having sex for any kind of material gain could be considered prostitution, where do you draw the line? Having sex with a boyfriend because you love him gets you a benefit (healthy relationship, long lasting relationship, people in a relationship earn more, have a better standard of living). Either everyone is a prostitute or only peopel making a living out of selling sex are prostitutes.

I was just pointing out that doing something just once can often get people labeled for a lifetime regardless of whether or not they were paid for their activity.


So you would argue she shouldn't do what she likes with her own body? Because all she has done is have sex. Once. Why is it so much worse that she did this for money than some girl having twenty boyfriends, having sex with each, before she is 20, with no money changing hands? Either way it better than our old Victorian morals which said that men could **** whomever the hell they wanted so long as they were discreet but that women would be socially ruined if they got found out.

I would argue that no one should do things which are immoral. I would not say that paying or selling sex is any better or worse than having sex with numerous people without financial gain, such an idea is preposterous. Within a moral framework there is only binary logic, there are the things which are immoral and those which are moral.

[eldargal]

Labelling someone a prostitute for having sex for money once is quite clearly unacceptable, especially since it only happens to women. It's also silly when prostitution is a profession, not just an act. She isn't a prostitute, even if she prostituted herself once.

I'm just pointing out that modern sexual morality lets women have sex with whomever they want. Sadly we are still judged on our sexual morality, unlike men. Hence the hypocrisy. People are quite happy for women to have sex with a long chain of boyfriends through serial monogamy, but for some reason get hysterical over a girl selling her virginity. It's just silly.

[Psychosplodge]

Depends if you have a subjective moral view. Certainly, if you were to behave in a way that is outside of the 10 commandments a Jew would say that you were immoral, similiarly if you broke any of the moral codes laid out by any scripture...

Of course it's subjective.
The only way the commandments apply to you is if you subscribe to that belief system.

[Kirsten]

Basically this girl has taken something that is usually very dissapointing for girls and made a stack of money out of it. I just don't see the problem, I think losing your virginity to someone who can afford to drop that kind of money on it is a lot more appealing than losing it to some random teenage brat behind the bike sheds or wherever kids are doing it these days.

I agree

[Sean_OBrien]

To spend that kind of money, he has to have issues.

Depending on his particular religious beliefs...

...the details are fuzzy, but certain beliefs hold that having sex with virgins is a manner to extend your lifespan. Was years and years ago which I read the book that studied it, but it is a possibility. In that regard, $780K in exchange for an extra 5-10 years of life? Might be worth considering.

[Kirsten]

A friend of mine, many years younger than me, recently mentioned that she lost her virginity on her sixteenth birthday, she was absolutely determined that it would happen then, and had planned in advance who to do it with. Her planned partner got too drunk and passed out, so she picked another guy at her party and went for it. I find that far more depressing than someone selling it for a very large amount of money that will help them out for life.

[Psychosplodge]

What happened to the aim being to have it gone before being legal, like when I was young...

[Wolfshade]

Of course it's subjective.
The only way the commandments apply to you is if you subscribe to that belief system.

So clearly disagreeing with someone elses moral choices does make them immoral in your* opinion. *not specificially yours Psycho' but anyones in general.


Labelling someone a prostitute for having sex for money once is quite clearly unacceptable, especially since it only happens to women. It's also silly when prostitution is a profession, not just an act. She isn't a prostitute, even if she prostituted herself once.

I'm not sure I follow you, so would an unsuccesful prosititute who only ever manages one customer before they change their revenue source not be a prosititue, is someone only something if they manage it on more than one occassions? Was Neil Armstrong not a moon walker because he only managed to walk on the moon once? I will of course accept that the usual thought of it is that with a prosititue the term implies some kind of multiplicity to it and in general perhaps the word does not fit. However, the deffinition is (or at least according to my inferior collins desk dictionary) "person who offers sexual intercourse in return for payment." which is exactly what is occuring in this instance.


