New 40k Fortifications

[eldargal]

http://i1306.photobucket.com/albums/s579/kurl1/Scan122980003_zps82ca7add.jpg
These are my favourite Imperiuam terrain pieces GW have put out to date, 140EU for a big bundle, no details of exactly how much in the kit as yet.

[Wolfshade]

Are this only available in NZ & Oz?

[eldargal]

I don't see why they would, the WD pictures are from a German WD. Pics courtesy of Kurl Varanak on Warseer.

[DrLove42]

Oh god is this GW new expansion? ceiling wars? We have to magnetise all our bases and get a metal roof and fight upside down?

Kits themselves look interesting. Any leads on rules in WD, which is my guess

[Wolfshade]

I don't see why they would, the WD pictures are from a German WD. Pics courtesy of Kurl Varanak on Warseer.

It was a subtle reference to them being upside down.

Some times I feel my genius is wasted here :(

[DrLove42]

Dont worry Wolfie I got it

[eldargal]

...Nothing is upside down?

[Wolfshade]

Ok...

Anyway, they look good though I am thinking soon we will be having tabletops that will be cluttered with defense lines and bunkers and stuff

[eldargal]

Y'all are weird.:p

More terrain is only a good thing as far as I'm concerned, I think a good proportion of all the problems people have with 40k and certain more fragile armies has to do with not enough terrain on the table.

[Wolfshade]

Why do you need cover, after all everyone has a 3+ save :)

[Psychosplodge]

Didn't static defence go out of fashion around the late thirties/early forties?

@Wolfie, I suppose we could just train imperial guardsman to fire lasguns with their feet...

[Wolfshade]

Depends who you ask: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Demilitarized_Zone#Korean_wall

[daboarder]

Not to mention the fact that trench warfare particularly WW1 trench warfare is usually associated with a bit of common misconception.

In WW1 taking an enemy trench was actually pretty easy and achieved with very few casualties (baring the somme).

Of course holding a trench when there is that much pre-sighted artillery sitting around is another matter.

[Psychosplodge]

Depends who you ask: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Demilitarized_Zone#Korean_wall

But the wall is a lie...

[daboarder]

Not really. its made of pieces of metal moving faster than the speed of sound and warm squishy meat sacks. Pretty effective actually!

[Psychosplodge]

Not really. its made of pieces of metal moving faster than the speed of sound and warm squishy meat sacks. Pretty effective actually!

?

[DrLove42]

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/drlove42/SC20121024-100226.jpg

Just to prove me and Wolfie arent mad....

[Psychosplodge]

You're not mad, I'm seeing the same...

[eldargal]

Why is it the right way up for me and on the photobucket site then? Really odd.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Oh gods, a thread of EG not getting a joke. :p

[Mr Mystery]

Either that, or our eyes are upside down..

[eldargal]

I didn't get it because the photo is the right way up for me.

[Psychosplodge]

Y'all are weird.:p

We're the majority, that makes YOU the weird one :D

[Anggul]

You're not mad, I'm seeing the same...

I think Eldargal has gone crazy, one too many doses of Splintermind methinks. :P

Still, more terrain is always good. I'm actually thinking it would make a really good mid-field terrain piece too. I like the idea of troops vaulting and fighting over the various walls and stuff.

[Wolfshade]

Not to mention the fact that trench warfare particularly WW1 trench warfare is usually associated with a bit of common misconception.

In WW1 taking an enemy trench was actually pretty easy and achieved with very few casualties (baring the somme).

Of course holding a trench when there is that much pre-sighted artillery sitting around is another matter.

Exactly look how many people didn't die during the Somme Offensive....

[Psychosplodge]

How many?
I thought tens of thousands fell to machine gun fire?

[Mr Mystery]

Most stood back up again.

[Psychosplodge]

But you died?


I got better...

like that ^

[DrLove42]

For the purposes of Trench warfare, I must always refer back to the great historic documentary on the subject

Blackadder Goes Forth.

[Psychosplodge]

Sitting around for a series, followed by death?

Bang on

[daboarder]

The somme is the exception for a number of reasons.

The front was too wide for the number of artillery pieces so the barrage was not sufficiently heavy to cut the wire.

The German fortifications were partially concrete where the attack was launched and so the troops just got out of their dugouts and onto the machine guns in a matter of minutes.

