Should children be taught that porn is not real

[DrLove42]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20042508

Gotta love the BBC sometimes....

[Wolfshade]

Just ruined my day :(

[DrLove42]

Sorry. Were you going to go home and watch porn and imagine it was what normal peoples sex lives were like?

[Psychosplodge]

What? But I thought all those female plumbers were so convincing...

The amatuer stuff is better anyway...

[Wolfshade]

What do you mean imagine?
You meant the secretary at your place isn't popping out of her top and always coming on to you and inviting you to help her and her twin sister get items from the stationery cupboard?

[eldargal]

It probably wouldn't hurt to be honest.

[DrLove42]

The amatuer stuff is better anyway...

Amen to that...

[Psychosplodge]

What do you mean imagine?
You meant the secretary at your place isn't popping out of her top and always coming on to you and inviting you to help her and her twin sister get items from the stationery cupboard?

And the last time you saw a stranded female motorist at the side of the road, she was in really practical driving stilettos and an unfeasabley long belt...

[Deadlift]

Children should be taught porn isn't real ? Why the **** would they be watching it in the 1st place. Obviously depends on age but any teacher even mentioning porn to my kids better run and hide soon after.

How about teaching kinds morality a bit better 1st. Not just schools either, parents need to step up to the mark too.

[ElectricPaladin]

I think it's possible that by "children" they mean "adolescents of an age to start watching porn." And yes, as some people have told me - especially women who have sex with men, and some men who have sex with younger and less experienced men - a lot of young adults have a really pornified attitude towards sex. They imagine that everyone likes to be came upon, they don't understand foreplay or the neat to warm up an orifice before you get going, they like to have sex in the weird and awkward camera-angle-ish positions.

And yes, I think that more positive, sex-is-fun-do-it-well education would be a good idea. Of course, I think that schools have a limited ability to do this - when I teach my students sex ed I leave it at "there are lots of fun things you can do, should you chose to have sex, and remember that non-intercourse sex is still fun and has a lower chance of transmitting most STIs and a near-zero chance of causing a pregnancy." And then I smile knowingly (my kids know I'm married). Any more detail and I'd lose my job :D. I think parents (and older siblings/cousins/aunts/uncles/whatever) should seriously consider taking a hand in sex ed by being a little more clear with the "porn sex isn't real sex" and possibly even "here are some pointers."

IMHO - YMMV.

[DrLove42]

Its common sense surely. I consider myself an intelligent person and i know some of the **** people do in porn just is stupid in real life.

And i watched it since I was 15....

[Deadlift]

Yeah apologies for my typical right wing reaction.

But seriously I do find it a bit saddening when such emphasis is placed on teaching kids these kinds of things on schools and teachers. It just goes to show the lack of faith the government has in parents and our ability to teach our children the rights and wrongs ourselves. I may not be a perfect parent but at least I try to steer the fruit of my loins in the right direction. I think the government needs to encourage more parent/teacher cooperation with the teaching of moral standards etc. You just know so many teachers try to point kids in the right direction only for that hard work to be undone when it comes to home life.


Got to love the Beeb and its timing though, What with the Jimmy Saville cover ups being exposed at the moment.

[Psychosplodge]

And i watched it since I was 15....

As late as that? And you still managed to snag a female and drag her to the alter?


@DL in fairness it's not really the teachers responsibility, I personally think the parent is the person who knows best if they even need to have the conversation at all...

[Deadlift]

As late as that? And you still managed to snag a female and drag her to the alter?


@DL in fairness it's not really the teachers responsibility, I personally think the parent is the person who knows best if they even need to have the conversation at all...

Unfortunately you only have to watch any episode of Jeremy Kyle to know some poor kids don't stand a chance if they only have their parents moral guidance.

[DrLove42]

I had parents with a particularly strong set of morals and a good adult content block on the PC. And this back in the age of dial up.

it took me a while to get a way around it

[Psychosplodge]

I had a friend who could access a rather large vhs collection where the odd one was never missed for the odd month :D
Also apparently you just type it in foreign, the filters back then tended to be English specific.


It's already too late for those ones anyway, and it's not like they'd listen.

Regarding saville it's amazing how man individual instances were dismissed because of his fame...

[Deadlift]

I had parents with a particularly strong set of morals and a good adult content block on the PC. And this back in the age of dial up.

it took me a while to get a way around it

I had to make do with vhs recordings of the blue lagoon ;)

[Psychosplodge]

blue lagoon?

[DrLove42]

I did have a phase of recording wierd things at 2 in the morning of Channel 5. And then slyly watching them with the volume off

or the 5 minute freeview on channels 999 if everyone else had gone out late :P

[Psychosplodge]

I suppose you couldn't just buy it successfully from about thirteen then?

[DrLove42]

Put it this way. until I was 16 with access toa computer of my own, i had 1.44Mb Porn collection cos that was all i could fit on that floppy disk :P

[ElectricPaladin]

But seriously I do find it a bit saddening when such emphasis is placed on teaching kids these kinds of things on schools and teachers. It just goes to show the lack of faith the government has in parents and our ability to teach our children the rights and wrongs ourselves. I may not be a perfect parent but at least I try to steer the fruit of my loins in the right direction. I think the government needs to encourage more parent/teacher cooperation with the teaching of moral standards etc. You just know so many teachers try to point kids in the right direction only for that hard work to be undone when it comes to home life.