I'm just pointing out that modern sexual morality lets women have sex with whomever they want. Sadly we are still judged on our sexual morality, unlike men. Hence the hypocrisy. People are quite happy for women to have sex with a long chain of boyfriends through serial monogamy, but for some reason get hysterical over a girl selling her virginity. It's just silly.

I agree with the hypocracy here, the standards that we hold women to we should do the same to men.
I would also suggest that this modern sexual morality is immoral...
It is silly that people would get so hysterical over this girl selling it, and I have to say to get paid so much for a one off act I can see the appeal of it, after all that sort of money could set her up for life, college uni house all paid for.

[MaltonNecromancer]

Seriously though, how the hell could you sell that?!?

I think a better question might be: what kind of awful human being would buy it?

[eldargal]

A friend of mine, many years younger than me, recently mentioned that she lost her virginity on her sixteenth birthday, she was absolutely determined that it would happen then, and had planned in advance who to do it with. Her planned partner got too drunk and passed out, so she picked another guy at her party and went for it. I find that far more depressing than someone selling it for a very large amount of money that will help them out for life.
That story makes me sad.:(

[Psychosplodge]

So clearly disagreeing with someone elses moral choices does make them immoral in your* opinion. *not specificially yours Psycho' but anyones in general.
I suppose that could be the logical extension if you take it the extremes.
or you could go down the route of not really caring what others do if it doesn't affect yourself?



I'm not sure I follow you, so would an unsuccesful prosititute who only ever manages one customer before they change their revenue source not be a prosititue, is someone only something if they manage it on more than one occassions? Was Neil Armstrong not a moon walker because he only managed to walk on the moon once? I will of course accept that the usual thought of it is that with a prosititue the term implies some kind of multiplicity to it and in general perhaps the word does not fit. However, the deffinition is (or at least according to my inferior collins desk dictionary) "person who offers sexual intercourse in return for payment." which is exactly what is occuring in this instance.




Well people have joked for years that the difference between a prostitute and gf/wife is one is pay as you go, and the other's on contract.

[eldargal]

I'm not sure I follow you, so would an unsuccesful prosititute who only ever manages one customer before they change their revenue source not be a prosititue, is someone only something if they manage it on more than one occassions? Was Neil Armstrong not a moon walker because he only managed to walk on the moon once? I will of course accept that the usual thought of it is that with a prosititue the term implies some kind of multiplicity to it and in general perhaps the word does not fit. However, the deffinition is (or at least according to my inferior collins desk dictionary) "person who offers sexual intercourse in return for payment." which is exactly what is occuring in this instance.
Being the first man on the moon isn't a profession, he was an astronaut. He was the first astronaut to strut his funky stuff on the moon. No, someone who gets desperate enough to consider prostitution and then onoly has one client would not be a prostitute either.
This girl sold her virginity, while she has sex with the man she will be a prostitute by the strict definition. When it is finished, she will not. She isn't one now just for having arranged it.
Is an actress who has insimulated sex in a film a prostitute? What if someone pays to watch a girl have sex with their boyfriend/husband, is that prostitution, the transaction is still sexual intercourse for payment. If that is prostitution, then does that mean a prostitute who is paid to have sex with someone by someone other than the client (like a father buying it for his son) not a prostitute? It gets ridiculous if you try and treat prostitution as anything other than a profession.

[Wolfshade]

Being the first man on the moon isn't a profession, he was an astronaut. He was the first astronaut to strut his funky stuff on the moon. No, someone who gets desperate enough to consider prostitution and then onoly has one client would not be a prostitute either.
This girl sold her virginity, while she has sex with the man she will be a prostitute by the strict definition. When it is finished, she will not. She isn't one now just for having arranged it.
Is an actress who has insimulated sex in a film a prostitute? What if someone pays to watch a girl have sex with their boyfriend/husband, is that prostitution, the transaction is still sexual intercourse for payment. If that is prostitution, then does that mean a prostitute who is paid to have sex with someone by someone other than the client (like a father buying it for his son) not a prostitute? It gets ridiculous if you try and treat prostitution as anything other than a profession.