Some idiot (Haig) thought that attacking parallel to a German sally without ensuring its earlier destruction was a good idea, subjecting thousands to enfilading machine gun fire where one machine gun bullet could hit multiple men.

It was the first major british offensive using the "chums battalions" therefore the men were trained to basically just walk forward in a line, exacerbating that enfilading machine gun fire.

And finally the weather decided to be bad and Haig was to stubborn to admit the plan would never work in the mud and refused to call the offensive off.

Total british numbers by the end were about half a million men, with 50,000 of those casualties occuring on the first day.

/serious

[Psychosplodge]

And yet the imperial guard still employs that as a tactic, when will they learn?

[DrLove42]

The Somme is worse than that though. We spent three months bombarding the germans, and barely hit them

We then stopped just in time for the offensive ("Even we aren't crazy enough to kill our own men, we think it far more sporting to let the Germans do it instead" - E. Blackadder, 1917) to let them know it was safe to get out their bunkers and that we were coming.

It was also the debut of the British Tank. Most of which broke down or got stuck in the mud.

[daboarder]

The Somme is worse than that though. We spent three months bombarding the germans, and barely hit them

We then stopped just in time for the offensive ("Even we aren't crazy enough to kill our own men, we think it far more sporting to let the Germans do it instead" - E. Blackadder, 1917) to let them know it was safe to get out their bunkers and that we were coming.

It was also the debut of the British Tank. Most of which broke down or got stuck in the mud.

Wasn't so much that they didn't hit anything, its was that they only dropped 30 tons of explosive per mile of front.

And just to clarify the bombardment was a week of steady bombardment not months. Oh and the tanks worked amazingly, they just weren't supported worth a damn. and when they did break down were sitting in the middle of no-where. Haig should have been ready to capitalize on the Shock and awe factor given by the first ever use of crush and grind armour in the world. But he was a cavalry man to the heart with disdain for modern military technology.

[eldargal]

Anyway, I really like this terrain. It looks like multiple sets will go together quite nicely and I wouldn't be surprised if we see smaller sets of specific bits in the future. Painting it might not be too fun though, unless all the dead IG are optional rather than moulded on. Not holding out too much hope of that.

[DrLove42]

I agree it looks good. Trench systems are hard to do in 40k, but these seem to solve it.

lets just hope its not a WD addition of "Guard only" fortifications

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I freaking love it! Armies on Parade is sorted for me now!

[daboarder]

I agree it looks good. Trench systems are hard to do in 40k, but these seem to solve it.

lets just hope its not a WD addition of "Guard only" fortifications

You mean everyone except Tyranids right?

[Mr Mystery]

I really rather like these. Nice and chunky, and certainly look like not only can they take a beating, but they are already have!

I could do an awesome 'trench' network with these, with a frontline (where the scarabs go) of Aegis Defences.

Colour me impressed! I love GW scenery!

[magickbk]

Painting it might not be too fun though, unless all the dead IG are optional rather than moulded on. Not holding out too much hope of that.

Could always cover the guardsmen in thick layers/clumps of sand and paint it like mud kicked up against the edges of the walls by bombardment.

[Herzlos]

I do like these and will probably get them, but the price tag scares me so I hope they won't be direct only like the other scenery bundles are.

[Wolfshade]

You could always chopp them off and rebuild the parts with plasticard. Though if you are doing that you might want to just replace the whole lot. I personally hope that those injured peoples are optional extras so I can model my own dead if I want. Or maybe have different ones for whom I'm playing.

[Mr.Pickelz]

One thing I'm lookin at is how to Orkify them in such a manner that is suiting, such as Kannons and/or big shoota's in the bunker, with lots o shoota boyz on them walls, with loota's spread out, and then a green tide in wait behind the wall, for the counter attack.

[Mr.Pickelz]

Just curious if anyone else may be able to deduce, but it doesn't look like you could fit more than one terminator base model at a time in the trench, meaning you would have a line of terminators (perfectly set up for a flamer template or two). Can anyone else see this, or am i just misjudging the size of those trenches?

[ChacoStylez]

I see these working out perfectly for a Death Korp of Krieg army, will make them that much more fluffy. As for the casualties, as they said in 300, suitable mortar for a defensive wall!