The funny thing is, as a teacher and a flaming liberal - seriously, I'm practically a communist - I basically agree with you. The thing is, there are some communities that are seriously screwing this up, and one of the ways we can help them get out of trouble is through sex ed. As for other communities... well, look, a little sex ed never hurt anyone, and it might very well help.

That said, I certainly think that more parent-teacher cooperation and communication is the key to pretty much everything, as long as parents and teachers appreciate each others' expertise. Parents shouldn't tell me how to teach or how to grade. They should treat me as an expert in the fields of education and child development. In return, I shouldn't pretend to be an expert on their individual children, since I see them for a fraction of the time the parent sees them. I should take the parents' word on their child's personality, preferences, strengths, and weaknesses (with the caveat that if I see a different side to the kid, I eventually need to trust my own perceptions over what I've been told - just like if I consistently screw up, it's fair for the parent to withdraw some of their trust).

Character education is always tricky. Really, it belongs in the domain of the home except-in-that-it-effects-school. For example, if a jerk adult's jerk child is being a bullying jerk at school, there comes a point where the child will be saddled with in-school consequences even if the parent supports the behavior at home. Again, the real problem is in communities where there is the reality - or just the perception - of a lack of character education in some or all homes.

The thing is, I don't think sex ed is character education. It's just facts, albeit facts about a tricky subject. Teachers don't teach kids that they should have sex - they just give them the facts. The kids will make their choices based on the character education they get at home, informed by that information.

[Wildeybeast]

It's bad enough that I have to teach them that the racist, homophobic bilge spouted by their ****ty parents isn't acceptable in polite society, that their drunken, hormonal antics can have life long ramifications and how to check their balls for cancer, now we have to point out to them that porn isn't real? I might as well just adopt the damn things and raise them myself since parents clearly can't be bothered to do it any more. :mad:

In a less ranty way of putting, all this stuff should be done at home, by parents. It certainly used to be. The delegation of raising children (rather than educating them) to teachers is indicative of the breakdown of society. Me telling them that porn isn't a good model for healthy relationships won't do a damn thing to produce well rounded adults. They'll either listen or they won't, just like when I tell them that having unprotected sex or necking a whole bottle of vodka is a bad idea. What will produce well rounded adults is parents modelling 'good' behaviour and 'healthy' relationships at home. This is just another reactionary 'something must be done, protect our children' piece of nonsense. Take the porn generating machines out of their bedrooms, restrict the internet access on their mobiles, spend some time talking to them about grown up things and take some damn responsibility for your kids society.

[ElectricPaladin]

It's bad enough that I have to teach them that the racist, homophobic bilge spouted by their ****ty parents isn't acceptable in polite society, that their drunken, hormonal antics can have life long ramifications and how to check their balls for cancer, now we have to point out to them that porn isn't real? I might as well just adopt the damn things and raise them myself since parents clearly can't be bothered to do it any more. :mad:


LO freaking L.

It wouldn't be so bad. Some of them are cute enough, and it would be nice to have someone to help with the chores. Goodness knows what their current parents have done to them, though - it would probably be better just to make my own.

[Wildeybeast]

LO freaking L.

It wouldn't be so bad. Some of them are cute enough, and it would be nice to have someone to help with the chores. Goodness knows what their current parents have done to them, though - it would probably be better just to make my own.

Pretty much all of them are lovely deep down, even the ones with crappy parents. Making my own would probably be easier, but I'd need a willing partner for that. Though overall, being able to hand them back and head to the pub every Friday afternoon is the best scenario in my view.

[ElectricPaladin]

Pretty much all of them are lovely deep down, even the ones with crappy parents. Making my own would probably be easier, but I'd need a willing partner for that. Though overall, being able to hand them back and head to the pub every Friday afternoon is the best scenario in my view.

It's true. I love all my kids, even the obnoxious one. Mind you, I don't like all of them, but that's not the same thing...

[Wildeybeast]

It's true. I love all my kids, even the obnoxious one. Mind you, I don't like all of them, but that's not the same thing...

You only have one obnoxious kid? I want to work in your school. :p

[ElectricPaladin]

You only have one obnoxious kid? I want to work in your school. :p

Oh, man. I wish that hadn't been a typo.

[ElectricPaladin]

Btw, just had about ten kids entranced by that "Badger Badger Badger" video on my phone.

I have the best job.

[Wildeybeast]

The what with the who?

[Psychosplodge]

Btw, just had about ten kids entranced by that "Badger Badger Badger" video on my phone.

I have the best job.

They've never seen that before?

[ElectricPaladin]

They've never seen that before?

No, man. We're old. The dancing badgers of our youth are forgotten.

[Psychosplodge]

You're only as old as the girl you feel :confused: wait she's my age.....bugger....

[lobster-overlord]

You're only as old as the girl you feel :confused: wait she's my age.....bugger....

crap..she's older than me...

Porn is to Sex as WWE is to Wrestling.

JOhn M>what'sporn?

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

You're only as old as the girl you feel :confused: wait she's my age.....bugger....

Really hard not to reply to that... *poker face*