I think we agree here, strictly speaking yes be definition that is what she will be while she is engaged in her chosen employment. Similiarly, she is a student while in shcool/colege/university and not once she has graduated/left.

Technically the actress isn't as she hasn't done the deed.
In the later two scenarios the person buying it isn't receiving the act but the dictionary deffinition doesn't define that the buyer has to, ahem, recieve the goods, so I would suggest yes.

As to treating it as anything other than a profession I am confused as to how else it could be considered?

[eldargal]

Well that's my point, it has to be considered as a profession because that is what it is, it can't be considered anything else. A prostitute whose job is accepting money for sexual acts, someone who does that once isn't a prostitute, they are someone who accepted money for sex once.

[Wolfshade]

I'm sorry I'm not seeing the dichotomy.

If I get paid to bake a loaf of bread I am a baker
If I recieve payment for sex then I am a prostitue
If I get paid to garden, I am a gardener
If I am paid to teach people I am a teacher/lecturer

all of these for as long as I am employed for be that for a single loaf, 1/2 hour weeding, 17 years lecturing, 1 client.

There are a lot of negative associations with the word, and unfortunatley it is often used as a pejorative term and I can see why in this instance you would like to seperate the two.

[Psychosplodge]

So is a thesbian a homosexual or a career choice?

[White Tiger88]

Well that's my point, it has to be considered as a profession because that is what it is, it can't be considered anything else. A prostitute whose job is accepting money for sexual acts, someone who does that once isn't a prostitute, they are someone who accepted money for sex once.

In japan and so on prostitutes used to be a very highly regarded as a career choice....

[Wolfshade]

So is a thesbian a homosexual or a career choice?

A Thespian is an actor or actress from the theatre their sexuality does not matter, so I'd go for a career choice, though I'm not sure where you are going with this...

[White Tiger88]

A Thespian is an actor or actress from the theatre their sexuality does not matter, so I'd go for a career choice, though I'm not sure where you are going with this...

lol i saw where he went with that.........But if i explain it he might murder me....and Ruin it for the rest, Psychosplodge very nice rofl

[Deadlift]

the naivety with some of the comments in this thread is really quite startling :(

[Psychosplodge]

A Thespian is an actor or actress from the theatre their sexuality does not matter, so I'd go for a career choice, though I'm not sure where you are going with this...

How did thespians come into this? A Thesbian is a female pornstar who's only lesbian on screen,

also apparently(according to urban dictionary who dont have the defination that i was aiming for) it's a female that plays a lesbian to attract male attention

[Wolfshade]

You said "So is a thesbian a homosexual or a career choice?"

I just assumed that you spelt thespian wrongly...

[Psychosplodge]

Yeah sorry I realised and expanded it.

[Sean_OBrien]

In japan and so on prostitutes used to be a very highly regarded as a career choice....

I think you might be confusing the movies with reality. While it is big business there (much like everywhere else in the world) it isn't a trade which fathers are proud that their daughters enter into. Prostitution is also illegal there - though there are many loopholes which allow things to go on in less shady parts of town. Japan is also one of the top markets for sex traffickers - especially for girls from outside of Asia. They are top dollar girls for the various syndicates who deal with that sort of thing.

Most the legal sex work involves massage parlors and bath houses where the staff provides hands on treatment and "happy endings". Actual intercourse is illegal and things like brothels will be shut down if found to be practicing in regular sex. Due to a loophole in the legal writing of the law though, it only addresses vaginal intercourse...so all the other aspects are allowed.

[Wolfshade]

Oh right I see.

Well we've already covered simulated sex acts as not being prostitution...technically.

[Psychosplodge]

Ah but it's not simulated, they're just doing an act they wouldn't in their personal life....

[Wolfshade]

Oh you mean in porn, sorry being naive, I imagine again strictly speaking then yes.