[BatMarine]

Just curious if anyone else may be able to deduce, but it doesn't look like you could fit more than one terminator base model at a time in the trench, meaning you would have a line of terminators (perfectly set up for a flamer template or two). Can anyone else see this, or am i just misjudging the size of those trenches?

What flamer are you worried about exactly? Breath of Chaos is now a Daemon or luck/warpcharge2 thing...

[inquisitorsog]

Just curious if anyone else may be able to deduce, but it doesn't look like you could fit more than one terminator base model at a time in the trench, meaning you would have a line of terminators (perfectly set up for a flamer template or two). Can anyone else see this, or am i just misjudging the size of those trenches?

If the "trench" is too big, you're inviting MCs to the party and/or driving vehicles down them. Trenches SHOULD force models into single file IMO. If that means some weapons become more effective, so be it. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the trench! (even I'm groaning at how bad that pun was).

Anyway, if this really is a new product, I'm a little sad they made this so specific. Not only imperial, but apparently Cadian. I guess the rest will have to rely on desecrated terrain for a bit longer then.

[Kirsten]

trenches look sexy, definitely need some of those. dont think I will assemble them upside down though.

[Iceman]

In WW1 taking an enemy trench was actually pretty easy and achieved with very few casualties (baring the somme).



You must be talking about enemy trenches that were not defended with machine guns. That's where the casualties came from. My study of WWI history made it pretty clear to me that trenches were a way of holding onto ground without getting wiped out by machine guns and artillery. Anytime there was a major offensive (including the Somme) casualties went through the roof because the General officers couldn't get it through their heads that advancing across open ground against a prepared position is suicidal. They were still stuck with the thinking that no defense could hold up against a determined offense. That used to work with muzzle-loading rifles.

[daboarder]

You must be talking about enemy trenches that were not defended with machine guns. That's where the casualties came from. My study of WWI history made it pretty clear to me that trenches were a way of holding onto ground without getting wiped out by machine guns and artillery. Anytime there was a major offensive (including the Somme) casualties went through the roof because the General officers couldn't get it through their heads that advancing across open ground against a prepared position is suicidal. They were still stuck with the thinking that no defense could hold up against a determined offense. That used to work with muzzle-loading rifles.


yeah not so much, roughly 90% give or take a few, of combat casualties were caused by shellfire. Where talking about instances where is was not inconceivable for every square inch of earth to be hit by multiple shells within a week.

I'll get you the references in a few hours when I get home, but like I said, mud, wire, and the machine gun being the most deadly things in WW1 is a common misconception.

essentially you "took" an enemy trench by bombarding it to hell and back, walking across the scattered mess that was left and then trying to survive in the ditch that was left when the enemies super accurate artillery opened up with its return fire. not to mention that much of the counter-battery fire was ineffective due to distance and the fact that the majority of enemy pieces were out of range of their counterparts.

a good highlight of what I am talking about is this.

10% of an attacking force was expected to be killed by their own shellfire falling short.

[Wildeybeast]

It's hard to tell how good these look when they are upside down. I think you need your comp looking at EG. Glad to see them doing some new stuff though.

[inquisitorsog]

yeah not so much, roughly 90% give or take a few, of combat casualties were caused by shellfire. Where talking about instances where is was not inconceivable for every square inch of earth to be hit by multiple shells within a week.

I'll get you the references in a few hours when I get home, but like I said, mud, wire, and the machine gun being the most deadly things in WW1 is a common misconception.

essentially you "took" an enemy trench by bombarding it to hell and back, walking across the scattered mess that was left and then trying to survive in the ditch that was left when the enemies super accurate artillery opened up with its return fire. not to mention that much of the counter-battery fire was ineffective due to distance and the fact that the majority of enemy pieces were out of range of their counterparts.

I think it also depended on WHEN you're talking about. All sides came quickly to the conclusion that assaulting against machine guns was too deadly so they would shell the other side specifically to get the machine gunners to head into their dugouts. then the troops would dash across no man's land as soon as the barrage lifted and before the enemy realized the barrage was over.

At the Battle of Nek in Galipoli, they muffed the timing and the Turkish gunners got back to their guns before the assault, leading to horrific casualties from MGs and small arms.

[Popsical]

It doesnt matter which you fire at these trench's, with the lack of gravity in this new zero G 40k trajectories and cross winds and the like are all irrelevant anyway. Indirect fire will be pointless also due to lack of drop off. Maybe its an expansion to the FW boarding action rules?

[Wildeybeast]

I think it also depended on WHEN you're talking about. All sides came quickly to the conclusion that assaulting against machine guns was too deadly so they would shell the other side specifically to get the machine gunners to head into their dugouts. then the troops would dash across no man's land as soon as the barrage lifted and before the enemy realized the barrage was over.

At the Battle of Nek in Galipoli, they muffed the timing and the Turkish gunners got back to their guns before the assault, leading to horrific casualties from MGs and small arms.

The downside of that plan being that, short of sounding massive horn to warn them, there's no clearer sign to the enemy of your intentions than the cessation of a barrage.

[inquisitorsog]

The downside of that plan being that, short of sounding massive horn to warn them, there's no clearer sign to the enemy of your intentions than the cessation of a barrage.

Hence the whole "Synchronize your watches" bit you see in old war films. The infantry had to be heading across no man's land very nearly as soon as the barrage lifted. The other side doesn't want to poke their heads out until they are SURE the barrage is over, so you exploit that small interval by making sure your grunts know exactly when your big guns will stop.

Unfortunately, something that's awfully hard to fairly recreate on the table top.

[daboarder]

At the Battle of Nek in Galipoli, they muffed the timing and the Turkish gunners got back to their guns before the assault, leading to horrific casualties from MGs and small arms.

As with most things relating the Dardanelles campaign the Nek is an event with its own specific circumstances.

For instance the use of a naval barrage instead of a artillery one meant that as was the case earlier in that same campaign the barrage was directed horizontally toward the trenches rather than the required parabolic leaving the trenches largely untouched as shells exploded primarily against the ground.

Not to mention there was only about 50 m or so of ground between the trenches and the whole bloody thing was covered by a significant number of machine guns. and while I cant find the reference at the moment I believe it was around 5 covering a 100 m or so section of trench.


Hence the whole "Synchronize your watches" bit you see in old war films. The infantry had to be heading across no man's land very nearly as soon as the barrage lifted. The other side doesn't want to poke their heads out until they are SURE the barrage is over, so you exploit that small interval by making sure your grunts know exactly when your big guns will stop.


eh WW1 artillery was never that accurate in its employment, it was more about simply erasing the enemy trench and cutting the wire than actually suppressing them.

[Wildeybeast]

Hence the whole "Synchronize your watches" bit you see in old war films. The infantry had to be heading across no man's land very nearly as soon as the barrage lifted. The other side doesn't want to poke their heads out until they are SURE the barrage is over, so you exploit that small interval by making sure your grunts know exactly when your big guns will stop.

So a smart enemy would have their artillery pointing at No Man's Land and ready to go as soon as the other side's barrage stopped?

[daboarder]

So a smart enemy would have their artillery pointing at No Man's Land and ready to go as soon as the other side's barrage stopped?

pretty much, and considering that they new EXACTLY where their own trenches were such return fire would be far more accurate and effective.

like I said, easy to take, impossible to hold.

[inquisitorsog]

So a smart enemy would have their artillery pointing at No Man's Land and ready to go as soon as the other side's barrage stopped?
It is indeed a bit of a dance.
Or as Daboarder has been saying, just sights in on his own trenches figuring you'll take them. You'll be there longer, so he'll get maximum effect.

The main thing was to try to concentrate your guns so that you'd have more shell weight thrown than the other side when you were on the offensive. The idea of both sides having same amount of points to spend on their army was a little lost on them :eek:

[Wildeybeast]

pretty much, and considering that they new EXACTLY where their own trenches were such return fire would be far more accurate and effective.

like I said, easy to take, impossible to hold.

Hence the Blackadder line about 'even our generals aren't mad enough to shell their own men. They consider it much more sporting to let the Germans do that.'

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I need more cash. STAT

[eldargal]

It's hard to tell how good these look when they are upside down. I think you need your comp looking at EG. Glad to see them doing some new stuff though.