[Deadlift]

Basically this girl has taken something that is usually very dissapointing for girls and made a stack of money out of it. I just don't see the problem, I think losing your virginity to someone who can afford to drop that kind of money on it is a lot more appealing than losing it to some random teenage brat behind the bike sheds or wherever kids are doing it these days.

Definition of prostitution
noun
the practice or occupation of engaging in sexual activity with someone for payment.
the unworthy or corrupt use of one’s talents for the sake of personal or financial gain.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/american_english/prostitution


For what ever reason and even if its a one time gig, the girl and boy in question are prostituting themselves. At the moment of the act they are prostitutes.

[Wolfshade]

Interestingly DL, my Collins* one says the "offering" and not engaging

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*I know it's only a Collins, I did ask for an OED, that was declined, so was my request for an online subscription :(

[White Tiger88]

How did thespians come into this? A Thesbian is a female pornstar who's only lesbian on screen,

also apparently(according to urban dictionary who dont have the defination that i was aiming for) it's a female that plays a lesbian to attract male attention

So 90% of all females are Thesbian's?

[Psychosplodge]

I havn't got any stats on that.

[Kirsten]

I would sleep with someone for $780,000 :P

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Sold. :p

[Deadlift]

I would sleep with someone for $780,000 :P

With that sort of cash, you could buy a forge world army of at least 2000 pts

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I think you could buy the Legio Titanicus for that.

[Psychosplodge]

With that sort of cash, you could buy a forge world army of at least 2000 pts

Well at least 1000 anyway

[White Tiger88]

I would sleep with someone for $780,000 :P

Do you take Installments or painting pets in trade? :P

[Wolfshade]

Well now the principle has been agreed you just need to negotiate

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

How does a man negotiate with a Lesbian to have sex with him?

[Wolfshade]

Apparently by offering $780,000

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Seems legit.

[Wolfshade]

Also if you claim the amount is Guyanese Dollar then it's around 2k

[Deadlift]

Apparently by offering $780,000

I'd rather have a wank and save myself the $ to be honest :)

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Hahahhahaha!

[Wolfshade]

I'd rather have a wank and save myself the $ to be honest :)

Certainly cheaper, for that money you could find, woo and marry a virigin

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I'd rather endure many years of emotional and mental difficulties to obtain my dream girl. :p

Hahahaha!

[Wolfshade]

I'd rather endure many years of emotional and mental difficulties to obtain my dream girl. :p

Hahahaha!

Wilma would never leave Fred

[Kirsten]

Apparently by offering $780,000

I would do it for $500,000, I am not greedy.

[ragnarcissist]

whats so great about a virgin anyway? id rather have a freak who knows what to do with it....

[Wolfshade]

I would do it for $500,000, I am not greedy.

I told you we are using the Guyanese Dollar, so for $500k is about £1,500.

Getting cheaper day by day...

[Psychosplodge]

I'd rather have a wank and save myself the $ to be honest :)

$are a silly currency


Certainly cheaper, for that money you could find, woo and marry a virigin
They don't really exist apparently

whats so great about a virgin anyway? id rather have a freak who knows what to do with it....
This.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Hmmmm didn't EG make that point already?

[Psychosplodge]

which one? possibly among others?

[Houghten]

Why yes, there were other points. I'm going to seize upon that as an excuse to drag the thread kicking and screaming back on topic, or closer to topic anyway (at least, I think the previous couple of pages deliberate irreverent silliness and not a serious discussion of individual people's asking prices. I could be wrong).

One of the other points was about how "this has highlighted the way women are still viewed through a prism of sexual morality while men, by and large, are not."

I disagree.

To be sure, men and women are held to completely different sexual standards. But a difference in standards does not imply the absence of standards. The male virgin is seen as sad, lonely and desperate, and not even an object of pity but one of mockery and derision. He doesn't get condemned for his "lack of morals" because nobody will ever care about him and it's not worth wasting the breath on the condemnation.

The prism is there, all right. It's just upside down, bending the light in the opposite direction.