Photobucket and my PC show them the right way up, it's your PCs that have issues! /tableflipragequit

:p

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I'm not using a computer! :p

[eldargal]

Well it's all your things that have issues.:p

[DrLove42]

/tableflipragequit



Theres your problem. Your computer is upside down, so its showing normally...

[daboarder]

Theres your problem. Your computer is upside down, so its showing normally...


I'm with eldargal they are the right way up.....then again I am in oz.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

EG, permanently in denial. :p

[Psychosplodge]

Is this a browser issue?

[DrLove42]

A little more info on these from Warseer and Faeit 212


via Kurl Veranek, and others over on Warseer
You get 3 defense lines, 2 encampments and 1 bunker, plus a bunch of barricades. It has special sections for heavy weapons teams. It looked quite extensive. the official name is apparently is the 'Wall of Martyrs'. 130€ for the bundle btw

Also.....http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-02C48W3Y5bw/UIjNvX5A_NI/AAAAAAAAM78/WA6eFx_PYAM/s400/Scan122980003_zps82ca7add+(1).jpg

Is this upside down for you EG?

[Psychosplodge]

So that's what it looks like.

[eldargal]

No, it is also right way up.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

This thing is completely awesome. Any word on if it's limited release or going to be a fixture? I've got plans to start building up my terrain collection, but not right now (when I have more room for maybe my own gaming table or somesuch). I'd love to have this, but it makes no sense for me now.

[Defenestratus]

What flamer are you worried about exactly? Breath of Chaos is now a Daemon or luck/warpcharge2 thing...

Warp Hunter Aether Rift.

It pretty much eats anything it touches.


No, it is also right way up.

I see it right ways up as well.

[jifel]

A little more info on these from Warseer and Faeit 212

"via Kurl Veranek, and others over on Warseer
You get 3 defense lines, 2 encampments and 1 bunker, plus a bunch of barricades. It has special sections for heavy weapons teams. It looked quite extensive. the official name is apparently is the 'Wall of Martyrs'. 130€ for the bundle btw"

Also.... (pic)

Is this upside down for you EG?

Ok, so it seems to be a massive terrain deal, with way too much "old" terrain in it... is this going to be available seperately? Because I do not need 3 Aegis Lines!

EDIT: Unless "defense lines" and 'bunkers" refer to parts of the terrain, not the Aegis/Bastion...

[eldargal]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-JzcF8P0h6R8/UImc8B_AWsI/AAAAAAAAD8A/kKWmX_L6I5Y/s1600/DSC_0243.JPG

[inquisitorsog]

By way of comparison, the "Imperial Strongpoint" is 3 Aegis lines and two bastions for 135 USD.
I'm guessing the "encampments" are the trench ends and the bunkers are what we see front and center? Seems like even though the net area covered may end up roughly the same, it could be more sprues, so the cost makes sense (by GW standards).

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

It's the right way up, success!!

[eldargal]

These are much more detailed than the Aegis and Bastion kits by the look of it.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I'm going to be buying this at some point for Armies on Parade.

[inquisitorsog]

I'm just hoping it's easy to deal with the excessive Imperial iconography. Da boyz could use a home base.

[eldargal]

Also if you work it out on terms of area covered I think it will be much greater than the Imperial Strongpoint kit. I mean a bastion is, what, 6x6 inches roughly?

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Yeah, I think so...

Sounds about right.

[Wildeybeast]

TDA, have you caught EG's insomnia?

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I get up at 5.45 every weekday to go to work...

[Psychosplodge]

There's more than one 5:45 in a day?

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Surprisingly...

[Psychosplodge]

What's it like?

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Dark and cold.

However, I do have an interesting woman to talk to at that time in the morning. :D

[olberon]

had a sneak peak at my local dealer yesterday of the defense line and i have to say i really love it! not sure if im going to spend 140 on a piece of terrain tho

[Mr Mystery]

Imagine that, surrounding this....(yes I went mental)

[inquisitorsog]

Imagine that, surrounding this....(yes I went mental)

How do you put upside down trenches around a sideways tower?

[Mr Mystery]

Well, it's a trade secret, but I can reveal you require a nailgun, 23 squirrels, and some ordinary household bleach....

[walrusman999]

Imagine that, surrounding this....(yes I went mental)

I Want one for Apoc games :D

[Psychosplodge]

Well, it's a trade secret, but I can reveal you require a nailgun, 23 squirrels, and some ordinary household bleach....