[eldargal]

Indifference to a male virgin is a hell of a lot better than being judged as immoral just because you have sex while at the same time being placed under huge societal pressure both to have sex and be a desirable sexual partner.

[scadugenga]

To be fair--men can be judged as "immoral" for their sexual behavior too. "Man-whore," "male slut" etc.

Only if we're too wayward and open about it of course.

It's a ridiculous double-standard that has unfortunately survived from days of yore.

I mean...you have swustersunu. Literally translated from Old English, it means "sister's son." Back then, the relationship between an uncle and his nephew (only his sister's son though) was as, if not more, important than the relationship between a man and his son.

Why?

Because your sister's son is absolutely guaranteed to have your blood--but who knew what your wife was up to while you were out warring, going a-viking, etc.

Boggles the mind, it does.

As to EG's original topic, however--people love to fixate on someone else's drama. Gives them something to judge and talk about. Personally, I feel sorry for the lass. A Japanese man with the money to drop that kind of cash is probably pretty pervy. I hope she gets through everything okay, and doesn't find herself ostracized given all the publicity of the event.

[eldargal]

It seems to be less vitriolic, though. I mean there were some boys at my university who boasted about sleeping with hundreds of girls and people did call them manwhores but almost in a friendly, envious way. Even girls, perhaps not so much with the envy though. In contrast girls who were considered 'sluts' were given quite a hard time, to their face by girls and behind their back by boys (on account of wanting to sleep with them).

[scadugenga]

Oh, it's absolutely less vitriolic...well, from other guys.

My female friends were a bit more strenuous in their dislike of manwhores. :)

Because we're still very much a male-centric society, and double standards are "okay."

Which is, of course, ludicrous.

[eldargal]

Personally I don't dislike manwhores so long as they aren't lying and manipulating women to get them into bed. Likewise I have no problem with womanwhores either. If someone wants to be promiscuous that is their choice.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I don't give anyone a hard time because their lives are nothing to do with me...

[White Tiger88]

Personally I don't dislike manwhores so long as they aren't lying and manipulating women to get them into bed. Likewise I have no problem with womanwhores either. If someone wants to be promiscuous that is their choice.

Your thinking rocks.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Good thing then that I don't have to lie.

[eldargal]

I would do it for $500,000, I am not greedy.
Do you accept credit cards?:p Come to think of it do credit cards come with 500k limit?


Your thinking rocks.
Well the way I see it is if everyone is consenting and no one is being hurt then why get hysterical over it?

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

True that!

Also, do not put credit card in vagina, 'tis bad.

[eldargal]

I wasn't going to, unhygienic. When you swipe a credit card, you swipe every credit card machine it's ever been with.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I don't have a credit card, because credit cards are bad. :/

[Capn Stoogey]

I don't have a credit card, because credit cards are bad. :/


Credit cards don't kill people, people kill people.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

No, dangerous minorities do. :p

[Kirsten]

Do you accept credit cards?:p Come to think of it do credit cards come with 500k limit?

for you, $250,000 ;)

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

:eek:

[eldargal]

for you, $250,000 ;)
Where's my purse...

I think TDA is melting down.

Hehe.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Self destruction imminent.

[scadugenga]

And...thread suitably derailed. :) Well played, Kirsten. I do believe you and Eldargal broke TDA.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

EldarGal broke me a long time ago. :p

[Kirsten]

kinky

[eldargal]

There's a reason my nickname at university was manbreaker. Though to be fair that involved beating up male students who touched me rather than warping boys minds online.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Brrrrglglglrgrlglargrgargarlwllwwr


It's not my fault that you're constantly in my thoughts.

[Kirsten]

I didn't have a nickname at university, I studied to become a ninja, nobody knew I was there...

[Psychosplodge]

And...thread suitably derailed.
Shhh don't actually mention it

[White Tiger88]

Where's my purse...

I think TDA is melting down.

Hehe.

Ill pay another 150k to watch :D

[Phototoxin]

A lot of men still think taking a womans virginity is some kind of achievement.

I agree, and this is quite sad. :-(

Also agree with you (must be the full moon) that it's been overhyped.

What is lol-tastic is the fact that a bloke is also doing the same thing and the price disparity is hillarious.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Tiger! GTFO!

[Psychosplodge]

Why would you pay to watch?
I'm pretty sure ten seconds with google will get you something quite similar...

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I don't have to pay. :p

[Psychosplodge]

Congratulations you also have access to google

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Or women.


I dedicate this, my 7777th post, to Nurgle!

[Psychosplodge]

lol, ones enough, anymore and the nagging outweighs the companionship...

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I just want the one. :)

[Psychosplodge]

I've got one, but it's faulty.

[scadugenga]

Brrrrglglglrgrlglargrgargarlwllwwr


It's not my fault that you're constantly in my thoughts.

And...

Now you've turned him into a Murloc.

Ladies, I believe your work is done.

[White Tiger88]

tiger! Gtfo!

no u!

[Mr Mystery]

Brrrrglglglrgrlglargrgargarlwllwwr


It's not my fault that you're constantly in my thoughts.

Don't make me come at your with the temperance spoon young man!

[White Tiger88]

Don't make me come at your with the temperance spoon young man!

..........I would enjoy to watch that fight.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I'll raise your spoon with my claymore.

[Psychosplodge]

My that escalated quickly,

You missed out all the steps between spoon and claymore...

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I'm of Celtic/Gaelic descent (properly) we don't do middle ground.

[Psychosplodge]

But you're not ginger.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Parts of my beard disagree....

[Psychosplodge]

oh dear...

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

And that's why I rarely have a beard.
I'd actually say that it's more of a chestnut brown...

[Psychosplodge]

So you aren't giving up shaving for November then?

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Did that last year...

[Houghten]

November is far too short a time to give up shaving if you walk or cycle to work. Cold face! I don't know how women deal with it.

[Denzark]

And despite EG's protests, I'm not going to try to find anyone else whilst I'm even minorly involved with her.

What does this actually mean: 'minorly involved'?

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

We are not technically in a relationship as of yet, we are involved in a courtship, so for the moment my involvement in her life is minor. I hope that it will be more soon, but I'm prepared to wait for her. :)

Answer your question?

[Denzark]

Aye carumba, real life meeting teh internetz...

[Deadlift]

I thought TDA had a bird on the go IRL. Dudes playing the game :)

[Wildeybeast]

We are not technically in a relationship as of yet, we are involved in a courtship, so for the moment my involvement in her life is minor. I hope that it will be more soon, but I'm prepared to wait for her. :)

Answer your question?

So what your saying is EG is still fair game then? ;)

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

It will be more than worth it.

@Wildey, if you value your life then that question has already been answered for you. :p

Also, you're*

[Denzark]

Ha Ha TDA. Like a sailor. On shore leave with a prick a mile long, any port in a storm. And a girl in every port!

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I think you will find, Mr Denzark, that during my short life span I have had more than my fair share of women. :p

I have been around the block many times. Rock concerts seem to be teeming with desperate and very attractive women.

This however is no longer fitting of my playing style; I'm giving the relationship paradigm a try, and this is a very new and weird experience to me.
Being in a courtship I could sleep with other women, but I have far too much honour nowadays to even think about doing that. There is only one person on my mind at the moment.

[scadugenga]

Quote Originally Posted by Tzeentch's Dark Agent
And despite EG's protests, I'm not going to try to find anyone else whilst I'm even minorly involved with her.

What does this actually mean: 'minorly involved'?

In the states, we call that "unrequited longing."

I"m not sure about your side of the pond. ;)

[Denzark]

When you cross the Bridge of Swords to the Otherworld, you won't regret the men you didn't kill. But you will regret the women you didn't take to your bed...

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

When I go to Valhalla they will be waiting there for me. :p

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Anyway, I would love to stay and chat about my personal life, but I'm expected at the pub!