What do the squirrels do?

[Gir]

WoC just went up for preorder, but this didn't, which make me sad :(

[Absolon]

need I say anything else

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc337/deathstrike01/wallofmaryters.jpg

[Gir]

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/264/200/acb.jpg

Also, comes out on the 17th.

[eldargal]

I hope it is fairly modular so you can change the layout with ease.

[White Tiger88]

I hope it is fairly modular so you can change the layout with ease.

Me too.....my Death Korps siege list + this set = LOL BRING IT ON

[Uncle Nutsy]

was anyone else reminded of Normandy from Saving Private Ryan when they saw that?

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Yep. I'm having flashbacks!

Wow, that's going to look tasty with Dark Angels in it.

[Mr Mystery]

Bah! It's while stocks last. Need to find £100.....

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff!!!!

[Mr Mystery]

My thoughts precisely :(

Though hopefully it will take a bit so sell through!

[Kirsten]

my interpretation is that that is a bundle deal available for a limited time, then it will be in smaller sets afterwards

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

My thoughts too.

[Kirsten]

I love those pillboxes, I hope they make those available seperately, I would buy loads

[eldargal]

My brothers are planning an 8x4 trench warfare board using these. I for one amd planning a fortified reliquary building for my hypothetical SoB army. This is my favourite 40k terrain kit yet.

[Mr Mystery]

I'm a little worried at the angles the trenches extend at. I hope you have a 90 degree option.

[Kirsten]

yeah that would be my only concern really too, having recently used a fortress of redemption, they do actually limit your field of fire quite a bit because of the shape

[Gir]

Based on the description "3 defense lines, 3 emplacements & 1 bunker", I expect the seprate kits to be as such:

http://i.imgur.com/Ja7P9.jpg

Defense lines:4 red
Emplacements: 2 Greens & 2 Blues
Bunker: Yellow

[eldargal]

Also note the 90 degree angle in the centre, if the thing is as modular as it seems it should be easy enough to make them all 90 degrees.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

WINNING!

Full of win.

[YourSwordisMine]

WINNING!

Full of win.

But is it full of Tiger blood as well?

[Mr Mystery]

Who cares? It's a sexy bit of kit!

My battlefield is going to look sooooo damned cool!

[eldargal]

From Warseer, from someone with the WD:


For the people asking, I'll describe the bits not obvious in the pics;
Bunker roof comes off so you can place models inside the ground level. The ground level firing point is correct height for IG heavy weapons teams to shoot out of (er, except mortar teams...). Roof appears to have some sort of hatch for moving between levels.
The weapon emplacements are basically a widened trench section (which can also act as a junction), big enough for a dreadnought sized base and with an ornate firing point. The article says you get three but at least some of the the photos have 4. Including the box cover.
Defence lines are wide enough to place large (IG heavy weapon team size) bases in. Everything else is wider.
Totally modular and comes with a bunch (12?) of end pieces so you can build it in any configuration you choose. Or stick them on the emplacements to create standalone fox holes.

No mention of special rules or points, but fairly sure the BRB supplies enough generic building rules to use it however you choose. Although it might be difficult to 'buy' it in your fortification slot without house ruling what counts as what (I can't see the bunker counting as a bastion, you'd be short of 4 built-in heavy bolters for a start...).
So, fully modular, hurray!

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I could've told you that... :p

[eldargal]

Yes but this is from someone who actually knows.:p

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

(I have the WD)

[Cap'nSmurfs]

Need.

[musical-fool]

There have been people saying that the individual pieces (Bunker, Weapon emplacements, etc.) may be available seperately in the near future. Anyone else heard as much?

[aleyland]

Those are fantastic, and I imagine most definitely they'll be releasing them in smaller units than just the full set. That'd be fantastic for really customized fortifications.. Makes me almost regret getting some of the Krieg ones from FW that I never managed to do anything with. :)

[inquisitorsog]

Any word on when this drops? I'm in the process of getting ready to become prepared to plan to build a full sized home table in the basement and am looking to pick up additional terrain. I may hold off if this is coming this month, otherwise, getting the bastion and lines kit.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

In the UK at least, it's available from November 17th.

[inquisitorsog]

Great, thanks. That's perfect.